Turns out the Trump-maga and Mao-cultural revolution connection is actually a real thing

[howlee101]

22 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Ad hominem garbage is all you've got.

Pot, meet kettle

[howlee101]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sure thing.

Too bad he has currently blessed us with the worst president in American history.

 

The worst President lost in Nov 2024 🤨.  Actually, Biden lost before that when the coup d'etat of the DNC ousted him for the brain dead candidate.

[howlee101]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Personally I dont. I just see your name and know it will either be some unhinged anti Trump or anti American rant

IMO, he has a self-aggrandizing attitude trying to atop of the leaderboard for most posts for the day 🤣

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I have plenty of news sources. I don't include Fox and Truth Social, they cater to the mentally impaired.

 

Why do you post this garbage?  

[Cameroni]

Trump secures $600 billion investment commitment from Saudi Arabia

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donal-trump-administration-news-middle-east-live-updates-2071496

 

600 billion! 

 

That's 50% more than China makes off of the US in exports.

 

How does Trump pull these deals off???

[Magictoad]

 

Nonsense.

Chairman Mao starved 30 million people to death. On top of the thirty million starved to death deliberately millions of others were worked to death.

Mao was a monster Trump is not- Trump is still a hero to many people. Mao is reviled. Don't confuse the two because Trump has upset you and your friends.

Millions of people voted for Trump instead of Biden. You know why but just can't accept it.

[ThreeCardMonte]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So many triggered maga cult members here that have nothing but personal insults.

So predictable!

 

Anyway, to discuss why I originally saw a connection between Maoist cultural revolution and the Maga Trump cult movement, in some ways matching what the CNN article says Chinese are thinking, but more of a smaller subset of that. So I am very fascinated hearing what the Chinese think.

 

So ...

 

This isn't about left vs. right.

Authoritarian regimes from both have many things in common.

Also CULT OF PERSONALITY regimes (both Trump, Mao, and many others in history) also have many things in common regardless of ideology (if any).

Arguably Trumpism isn't really an ideology -- it's about following the leader in whatever he says (which can change 180 degrees in minutes).

 

My main observations --

 

Both the Maoist cultural revolution and Trump maga cult greatly devalue the "elite" more specifically actually real expertise and relevant experience.

 

Witness the most disgusting most unqualified cabinet picks in American history by Trump. Almost all totally unqualified in the area they're supposed to be experts in to an absurd degree. The only qualification needed? Sucking up big time to the leader. Total loyalty to the leader.

 

Project 2025 and DOGE actions and plans to purge the government of actual experts in favor or loyalists with no qualifications. (As above.)

 

As I said in the OP, nobody is saying they are exactly the same. Of course they're not.

Trump is not sending doctors to work in the fields as the Mao big ball boys did. 

 

But I'm convinced the parallels between these two movements are really real and really there. History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes.

 

Now I will put on my flak jacket for the barage of mindless insults from the maga cult members here, who are very loud, and who clearly are very much against free speech except if it's Trump worship speech.

“personal insults.”

 

Pot, Kettle, Black 

 

Everything else you posted was jibberish.

 

 

[ThreeCardMonte]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Trump secures $600 billion investment commitment from Saudi Arabia

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donal-trump-administration-news-middle-east-live-updates-2071496

 

600 billion! 

 

That's 50% more than China makes off of the US in exports.

 

How does Trump pull these deals off???

Because he can!

 

You think Biden could pull it off?  Never.

[ThreeCardMonte]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Why do you post this garbage?  

Dementia .  Just like Biden.

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

My main sources are sites like The Bulwark. Dominated by former republican conservatives.

 

The Bulwark - YouTube

 

Fox and the even more maga tv channels are basically Trump state tv propaganda. You can't believe anything from such garbage sources.

 

The return of the pot....

 

 

“This is the political website we should all aspire to. Underpinned by a common commitment to democracy and social liberalism, Bulwark+ combines rage, wisdom, humour and community. For $100 (toy money, anyway) a year, you get A LOT.”

[nauseus]

12 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Oh FFS....You suffer from brain rot. 

 

Or absence. 

[darbie-foos]

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No.

It's for patriotic Americans who don't want democracy and the U.S. constitution destroyed by the autocratic maga movement. 

