After almost 2 pages, TedG has at the least gave cause for justification, but being that Trump always has to be the smartest man in the room, I think it was just an unexpected side effect. This would be the first time, if it was pre-planned that Trump has gone against Putin.

4 minutes ago, Wydahoan said:

After almost 2 pages, TedG has at the least gave cause for justification, but being that Trump always has to be the smartest man in the room, I think it was just an unexpected side effect. This would be the first time, if it was pre-planned that Trump has gone against Putin.

Putin have hurt his ego! Taken advantage of him, and ridiculed him in front of the whole world, so what do you expect?

1 hour ago, TedG said:

Venezuela is far from Russia. But the echoes of the Caracas snatch are ringing around the Kremlin

By overthrowing Maduro, President Trump dealt a humiliating blow to Vladimir Putin

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/05/venezuela-russian-air-defence-putin-blow-trump-maduro/

It's true.

However, Ukraine is a much better prize for Putin than Venezuela. He can use the case of Venezuela to justify his claim of a NATO/US threat to Russia. He can also argue that if the US is entitled to to usevforce in its sphere of influence on the American continent, so is Russia in Europe.

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Cuban military set up shop in Venezuela and kept Maduro in power. If it was alright for the Cubans to be operating in the country and managing a puppet state, one can argue that the USA had an interest of getting rid of it.

Nonsense. Maduro couldn't trust his own military not to betray him for the reward. They would also have been rewarded with a bullet, of course. No puppet states. Just a loan of soldiers to a friendly state just as the US does in all its overseas bases.

49 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

But not the ones where dictators or despots rule? Sounds like you have got it a** backwards

Will you support me in US out of Europe case?

32 minutes ago, candide said:

It's true.

However, Ukraine is a much better prize for Putin than Venezuela. He can use the case of Venezuela to justify his claim of a NATO/US threat to Russia. He can also argue that if the US is entitled to to usevforce in its sphere of influence on the American continent, so is Russia in Europe.

This is another reason for the USA to leave Europe. Its best for the noble people of Europe to decide how to deal with Russia.

37 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Putin have hurt his ego! Taken advantage of him, and ridiculed him in front of the whole world, so what do you expect?

You can’t deal with Trump made it harder for Putin to sell oil.

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

Will you support me in US out of Europe case?

The problem is the timeline. It will take around 10 years to replace US military protection.

Personnaly, I agree to it, but it must be realistically planned.

A related issue is nuclear proliferation in Europe to replace the US umbrella, as it is the only way to really protect countries other than France and UK.

8 minutes ago, TedG said:

Will you support me in US out of Europe case?

Given the demonstrably aggressive nature of Putin's Russia and the fact that despite Trump's bizarre hostility to them, they actually are allies to the US, I would be opposed. What levels of troops belong there, I don't know.

8 minutes ago, TedG said:

You can’t deal with Trump made it harder for Putin to sell oil.

Me? Christ sake,

Trump said numerous of time Putin was his friend, and a great guy as well he could just make one phone call?

Well, hang on to that thought as long as necessary, you guys being taken for hell of a ride from the beginning to the end.

We are just observer's looking at you guys.

How is it going with the files? Where is the files? Any news ?

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Me? Christ sake,

Trump said numerous of time Putin was his friend, and a great guy as well he could just make one phone call?

Well, hang on to that thought as long as necessary, you guys being taken for hell of a ride from the beginning to the end.

We are just observer's looking at you guys.

How is it going with the files? Where is the files? Any news ?

It just seems that they some people don’t know all that Trump has done for Putin, I don’t know if Fox News and the like report the things that Trump says in Putins favor. I mean after a closed door meeting one on one, he comes out and says that he believes Putin over our own intelligence people. To me it’s very easy, but I read a lot, not just one source, and I read what he says, not what someone think he says.

14 minutes ago, Wydahoan said:

It just seems that they some people don’t know all that Trump has done for Putin, I don’t know if Fox News and the like report the things that Trump says in Putins favor. I mean after a closed door meeting one on one, he comes out and says that he believes Putin over our own intelligence people. To me it’s very easy, but I read a lot, not just one source, and I read what he says, not what someone think he says.

The good news is Trump just made Putins life harder. BTW, do you know the US has been directing the Ukraine attacks on Russian oil infrastructure?

https://www.ft.com/content/f9f42c10-3a30-4ee1-aff7-3368dd831c8c

33 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We are just observer's looking at you guys.

I’m looking at your BS. Why has Ukraine been so effective attacking Russian oil.

https://www.ft.com/content/f9f42c10-3a30-4ee1-aff7-3368dd831c8c

36 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Given the demonstrably aggressive nature of Putin's Russia and the fact that despite Trump's bizarre hostility to them, they actually are allies to the US, I would be opposed. What levels of troops belong there, I don't know.

The people here hate the USA. I support the movement for the USA to leave Europe to their devices.

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

The good news is Trump just made Putins life harder. BTW, do you know the US has been directing the Ukraine attacks on Russian oil infrastructure?

https://www.ft.com/content/f9f42c10-3a30-4ee1-aff7-3368dd831c8c

Great news, the link doesn’t work for me. It’s nap time, Thank you for the discussion. Check back later.

1 minute ago, TedG said:

The people here hate the USA. I support the movement for the USA to leave Europe to their devices.

