The perfect off ramp is for congress is to refuse to fund or sanction this war.

Trump has egg on his face and both Iran and America can claim some kind of victory.

Obviously, Trump would have to resign or be removed.

Win-Win all round.

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, but even though Trump started this war, I'm still not convinced that he is on board with the "forever wars" .... I don't think Trump has the same mentality as the Neo-Cons.

I will still leave some room for doubt that he is trying to extricate the US from that system .... but maybe he has to tie up loose ends first.

The loose end is a loose cannon.

Netanyahu’s war aims are clearly not the same as Trump’s:

“It is “often said” that you can’t “do revolutions from the air”, Netanyahu told a a press conference. “There has to be a ground component as well. There are many possibilities for this ground component and I take the liberty of not sharing [those] with you.”

Trump, meanwhile, claimed he had no plans for the US to engage in such an operation. “I’m not putting troops anywhere,” he told a reporter, when asked about using ground troops. “If I were, I certainly wouldn’t tell you.””

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/mar/19/iran-war-live-updates-oil-prices-gas-field-strikes-pentagon-more-funds-trump-news

3 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Trump is so easy to manipulate, even Kim Jong-un could do it.

They are all part of a massive "globalist cabal" .

That's why JFK was whacked.

He didn't want to play along with the cabal's agenda.

6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. More fun to screech.

You dont think we should replenish our stocks after two weeks of target practice? We might have to slap around someone else

Living vicariously, are you? Hey, so long as you don't have to man up, isn't it wonderful others can go into harm's way for what you believe in?

Scratch a MAGA, find a fat old coward. Seems they don't know the homonym of Jim (hint: it's a place where a person exercises so they don't look like the bloated Trump).

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

They are all part of a massive "globalist cabal" .

That's why JFK was whacked.

He didn't want to play along with the cabal's agenda.

"Globalist cabal"?

Goodness. It baffles me to this day to think there are still people who believe in that sort of thing. It's kind of like the Chemtrail Crowd.....world leaders often hate each other and go to war with each other, but all of them agree not to divulge the great chemtrail thing. Same with aliens....leaders that hate each other all agree to not scare the masses with proof of aliens.

I'm sure a lot of the warmongerers here on AN are getting their checkbooks out to fund the 200 billion.

Maybe the pentagon should open a gofundme ?

What's the cost atm, 1 billion a day? So 200 more days is the plan?

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I used to think that too, but it appears things are not that simple.

Just because they don't reveal the real reason they started a war does not (necessarily) mean the war is not justified.

Maybe some things Trump cannot say to the general public because it would undermine national security, for one thing. You don't want to be revealing all your cards to enemies who want you dead ....

You do some of the heavy lifting. Try to come up with a coupla 2-3 reasons they may not state everything explicitly to the public.

Anyway, no matter what Trump says or does, 50% of the US population wants him dead. People wanted him dead before he started the war, so why does he have to explain everything to you? You will still find reasons to hate him and try to get him impeached.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

I don't know if this is true, but Saddam was put there by the US/UK ??

And then later when his "useful idiot" role was done, they decided to remove him?

Crazy insane stuff this mad mad world of geopolitics.

If the CIA wants to put you in power, run for your life !!

https://archive.globalpolicy.org/iraq-conflict-the-historical-background-/us-and-british-support-for-huss-regime.html

US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors.

This is the wrong venue. You should be posting in the fiction forum.

Troll post removed @sungod discuss the topic and not just attack other posters.

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You oppose the war? You support Iran then?

As a committed liberal who opposes Trump, I firmly advocate for standing with Iran.

5 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

As a committed liberal who opposes Trump, I firmly advocate for standing with Iran.

According to your way of thinking, so does most of the rest of the world.

Posts throwing out personal attacks have been removed

Surely they can just use the tariff money, plus the DOGE cheques and still have money left over for a?.......huge statue of the greatest ever (US) president the world has ever seen.

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

What's the cost atm, 1 billion a day? So 200 more days is the plan?

Nah, this is a down payment, there is no plan.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nah, this is a down payment, there is no plan.

Of course there is a plan. The plan is for Iran to surrender unconditionally right away in the face of overwhelming firepower. If the plan isn't being followed, that's Iran's fault.

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

Of course there is a plan. The plan is for Iran to surrender unconditionally right away in the face of overwhelming firepower. If the plan isn't being followed, that's Iran's fault.

And there was also a backup plan. It was for the Iranian people to rise up and a heroically overthrow the government. The Iranian people have left the US government down badly.

That 200 billion USD won't go far. It costs a lot of money to be the most powerful military in the world, even in peacetime, let alone kicking off multiple military excursions around the world.