I recall democrats tried to imprison Trump and like everything else they do, it all ends in failure, big-time. The fanny Fulton county RICO hoax likely is what factored in Trumps resounding election win knocking the outclassed dems straight into the septic tank where they current flounder mired in buffoonery excellence. Don't forget this epic photo of your beloved but persecuted MAGA leader extraordinare.

 

 

[darbie-foos]

must be difficult being a Democrat.

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

I recall democrats tried to imprison Trump and like everything else they do, it all ends in failure, big-time. The fanny Fulton county RICO hoax likely is what factored in Trumps resounding election win knocking the outclassed dems straight into the septic tank where they current flounder mired in buffoonery excellence. Don't forget this epic photo of your beloved but persecuted MAGA leader extraordinare.

 

 

Maga cultists do love using the word HOAX when things are not that at all. 

Yes we know Trump won this time.

That is NOT the flippin' point here.

[darbie-foos]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Maga cultists do love using the word HOAX when things are not that at all. 

Yes we know Trump won this time.

That is NOT the flippin' point here.

fanny was and still is the fraud perpetrating the RICO hoax, illegal political persecution that has since blown up in her fat face and she is more likely than not the one going to be jailed at some point. talk about an assault on democracy, coordinating with bidens WH to go after your political opponents. Fanny is duly representative of the corrupt vile scourge you so endorse.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, darbie-foos said:

fanny was and still is the fraud perpetrating the RICO hoax, illegal political persecution that has since blown up in her fat face and she is more likely than not the one going to be jailed at some point. talk about an assault on democracy, coordinating with bidens WH to go after your political opponents. Fanny is duly representative of the corrupt vile scourge you so endorse.

Total garbage. 

[BLMFem]

1 hour ago, darbie-foos said:

must be difficult being a Democrat.

 

 

 

Again and again I'm struck by the intellectual prowess behind such astounding nuggets of comedic gold that are regularly served up by the American far right.

Bravo!

[chippendale]

[nick supreme]

22 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I have plenty of news sources. I don't include Fox and Truth Social, they cater to the mentally impaired.

 

You are so smart. 

[nick supreme]

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Again and again I'm struck by the intellectual prowess behind such astounding nuggets of comedic gold that are regularly served up by the American far right.

Bravo!

You are the smartest person on this site. 

[Mike_Hunt]

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Again and again I'm struck by the intellectual prowess behind such astounding nuggets of comedic gold that are regularly served up by the American far right.

Bravo!

 

LOL...you are the last person who should comment on anyone's intellect. 

[Lacessit]

12 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

 

You are so smart. 

Rather sad I can't say the same about you.

[jimmybcool]

22 hours ago, howlee101 said:

IMO, he has a self-aggrandizing attitude trying to atop of the leaderboard for most posts for the day 🤣

 

The funniest thing about him is he called me a troll and blocked me for what I have no idea.   I am so torn up about it.   🤣

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

5 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Again and again I'm struck by the intellectual prowess behind such astounding nuggets of comedic gold that are regularly served up by the American far right.

Bravo!

This needs to be repeated.  You are the last person who should comment on anyone's "intellectual prowess".

[Mike_Hunt]

On 5/13/2025 at 9:21 AM, Lacessit said:

I have plenty of news sources. I don't include Fox and Truth Social, they cater to the mentally impaired.

I hope you don't watch the Gaslight network. 

 

 

 

[howlee101]

12 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

 

The funniest thing about him is he called me a troll and blocked me for what I have no idea.   I am so torn up about it.   🤣

 

 

🤣🤣 Seek counseling. Him calling anyone a troll is hypocritical. He's definitely a passive aggressive troll.... then whines to the forum admin about being abused 😝😝

[nick supreme]

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Rather sad I can't say the same about you.

You are so awesome.  

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, nick supreme said:

You are so awesome.  

It's nice to know I have a fan, in the midst of all the haters.

[darbie-foos]

On 5/14/2025 at 2:13 PM, Jingthing said:

Total garbage. 

of course it was, RICO should have been your first clue. but you know nothing about RICO prosecution or you wouldn't make such an ignoramus of yourself.

[MicroB]

On 5/13/2025 at 12:47 AM, Gsxrnz said:

The present-day Right are the counter-revolutionaries, trying to reinstate traditional normality and morality

 

Thing is they are not trying to do that.

