Is paying the bar to take a girl out of the bar justified? Or just a scam?

[Equatorial]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

A lot of the less inexperienced members were trying to say it wasn’t a thing at all.

 

Actually, they may actually be more experienced, rather then less. 

 

First, that may be based on their personal experience. 

 

Also, an obligation to give money to an "employer" (bar, in this case) upon leaving implies indentured labor. As far as I know, bar girls in Pattaya and Bangkok are not indentured, and they are free to go without any compensation to the bar. And they often do - they quit and go back upcountry, or they move to a different bar, etc. That includes the case when they decide to stop working bar and to stay with a farang. 

 

I don't doubt that some bars will request money, and the girl may be complicit, out of obligation, or because of other reasons. And, for the peace of mind, the farang may decide to pay a small amount.

 

But, ultimately, the bar has no recourse (legal or otherwise) against the girls who leave, for whatever reason. 

[actonion]

She can quit,  but  wont  because the Mamasan  is giving  her a cut  of the 50,000b  or so she believes, having received a cut,  and a returned  to Buriram for a week or two  I  fully expect her to return to the Bar when the boyfriend has gone home

[actonion]

23 hours ago, quake said:

 Come on now.

No porkies. have a look. 

On 6/19/2025 at 8:08 AM, frank83628 said:

Why on earth do you old guys think these girls like you

Because they always tell me I'm a "Sexy Man"

 

[MalcolmB]

18 minutes ago, actonion said:

She can quit,  but  wont  because the Mamasan  is giving  her a cut  of the 50,000b  or so she believes, having received a cut,  and a returned  to Buriram for a week or two  I  fully expect her to return to the Bar when the boyfriend has gone home

Those days are finished with international free video calls. 
 

[cdemundo]

I haven't experienced this particular problem but sometimes the mamasans really seem to have a lot of control over bargirls who seem to feel obligated. Like "She did so much for me."

 

I was barfining a girl in Pattaya who was like under the spell of the mamasan.

She thought the mamasan was always looking out for her and trusted and looked up to her.  Not my business so I didn't get involved but the mamasan was getting a cut of any money this girl made, more so than with other bargirls I had known. Trying to remember exactly what she was getting a cut of but I just remember thinking that I had never heard of the mamasan getting a cut of things this girl was paying.

 

Some bargirls seem to see the mamasans as I do - money grubbing parasites; but others seem to see them as if they were a revered older relative or something. Maybe a function of how long they have been in the bar scene. I suppose when a farmer girl starts out as a bargirl it seems like the mamasan is helping them. As your girl says "Mamasan gave her the job, accommodation, lent her money, bought her clothes etc".

 

Maybe the bargirls get some benefit from bribing the mamasan that I don't understand.  Actually, sometimes I see punters acting the same way and tipping the mamasan exorbitantly for no reason that is apparent to me.

In general I don't see any benefit to me from the mamasan.

[ThreeCardMonte]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Murder, incest,  spousal and child abuse have also been around just as long.  Your logic holds that we should turn a blind eye to it  as well. A wrongful act is a wrongful act.

 

The beneficiaries of bar fines are pimps. They make their living from the sale of men women, boys and girls for sexual acts. they are parasites.  The practice leaves emotionally damaged people. That is why the discussion of whether or not pay a pimp is disgusting

 

After you’re finished galloping through the farang district on your White Knight campaign will you proceed to the Thai on Thai districts?

 

I’m sure they will appreciate your noble cause.

 

 

[Maestro]

On 6/19/2025 at 3:27 AM, NanLaew said:

 

Porn has four letters but.

 

Only in some pronunciation guides for English speakers and in some lowly educated persons' own transcription of their name. Look at the name written in Thai and you will see no r (ร). Listen to the name being pronounced and you hear no r.

[NanLaew]

35 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

Only in some pronunciation guides for English speakers and in some lowly educated persons' own transcription of their name. Look at the name written in Thai and you will see no r (ร). Listen to the name being pronounced and you hear no r.

