All Vaccines Will Kill You - The evidence is overwhelming

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

I think you can check that on the list?

 

Answer the Redfield question: what is your take on the below information?

 

 

46:40:
"I don't think the vaccine industry should have immunity. I think they should have responsibility like any other manufacturer of any other product for their product and I'm particularly concerned about this now because, you know, my clinical practice right now which I'm still in two half days a week, is largely Covid and Long Covid, but among my, quote, "Long Covid" patients are people that don't have long covid but they have mRNA vaccine injury, right, and there's not a clear path for them to have their injury recognized…"

 

Now put this into perspective with what he stated during a Senate hearing last year: he does not administer the mRNA shots in his own practice because he believes the Spike proteins they contain are “toxic to the body” and "the mRA was persisting much longer than it should" in some patients. He confirmed it crosses the blood-brain barrier and that the jabs don't prevent infection and have side effects which were hidden by the authorities.

 

https://rumble.com/v56ws2r-sen.-ron-johnson-with-cdc-former-cdc-director-dr.-robert-redfield.html

 

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This is what Dr. Redfield's peers had to say about him when he was appointed as CDC Director in 2018:

 

“Dr. Redfield’s appointment to Director of CDC is a brilliant recognition of a great public health advocate, an excellent researcher, and one that has a life of dedication to public service. This appointment is refreshingly not about politics, but about quality, competence and compassion. Dr. Redfield encompasses all of those qualities and more.”

Terry Lierman, Chairman of IHV’s Board of Advisors

 

“Dr. Redfield is eminently qualified for this critical position. He has made a lifelong commitment to advancing biomedical research and human health through discovery-based medicine."

Albert Reece, MD, PhD, MBA, Executive Vice President for Medical Affairs (UM Baltimore) and John Z. Akiko Bowers Distinguished Professor and Dean (University of Maryland School of Medicine)

 

“Dr. Redfield has served his country well, and consistently demonstrates strong public health instincts that are grounded in science and clinical medicine. In my view, despite the loss to the Institute, I believe this makes him the ideal candidate to direct the CDC.”

Dr. Gallo, Director and co-founder of the Institute of Human Virology (IHV) at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland

 

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2018/dr-robert-redfield-co-founder-of-the-institute-of-human-virology-at-the-university-of-maryland-school-of-medicine-to-become-cdc-director.html

 

[kwilco]

Sometimes it helps to stand back and look at a conspiracy theory and watch it start to crumble………Science Evolves. Anti-Vax Myths Don’t.

 

Conspiracy theorists love to argue in minutiae — floods of obscure references, cherry-picked studies, and "experts", often just politicians you've never heard of. It feels like depth, but it's really just noise designed to smother the big picture.

So take a step back. Breathe. Look at the full context — and one truth becomes crystal clear:

 

Real science is self-correcting, constantly evolving. Pseudoscience hasn’t changed in centuries.

 

So what bout vaccins? A brief recap - The concept of vaccination isn’t new. It began in 14th-century China, where people used smallpox scabs to induce immunity. The idea spread to the Ottoman Empire, then to Europe. In the 1700s, Edward Jenner used cowpox to stop smallpox — without even knowing what a virus was.
In the late 1800s, Louis Pasteur cracked open the microbial world. He developed vaccines for anthrax and rabies, proved the germ theory, and gave us the scientific foundation for immunology.

Since then? We’ve built on that legacy with:

• Rigorous clinical trials
• Peer-reviewed studies
• DNA- and mRNA-based vaccines
• Decades of global health data

Science keeps asking, correcting, learning, and improving. That’s its power.

Now Check out the anti-vax arguments:

• Still saying “natural immunity is better.”
• Still screaming “government control.”
• Still claiming “they’re injecting poison.”

These were the same lines used by people who didn't believe in germs, rejected evolution, and thought illness came from bad air centuries ago

 

If your argument hasn’t changed since before antibiotics were discovered, it’s not research — it’s superstition.

 

Zoom out. Stop drowning in trivia and look at what the real-world evidence tells us:

Vaccines work. Science works. The facts changed — and so did we.
It’s time you did too.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Answer the Redfield question: what is your take on the below information?

