Trump to ramp up transfers to Guantánamo, including undocumented citizens of European allies

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

Plans show the administration is preparing to send thousands of foreigners to the infamous detention facility, including people from Britain, France and Italy, with no intent to notify their home governments

 

June 13, 2025

 

"The Trump administration is preparing to begin the transfer of potentially thousands of foreigners who are in the United States illegally to the U.S. military base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, starting as early as this week, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

 

The foreign nationals under consideration hail from a range of countries. They include hundreds from friendly European nations, including Britain, Italy, France, Germany, Ireland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Poland, Turkey and Ukraine, but also other parts of the world, including many from Haiti. Officials shared the plans with The Washington Post, including some documents, on the condition of anonymity because the matter is considered highly sensitive. [emphasis added]

 

The administration is unlikely to inform the foreigners’ home governments about the impending transfers to the infamous military facility, including close U.S. allies such as Britain, Germany and France, the officials said. The plans, which are subject to change, come as immigration hard-liners inside President Donald Trump’s Cabinet push for more deportations and arrests of undocumented migrants."

 

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Washington Post

https://archive.ph/YyIdQ

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The foreign nationals under consideration hail from a range of countries. They include hundreds from friendly European nations, including Britain, Italy, France, Germany, Ireland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Poland, Turkey and Ukraine, but also other parts of the world, including many from Haiti.

 

 

Hmm... coincidence or not that Russia and its immigrants in the U.S. don't seem to be on Trump's chopping block.... at least not according to the above cited list that names quite a few different countries including Ukraine, whose citizens will be among Trump's targets.

 

Maybe the above Trump deportation campaign is just a good-will gesture to show that he's just as willing to deport white Europeans as he is immigrants from from Latin American or black population countries.... You know, not being racist at all!

 

But wait, in Trump's mind, does that mean that the supposed (largely imagined) "criminals" and "rapists" and "gang members" he's supposedly targeting in his immigration raids also are made up of folks in the U.S. from Britain, Italy, France, Germany, Ireland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Poland, Turkey and Ukraine???  

 

I always thought, by and large, they were pretty decent folks, like most immigrants living and working in the U.S., even if they don't happen to have all the right papers.

 

 

[Jim Blue]

Well  that will be a two way street not a one way street ..

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

Well  that will be a two way street not a one way street ..

 

What's the European version of the U.S. Guantánamo prison in Cuba???

 

Maybe I ought to reconsider my European travel plans for the near future...  

[Jim Blue]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

What's the European version of the U.S. Guantánamo prison in Cuba???

 

Maybe I ought to reconsider my European travel plans for the near future...  

Sorry I didn't think that far ......

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Guantanamo Bay detention camp

 

"The Guantanamo Bay detention camp,^{[note 1]} also known as GTMO (/ˈɡɪtmoʊ/ GIT-moh), GITMO (/ˈɡɪtmoʊ/ GIT-moh), or simply Guantanamo Bay, is a United States military prison within Naval Station Guantanamo Bay (NSGB), on the coast of Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. It was established in 2002 by president George W. Bush to hold terrorism suspects and "illegal enemy combatants" during the "war on terror" following the September 11 attacks. As of January 2025, at least 780 people from 48 countries have been detained at the camp since its creation, of whom 756 had been released or transferred to other detention facilities, 9 died in custody, and 15 remain.

...

The Bush administration maintained it was not obliged to grant prisoners protections under the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva Conventions, since the former did not extend to foreign soil and the latter did not apply to "unlawful enemy combatants". ... Humanitarian and legal advocacy groups claimed these policies were unconstitutional and violated international human rights law;^[5][6] several landmark U.S. Supreme Court decisions found that detainees had rights to due process and habeas corpus...

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In January 2025, Trump signed a memorandum to begin expansion of the Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center to house up to 30,000 migrants under detention, separate from the military prison. The migrant facility will be run by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).^[29] He signed a memorandum for an unnumbered "additional detention space".^[30] In March, the U.S. government transferred an undisclosed number of immigrants from the Guantanamo detention facility to Louisiana.^[31] The transfer came as a court reviews the legality of their detention and relocation."

