Spanish student dies after being attacked by elephant in Thailand

[ryandb]

On 1/6/2025 at 1:33 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Why should I have to do a Google search to verify your implausible assertion it is "unethical to bathe with elephants"...you're the one who needs to justify your claim!   Elephants have strong ethical standards, now, do they?

In equal terms why do I have to prove anything to you, 

[snoop1130]

Mahout charged for elephant goring Spanish woman in Thailand

By Bob Scott

 

Blanca Ojanguren García picture courtesy of Pinoalbar Development School and Sky News

 

Police in Thailand have charged the mahout responsible for the elephant that gored a Spanish woman to death last week in Koh Yao.

 

Full story: https://aseannow.com/topic/1348285-mahout-charged-for-elephant-goring-spanish-woman-in-thailand/

 

[MikeandDow]

This will be hushed up, Bad for business  and thats all Thais care about money !!!!

[Sig]

On 1/5/2025 at 10:51 PM, TTSIssues said:

Bit harsh with all the development going on and losing their natural habitat? 

Yes, I was being a bit facetious because the person was going on about how terrible it would be to cull them. Yeah, it would seem horrible, but if you let nature take its way, it seems even worse. So, I don't think culling should be out of the question because these stupid sanctuaries are out of control. Bring them to a sustainable level, whether by culling or allowing present animals in sanctuaries stay there until they die, but no additions unless for life saving (Don't let them breed in captivity!!! omg how stupid) and if culling is needed, well... maybe that's better than them suffering and starving. Culling or sell super expensive permits to hunt to bring levels to a sustainable place. And illegal killing should have massive penalties. But... we're talking Thailand... so I don't know if it's hardly even worth expert's time to try coming up with a sustainable plan. It will inevitably be a tragedy and some politicians and forestry officials/police/rangers will just get rich off of it. But I think a great first step would be to disallow sanctuaries to breed. That is insane.

[MikeandDow]

35 minutes ago, Sig said:

Yes, I was being a bit facetious because the person was going on about how terrible it would be to cull them. Yeah, it would seem horrible, but if you let nature take its way, it seems even worse. So, I don't think culling should be out of the question because these stupid sanctuaries are out of control. Bring them to a sustainable level, whether by culling or allowing present animals in sanctuaries stay there until they die, but no additions unless for life saving (Don't let them breed in captivity!!! omg how stupid) and if culling is needed, well... maybe that's better than them suffering and starving. Culling or sell super expensive permits to hunt to bring levels to a sustainable place. And illegal killing should have massive penalties. But... we're talking Thailand... so I don't know if it's hardly even worth expert's time to try coming up with a sustainable plan. It will inevitably be a tragedy and some politicians and forestry officials/police/rangers will just get rich off of it. But I think a great first step would be to disallow sanctuaries to breed. That is insane.

Why are you rambling on about something you clearly dont know anything about  Elephants are an endangered species ,so you want to cull an endangered species good luck with that

read this may open you eyes https://www.worldanimalprotection.org/latest/blogs/thailand-elephants/

[LuckyLenny]

RIP. We humans have to stay away from elephants

[MikeandDow]

1 hour ago, LuckyLenny said:

RIP. We humans have to stay away from elephants

ill advice  we do not have to stay away from elephants, we have to as with any wild animals is to show  respect and stop the abuse, Elephant abuse is widespread in Thailand,

We can’t undo the cruel training they’ve experienced, but we can give them environments that fulfil their current needs and avoid traumatising them further.

Some venues are already making these changes. ChangChill transitioned from elephant rides and experiences to observation-only, Thailand is home to approximately 15% of the 52,000 Asian elephants currently living in the wild. Asian elephants are an endangered species, and between 3100 and 3600 can be found in 69 protected areas in Thailand

[Sig]

23 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Why are you rambling on about something you clearly dont know anything about  Elephants are an endangered species ,so you want to cull an endangered species good luck with that

read this may open you eyes https://www.worldanimalprotection.org/latest/blogs/thailand-elephants/

I don't need to read your article, especially when being produced in such a hostile manner.
You make a grand assumption instead of making any sort of genuine attempt at understanding.
Everyone who has the ability to read, probably knows Asian elephants are endangered. And Forest Elephants of Africa are even more so.
I made it crystal clear about my opinion of so-called sanctuaries for elephants in Thailand. For a number of years, I lived near one of these places (a well-known, fairly large one) and I am good friends with one of its managers. I've had plenty of discussions and know more than I care to know.
Presently, in Thailand, it appears that without these tourist attractions that lead to many abuses on the elephants, caring for and conserving these elephants in a sustainable manner isn't possible. But this kind of conservation leaves a LOT to be desired, to say the very least. There are programs in different parts of the world that have strict programs for allowing some culling of endangered animals, without the need of enslaving the animals. The proceeds go toward conservation efforts. There has been success with these programs (of course, some problems too, due to corruption) and I believe it would be a better alternative than the present disgusting model that maybe they could call a part of Thainess....
I won't assume you CLEARLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT numerous international culling programs of endangered species... but with the way you jumped off of your pedestal to come at me, it sort of appears to be the case.