 

 

46:40:
"I don't think the vaccine industry should have immunity. I think they should have responsibility like any other manufacturer of any other product for their product and I'm particularly concerned about this now because, you know, my clinical practice right now which I'm still in two half days a week, is largely Covid and Long Covid, but among my, quote, "Long Covid" patients are people that don't have long covid but they have mRNA vaccine injury, right, and there's not a clear path for them to have their injury recognized…"

 

Now put this into perspective with what he stated during a Senate hearing last year: he does not administer the mRNA shots in his own practice because he believes the Spike proteins they contain are “toxic to the body” and "the mRA was persisting much longer than it should" in some patients. He confirmed it crosses the blood-brain barrier and that the jabs don't prevent infection and have side effects which were hidden by the authorities.

 

https://rumble.com/v56ws2r-sen.-ron-johnson-with-cdc-former-cdc-director-dr.-robert-redfield.html

 

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This is what Dr. Redfield's peers had to say about him when he was appointed as CDC Director in 2018:

 

“Dr. Redfield’s appointment to Director of CDC is a brilliant recognition of a great public health advocate, an excellent researcher, and one that has a life of dedication to public service. This appointment is refreshingly not about politics, but about quality, competence and compassion. Dr. Redfield encompasses all of those qualities and more.”

Terry Lierman, Chairman of IHV’s Board of Advisors

 

“Dr. Redfield is eminently qualified for this critical position. He has made a lifelong commitment to advancing biomedical research and human health through discovery-based medicine."

Albert Reece, MD, PhD, MBA, Executive Vice President for Medical Affairs (UM Baltimore) and John Z. Akiko Bowers Distinguished Professor and Dean (University of Maryland School of Medicine)

 

“Dr. Redfield has served his country well, and consistently demonstrates strong public health instincts that are grounded in science and clinical medicine. In my view, despite the loss to the Institute, I believe this makes him the ideal candidate to direct the CDC.”

Dr. Gallo, Director and co-founder of the Institute of Human Virology (IHV) at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland

 

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2018/dr-robert-redfield-co-founder-of-the-institute-of-human-virology-at-the-university-of-maryland-school-of-medicine-to-become-cdc-director.html

 

 

So are you implying that the stuff you cut and pasted disproves vaccines and proves” “All Vaccines Will Kill You - The evidence is overwhelming” – yet you are unable to comment on this yourself – presumably because you don’t understand it. 

 

I think it’s is a crucial point in rational scepticism to dismantle bogus  "appeals to authority" that conspiracy theorists like yourself love to misuse (e.g., “This scientist questions vaccines, so they must be right about everything”). Being brilliant in one theory or domain doesn't guarantee someone immune to bad ideas elsewhere.

 

Here are some notable examples of scientists who made groundbreaking contributions, but also promoted fringe, pseudoscientific, or outright bizarre ideas…

 

Isaac Newton – Father of modern physics… and obsessed with alchemy
One of the most brilliant scientists in history, yet, he spent decades trying to turn lead into gold and searching for hidden messages in the Bible.

 

Linus Pauling – Two-time Nobel laureate… and vitamin C fanatic - Revolutionized chemistry and won the Nobel Peace Prize and then later became obsessed with mega doses of vitamin C as a cure-all — including for cancer — despite lack of solid evidence. His claims have spawned decades of quack medicine.

 

Francis Crick – Co-discoverer of DNA structure… and believer in “directed panspermia”
Brilliant geneticist, later promoted the idea that life on Earth was seeded by aliens. Purely speculative and outside the bounds of conventional science. Do you sill eat octopus and squid?

 

Kary Mullis – Invented PCR… and denied HIV causes AIDS - Nobel Prize-winning biochemist who invented a key method used in modern virology. Denied HIV's role in AIDS, backed astrology, and claimed to have encountered glowing raccoons while high on LSD.

 

Nikola Tesla – Electrical genius… and believer in communication with extraterrestrials - Pioneered AC electricity and wireless transmission. Also believed he received signals from aliens and made outlandish claims about "death rays" and energy beams.

 

The moral of this story is - Even the brightest minds can hold bizarre beliefs. What matters in science isn’t who says it, but whether it's backed by evidence, reproducibility, and peer review.

So when someone says, “But this Nobel scientist supports my theory…” — remind them: even geniuses need data.

 

There is an obvious irony here - The moment a respected scientist says something weird or fringe, conspiracy theorists don’t see a red flag — they see a golden ticket.
Instead of asking, “Does this claim have evidence?”, they shout - “See? Even a Nobel Prize winner agrees with me!”

 

They ignore the thousands of experts who disagree — and cling to the one outlier, even if that person has clearly veered off the rails. It's confirmation bias at its purest: the scientist is brilliant until they say something mainstream — then suddenly they’re “paid off by Big Pharma.”

