Western Allies Warn Israel Over Gaza Offensive as Fragile Talks Resume in Doha

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A couple off topic posts removed. The US backed aid topic is here:

 

 

[Somjot]

18 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its a well recorded fact that Hamas takes aid and then sells it on at huge profits, I am not going to repeat the numerous links to that. As for your disbelief on the above, that's no surprise coming from you and your claim that its only an excuse for atrocities.

 

I do not doubt that, as it is a common practice of the military to confiscate goods to finance or feed their soldiers and afaik Gaza has no other military.

But I am generally mistrusting anything the IDF states, as they have a well documented history of telling lies.

 

I would love to have a civilized discussion with you, from which we both and others could benefit but it would have to be without your personal attacks ("no surprise coming from you ...") or branding by others ("Oh, look, he wrote "FGM is horrible but not originating from Islam"; he must be Pro Islamist and Pro Hamas") and without the cancelling of criticism towards Israel.

We both know, this is not going to happen.

And we also know that all those methods like constant repetition, framing, branding, cancelling and personal attacks are most likely used when lacking strong arguments.

 

Seriously, if you have looked at all those news and reports coming out from Gaza and the West Bank and watched all that footage with an open mind, without filtering out those, which are not in favor of your agenda and you are still fully and uncritical siding with Israel, then at least in my opinion you have either completely lost your sense for justice, morals and ethics or more likely in this particular case you're applying an extreme double standard.

You surely have your reasons for that and they're not my business, but you should ask yourself if that is the world you want to live in.

Because once you support or apply branding, framing, cancelling and the suppression of critical voices and accept a double standard, where those attacks on Gaza and the West Bank and Lebanon and Syria and Iran and Yemen are called self-defence, it is just a question of time until all that will be applied on you.

[Nick Carter icp]

20 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

I do not doubt that, as it is a common practice of the military to confiscate goods to finance or feed their soldiers and afaik Gaza has no other military.

But I am generally mistrusting anything the IDF states, as they have a well documented history of telling lies.

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  No, the IDF do not have a long history of telling lies .

You just say that because you don't like what they say  .

You can try to prove your point by backing up your claims 

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

I do not doubt that, as it is a common practice of the military to confiscate goods to finance or feed their soldiers and afaik Gaza has no other military.

But I am generally mistrusting anything the IDF states, as they have a well documented history of telling lies.

 

I would love to have a civilized discussion with you, from which we both and others could benefit but it would have to be without your personal attacks ("no surprise coming from you ...") or branding by others ("Oh, look, he wrote "FGM is horrible but not originating from Islam"; he must be Pro Islamist and Pro Hamas") and without the cancelling of criticism towards Israel.

We both know, this is not going to happen.

And we also know that all those methods like constant repetition, framing, branding, cancelling and personal attacks are most likely used when lacking strong arguments.

 

Seriously, if you have looked at all those news and reports coming out from Gaza and the West Bank and watched all that footage with an open mind, without filtering out those, which are not in favor of your agenda and you are still fully and uncritical siding with Israel, then at least in my opinion you have either completely lost your sense for justice, morals and ethics or more likely in this particular case you're applying an extreme double standard.

You surely have your reasons for that and they're not my business, but you should ask yourself if that is the world you want to live in.

Because once you support or apply branding, framing, cancelling and the suppression of critical voices and accept a double standard, where those attacks on Gaza and the West Bank and Lebanon and Syria and Iran and Yemen are called self-defence, it is just a question of time until all that will be applied on you.

Jeez. They are not military. Hamas are terrorists and they are not stealing aid to feed themselves but to sell it onto their own people at huge profits. The rest of your post just went down hill from there, a true Hamas apologist with false equivalences and personal off topic slurs.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

Seriously, if you have looked at all those news and reports coming out from Gaza and the West Bank and watched all that footage with an open mind, without filtering out those, which are not in favor of your agenda and you are still fully and uncritical siding with Israel, then at least in my opinion you have either completely lost your sense for justice, morals and ethics or more likely in this particular case you're applying an extreme double standard.

 

 

  Its a war , the war cannot end until one side wins .

[bannork]

German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul has warned the Israeli government not to use accusations of anti-Semitism to pressure Berlin amid mounting German criticism of Israel's conduct in Gaza.

The German government's fight against anti-Semitism and its full support for Israel's right to exist "must not be exploited for the conflict, for the warfare that is currently being waged in the Gaza Strip," Wadephul said at a conference in Berlin.

"Despite all the difficulties that exist there, we as the German government will not allow ourselves to be put under political pressure and put in a position where we have to show forced solidarity," he said.

No 'forced solidarity' with Israel, says German foreign minister

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Merz on Monday issued a rare rebuke to Israel, warning that "if lines are crossed, where international humanitarian law is really being violated, then Germany, the German chancellor, must also say something about it."

"Frankly, I no longer understand the Israeli army's actions in the Gaza Strip or what their goal is," he said. "Causing such suffering to the civilian population, as has been increasingly the case in recent days, can no longer be justified by the fight against Hamas terrorism."

Israel aid up for debate, says Germany's Merz amid arms embargo calls

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The President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, has condemned the Israeli attack on a school in the Gaza Strip, describing it as "repulsive". The attack resulted in 52 deaths, including 33 children. 

