47 minutes ago, Marcous said:

People often accuse Truss of not being very bright and here she has just proved them right.

 

If anything, Musk IS the 'deep state'. An unelected billionaire elitist running the show from the shadows to benefit himself and his ilk. 

Deep state people start wars. The opposite of Musk.

22 minutes ago, Geir Rasch said:

She is obviously mentally retarded.

Explain this please

She's always been a nasty piece of work. She started off as a Liberal Democrat giving out Greta Thunberg vibes but was quick to abandon her principles and switch sides when the opportunity for power arose. She'll be in Reform soon. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Deep state people start wars. The opposite of Musk.

People who think this are in a deep state of delusion.  It’s commonly used by right-wing conspiracy theorists to describe what they see as an entrenched bureaucracy in the government that undermines and thwarts conservative policies. That Musk now has his hands on SM to expand conspiracy theories and lies is all the more alarming.
 

Just now, Hamus Yaigh said:

People who think this are in a deep state of delusion.  It’s commonly used by right-wing conspiracy theorists to describe what they see as an entrenched bureaucracy in the government that undermines and thwarts conservative policies. That Musk now has his hands on SM to expand conspiracy theories and lies is all the more alarming.
 

Not true at all. Many deep state people are on the right. Deep state is another term for military industrial complex ie war mongers.

8 hours ago, Purdey said:

Inviting a foreign government to spy on one's country is treason. Lock her in the Tower.

Spoken like a good Leftist.

30 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

She'll be in Reform soon. 

Reform are savvy enough not to touch her with a barge pole.

Go lettuce would be nice if she talked as much sense in her previous 49 days of national torture rather than destroy the pound and crash the stock market.

"Muskrats" gotta love that though!

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

haha, british deep state.

she's been reading david icke conspiracies? 

 

More likely someone has been reading them to her.

If she'd had spoken this strongly about subjects that people care about when she was in office she would have lasted more than 50 days.

8 hours ago, soalbundy said:

She's got big tits though.

So she is fully qualified to work in the porn industry, or as a stripper. 

Small brain and heart, big boobs, good for the sex industry, bad in politics. 

Some Milf clips located in a mock up of Downing Street 10 with an intruder overpowering her. 

She is definitely after a seat at the US table!

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Deep state people start wars. The opposite of Musk.

Erm…Panama, Denmark, Greenland and Canada not to mention labeling the democratically elected president of Ukraine a dictator!

Yet the MAGA morons paint we tree hugging, pinko lefties as the war mongers?

Just now, Red Forever said:

Erm…Panama, Denmark, Greenland and Canada not to mention labeling the democratically elected president of Ukraine a dictator!

Yet the MAGA morons paint we tree hugging, pinko lefties as the war mongers?

When did those wars happen? 

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

When did those wars happen?

2014. You really do lead a sheltered life.

17 hours ago, soalbundy said:

She's got big tits though.

You know, I was thinking that myself. A lovely pair. 

She couldn't speak more than one sentence without referring to the teleprompter.

She'susing  ridiculous language. "Woke" is as annoying as "Bloody PC". They mean the same thing. When some Yank came up with the term "Deep State", it was to sell a book. "Deep State" has always been around. Its called "The Establishment", which sounds less sexy to the conspiracy theory loons.

 

Maggie Thatcher recounted that the comedy show "Yes Minister", which showed how Sir Humphry Appleby, a Permanent Secretary (a senior civil servant) would constantly interfere in the actions of his minister, Jim Hacker, to carry out policy, sometimes to promote a civil service line, sometimes to avoid Hacker looking like a fool.

 

When Thatcher said it was accurate (but funny), the country's reaction wasn't of national outrage to root out the Humphrys, but a collective "thank f*** for that, someone sane is running the show" (ie. the civil service is reality kept the coiuntry ticking along, navigating that course of progress.

 

 

 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, PomPolo said:

She is definitely after a seat at the US table!

 

Hopefully the AI generated image was posted in jest.