 

to sum it up Conspiracy Logic 101 – 
1 expert saying something weird = "a brave truth-teller"
10,000 experts agreeing on facts = "a global cover-up"

 

This isn’t  about truth. It’s about validation. And that’s why they treat scientific outliers like messiahs — even when those same people are ranting about vitamin C curing cancer or aliens seeding life on Earth.

 

 

[rattlesnake]

15 minutes ago, kwilco said:

 

So are you implying that the stuff you cut and pasted disproves vaccines and proves” “All Vaccines Will Kill You - The evidence is overwhelming” – yet you are unable to comment on this yourself – presumably because you don’t understand it. 

 

I think it’s is a crucial point in rational scepticism to dismantle bogus  "appeals to authority" that conspiracy theorists like yourself love to misuse (e.g., “This scientist questions vaccines, so they must be right about everything”). Being brilliant in one theory or domain doesn't guarantee someone immune to bad ideas elsewhere.

 

Here are some notable examples of scientists who made groundbreaking contributions, but also promoted fringe, pseudoscientific, or outright bizarre ideas…

 

Isaac Newton – Father of modern physics… and obsessed with alchemy
One of the most brilliant scientists in history, yet, he spent decades trying to turn lead into gold and searching for hidden messages in the Bible.

 

Linus Pauling – Two-time Nobel laureate… and vitamin C fanatic - Revolutionized chemistry and won the Nobel Peace Prize and then later became obsessed with mega doses of vitamin C as a cure-all — including for cancer — despite lack of solid evidence. His claims have spawned decades of quack medicine.

 

Francis Crick – Co-discoverer of DNA structure… and believer in “directed panspermia”
Brilliant geneticist, later promoted the idea that life on Earth was seeded by aliens. Purely speculative and outside the bounds of conventional science. Do you sill eat octopus and squid?

 

Kary Mullis – Invented PCR… and denied HIV causes AIDS - Nobel Prize-winning biochemist who invented a key method used in modern virology. Denied HIV's role in AIDS, backed astrology, and claimed to have encountered glowing raccoons while high on LSD.

 

Nikola Tesla – Electrical genius… and believer in communication with extraterrestrials - Pioneered AC electricity and wireless transmission. Also believed he received signals from aliens and made outlandish claims about "death rays" and energy beams.

 

The moral of this story is - Even the brightest minds can hold bizarre beliefs. What matters in science isn’t who says it, but whether it's backed by evidence, reproducibility, and peer review.

So when someone says, “But this Nobel scientist supports my theory…” — remind them: even geniuses need data.

 

There is an obvious irony here - The moment a respected scientist says something weird or fringe, conspiracy theorists don’t see a red flag — they see a golden ticket.
Instead of asking, “Does this claim have evidence?”, they shout - “See? Even a Nobel Prize winner agrees with me!”

 

They ignore the thousands of experts who disagree — and cling to the one outlier, even if that person has clearly veered off the rails. It's confirmation bias at its purest: the scientist is brilliant until they say something mainstream — then suddenly they’re “paid off by Big Pharma.”

 

to sum it up Conspiracy Logic 101 – 
1 expert saying something weird = "a brave truth-teller"
10,000 experts agreeing on facts = "a global cover-up"

 

This isn’t  about truth. It’s about validation. And that’s why they treat scientific outliers like messiahs — even when those same people are ranting about vitamin C curing cancer or aliens seeding life on Earth.

 

 

 

You can therefore cease saying I get my information from YouTubers with no understanding of virology. I get my information from world-renowned virologist and ex-CDC Director Dr. Redfield. We are making good progress.

[Airalee]

12 hours ago, Hummin said:

Where do you have your source? 

 

12 hours ago, kwilco said:

By "they" you mean the lizard people?

 

Remember Trump was president for the Covid epidemic and one of te first things he did was disband the White House pandemic response team

Dishonest lefty losers.   Here’s your source.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.html

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/30/pressure-cdc-breakthrough-cases-501821

[Airalee]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

You can therefore cease saying I get my information from YouTubers with no understanding of virology. I get my information from world-renowned virologist and ex-CDC Director Dr. Redfield. We are making good progress.

You can get your information straight from the CDC but if you don’t have a link, the dishonest mudblood losers will play the same games as they are with me above.  Even when they have been provided with the same links numerous times in the past.

[kwilco]

8 minutes ago, Airalee said:

 

Dishonest lefty losers.   Here’s your source.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.html

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/30/pressure-cdc-breakthrough-cases-501821

you are so predictable and still don't understand reference - please look at the check list

[kwilco]

7 minutes ago, Airalee said:

You can get your information straight from the CDC but if you don’t have a link, the dishonest mudblood losers will play the same games as they are with me above.  Even when they have been provided with the same links numerous times in the past.