I think you're confusing their feelings about Trump with their feelings about the USA. Contrary to popular right wing beliefs, Trump is not America and America is not Trump.

3 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Well, get back to me when Venezuela launches a military invasion against foreign nations.

I wonder how people would react if China invaded the White House, kidnapped Trump and brought him back to Beijing for trial?

It would seem like he is setting that sort of precedent.

8 minutes ago, TedG said:

The good news is Trump just made Putins life harder. BTW, do you know the US has been directing the Ukraine attacks on Russian oil infrastructure?

https://www.ft.com/content/f9f42c10-3a30-4ee1-aff7-3368dd831c8c

I know Ukraine only target legitime targets cleared by weapon suppliers meaning USA and EU! This because they risk not getting supplies if they bomb wrong targets.

Ukraine is in the hands of USA and EU, and have no free will to target civilians as Putin does.

Stupid war if you ask me, and People like Putin and others justifies loss of humans is ridiculous. Don't worry, Trump is there to, no regrets, just excuses and causes.

7 hours ago, Wydahoan said:

75-100 People killed, how can this be justified?

Small number compared to the number killed from fentanyl. So what’s your moral preference, thousands of young gullible naive kids experimenting and toying with lethal drugs coming from other countries and overdosing, or a few dead culprits?

36 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I know Ukraine only target legitime targets cleared by weapon suppliers meaning USA and EU! This because they risk not getting supplies if they bomb wrong targets.

Ukraine is in the hands of USA and EU, and have no free will to target civilians as Putin does.

Stupid war if you ask me, and People like Putin and others justifies loss of humans is ridiculous. Don't worry, Trump is there to, no regrets, just excuses and causes.

You really don’t get it. Ukraine was hitting oil storage. The Trump admin told Ukraine to go after the processing units and give them the intel to make this happen. They also give Ukraine the intel of where the Russian air defenses were located. Trump did this.

Just now, TedG said:

You really don’t get it. Ukraine was hitting oil storage. The Trump admin told Ukraine to go after the processing units and give them the intel to make this happen. They also give Ukraine the intel of where the Russian air defenses were located. Trump did this.

Okay, I get it. How long did it take them ? Before or after Putin humiliated your brilliant president his highness?

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Okay, I get it. How long did it take them ? Before or after Putin humiliated your brilliant president his highness?

Stop being lazy and read the link I provided a few posts ago.

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

Can you back up your claim?

I think Cuba said 32 of its forces were there. So the others would presumably be Venezuelans. I think the US struck three of four locations - part of the usual distraction tactics I guess - while they went in to grab the main prize.

3 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

I think Cuba said 32 of its forces were there. So the others would presumably be Venezuelans. I think the US struck three of four locations - part of the usual distraction tactics I guess - while they went in to grab the main prize.

Check out the YouTube Channel sub brief. He did a nice job explaining what happened.

Just now, TedG said:

Stop being lazy and read the link I provided a few posts ago.

Seems you only interested in you view and understanding of the matter.

Ukraine was given green light to hit targets inside Russia with their weapons before Trump took place in the seat, and already depended on Intel given from Us, Nato and EU members.

This have been a long ongoing process

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Seems you only interested in you view and understanding of the matter.

Ukraine was given green light to hit targets inside Russia with their weapons before Trump took place in the seat, and already depended on Intel given from Us, Nato and EU members.

This have been a long ongoing process

That happen just as Joe Biden left office.

Just now, TedG said:

That happen just as Joe Biden left office.

And your man wanted to shut down the support? All of you guys debated on this forum it was not your war. And now?

Anyway, there is rumors Biden did approve strikes with Us made weapons before

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/30/biden-ukraine-weapons-strike-russia-00160731

However

May 3, 2024

UK gives Ukraine green light to use British weapons inside Russia

Ukraine can use British-supplied weapons to strike targets inside Russia, UK Foreign Secretary David Cameron stated during a May 2 visit to Kyiv. “Ukraine has that right,” Cameron told Reuters. “Just as Russia is striking inside Ukraine, you can quite understand why Ukraine feels the need to make sure it’s defending itself.”

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/uk-gives-ukraine-green-light-to-use-british-weapons-inside-russia/

Merz Gives Ukraine Green Light to Strike Deep Inside Russia

26. mai 2568 BE — German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said Ukraine has been given permission to use weapons supplied by its allies to launch strikes deep inside Russia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-26/merz-gives-ukraine-the-green-light-to-strike-deep-inside-russia

3 hours ago, TedG said:

You should think about posting evidence.

You should think about turning off Fox News,

2 hours ago, TedG said:

Will you support me in US out of Europe case?

Better Trump out of Washington. NATO is a key alliance and the EU a critical trading partner. Trump is actively destroying those relationships to benefit Russia.

8 hours ago, Wydahoan said:

It doesn’t seem like anyone is questioning why killing almost 100 people was justified to capture one person.

Because it's SOP for special forces like Delta Force and the Seals to literally murder anyone within the vicinity of their target. They went after the Muduros so bodyguards, government staff, housekeepers, gardeners, drivers, and anyone unfortunate to be in the area are just considered "collateral damage." Shoot anyone and every one.

"So sad, too bad" as far as the US Administration is concerned.