Israel must immediately restore the delivery of aid in accordance with humanitarian principles, with the participation of the UN and other international humanitarian partners, emphasised the head of the European Commission.

EU leaders urge Israel to end blockade after school attack

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, bannork said:

German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul has warned the Israeli government not to use accusations of anti-Semitism to pressure Berlin amid mounting German criticism of Israel's conduct in Gaza.

The German government's fight against anti-Semitism and its full support for Israel's right to exist "must not be exploited for the conflict, for the warfare that is currently being waged in the Gaza Strip," Wadephul said at a conference in Berlin.

"Despite all the difficulties that exist there, we as the German government will not allow ourselves to be put under political pressure and put in a position where we have to show forced solidarity," he said.

No 'forced solidarity' with Israel, says German foreign minister

 

6 hours ago, bannork said:

Merz on Monday issued a rare rebuke to Israel, warning that "if lines are crossed, where international humanitarian law is really being violated, then Germany, the German chancellor, must also say something about it."

"Frankly, I no longer understand the Israeli army's actions in the Gaza Strip or what their goal is," he said. "Causing such suffering to the civilian population, as has been increasingly the case in recent days, can no longer be justified by the fight against Hamas terrorism."

Israel aid up for debate, says Germany's Merz amid arms embargo calls

 

3 hours ago, bannork said:

The President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, has condemned the Israeli attack on a school in the Gaza Strip, describing it as "repulsive". The attack resulted in 52 deaths, including 33 children. 

Israel must immediately restore the delivery of aid in accordance with humanitarian principles, with the participation of the UN and other international humanitarian partners, emphasised the head of the European Commission.

EU leaders urge Israel to end blockade after school attack

 

 

Did any of them even think to back the fragile peace talks and demand Hamas agrees to releasing the hostages or just embolden Hamas and criticize Israel all the time? 

 

There is a very easy solution to stop the war on the table right now and has been for some time.

 

US envoy says Gaza ceasefire deal is on the table, as Israel prepares to launch an ‘unprecedented attack’

US special envoy Steve Witkoff has told CNN that a ceasefire-hostage deal for Gaza is currently on the table with a pathway to end the war, and urged Hamas to accept it.

The proposal would see the release of half of the living hostages and half of those who have died in exchange for a temporary ceasefire before negotiations begin for a comprehensive agreement to end the war.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/26/middleeast/us-envoy-gaza-ceasefire-deal-intl

[bannork]

Three hundred and eighty writers and organisations including Zadie Smith, Ian McEwan, Russell T Davies, Hanif Kureishi, Frank Cottrell-Boyce and George Monbiot have signed a letter stating that the Israeli government’s war in Gaza is genocidal and calling for an immediate ceasefire.

“The use of the words ‘genocide’ or ‘acts of genocide’ to describe what is happening in Gaza is no longer debated by international legal experts or human rights organizations,” reads the letter, which was also signed by William Dalrymple, Jeanette Winterson, Brian Eno, Kate Mosse, Irvine Welsh and Elif Shafak.

Organisations including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the United Nations human rights council have “clearly identified” acts of genocide enacted by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), the letter says, while public statements by the Israeli ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir “openly express genocidal intentions”.

  Zadie Smith and Ian McEwan among 380 writers and groups to call Gaza war ‘genocide’

[bannork]

Two prominent Irish clergymen have urged the international community to ‘grasp reality’ in response to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Archbishops John McDowell of Armagh and Michael Jackson of Dublin said they “can no longer stand by and watch the cruel starvation of innocent people”.

The call for action comes after Israel’s 11-week blockade of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, which began on March 2.

Archbishops urge international community to ‘grasp reality’ in response to humanitarian crisis in Gaza

[Bkk Brian]

52 minutes ago, bannork said:

Three hundred and eighty writers and organisations including Zadie Smith, Ian McEwan, Russell T Davies, Hanif Kureishi, Frank Cottrell-Boyce and George Monbiot have signed a letter stating that the Israeli government’s war in Gaza is genocidal and calling for an immediate ceasefire.

“The use of the words ‘genocide’ or ‘acts of genocide’ to describe what is happening in Gaza is no longer debated by international legal experts or human rights organizations,” reads the letter, which was also signed by William Dalrymple, Jeanette Winterson, Brian Eno, Kate Mosse, Irvine Welsh and Elif Shafak.

Organisations including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the United Nations human rights council have “clearly identified” acts of genocide enacted by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), the letter says, while public statements by the Israeli ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir “openly express genocidal intentions”.

  Zadie Smith and Ian McEwan among 380 writers and groups to call Gaza war ‘genocide’

Where do they get their source data and evidence from? These people who signed this letter? Was it from Amnesty who attempted to redefine what Genocide is? Even the ICJ, who is the worlds court have not claimed this. A letter that tries to claim it is not debatable anymore is a complete farce. No wonder you've posted it.

[Bkk Brian]

58 minutes ago, bannork said:

Two prominent Irish clergymen have urged the international community to ‘grasp reality’ in response to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Archbishops John McDowell of Armagh and Michael Jackson of Dublin said they “can no longer stand by and watch the cruel starvation of innocent people”.

The call for action comes after Israel’s 11-week blockade of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, which began on March 2.

Archbishops urge international community to ‘grasp reality’ in response to humanitarian crisis in Gaza

The call for action comes after Israel’s 11-week blockade of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, which began on March 2.

 

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