[MikeandDow]

12 minutes ago, Sig said:

I don't need to read your article, especially when being produced in such a hostile manner.
You make a grand assumption instead of making any sort of genuine attempt at understanding.
Everyone who has the ability to read, probably knows Asian elephants are endangered. And Forest Elephants of Africa are even more so.
I made it crystal clear about my opinion of so-called sanctuaries for elephants in Thailand. For a number of years, I lived near one of these places (a well-known, fairly large one) and I am good friends with one of its managers. I've had plenty of discussions and know more than I care to know.
Presently, in Thailand, it appears that without these tourist attractions that lead to many abuses on the elephants, caring for and conserving these elephants in a sustainable manner isn't possible. But this kind of conservation leaves a LOT to be desired, to say the very least. There are programs in different parts of the world that have strict programs for allowing some culling of endangered animals, without the need of enslaving the animals. The proceeds go toward conservation efforts. There has been success with these programs (of course, some problems too, due to corruption) and I believe it would be a better alternative than the present disgusting model that maybe they could call a part of Thainess....
I won't assume you CLEARLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT numerous international culling programs of endangered species... but with the way you jumped off of your pedestal to come at me, it sort of appears to be the case.

please tell me 1 international culling programs of endangered species. (because there are none)

caring for and conserving these elephants in a sustainable manner isn't possible. why is this not possible or do you think buying submarines are better

 

[Sig]

10 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

please tell me 1 international culling programs of endangered species. (because there are none)

caring for and conserving these elephants in a sustainable manner isn't possible. why is this not possible or do you think buying submarines are better

 

You really don't know, do you? Yet you think you know so much and accuse others of being ignorant. I suggest not being so arrogant about things that you don't have actual knowledge about. It makes you look incredibly foolish.

I've been aware of these sorts of programs since the 1980's, but you've never heard of them to this day!? Where on earth do you live? No newspapers or other sorts of media outlets there?

Often, I'd say - Google is your friend. But you don't seem to care about educating yourself to even bother doing some simple Google or AI Chat searches, since you seem to think you already know everything. So, I'll give you a couple of links.

This organization will help you find hunts in over 20 countries, some connected to exactly these sorts of programs. Here is a little post on their site about conservation of endangered animals in connection with trophy hunting. https://www.findahunt.com/conservation-success-stories-how-hunting-has-helped-save-big-game-species

You'll find this video, below, much more informative. I won't give you links of videos of actual hunts. Personally, I really dislike these hunts or recreational hunting in general. It is gut wrenching seeing a big old bull elephant getting shot for its tusks, even if it does help the local communities and conservation efforts. But this is "video", with no video, just a still photo with an informative dialog.
I hope you take this as an opportunity to rethink how you judge issues that you actually don't know much of anything about and take a minuscule amount of time to educate yourself before making foolish statements or decisions. It's people who do this sort of thing who are the very reason we have such catastrophic effects in how they cast their votes after being swayed by nonsense in the so-called reporting of so-called news media and entertainment, jam-packed with misinformation/lies/propaganda and they don't do their own research to see what the opposing view is ACTUALLY saying and ACTUALLY doing, whether it's about wildlife or about economics.

By the way, there are more programs in different countries around the world with various animals. This is just a very small sample to get you started.
 

 

[MikeandDow]

5 hours ago, Sig said:

You really don't know, do you? Yet you think you know so much and accuse others of being ignorant. I suggest not being so arrogant about things that you don't have actual knowledge about. It makes you look incredibly foolish.

I've been aware of these sorts of programs since the 1980's, but you've never heard of them to this day!? Where on earth do you live? No newspapers or other sorts of media outlets there?

Often, I'd say - Google is your friend. But you don't seem to care about educating yourself to even bother doing some simple Google or AI Chat searches, since you seem to think you already know everything. So, I'll give you a couple of links.

This organization will help you find hunts in over 20 countries, some connected to exactly these sorts of programs. Here is a little post on their site about conservation of endangered animals in connection with trophy hunting. https://www.findahunt.com/conservation-success-stories-how-hunting-has-helped-save-big-game-species

You'll find this video, below, much more informative. I won't give you links of videos of actual hunts. Personally, I really dislike these hunts or recreational hunting in general. It is gut wrenching seeing a big old bull elephant getting shot for its tusks, even if it does help the local communities and conservation efforts. But this is "video", with no video, just a still photo with an informative dialog.
I hope you take this as an opportunity to rethink how you judge issues that you actually don't know much of anything about and take a minuscule amount of time to educate yourself before making foolish statements or decisions. It's people who do this sort of thing who are the very reason we have such catastrophic effects in how they cast their votes after being swayed by nonsense in the so-called reporting of so-called news media and entertainment, jam-packed with misinformation/lies/propaganda and they don't do their own research to see what the opposing view is ACTUALLY saying and ACTUALLY doing, whether it's about wildlife or about economics.

By the way, there are more programs in different countries around the world with various animals. This is just a very small sample to get you started.
 

 

Never answered the questions

international culling programs of endangered species. (because there are none)

caring for and conserving these elephants in a sustainable manner isn't possible. why is this not possible ??

 

you need to look up the defintion of culling  its is Not hunting Hunting is to sustain you. Culling is to sustain the herd

Most hunts are licened huts for single animals NOT multiple therefore NOT culling  go back to school!!

also in the civilised world Trophy hunting is Banned

Try to keep your rambling to a minumin you will have a brain bleed 

[CharlieH]

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