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

 

 

[Patong2021]

Not particularly credible. The USA would share the identity of EU nationals with the EU origin nation. It would have to do so, if they want to do a background check. If the EU nationals are sent to Gitmo, it will be because a commercial airliner will not accept them for  a removal flight or there is a terrorism issue. There is no need for the USA to go to the expense of  detaining unauthorized European migrants. They get put on the next available flight out of the USA. The procedure is not that much different than the  Canadians who are denied entry or removed. Next available deportation opportunity. It costs money to transport and to guard unauthorized people.

 

What is the point of the  faux outrage anyway? If the European is in the USA and should not be there, then they should accept the consequences. They are most likely in the USA for personal gain and not because they are fleeing oppression. The pickpocket gangs will just have to make do in Canada or western Europe and the UK.

[NoDisplayName]

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"The Guantanamo Bay detention camp,^{[note 1]} also known as GTMO (/ˈɡɪtmoʊ/ GIT-moh), GITMO (/ˈɡɪtmoʊ/ GIT-moh), or simply Guantanamo Bay, is a United States military prison within Naval Station Guantanamo Bay

 

Why did you cite that particular source?

Why a link to "GITMO"?

Illegal immigrants no go GITMO.

 

The Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center (GMOC) is a migrant detention facility at Guantanamo Bay detention camp within Naval Station Guantanamo Bay (NSGB), on the coast of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The GMOC is a distinct facility from the detention blocks used to hold terrorism suspects and "illegal enemy combatants".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Migrant_Operations_Center

 

Not same-same.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Why did you cite that particular source?

Why a link to "GITMO"?

Illegal immigrants no go GITMO.

 

The Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center (GMOC) is a migrant detention facility at Guantanamo Bay detention camp within Naval Station Guantanamo Bay (NSGB), on the coast of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The GMOC is a distinct facility from the detention blocks used to hold terrorism suspects and "illegal enemy combatants".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Migrant_Operations_Center

 

Not same-same.

 

 

 

Same overall place... the Navy's Gitmo facility in Cuba... Somewhat different facility than the one used to hold alleged terrorists, as my original post made clear... Remains to be seen what the conditions will be like there for those people deported there by Trump.

 

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In January 2025, Trump signed a memorandum to begin expansion of the Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center to house up to 30,000 migrants under detention, separate from the military prison.

 

Frankly, I don't think ANYONE would want to come anywhere near to either of those places....

 

 

[NoDisplayName]

36 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Same overall place... the Navy's Gitmo facility in Cuba... Somewhat different facility

 

Sure, like a McDonald's and a Tesco housed in the same shopping mall are in the "same overall place," yet are "somewhat different facilities."

 

36 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Remains to be seen what the conditions will be like there

 

It's been seen.

 

"The GMOC has been used to hold migrants detained at sea for decades, including Haitian and Cuban refugees."

 

 

Claiming, or implying by omitting that these are separate facilities, that illegal alien invaders are being sent to GITMO is, well gosh, umm,..........it's a lie.

[blaze master]

50 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Why did you cite that particular source?

Why a link to "GITMO"?

Illegal immigrants no go GITMO.

 

The Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center (GMOC) is a migrant detention facility at Guantanamo Bay detention camp within Naval Station Guantanamo Bay (NSGB), on the coast of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The GMOC is a distinct facility from the detention blocks used to hold terrorism suspects and "illegal enemy combatants".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Migrant_Operations_Center

 

Not same-same.

 

 

So the headline is misleading? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Claiming, or implying by omitting that these are separate facilities, that illegal alien invaders are being sent to GITMO is, well gosh, umm,..........it's a lie.

 

You're choosing to ignore the very clear wording in my original post:

 

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In January 2025, Trump signed a memorandum to begin expansion of the Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center to house up to 30,000 migrants under detention, separate from the military prison.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

 

So the headline is misleading? 

 

No.. Trump is proposing they be sent to Guantanamo, which is what the headline accurately reports.

 

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

No.. Trump is proposing they be sent to Guantanamo, which is what the headline accurately reports.

 

 

 But its not the same place as you yourself have also stated. 

 

So yes the headline is misleading.

[rattlesnake]

Excellent. Why would it be any different because the illegals are European? If only European countries could do the same…

Residing illegally in a country is a crime, as all the law-abiding Thai-based retirees on this forum know.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

 But its not the same place as you yourself have also stated. 

 

So yes the headline is misleading.

 

 

If you'd like, I can see about booking you a cot or section of concrete floor there...

 

Maybe via Agoda?

 

 

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

If you'd like, I can see about booking you a cot or section of concrete floor there...

