US Revokes 300 Student Visas in Crackdown on Campus Protests

[NickyLouie]

2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

unlike many of the students who are being deported without being charged with any crime.

 

They violated their visa terms, it's conditional to stay in USA on a visa,  exactly the same as in TH.

 

 

[KireB]

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Stick to the subject and not whataboutery 

So, why don't you?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, KireB said:

So, why don't you?

 

   I have stuck to the topic 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, NickyLouie said:

 

They violated their visa terms, it's conditional to stay in USA on a visa,  exactly the same as in TH.No

 

 

 

Even foreigners on student visas are subject to the provisions of the US Constitution that guarantee free speech and due process. There are no conditions on student visas that state that the holder of the visa is not entitled to protection under the US Constitution.

[KireB]

Rubio has a good point of course, but his Gestapo-like behavior is stupid and disgraceful.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Even foreigners on student visas are subject to the provisions of the US Constitution that guarantee free speech and due process. There are no conditions on student visas that state that the holder of the visa is not entitled to protection under the US Constitution.

 

   Free speech doesn't give them the right to harass other students and to trespass on private property and to cause criminal damage 

[proton]

7 hours ago, WDSmart said:

 This is a violation of their First Amendment right to free speech. I understand that this part of the Constitution applies to everyone who is legally in the USA. I'm sure this will be challenged in court, and we'll see what happens then. 

 

Spreading hate, antisemitism, supporting Hamas and occupying Universities is not what a visa is given for, they all need to be kicked out.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Free speech doesn't give them the right to harass other students and to trespass on private property and to cause criminal damage 

 

No, freedom of speech does not extend to breaking the law.

 

But some of the students are being deported without being charged with breaking any law.

 

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

9 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Spreading hate, antisemitism, supporting Hamas and occupying Universities is not what a visa is given for, they all need to be kicked out.

 

If a foreigner on a student visa breaks the law, then charge them and if they are convicted, deport them.

 

The problem is that some foreign students are being deported without being charged with any crime and are thus deprived of their right to due process under the Constitution. You do support the US Constitution, don't you?

[NickyLouie]

16 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

 

But some of the students are being deported without being charged with breaking any law.

 

 

 

They are being deported for violating their visa which is conditional, what don't you understand about this ?

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

13 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Spreading hate, antisemitism, supporting Hamas and occupying Universities is not what a visa is given for, they all need to be kicked out.

 

Spreading hate? I can think of someone else who's a master of doing that and gets masses of Americans to buy into it.

 

Antisemitism? Some of those protesting are Arabs, who are themselves semites. Protesting against Israel's policies isn't anti-Jewish or hate speech. It's protected speech under the Constitution.

 

Supporting Hamas? Not illegal unless it contravenes one or more of the very prescriptive laws that define support for terrorist organizations. These laws criminalize specific actions, not speech. I haven't seen any of the students charged with contravening any of those statutes.

 

Occupying universities? Universities can expel students for prohibited conduct and can charge outsiders with trespass. Expulsion would cancel a student visa, but a misdemeanor trespass may not always be enough to get a foreigner deported.

 

But again, some of the students are bing deported without being charged with any crime.

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

No, freedom of speech does not extend to breaking the law.

 

But some of the students are being deported without being charged with breaking any law.

 

 

 

 

Do they need to be charged to have their visas revoked ?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, NickyLouie said:

 

They being deported for violating their visa, what don't you understand about this ?

 

 

What specific condition in their visa are they being charged with violating?

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Antisemitism? Some of those protesting are Arabs, who are themselves semites. Protesting against Israel's policies isn't anti-Jewish or hate speech. It's protected speech under the Constitution.

 

 

   There anti semitic behaviour was harassing Jewish students , American Jewish students .

   Singling them out for abuse because of their Religious beliefs .

They were Americans , they weren't Isrealis whom they targeted .

They were invited into the Uni lessons to speak about their opinion, but they refused the offer 

[NickyLouie]

3 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

What specific condition in their visa are they being charged with violating?

Def the same as you cupcake:

 

*** being a supporter and sympathizer of Hamas - a designated terrorist organisation in the Palestinian region of Gaza

[Patong2021]

11 hours ago, stevenl said:

No dissent allowed anymore. 

 

Put your political  views aside and consider it from  this perspective:

- Foreigners are allowed into a country to study.

- They are generously  given preferential status over general visitors and  temporary workers.

- The foreigners then engage in political activities that are disruptive to the general order of their host nation.  Keep in mind that they were allowed entry on the basis of studying and not  as activists or as protestors or as agitators or even as advocates for social change in a foreign country. The student visa does not allow for sectarian political activities. 

- Had the host nation been aware of the intent to engage in activites other than studying, the visa would not have been granted and their entry not allowed.

 

The middle east politically involved students are only one  group of  people acting outside their visas. Other visa violators are criminal gang members, people engaged in work activities outside their visa authorization, and long term visa overstayers. The students are getting attention because of the political aspect. The reality is that thousands of other visa violators are also being removed.