QED

[kwilco]

It's par for the course to hear exactly the same stuff and nonsense from Conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers all over the net and their comments are remarkably identical - they lack of undrstanding of evidence, cherrypicking and trying to disprove centuries of computation with one quote - it's so repetitive, but you have to admire their resilience.........Mark Twain, as ever has a suitable quote...

[rattlesnake]

21 minutes ago, Airalee said:

You can get your information straight from the CDC but if you don’t have a link, the dishonest mudblood losers will play the same games as they are with me above.  Even when they have been provided with the same links numerous times in the past.

 

@kwilco is the educated adult in the room, and therefore I know he understands that going forward he can't say this anymore :

 

 

He can still push his talking points, but as he is very smart, he understands he now needs to change the semantics and delivery. 

[kwilco]

45 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

You can therefore cease saying I get my information from YouTubers with no understanding of virology. I get my information from world-renowned virologist and ex-CDC Director Dr. Redfield. We are making good progress.

 I think we've dealt with false claims to authority.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

 

Dishonest lefty losers.   Here’s your source.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/health/covid-cdc-data.html

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/30/pressure-cdc-breakthrough-cases-501821

Okay, lefty loosers the best and only opening and closure of right wings manage to say

[rattlesnake]

49 minutes ago, kwilco said:

 I think we've dealt with false claims to authority.

 

You are misunderstanding. I am helping you by providing answers to your questions.

 

The answer to the one below is "no":

 

 

Here is the source I trust. Bear it in mind going forward:

 

Robert R. Redfield, M.D. Biography

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/109568/witnesses/HMTG-116-FA16-Bio-RedfieldR-20190604.pdf

[kwilco]

One of the greatest things about being human is our capacity to observe, think, and create. We didn’t just survive—we adapted. By watching the stars, tracking the seasons, studying plants and animals, and decoding everything from atoms to galaxies, we transformed existence itself. - We became Homo sapiens—the "wise humans."

 

It’s that wisdom that has taken us from near extinction to global civilisation. We’ve even developed the insight to recognise that we can be the threat to our own future—through climate change, war, and unchecked technologies.

 

We didn’t get here without resistance. - At every stage of progress, there have been those who chose myth over method. Deniers, superstitious zealots, ritualists.

Today, they show up as anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, and conspiracy theorists.

 

These are not harmless cranks. They are a threat to themselves as much as anyone -  the people who trade reason for paranoia, who abandon evidence for internet echo chambers.
They waste the precious human gift of thought—and worse, they drag others down with them.

 

History shows what happens when these voices gain power - witch hunts, dark ages, genocide. Not just backward steps, but brutal ones to boot. Yes, humanity often pulls through, but survival is never guaranteed, and the spread of conspiracy thinking is not just embarrassing—it’s dangerous.

 

So….don’t be that person the gainsayer, the denier, the gullible, don’t tolerate it in others, because the future isn’t built on fantasy, it’s built on fact.

  

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

One of the greatest things about being human is our capacity to observe, think, and create. We didn’t just survive—we adapted. By watching the stars, tracking the seasons, studying plants and animals, and decoding everything from atoms to galaxies, we transformed existence itself. - We became Homo sapiens—the "wise humans."

 

It’s that wisdom that has taken us from near extinction to global civilisation. We’ve even developed the insight to recognise that we can be the threat to our own future—through climate change, war, and unchecked technologies.

 

We didn’t get here without resistance. - At every stage of progress, there have been those who chose myth over method. Deniers, superstitious zealots, ritualists.

Today, they show up as anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, and conspiracy theorists.

 

These are not harmless cranks. They are a threat to themselves as much as anyone -  the people who trade reason for paranoia, who abandon evidence for internet echo chambers.
They waste the precious human gift of thought—and worse, they drag others down with them.

 

History shows what happens when these voices gain power - witch hunts, dark ages, genocide. Not just backward steps, but brutal ones to boot. Yes, humanity often pulls through, but survival is never guaranteed, and the spread of conspiracy thinking is not just embarrassing—it’s dangerous.

 

So….don’t be that person the gainsayer, the denier, the gullible, don’t tolerate it in others, because the future isn’t built on fantasy, it’s built on fact.

  

Conspiracy is a virus we do not have a vaccine against! Together with religion, it is true poison for healthy societies 

[kwilco]

34 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

You are misunderstanding. I am helping you by providing answers to your questions.

