A Cultural Battle Within MAGA: Musk and Ramaswamy Clash with Hard Right Over Immigration

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The MAGA movement, long championing an "America First" ethos, is experiencing internal fractures as a heated debate over the H-1B visa program exposes ideological divides within its ranks. The visa program, which allows U.S. companies to hire highly skilled foreign workers, has become a lightning rod for controversy, sparking fierce online battles and revealing deeper cultural tensions.  

 

At the center of the storm is Vivek Ramaswamy, a former GOP presidential candidate and a Trump appointee recently named co-chief of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Ramaswamy's vocal defense of the H-1B program has drawn sharp criticism from MAGA loyalists, Republican leaders, and conservative influencers alike. His controversial remarks on X highlighted what he sees as a cultural issue, arguing that America's emphasis on mediocrity over excellence hinders its ability to produce top talent.  

 

"The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over 'native' Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation)," Ramaswamy wrote. "A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH: Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long."  

 

Ramaswamy’s critique extended to cultural priorities, citing '90s sitcoms as emblematic of a broader societal shift. "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian... will not produce the best engineers," he added. "If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve."  

 

While his remarks resonated with some, they ignited a backlash among MAGA supporters. Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley dismissed Ramaswamy's assessment, stating, "There is nothing wrong with American workers or American culture. All you have to do is look at the border and see how many want what we have. We should be investing and prioritizing in Americans, not foreign workers."  

 

Right-wing commentator Mike Cernovich criticized Ramaswamy’s views as dismissive of America's legacy of innovation, pointing to historical achievements like the moon landing. "Underlying your post is that we were all living in squalor until being rescued by H-1Bs. Then why did everyone want to come here?"  

 

MAGA influencers like Jack Posobiec and Laura Loomer also voiced their opposition. Posobiec questioned the prioritization of foreign talent over developing domestic expertise, while Loomer linked the H-1B program to fears of cultural erosion, invoking the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory.  

 

Adding to the debate, Elon Musk and White House AI czar David Sacks defended limited reforms to the immigration system. Sacks highlighted inequities in green card allocation, where applicants from India face an 11-year wait while others face no delays. Musk called the argument "sensible," aligning himself with the tech industry’s call for skilled labor reforms.  

 

The clash reveals growing tensions within Trump’s coalition. While his first term saw significant cuts to the H-1B program, his current stance remains unclear. Critics warn that limiting skilled immigration could harm U.S. competitiveness in technology and healthcare, while MAGA supporters argue that stricter limits would force companies to invest in training American workers.  

 

As Trump prepares to take office for a second term, the debate over immigration and cultural values underscores broader anxieties about the direction of his administration and the evolving priorities of the MAGA movement.  

 

Based on a report by the Daily Mail 2024-12-28

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Pump up the racism and xenophobia genie to gain support and win an election and then face the difficult problem of putting the genie back in the box.

 

 "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian... will not produce the best engineers,"

 

Ramaswamy is on this point entirely correct.

 

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

Right-wing commentator Mike Cernovich criticized Ramaswamy’s views as dismissive of America's legacy of innovation, pointing to historical achievements like the moon landing

 

Somebody tell Cernovich the bit immigrants played in the whole space program. Getting it off the ground even.

 

[HappyExpat57]

What? Are you saying they didn't think this through to its logical conclusion?!?

Perish the thought!

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

Right-wing commentator Mike Cernovich criticized Ramaswamy’s views as dismissive of America's legacy of innovation, pointing to historical achievements like the moon landing.

That was in the 60s. Since then woke has won and US schools IMO produce mediocre results. No kids want to be a mathematician now, aspiring to be in "media".

 

Why would a kid want to be brainy when that isn't "cool" and a guy that kicks a ball earns millions.

Besides, things like hard work and achievement are foreign concepts to a generation that actually believes the sky is falling and that a boy can be a girl, if he get's his cut off.

 

Nothing unique to the US though. most western countries do not value intelligence- when their parliaments are full of idiots why work hard at school? Just get a job in the government and be set for life.

 

China is succeeding by rewarding excellence in education.

Even Chinese in western countries outstrip locals as they did the hard work of study while local kids were looking at porn in their room or out ram raiding stores.

[impulse]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why would a kid want to be brainy when that isn't "cool" and a guy that kicks a ball earns millions.

Besides, things like hard work and achievement are foreign concepts to a generation that actually believes the sky is falling and that a boy can be a girl, if he get's his cut off.

 

What they also miss is that there's only one quarterback in a city of millions where there are thousands of high paid engineers. And even more thousands of former wannabe QB's with crushed dreams and huge beer bellies.  The Al Bundy demographic.

 

[AndreasHG]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

China is succeeding by rewarding excellence in education.

 

China has stopped rewarding excellence in education a long time ago. Ideological conformity is what is rewarded nowadays in China.

And the price will become evident only in the years to come as one of the legacies of Xi Jinping's ruling.

 

Xi Jinping’s Ideologization of the Chinese Academy  – The Diplomat - https://thediplomat.com/2024/06/xi-jinpings-ideologization-of-the-chinese-academy/

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That was in the 60s. Since then woke has won and US schools IMO produce mediocre results. No kids want to be a mathematician now, aspiring to be in "media".

 

Why would a kid want to be brainy when that isn't "cool" and a guy that kicks a ball earns millions.

Besides, things like hard work and achievement are foreign concepts to a generation that actually believes the sky is falling and that a boy can be a girl, if he get's his cut off.

 

Nothing unique to the US though. most western countries do not value intelligence- when their parliaments are full of idiots why work hard at school? Just get a job in the government and be set for life.

 

China is succeeding by rewarding excellence in education.

Even Chinese in western countries outstrip locals as they did the hard work of study while local kids were looking at porn in their room or out ram raiding stores.

“That was in the 60s. Since then woke has won and US schools IMO produce mediocre results. No kids want to be a mathematician now, aspiring to be in "media".”

 

Ramaswamy points the finger at something that is the antithesis of ‘woke’.

 

Refer OP.

[Caldera]

Being against an invasion by hordes of self-selected uneducated immigrants is one thing.

 

Being against inviting select highly skilled foreigners to come to work in the U.S. is another thing entirely, it is just plain stupid.

 

That certain right-wing nutters don't get the distinction doesn't really surprise me; they need to - and will be - reined in in due course.

[Red Forever]

Oh dear, the cracks are showing before the clown show begins. Even the dwindling number of MAGAs on here are slowly coming around to see they’ve been played.

My bet that Trump won’t last the term looks safer by the day.

[HappyExpat57]

7 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Oh dear, the cracks are showing before the clown show begins. Even the dwindling number of MAGAs on here are slowly coming around to see they’ve been played.

My bet that Trump won’t last the term looks safer by the day.

 

[stevenl]

59 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Oh dear, the cracks are showing before the clown show begins. Even the dwindling number of MAGAs on here are slowly coming around to see they’ve been played.

My bet that Trump won’t last the term looks safer by the day.

No worries, trump will give in. I wonder who still believes trump is running the show after the debacle with the debt ceiling increase where trump and the GOP gave in to Musks's interests, and here trump again giving in to Musk's interests.

[Yagoda]

Its called healthy debate. In contrast, examine the issue of MPTBWs (Men Pretending to be Women) in Womens sports in the Democratic party.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Its called healthy debate. In contrast, examine the issue of MPTBWs (Men Pretending to be Women) in Womens sports in the Democratic party.

Thank you for your excellent demonstration of the reactive use of whataboutary.