O Retirement visa

[Tony Healt]

Guys  I just started to fill in my visa documents And i now know that my visa will be canceled because of my own negligence, I miss calculated the amount of money I should kept in my account . Yep I know pretty stupid A.
 

So the question I am asking . Once this happens, would I need to leave the country and on returning home to Thailand reapply for a 90 day visa? . Then restart the application for the retirement visa again . Or is it more serious than that .

Thanks for reading this .

[Upnotover]

You might want to post this in the visas forum for more response.  But as far as I know you'll need to start over.  You can get a new non-O outside Thailand or enter exempt and convert.

[Captain Flack]

I have moved this to the visa section.

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, Tony Healt said:

And i now know that my visa will be canceled because of my own negligence, I miss calculated the amount of money I should kept in my account

You can start over as you and post above outlined. 

You could opt for using agent and do the start over when it suits timing wise. 

Where are you located in Thailand. 

You could consider exit without a reentry permit and obtain non O at Thai consulate. 

Current thread where guy obtained Non O at Vientiane. 

Extremely quick turn around one day for approval. 

For application for Non O retirement inside Thailand you need show funds came from abroad. 

That is not required if you obtain the Non O eVisa outside of Thailand

[Equatorial]

Removed. @DrJack54's post above has all the answers. 

[DrJack54]

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[Tony Healt]

Thank for your help .

Question re bank money needing  to prove where the money came from , do I still have to do this seeing I had this bank account for 11 year ?If need be  I am guessing my bank could supply me with that information if need.

in regards to the visa , once they see the problem . My visa would be canceled, that would I guess also go for my in and out permit . So my plan of leaving Thailand and then reapplied for the 90 days once I return , then reapply for the retirement visa is not going to work . Is that right .

 

[safarimike11]

5 minutes ago, Tony Healt said:

Thank for your help .

Question re bank money needing  to prove where the money came from , do I still have to do this seeing I had this bank account for 11 year ?If need be  I am guessing my bank could supply me with that information if need.

in regards to the visa , once they see the problem . My visa would be canceled, that would I guess also go for my in and out permit . So my plan of leaving Thailand and then reapplied for the 90 days once I return , then reapply for the retirement visa is not going to work . Is that right .

 

This is not a recommendation or suggestion; rather, just for your information: Have you considered using an agent?

[Tony Healt]

I am in Bangkok.

[Upnotover]

11 minutes ago, safarimike11 said:

So my plan of leaving Thailand and then reapplied for the 90 days once I return , then reapply for the retirement visa is not going to work . Is that right .

Leave before your existing stay is still valid, and return when it has passed.  Get a new non-O outside or re-enter exempt and convert.  I think it's easy.

[Tony Healt]

Not really I always done my self. My wife alway accompany that see to help a lot. I never had any problems in 11 years . Accept for this time and that was my fault . 

[Liquorice]

6 minutes ago, Tony Healt said:

Not really I always done my self. My wife alway accompany that see to help a lot. I never had any problems in 11 years . Accept for this time and that was my fault . 

Is your wife Thai?
Apply for extension based on Thai spouse.

400K in the bank for 2 months.

[DrJack54]

29 minutes ago, Tony Healt said:

Question re bank money needing  to prove where the money came from , do I still have to do this seeing I had this bank account for 11 year ?

No 

30 minutes ago, Tony Healt said:

in regards to the visa , once they see the problem . My visa would be canceled, that would I guess also go for my in and out permit .

To be clear. Do you currently have a reentry permit? 

If you do you cannot exit to kill off the Non O.

If you are clear that you didn't meet the financial requirements then I would not go to immigration. 

When does current permission of stay end? 

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Is your wife Thai?
Apply for extension based on Thai spouse.

400K in the bank for 2 months.

Can't seeing that working.

He applied for extension based on retirement.

Did not meet the financial requirements.

He cannot now apply for extension based on marriage unless compliance for retirement shown for past 12 months. 

[Equatorial]

8 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Can't seeing that working.

He applied for extension based on retirement.

Did not meet the financial requirements.

He cannot now apply for extension based on marriage unless compliance for retirement shown for past 12 months. 

 

This is an interesting point. Logically speaking, it should not be the case.

 

12-month compliance with a particular type of EOS (marriage vs retirement) is a condition for getting that type of EOS at the end of the 12-month period. He got a retirement based EOS based on the compliance for the prior 12-months. Next time he applies for EOS, if he applies  based on marriage, he should need to comply with the marriage-based EOS requirements. 

 

Getting a retirement-based EOS should not mean that he needs to comply with the retirement-based requirements AFTER getting the EOS.

 

Of course, TIT, so logic applies in mysterious ways... 

[Upnotover]

26 minutes ago, Equatorial said:

 

This is an interesting point. Logically speaking, it should not be the case.

 

12-month compliance with a particular type of EOS (marriage vs retirement) is a condition for getting that type of EOS at the end of the 12-month period. He got a retirement based EOS based on the compliance for the prior 12-months. Next time he applies for EOS, if he applies  based on marriage, he should need to comply with the marriage-based EOS requirements. 

 

Getting a retirement-based EOS should not mean that he needs to comply with the retirement-based requirements AFTER getting the EOS.

 

Of course, TIT, so logic applies in mysterious ways... 

Not really.  A retirement extension has clear ongoing financial requirements which render it invalid if not maintained.  That's why some offices check ongoing compliance for seemingly random events through the year, passport change for instance.