 

The answer to the one below is "no":

 

 

Here is the source I trust. Bear it in mind going forward:

 

Robert R. Redfield, M.D. Biography

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/109568/witnesses/HMTG-116-FA16-Bio-RedfieldR-20190604.pdf

the topic of vaccines spans from the 14th century to prsent day and is a world wide science - you are fixating on one reference from the American press as said step back and take a deep breath.

[Quentin Zen]

Got 4 shots.   Yes, I will DIE!!!! 100%.   The last shot was a few years ago, but I will still die.  eventually.   

 

This is scientific proof.   

 

On the other hand, I would like to say that walking, thinking, sleeping, and reading will kill you.   

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Quentin Zen said:

 

On the other hand, I would like to say that walking, thinking, sleeping, and reading will kill you.   

At least not at the same time, and most likely, or a big chance while you sleep at night.

[rattlesnake]

12 hours ago, kwilco said:

the topic of vaccines spans from the 14th century to prsent day and is a world wide science - you are fixating on one reference from the American press as said step back and take a deep breath.

 

The Redfield question produces long-winded and convoluted rationalisations to avoid having to simply look at the issue raised and (according to the real scientific method) take into account contradictory expert data.

 

The reason for that is that it would cause the whole house of cards – a deeply entrenched belief system – to come crashing down, and therefore psychological barriers kick in.

 

Just look at what Dr. Redfield says and explain why you think this world-leading virologist is wrong.

[kwilco]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The Redfield question produces long-winded and convoluted rationalisations to avoid having to simply look at the issue raised and (according to the real scientific method) take into account contradictory expert data.

 

The reason for that is that it would cause the whole house of cards – a deeply entrenched belief system – to come crashing down, and therefore psychological barriers kick in.

 

Just look at what Dr. Redfield says and explain why you think this world-leading virologist is wrong.

 

You re obsessing with the so-called “Redfield question” which is often misunderstood. Dr. Redfield suggested COVID might have come from a lab — but he has never said vaccines are unsafe. In fact, he helped lead their rollout and has publicly supported them.
Invoking him to discredit vaccines confuses virus origin with vaccine science — two very different issues.
Science welcomes contradiction, but it also demands credible, peer-reviewed evidence. The overwhelming global data still shows vaccines have dramatically reduced hospitalizations and deaths. That’s not blind belief — that’s outcome-based science.
If we’re going to apply scepticism, let’s apply it to all claims — including sweeping ones like “all vaccines will kill you.”
You need to broaden you horizons and open up the discussion and realise that Redfield says more about the poor state of American healthcare than anything else
 

[rumak]

On 5/22/2025 at 2:15 AM, rattlesnake said:

Things are not going as quickly and straightforwardly as we would like them too… but they are going in the right direction nonetheless.

 

OK.... Rumak has conferred with Ninja , as the ongoing "wait and see" period .... continues.   Having presented ONE somewhat rational opinion of WHY things are "moving slowly" .... the latest "news" from the CDC has a few critics (not favorites of rattlesnake) making some strong accusations.   R & N  , trying to be objective, must say that the points raised are very concerning .  Hard to say that the direction is in one that this bystander (me) approves of .   As for now... the Cynical side , one supported by experience, is having a very hard time not being very agitated. 

2 recent reads :  Sasha: Eugenics for Dummies, aka HHS's "Evidence-Based Approach" to covid shots.   may 28 

and the Breggins : 

New FDA Plans for the Covid Vaccines Will Kill Millions More

Peter and Ginger Breggin   May 28

 

i have been watching "the show" :    the previously (before the election)strong voices of dissent now holding positions of power in the "administration".... going on the big stage with wide eyes ,  like captives reading a script  ( i'm thinking of Bognino and Patel ) ..... and even Kennedy looks stunned standing on stage. 

 

"After initially being welcomed as a step forward toward limiting the use the dangerous Covid vaccines, the FDA’s new proposal really looks like the sinister work of the global predators who promote euthanasia, depopulation, and containing the costs of healthcare and social security by shortening or eliminating the lives of the recipients"

     ......the Breggins

 

Most of the MAGA crowd are jumping with joy .  That is what crowds do when distracted with "great"  trade deals and the amazing announcements of Dyes being banned from cereals.    

 

 

[rumak]

Link to Breggin:  

https://gingerbreggin.substack.com/p/new-fda-plans-for-the-covid-vaccines

[faraday]

Pharmaceutical companies aren't here to help.

 

They exist, to make profit.

 

And they did.

[rumak]

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