37 minutes ago, Maxbkkcm said:

Are you implying that they should never have access to engines vehicles? Because they didnt built it? 

Well since theyve had them its always been this way, and i dont see why it would ever change

 

 

no one needs self driving cars more than here

14 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Where are you hearing this? Living here, after hearing for years living in my country,about how things are here, you see the truth after a few years of interacting.

Mostly online and through travelers who repeatly coming here. What is the truth you seen? 

Hot sunny climates, heavily tinted windows, anonymity makes some drivers feel less accountable for their behavior. Can happen anywhere.

4 minutes ago, Maxbkkcm said:

Mostly online and through travelers who repeatly coming here. What is the truth you seen? 

How women are looked at here. How children are treated. How bad driving is here. 

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

How women are looked at here. How children are treated.

You have never lived in a nice urban area have you? I have lived the last 27 years in a very nice muban in Don Muang. All the neighbors are educated and have good jobs. I have seen their kids grow up to to university and get good jobs. I have never experienced how you live everyday. In fact my time here seems to be the opposite of how you live. 

9 minutes ago, marin said:

You have never lived in a nice urban area have you? I have lived the last 27 years in a very nice muban in Don Muang. All the neighbors are educated and have good jobs. I have seen their kids grow up to to university and get good jobs. I have never experienced how you live everyday. In fact my time here seems to be the opposite of how you live. 

What I heard about decades before I moved here has been proven while living here. Of course people who have a good amount of money are less likely to cause trouble, but that's anywhere. The few you've seen go to college is a fraction of those who don't here. I lived in urban areas in the US. Here I'm in the country 30 kilos from a major city, which is very close. One only has to look at stats and research, along with the daily news, to see what goes on here daily, which is also just a fraction of all the crimes happening and looking at how students here are taught and how they are passed while failing shows how the average school here operates. Looking how their animals are treated here is a reflection of how the country is, along with the women seen as secondary to men. Big cities are much the same everywhere. More , better paying jobs, traffic congestion, crimes, accidents, gangs, drugs etc.

I am so happy I experience none of that. When I go up to Isaan to visit friends they all have houses outside of the villages. They are well kept, the animals are taken care of and life is enjoyable. I simply could never live as you do. Totally different perspectives on Thai life. 

52 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The care for children here pales by comparison to the west. 

 

Why do you say that? They seem to show more kindness than the women in the West, but maybe that's just what I've been around. They also seem quite dedicated to seeing their kids succeed, though they are channeled into the wrong direction by the government.

1 minute ago, davb said:

Why do you say that?

Where and how he lives simple. 

10 minutes ago, marin said:

I am so happy I experience none of that. When I go up to Isaan to visit friends they all have houses outside of the villages. They are well kept, the animals are taken care of and life is enjoyable. I simply could never live as you do. Totally different perspectives on Thai life. 

Are they Thai or foreigner friends? Foreigners are of course going to have a better lifestyle than the average local, as well as treating their animals and children better. I'm not a hermit that doesn't get out, and I lived very close to urban areas in the US 62 years, as well as the 7+ years here. 

IMO it is not aggression, just incompetence due to terrible training. My Thai GF is a good driver, mainly because I have taught her to drive defensively.

 

If you want to see aggressive driving, try Melbourne, Australia.

 

 

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Are there Thai or foreigner friends? Foreigners are of course going to have a better lifestyle than the average local, as well as treating their animals and children better.

One is Thai/American retired here, the others are American and Australian. But one thing in common is all 3 have college educated wives who are smart. This I think is a big difference. 

2 minutes ago, davb said:

 

Why do you say that? They seem to show more kindness than the women in the West, but maybe that's just what I've been around. They also seem quite dedicated to seeing their kids succeed, though they are channeled into the wrong direction by the government.

They are placed with grandma here over 35%, while the single (usually) moms go to big cities to work. The fathers are long gone. I see abuse all the time here, with many women carrying sticks to keep their kids "in line". teachers doing the same, where I had to tell the supervisor two times in my daughter's school hitting children with sticks is against the law. It happens here all the time, and still in some schools.

 

I have a good friend here that runs an English school, and he tells me the exact same things all the time, along with saying I need to get my daughter out of here asap. He knows the school system as well as anyone in Thailand, and is well known all over.

 

Children here are allowed to sit on top of buses in rural areas all the time, which is a disaster waiting to happen, and sometimes does. A very high percentage of girls here, as much as 65% or more, are molested in their schools before they graduate. In the US it's less than 11%, just as one example.

 

Buddhism alone looks at women as secondary, hoping they'll reincarnate as a man. That already has men seeing women as inferior, which they aren't. Very few children here succeed, as most of them will work the rest of their lives making less than 30 Baht a day. 