[DrJack54]

48 minutes ago, Equatorial said:

Getting a retirement-based EOS should not mean that he needs to comply with the retirement-based requirements AFTER getting the EOS.

The financial compliance is checked retrospectively. 

When the OP attends immigration for next extension, even if that extension is changed to based on marriage, the io will check the 800/400 compliance. 

My next extension (retirement) I will change to income method and will be able to show 12+ months of monthly transfers. 

However they will also check my compliance with the money in bank method. 

So both methods are run in tandem. 

 

Good explanation by Red Phoenix here.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1294912-changing-extension-from-retired-to-married/#findComment-18083999

[Tod Daniels]

12 hours ago, Tony Healt said:

Question re bank money needing  to prove where the money came from

Just so you're clear there is NO requirement to show where the 800K baht came from when you get a year extension of stay (which is what you're doing and have been doing)
The only requirements are that you kept the 800K baht in the account for 3 months AFTER you got the extension you're on issued last year, and then the balance never went below 400K baht the rest of the year and that it was back at 800K baht a minimum of 2 months before you APPLY for the next yearly extension.

IF you meet the seasoning requirements and are just worried about "proof of funds origin" you don't need to be at all as I said that is not a requirement

[Tod Daniels]

1 hour ago, Equatorial said:

Getting a retirement-based EOS should not mean that he needs to comply with the retirement-based requirements AFTER getting the EOS.

That would be a false assumption 😞 

When you apply for a yearly extension of stay based on retirement using banked money method you have to meet the seasoning requirements for the WHOLE YEAR you have the extension granted for

That is you need to keep the 800K baht in the account for 3 months AFTER the extension is granted and then the balance cannot go below 400K baht the rest of the year <- those are requirements for the extension a person is currently on, and if they're going to change the reason for the extension they also need to meet THOSE requirements as well

[Dante99]

11 hours ago, Upnotover said:

Leave before your existing stay is still valid,

What does that mean?

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

Just so you're clear there is NO requirement to show where the 800K baht came from when you get a year extension of stay (which is what you're doing and have been doing)

Thinking he was asking about "starting over".

Some posts suggesting  obtaining a new non O .

In any event his funds have been in Thailand for some time so he could start over. 

[Liquorice]

9 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Can't seeing that working.

He applied for extension based on retirement.

Did not meet the financial requirements.

He cannot now apply for extension based on marriage unless compliance for retirement shown for past 12 months. 

The financial requirement for an extension based on retirement starts 2 months before the date of application, then for 10 months after the extension is approved.

The OP didn't state when his shortfall occurred.

If it's recent, within 2 months of his next application and not having the required 800K, he could apply based on Thai spouse (400K) whilst still having met the requirement of his existing retirement extension.

[Upnotover]

20 minutes ago, Dante99 said:

What does that mean?

He has an existing extension.  If he leaves shortly before it ends, and return after it has, he can start the whole process again.

[Liquorice]

38 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

That is you need to keep the 800K baht in the account for 3 months AFTER the extension is granted and then the balance cannot go below 400K baht the rest of the year <- those are requirements for the extension a person is currently on, and if they're going to change the reason for the extension they also need to meet THOSE requirements as well

The financial yearly requirement starts 2 months prior to submitting the application, then the following 10 months from when the extension is approved.

800K for 3 months afterwards, then 400K for the next 7 months. 2+3+7=12.

[Tod Daniels]

2 hours ago, Liquorice said:

The financial yearly requirement starts 2 months prior to submitting the application, then the following 10 months from when the extension is approved.

800K for 3 months afterwards, then 400K for the next 7 months. 2+3+7=12.

they wouldn't be ON an extension if they hadn't met that requirement

[Tod Daniels]

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Thinking he was asking about "starting over".

Some posts suggesting  obtaining a new non O .

In any event his funds have been in Thailand for some time so he could start over. 

ahh point taken.
Many offices (in the situations where people run themselves off the rails on extensions) will allow people to forgo showing proof of funds origins when applying for a new in country 90 day Non-O visa (especially if you have a history of extensions with that office)

[Equatorial]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

The financial compliance is checked retrospectively. 

 

3 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

That would be a false assumption

 

Good to know! 

 

Related, in case one needs to show foreign source, and the foreign-sourced money has been in the bank for extended period of time (over a year, or 2-3 years), will the bank be able to issue a bank letter or a statement going that far back? 

[Liquorice]

1 hour ago, Tod Daniels said:

they wouldn't be ON an extension if they hadn't met that requirement

It's how you worded it in your previous post.

 

4 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

When you apply for a yearly extension of stay based on retirement using banked money method you have to meet the seasoning requirements for the WHOLE YEAR you have the extension granted for

That is misleading.

If the extension application was submitted and granted in June, the permission of stay would run into the following June.
The financial requirement for that extension however would run from April to March inclusive.

 

If the OP maintained the 800K for 3 months after the extension was granted and 400K for a further 7 months, he could apply for an extension based on Thai spouse provided he still had 400K. He would meet both criteria for the retirement extension he was previously granted and a new application for the reason of Thai spouse.

[worrab]

You say you miscalculated the amount required for a renewal. What you do not state is by how much and how long for? This could be important info as to what your next move is.

Do not forget that it is up to the Senior IO as to whether he can use his discretion  to allow a renewal if there is a reasonable excuse for this error.

 I accidentally dropped below the 800k within 2 months of a renewal. Replaced within a few hours of spotting this and all was okay.  

 

[DrJack54]

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