 

Enough with this "lowly educated" nonsense already. This is the community farang pub after all.

 

Thai language doesn't follow the syllablic convention of the Roman language. When they say Porn, they say Paw-n, not Pon.

[Patong2021]

11 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

After you’re finished galloping through the farang district on your White Knight campaign will you proceed to the Thai on Thai districts?

 

I’m sure they will appreciate your noble cause.

 

I have no desire to engage or save anyone. Nor is it about being your fictional white knight. It is just a very easy personal choice: Right or Wrong. There is no gray area, no blurring. It is a choice between good and evil. Your argument is for evil and to harm others. You seek a justification to pay a pimp for the opportunity to have sexual relations with another person, and as this thread shows, there are many who seek to justify their behaviour. The likelihood that Thai people do similar is a  weak excuse. One is responsible for one's own personal choices. At some point, the  deck of cards of moral justifications and excuses will collapse.  

If you are so certain of your position, please share with your family and your co-workers (if you work) that you support the use of prostitutes in Thailand. Be sure to share your opinions on costs and criteria for the selection of a Thai prostitute. 

 

[Equatorial]

15 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Some bargirls seem to see the mamasans as I do - money grubbing parasites; but others seem to see them as if they were a revered older relative or something.

 

I don't see a reason to demonize the mamasans. If we set aside moral judgements related to the profession involved, mamasans are no different than people in other management positions - they vary. From money grubbing parasites, all the way to helpful and caring. Most of them of course are somewhere in the middle.

 

15 hours ago, cdemundo said:

In general I don't see any benefit to me from the mamasan.

 

There certainly are (at least can be, with a good mamasan) many benefits to the girls, as is the case with any manager. A good mamasan can also benefit a punter - for example by alerting him that the "girl" he's buying drinks to is not really a girl. Also, mamasans do not get involved with the silly jealousy games that some bar girls love so much, and they can provide useful intel. I've seen things like that with my own eyes. Not often, but I have. 

[Celsius]

On 6/18/2025 at 8:02 PM, MalcolmB said:

She is damn hot, 26 from Burirum province. Friendly, speaks good English, 8 year old daughter lives in Burirum.

 

Those stretchmarks must be really sexy 

[hydraides]

If the girl is 9/10 as you say, she could clear all her 40,000 baht debt easily within a few days / up to week max

 

Unless you mean $40,000 , and if your friend is paying that, well he must be crazy in the head

 

So shes talking nonsense

 

 

[StandardIssue]

Let him get on with it. This way he will get used to paying and paying and paying and paying and then building a house and then getting booted.

[jts-khorat]

On 6/19/2025 at 3:27 AM, NanLaew said:

 

Porn has four letters but.

It actually only has two...

[mangkut70]

the "drinking friend" should get used to fork out larger sums for the girl anyway. 

I figure she - and more importantly her family - got accustomed to the money she can make from multiple customers (her bar salary plus all the STs, LTs, online Bfs sending money etc.)   while she is in the business.

 

If he indeed takes her out of the bar, he puts himself basically in the position of the only customer and gotta "take care" and pay up for everything. So, IMO paying the inflated farewell bar fine is not the problem because it's small money compared to the big permanent deal.

 

It’s a long time ago, call it a former life, I've met a gorgeous Agogo girl and we became special friends with benefits. GFE was the term. She kept working, i did not mind. Well,  I simply would not have been able to provide the amount she needed for her family. But it was amazing how many sources of income she had beside her daily activities. Several guys she previously met, online via email - all believed they would be the only one and sending money to keep her out of the bar-life. 

 

So, unless your drinking buddy can stay with the girl 24/7 and control the money flow and her activities, I guess he will be just one of the many.

Some of the girls want to get out, become a good wife, getting kids with her farang etc. but most would not. There is so much more money to be made in the business if you are young, hot and sexy.