 

It is not unreasonable to expect  guests of a host nation to refrain from sectarian political activities while hosted.  Once they leave or are citizens, then they can  engage in political activities to their heart's content.

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

Do they need to be charged to have their visas revoked ?

 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

Do they need to be charged to have their visas revoked ?

 

There are terms under which a student visa can be revoked, but exercising free speech isn't one of them. 

[NickyLouie]

5 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

 

There are terms under which a student visa can be revoked, but exercising free speech isn't one of them. 

 

 

Openly supporting a terrorist organization surpasses your flawed concept of free speech.

 

Sit tight, next week there will be more little piggies finding their way back home......

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

There are terms under which a student visa can be revoked, but exercising free speech isn't one of them. 

 

   Its non stop back and forth and getting nowhere .. 

Freedom of speech .

This isn't about freedom of speech

But their Freedom of speech is protected .

This isn't about freedom of speech

They cannot be deported for freedom of speech

This isn't about freedom of speech .

They have  freedom of speech same as USA citizens 

This isn't about freedom of speech .

 

    Im done . you beat me into submission 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, NickyLouie said:

Def the same as you cupcake:

 

*** being a supporter and sympathizer of Hamas - a designated terrorist organisation in the Palestinian region of Gaza

 

2 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

Def the same as you cupcake:

 

*** being a supporter and sympathizer of Hamas - a designated terrorist organisation in the Palestinian region of Gaza

 

Supporting a terrorist organization is spelled out quite clearly in statutes. They describe actions, not speech.

[NickyLouie]

1 minute ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

 

Supporting a terrorist organization is spelled out quite clearly in statutes. They describe actions, not speech.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

 

Supporting a terrorist organization is spelled out quite clearly in statutes. They describe actions, not speech.

Check immigration law as to why they are being deported. Nothing to do with freedom of speech. This has been gone through many times already

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, NickyLouie said:

 

As unpopular as that may be, it is likely protected speech.

[Patong2021]

6 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Spreading hate? I can think of someone else who's a master of doing that and gets masses of Americans to buy into it.

 

Antisemitism? Some of those protesting are Arabs, who are themselves semites. Protesting against Israel's policies isn't anti-Jewish or hate speech. It's protected speech under the Constitution.

 

Supporting Hamas? Not illegal unless it contravenes one or more of the very prescriptive laws that define support for terrorist organizations. These laws criminalize specific actions, not speech. I haven't seen any of the students charged with contravening any of those statutes.

 

Occupying universities? Universities can expel students for prohibited conduct and can charge outsiders with trespass. Expulsion would cancel a student visa, but a misdemeanor trespass may not always be enough to get a foreigner deported.

 

But again, some of the students are bing deported without being charged with any crime.

 

None of this matters. It gets to their visa  and the basis on which it was granted.

A student visa is given for the purposes of studying. It is not intended to cover sectarian political activities. Had the applicant stated their intent to engage in political activities, the visa most likely would not have been granted.  A student visa can be revoked with warning and explanation. The current visa revocations is not strategy. This was done  by previous administrations.  After 9/11 the US  required  host  academic   institutions to be verified. After the verification process concluded, almost 1/2 were found to be  bogus.

 

 

[alex8912]

48 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Even foreigners on student visas are subject to the provisions of the US Constitution that guarantee free speech and due process. There are no conditions on student visas that state that the holder of the visa is not entitled to protection under the US Constitution.

People need to stop thinking that having conditional visas = citizenship. There's literally whole lists of reasons people can have their visas withdrawn and no they DON'T fall under "free speech" and they DON'T have to give them warnings. Trump  " may" suck, but that's literally the rules for every visa and green card. It's on the immigration website. It's why they ask specifically if you support any terrorist groups or foreign orgs/factions that can be flagged while you're here. It's been that way for YEARS. A ton of pro-Palestinian college kids on visas got way too comfortable thinking that "free speech" shields them from things and forgot social media is forever!!

 

She is from Turkey as well. She should know better with all her degrees! 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

As unpopular as that may be, it is likely protected speech.

 

   Nope, encouraging violence isn't allowed under freedom of speech 

[Patong2021]

10 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

 

There are terms under which a student visa can be revoked, but exercising free speech isn't one of them. 

 

They are not admitted on student visas on the basis of engaging in political activities. They are admitted to study.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Just now, Patong2021 said:

 

They are not admitted on student visas on the basis of engaging in political activities. They are admitted to study.

 

Student visas don't contain conditions that prohibit engaging in speech protected under the US Constitution.

[Patong2021]

There are in excess of 1.1 million foreign students in the USA.

The revocation of the visas of  300  people who violated their visa conditions is hardly a crisis.

The vast majority of foreign students are  decent law abiding people.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Student visas don't contain conditions that prohibit engaging in speech protected under the US Constitution.

....you have still not checked immigration law have you.