British politics equiv of Marjorie Greene.

 

23 hours ago, digger70 said:

 

Nearly puked.

20 hours ago, RayC said:

It's quite sad to see someone try so hard to stay relevant and fail so miserably. 

 

What possessed the Tory MPs and members who thought that she was the right person to lead the country?

 

 

I'm a Party Member. No, my vote didn't go to her. As for those who voted for her, some of them  voted for  for reasons that were nothing to do with her policies, her gender or her looks.

 

Honestly, when the Conservative and Unionist Party introduced the membership vote in the 1990s, it was a constitutional disaster. We know the Labour Party had done it since the 1980s, and really, with only one exception (and as politicians go, irrespective of his policies, Blair was an exceptional politician with generally good instincts), it has been an utter electoral disaster for them (eg Corbyn); the current government is an example of a government losing an election, rather than the opposition winning it.

 

I already have a vote. Why should I get a second one because I pay £2.50 subs a week. Both parties now find themselves at the mervy of unelected activists. I hate people using the trash term "deep state"; its a moronic term, and anyone using it is a knuckle dragging unthinking moron who plays too many violent video games. "Establishment" is a perfectly good term without resorting to stupid dumbed down terms like "Deep State".

 

The Establishment ultimately draw a pension and retire. Activists are forever. No one literally knows who they are. Anyone, of any nationality, can join a British political party. Russians and Americans can join. Labour supporters can join the Conservative Party and vice versa. Data Protection Laws mean, unless I'm in the BNP, my name will never get out into the piblic domain. The Conservative membership is generally described as the blue rinse brigade. Well, thats who you see down the Connie Club on a sunday afternoon tucking into the carvery special with a half of Brown. But that is a tiny tiny fraction of the membership.

 

The membership get their chance to influence policy at conference, or through the local associations. They can select candidates for their area (to an extent). And lastly, joining the Party is your way of supporting the creed.

 

MPs are not elected to Parliament to represent the Party members. They represent their constituents, all of them. Whips ensure they vote with the government. The Prime Minister is First Among Equals, and only there at the pleasure of the MPs, who represent the people. The PM has to manage the Cabinet and usually 300 MPs. I want a PM who has the most support among their MPs, because to get things done, they need MP votes. the Votes of anonymous party members means jack.

 

The membership process is shonky; the ballots issued are ridiculous and the online voting security weak. And this vote decides who is PM. It should be the other way around, if they want members invlved; the membership to shortlist the candidates, MPs to take the final decision.

 

Its been used 3 times since 2019 to select a PM, and 4 times to select a Leader. From a party point of view, its been a disaster every time. And I include Boris. Everyone loved Boris. He's a laugh at Parties. But he's not leadership material. The system is wide open to foreign interference from Russia, China and the US.

 

The system has encouraged a generation of MPs who know no shame; as long as they can mobilise activists, they feel they have a place. In the past, sacked ministers would slink away to the back benches forever, or stand down, have a by election. Not now, its a badge of honour, a book title.

 

Its right that we don't have a general election if there is a change in Prime Minister. It goes back to First Among Equals. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for our MP, and we lend him or her our vote. But the system has been sorely abused by a degenerated Conservative Party. We will be back. Luckily we are facing a Labour Party with a mile wide majority that's an inch thick, which is managing to hang itself. But the Tories, with a full front bench, need to occupy the bylines rather than the buffoons at Reform UK. I'm not sure who will be leading the party at the next election; it won't be Kimi. With 2016 behind us, but the country likely to face external threats from expected and unexpected directions, I am expecting there is the opportunity for the cream to rise to the top

8 hours ago, nahkit said:

She couldn't speak more than one sentence without referring to the teleprompter.

Democrats should hire her then.

19 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Not true at all. Many deep state people are on the right. Deep state is another term for military industrial complex ie war mongers.

 

 

Deep State is a Turkish term, advanced by Islamists pushing against secular army officers who were worried about how Islamist Parties would ruin the vision of Ataturk's Republic.