 

In the past, in traditional politics, politicians, of both shades, would generally hold themselves to a particular standard. What would be considered a relatively minor infraction of the moral code would be followed by a groveling letter of apology and resignation, in the hope of a semblance of a political career could survive. Political corruption, hence the popularity of "Mr Smith Goes to Washington". Did Bill Clinton normalise unpresidential behaviour? Probably. 40 years ago a political candidate boasting of assaulting women in an unguarded moment would have seen his chances cooked; there is no doubt the current President said those words, and they are n ot taken out of contjext. Anybody remember the furore over Reagan jokingly announcing the bombing was to start (of the Soviet Union).

 

They are trying to impose their own values on the US, like all previous politicians. There are no cabinet members with a background that could even remotely connect to the common man (Reagan could, because at one time he would have been a jobbing actor living on mustard sandwiches). Few have had a career in public service, especially local government (even Governors would have seen the letters landing on theirdesks from worried and angry constituents). An example of alien values is George Santos.. He rose to relative prominance despite a lifestyle that many would find offensive, or at least, completely alien. The President himself is a demonstrable adulterer; he has, to my knowledge, never expressed regret over these dalliances to his ex-wives, nor his children. Again, its a lifestyle many people would not really approve of.

 

Many politicians of this ilk have professed to take a country back to traditional values, while being utter hypocrites, or spinning a complete fantasy of a history. John Major; "back to basics", while he was banging Edwina Currie.  In extremis, I present a few slightly edited quotes (so you concentrate on the words, and not who said them)

 

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Over fourteen years have passed since that unhappy day when the....... people, blinded by promises made by those at home and abroad, forgot the highest values of our past.........., of its honor and its freedom, and thereby lost everything. Since those days of treason, the Almighty has withdrawn his blessing from our nation. Discord and hatred have moved in. Filled with the deepest distress, millions of the best ..........men and women from all walks of life see the unity of the nation disintegrating in a welter of egotistical political opinions, economic interests, and ideological conflicts.

 

As so often in our history, Germany, since the day the revolution broke out, presents a picture of heartbreaking disunity. We did not receive the equality and fraternity which was promised us; instead we lost our freedom. The breakdown of the unity of mind and will of our nation at home was followed by the collapse of its political position abroad.

 

 

 

 

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The slogan ’emancipation of women’ was invented...... and its content was formed by the same spirit. In the really good times......, the .......woman had no need to emancipate herself. She possessed exactly what nature had given her to administer and preserve; just as the man in his good times had no need to fear that he would be ousted from his position in relation to the woman.

 

If the man’s world is said to be the State, his struggle, his readiness to devote his powers to the service of the community, then it may perhaps be said that the woman’s is a smaller world. For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home. But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one? How could the greater world survive if there were no one to make the cares of the small.........

 

.......We do not consider it correct for the woman to interfere in the world of the man, in his main sphere. We consider it natural if these two worlds remain distinct. To the one belongs the strength of feeling, the strength of the soul. To the other belongs the strength of vision, of toughness, of decision, and of the willingness to act. In the one case this strength demands the willingness of the woman to risk her life to preserve this important cell and to multiply it, and in the other case it demands from the man the readiness to safeguard life.

 

 

What you are describing is a Reactionary, not a Counter Revolutionary. Bannon and others do have a clear vision of America, and its not the same as the America of the past.

 

Some of the President's social media postings come from himself, such a an AI image, or inane postings about Taylor Swift and Bruce Springsteen. But he also has a team who make postings, such as this:

 

 

Its likely technically correct; someone has gone though  various 150 year old speeches. Though bits of it was.

 

Americans are rightly proud of the words of Emily Lazurus, added to the Statue of Liberty in 1903:

 

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Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

 

For many people, this poem captures the generosity of the American spirit.

 

Between 1870 and 1900, 12 million immigrants, mostly from Europe, landed in America, 70% in New York. In 1850, one in ten Americans were born outside of the US. By 1870, that rose to 15%.

 

 

Interestingly, the rise 1850 to 1870 is similar to the rise 1990 to 2020.

 

And lets not forget, immigrants form the backbone of the Union Army in the Civil War; 25% of the US Army was foreign born.

 

The key principle of Birthright Citizenship was established in 1898, when Wong Kim Ark went to the Supreme Court over the matter. The Courty found in his favour, affirming the principle of jus solis.