Meanwhile China is patiently watching and learning all the US capabilities, limits and mistakes in the Gulf. All the while with a tight hand on those rare earths.

10 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You dont think we should replenish our stocks after two weeks of target practice? We might have to slap around someone else

Given the United States' demonstrated enthusiasm for starting wars and bombarding largely innocent populations, with no apparent regard for civilian casualties ( sorry, collateral damage, must keep up with Orwellian double speak) then perhaps constraints on replenishing your stocks may not be such a bad idea. Anything to stop you being able to "slap around someone else".

A militarily diminished USA may be of benefit to the rest of the world perhaps?

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Instead of All the efforts you guys are putting into your circle session, why dont you take the time to write to your Congressman demanding he stop funding this evil war,

Feel free to post the letters you (say you will) send to your Congressman and Senator

You know very well donald is a traitor to the oath of office……+ right now all the spineless terrified republicans won’t pull the plug …..not that he would listen anyway.

6 hours ago, Tug said:

You know very well donald is a traitor to the oath of office……+ right now all the spineless terrified republicans won’t pull the plug …..not that he would listen anyway.

Do something. You, more than others, would never be able to convince anyone of anything, so you are just wasting bandwidth with the same nonsense you have been posting since your masters decided to hate Trump

6 hours ago, JAG said:

Given the United States' demonstrated enthusiasm for starting wars and bombarding largely innocent populations, with no apparent regard for civilian casualties ( sorry, collateral damage, must keep up with Orwellian double speak) then perhaps constraints on replenishing your stocks may not be such a bad idea. Anything to stop you being able to "slap around someone else".

A militarily diminished USA may be of benefit to the rest of the world perhaps?

Be happy to start with withdrawing from NATO

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Be happy to start with withdrawing from NATO

Many in NATO would probably be, at least, ambivalent, were the US to do so.

Probably the most important principle of a defensive alliance is trust and loyalty. The US has blown that one away.

8 minutes ago, JAG said:

Many in NATO would probably be, at least, ambivalent, were the US to do so.

Probably the most important principle of a defensive alliance is trust and loyalty. The US has blown that one away.

OK then NATO is done, because we think you guys take advantage of us and are unreliable and snooty. So lets dissolve NATO in a friendly fashion. Like a divorce.

We have made improvements to your infrastructure, how do you want to pay? Do you want to buy discounted equipment in bulk or should we just have a garage sale.

If any individual countries want to bid for a US base let us know.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

OK then NATO is done, because we think you guys take advantage of us and are unreliable and snooty. So lets dissolve NATO in a friendly fashion. Like a divorce.

We have made improvements to your infrastructure, how do you want to pay? Do you want to buy discounted equipment in bulk or should we just have a garage sale.

If any individual countries want to bid for a US base let us know.

Infrastructure and bases are governed by "status of forces" agreements. In the case of the UK, the bases remain the property of the host country, and there is no provision for the host country paying the US when they leave. I should imagine the same is true for most if not all other NATO countries.

Any US equipment NATO countries hold is already paid for.

NATO can/will remain without the US.

1 minute ago, JAG said:

Infrastructure and bases are governed by "status of forces" agreements. In the case of the UK, the bases remain the property of the host country, and there is no provision for the host country paying the US when they leave. I should imagine the same is true for most if not all other NATO countries.

Any US equipment NATO countries hold is already paid for.

No I mean buy our equipment. Why haul all those tanks back. Guess we could just unload it as a lot to the Russianss.

Got the agreements you reference?

No problem.

Just ask Trump's supporters and his billionaire cronies to make a substantial contribution - problem solved.

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No I mean buy our equipment. Why haul all those tanks back. Guess we could just unload it as a lot to the Russianss.

Got the agreements you reference?

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No I mean buy our equipment. Why haul all those tanks back. Guess we could just unload it as a lot to the Russianss.

Got the agreements you reference?

You mean sell American equipment to the country that's helping the Iranians? Why do you hate America?

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No I mean buy our equipment. Why haul all those tanks back. Guess we could just unload it as a lot to the Russianss.

On 3/20/2026 at 12:08 AM, Yagoda said:

Instead of All the efforts you guys are putting into your circle session, why dont you take the time to write to your Congressman demanding he stop funding this evil war,

Feel free to post the letters you (say you will) send to your Congressman and Senator

Have you ?

regards worgeordie

Republicans will always find money for wars , but cannot fund

healthcare and other social services for the poor and aged in

society , they should be ashamed of themselves ,but that would

never happen ,

regards worgeordie