 

So you don't understand the Establishment in the UK. The Establishment is often blamed for preventing the UK acting, eg the idea that the Falklands War was caused byn failures in the FCO, who didn't care much for far flung distant islands full of sheep. The establishment in the UK stops the UK from doing anything. Your version in Yankee Doodle Land as an establishment making your government do things it doesn't want to do (which is a highly convenient excuse).

 

Some mob in your country has picked up this Turkish term to invent an imaginery hidden internal enemy, when really the internal enemy  is incompetance.

 

The Bradley; perfect example of incompetance.  This is why your DoD has spaffed so much money up against the proverbial wall. The Military Industrial Complex is a made up term by politicians to hide their own incompetance. The whole GWOT was an utter ball ache for the defence industry, with the frequent UORs in play, and constantly shifting standards, and penny pinching. I worked in that industry. You be amazed how many want to go and do something else besides making things go bang (called diversification). When you supply the MOD and DoD, you find as a company, its really hard to make money with anyone else (export licences).

 

 

Obviously a comedy with a dose of poetic licence etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

21 hours ago, Marcous said:

People often accuse Truss of not being very bright and here she has just proved them right.

 

If anything, Musk IS the 'deep state'. An unelected billionaire elitist running the show from the shadows to benefit himself and his ilk. 

 

Here are the terms you need to use. "Deep State" is a right wingnut term,

 

21 hours ago, Digitalbanana said:

Utter tosh.

 

There is no credible evidence to support the conspiracy theory you spread that the "Deep State" was involved in Liz Truss's removal as Prime Minister. Her resignation was largely attributed to her own policy decisions, particularly the controversial mini-budget, which sparked widespread criticism and market turmoil. Financial markets, which reacted negatively to the mini-budget. Financial markets are not Deep State.

 

 

 

 

Yet Rachel from accounts remains in her position despite her fake CV and her budget for recession that is already shrinking the UK economy.

 

 

22 hours ago, JonnyF said:

She wasn't useless.

 

The deep state removed her.

 

Won't happen again.

 

Thanks Don/Elon/JD.

 

Thank God they selected DEI Harris. The greatest achievement of DEI was Trump 2025. 

You really are clueless in your efforts to support your extremist views (thankfully acknowledged by many with the laughing, sad and confused emoji's). As has been pointed out to you, Truss wasn't removed by the 'deep state' (whatever/whoever that bogeyman is). Her ridiculous 'mini-budget' spooked financial markets so much that her premiership was immediately untenable, resulting in the shortest tenure of any PM in UK history. Her 'shoot yourself in the foot' attempt to remove barriers on bankers bonuses and reducing business taxes was an absolute disaster in the middle of a cost of living crisis and her tone deaf approach of 'you're either with me or against me' showed that there were plenty against her.

She was useless. Completely and utterly useless and it's no surprise she is finding favour with the equally useless but so much more dangerous Trumps administration.
.

15 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You really are clueless in your efforts to support your extremist views (thankfully acknowledged by many with the laughing, sad and confused emoji's). As has been pointed out to you, Truss wasn't removed by the 'deep state' (whatever/whoever that bogeyman is). Her ridiculous 'mini-budget' spooked financial markets so much that her premiership was immediately untenable, resulting in the shortest tenure of any PM in UK history. Her 'shoot yourself in the foot' attempt to remove barriers on bankers bonuses and reducing business taxes was an absolute disaster in the middle of a cost of living crisis and her tone deaf approach of 'you're either with me or against me' showed that there were plenty against her.

She was useless. Completely and utterly useless and it's no surprise she is finding favour with the equally useless but so much more dangerous Trumps administration.
.

 

 

I think you put too much salt on those lies.

 

It's clear why she was removed. Just as it is clear why Rachel from accounts gets a free pass. 

 

Enjoy the next 4 years. Global politics is shifting to the right. Labour are the dying dog taking it's last breath. 