2 minutes ago, marin said:

One is Thai/American retired here, the others are American and Australian. But one thing in common is all 3 have college educated wives who are smart. This I think is a big difference. 

Yes, more money, better lifestyle, better chance for a future for your children, which is reason one why I'll be leaving here next year with my daughter. 

8 minutes ago, marin said:

Where and how he lives simple. 

I live near a major city, so I know what goes on. How I live you have no idea about. Being observant is what matters, along with research.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

A very high percentage of girls here, as much as 65% or more, are molested in their schools before they graduate.

 

Many of the women give off those vibes. It seems like a bad problem with boys also.

Just now, davb said:

 

Many of the women give off those vibes. It seems like a bad problem with boys also.

No one deserves to be molested, let along a child. Both boys and girls are targets here for other children, teachers and other adults.

1 minute ago, davb said:

Many of the women give off those vibes. It seems like a bad problem with boys also.

Is the "immaturity thing" a sign of that? Older people kind of acting childish, like they failed to develop emotionally.

2 hours ago, Walt Kowalski said:

I've seen better driving in Kinshasa. 

What the heck were you doing there?

2 hours ago, angryguy said:

They are an agricultural people at heart. Good with harvesting bananas and coconuts. High speed vehicles dont seem to fit the culture

 

the humble diesel pickup will do its 180km/h speed limit given enough road.

I've long said, "If you really wish to see what is in the hearts of men, place them then in a vehicle with tinted-windows and hand them the key."

The most dangerous drivers are the Grab and Line motorbike riders.

I would revoke their licenses immediately.

It is mostlly lack of education, but not entirely.  If a person drives on the 7 between Pattaya and Bangkok at least a dozen times a vehicle behind you going way over the speed limit will flash it's lights, then if you don't move over immediately they will get one foot from your rear bumper.

My observation is a lot of these vehicles are MBZ, BMW, luxury vans, or another higher end vehicle.  I do not believe they lack education, but  possibly have some sense of entitlement because of their highso car so they feel powerful and exempt.  

It really is a big terrible insecurity being manifested in my opinion.

6 hours ago, angryguy said:

Theyre not responsible enough for those big lorries. Makes driving to provinces a nightmare i dunno how people do it regularly

One group I often encounter on  the hwy, are among the best and most couteous drivers anywhere. Not sure, but I think they carry Mekong sand for southern construction. They pull a second trailer and slow to a crawl on the hills.

They keep well to the left when being passed and use the blinkers correctly to advise when passing is safe.

 

Then there's everyone else! 

7 hours ago, Walt Kowalski said:

Thais, by and large, are widely known for their hospitality, warm smile, friendly nature and sabai-sabai ways.

 

So why does that not translate to how they behave on the roads?

 

I've seen better driving in Kinshasa. 

Because they are too busy chasing their next accident ! 

8 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Not saying for all of course but hospitality can be there because of a profit gained or perceived. Smiles can of course hide any emotions, including anger, jealousy, dislike or like. How people behave on the roads reflects how they are in other facets of life. Aggression instead of kindness. Control in lieu of respect 

This is a strange Thai bashing topic.

I never see Thais road raging even after being cut off, people pushing in, holding traffic up.

I think they are extremely peaceful on the roads actually.

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I think they are extremely peaceful on the roads actually.

Are you in fact living in Japan and not Thailand?

 

You sound confused. 

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

This is a strange Thai bashing topic.

I never see Thais road raging even after being cut off, people pushing in, holding traffic up.

I think they are extremely peaceful on the roads actually.

I don't bash Thais. I just point out things as I see them. Road rage , like that happens in the US, isn't generally the same, where people stop their cars and drag people out and start hitting them. Screaming at them, cursing about their mothers. Road rage is also cutting people off, coming within inches of people on scooters at 80KMH. Driving right next to you on scooters where they scrape against the side of your car or scooter, causing minor damage. It's disrespect for others on the road here. Thinking you own the road and others must move aside for you. If they tried what they do here in the west they would get their heads handed to them. I've never seen more people run red lights in my life until I came here, and this causes daily deaths.

1 hour ago, pub2022 said:

The most dangerous drivers are the Grab and Line motorbike riders.

I would revoke their licenses immediately.

They'd be riders.... not drivers !

10 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

This is a strange Thai bashing topic.

I never see Thais road raging even after being cut off, people pushing in, holding traffic up.

I think they are extremely peaceful on the roads actually.

 

Its all fun and games on the motorway until your being chased by a Thai with a hand gun waving out the drivers window !