 

Maybe via Agoda?

 

 

 

Yawn.

 

So now you want me sent there ? Grotesque comment.

[NoDisplayName]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You're choosing to ignore the very clear wording in my original post:

 

 

 

You are misteaken, dear.

 

That wording does NOT appear in the OP, an article from the Washington Post, which at no point informs the reader that illegal alien deportees will be sent to an immigrant detention facility.

 

The OP says, among other things:

 

...ramp up transfers to Guantánamo...

...send thousands of foreigners to the infamous detention facility...

...to the U.S. military base in Guantánamo Bay...

...impending transfers to the infamous military facility...

 

That other wikipedia quote appears later in the thread, not the OP.

The Washington Post article is a propaganda hit piece which intentionally wants to mislead readers into believing illegal alien deportees will be sent to a military prison.

 

 

They will be given an all-expenses paid vacation to the Caribbean.

 

[annotator]

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Excellent. Why would it be any different because the illegals are European? If only European countries could do the same…

Residing illegally in a country is a crime, as all the law-abiding Thai-based retirees on this forum know.

Definitely. So why is Trump allowing millions of criminals to stay in the US?

[NoDisplayName]

21 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

So the headline is misleading? 

 

Not misleading.

Lying.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Lucky for you I did the follow-up post on Gitmo info at large making it clear that there are two different types of facilities there within the one overall Navy base -- one where they housed alleged terrorists, and another on the same base where they plan to house undocumented people deported from the U.S.  Either way, people there are at "Gitmo."

 

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In January 2025, Trump signed a memorandum to begin expansion of the Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center to house up to 30,000 migrants under detention, separate from the military prison.

 

[blaze master]

Just now, NoDisplayName said:

 

Not misleading.

Lying.

 

 

Apparently he can arrange to have me sent there as well. 

[blaze master]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Lucky for you I did the follow-up post

 

You said original post.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And as the Post correctly pointed out in the latter part of their article:

 

"The move to dramatically expand transfers is expected to draw criticism from U.S. allies concerned about the welfare of their citizens at the military base, which became a global symbol of torture and abuse in the wake of counterterrorism tactics pursued by Washington after 9/11. [emphasis added]

 

U.S. officials said the individuals being vetted for transfer are in the United States illegally. Many of the detainees’ home countries have told the U.S. they are willing to accept their citizens but have not moved quickly enough in the eyes of DHS, officials said."

 

Makes it sound like they're planning to start off at least housing the deportees in a "tent city" if this Trump plan comes to fruition:

 

"U.S. forces at the base erected a tent city earlier this year — 195 structures with a capacity to house more than 3,000 people — in anticipation of a large influx of detainees. But that never occurred, as flights dropped off modest numbers of people and the capacity of available facilities was not exceeded."

 

https://archive.ph/YyIdQ

 

 

[annotator]

This is unbelievable. Europeans bad. Mexicans good.

[NoDisplayName]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Lucky for you I did the follow-up post on Gitmo info at large making it clear that there are two different types of facilities there within the one overall Navy base -- one where they housed alleged terrorists, and another on the same base where they plan to house undocumented people deported from the U.S.  Either way, people there are at "Gitmo."

 

 

 

Strange that the Washington Post did NOT.

 

Wonder why.

[NoDisplayName]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And as the Post correctly pointed out

 

They never pointed out that the migrant detention facility is separate from the the supermax torture chambers.

 

 

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

They never pointed out that the migrant detention facility is separate from the the supermax torture chambers.

 

 

 

According to him its the same overall place though. The gymnastics going on here is unreal

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Hard to argue with the facts, courtesy of the history of the U.S. government at Gitmo:

 

As the Post correctly pointed out in the latter part of their article:

 

"The move to dramatically expand transfers is expected to draw criticism from U.S. allies concerned about the welfare of their citizens at the military base, which became a global symbol of torture and abuse in the wake of counterterrorism tactics pursued by Washington after 9/11. [emphasis added]

 

The place where the deportees would go IS the U.S. military base at Gitmo... And it DOES have the global reputation as described above.... And the same article includes a discussion suggesting the planned accommodations for deportees there would seem likely to be a tent city of sorts.

 

 

[NoDisplayName]

9 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Apparently he can arrange to have me sent there as well. 

 

He's the president.

 

Obama ordered the execution of American citizens by drone strike without trial.