 

 

3 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

 

I'm a Party Member. No, my vote didn't go to her. As for those who voted for her, some of them  voted for  for reasons that were nothing to do with her policies, her gender or her looks.

 

Honestly, when the Conservative and Unionist Party introduced the membership vote in the 1990s, it was a constitutional disaster. We know the Labour Party had done it since the 1980s, and really, with only one exception (and as politicians go, irrespective of his policies, Blair was an exceptional politician with generally good instincts), it has been an utter electoral disaster for them (eg Corbyn); the current government is an example of a government losing an election, rather than the opposition winning it.

 

I already have a vote. Why should I get a second one because I pay £2.50 subs a week. Both parties now find themselves at the mervy of unelected activists. I hate people using the trash term "deep state"; its a moronic term, and anyone using it is a knuckle dragging unthinking moron who plays too many violent video games. "Establishment" is a perfectly good term without resorting to stupid dumbed down terms like "Deep State".

 

The Establishment ultimately draw a pension and retire. Activists are forever. No one literally knows who they are. Anyone, of any nationality, can join a British political party. Russians and Americans can join. Labour supporters can join the Conservative Party and vice versa. Data Protection Laws mean, unless I'm in the BNP, my name will never get out into the piblic domain. The Conservative membership is generally described as the blue rinse brigade. Well, thats who you see down the Connie Club on a sunday afternoon tucking into the carvery special with a half of Brown. But that is a tiny tiny fraction of the membership.

 

The membership get their chance to influence policy at conference, or through the local associations. They can select candidates for their area (to an extent). And lastly, joining the Party is your way of supporting the creed.

 

MPs are not elected to Parliament to represent the Party members. They represent their constituents, all of them. Whips ensure they vote with the government. The Prime Minister is First Among Equals, and only there at the pleasure of the MPs, who represent the people. The PM has to manage the Cabinet and usually 300 MPs. I want a PM who has the most support among their MPs, because to get things done, they need MP votes. the Votes of anonymous party members means jack.

 

The membership process is shonky; the ballots issued are ridiculous and the online voting security weak. And this vote decides who is PM. It should be the other way around, if they want members invlved; the membership to shortlist the candidates, MPs to take the final decision.

 

Its been used 3 times since 2019 to select a PM, and 4 times to select a Leader. From a party point of view, its been a disaster every time. And I include Boris. Everyone loved Boris. He's a laugh at Parties. But he's not leadership material. The system is wide open to foreign interference from Russia, China and the US.

 

The system has encouraged a generation of MPs who know no shame; as long as they can mobilise activists, they feel they have a place. In the past, sacked ministers would slink away to the back benches forever, or stand down, have a by election. Not now, its a badge of honour, a book title.

 

It’s right that we don't have a general election if there is a change in Prime Minister. It goes back to First Among Equals. We don't vote for a PM, we vote for our MP, and we lend him or her our vote. But the system has been sorely abused by a degenerated Conservative Party. We will be back. Luckily we are facing a Labour Party with a mile wide majority that's an inch thick, which is managing to hang itself. But the Tories, with a full front bench, need to occupy the bylines rather than the buffoons at Reform UK. I'm not sure who will be leading the party at the next election; it won't be Kimi. With 2016 behind us, but the country likely to face external threats from expected and unexpected directions, I am expecting there is the opportunity for the cream to rise to the top

I don’t agree with everything but overall a very good post.

 

I detest the Tories, but I’m the first to acknowledge their ability to win elections, they will be back and of course Badenoch will be gone first.

 

Reform UK are reliant on one man, Farage.

 

He won’t last. 
 

The Tories will be back, though I doubt in the next election.

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

 

I think you put too much salt on those lies.

 

It's clear why she was removed. Just as it is clear why Rachel from accounts gets a free pass. 

 

Enjoy the next 4 years. Global politics is shifting to the right. Labour are the dying dog taking it's last breath. 

 

 

And yet the economic news is heading in the right direction.

 

Those job losses haven’t appeared and consumer confidence is up.