Would only the unconditional surrender of the Iranian government qualify?

Would survival of the government but surrender of their nuclear stockpile qualify?

Would guarantees of freedom for the Iranian people along with the survival of the government qualify?

Would freedom for the iranian people and surrender of the nuclear stockpile qualify?

Would surivival of the government, no nuclear stockpile and cessation of support for allies outside the country qualify?

Obviously, there are other possible combinations

I'm asking because I can recall the extravagant claims made by Trump supporters for the campaign against Venezuela: surrender or overthrow of the government, democracy for its people, elimination of the government sponsored drug cartel, and, of course US access to oil. The last item is the only thing that the US secured but supporters celebrated that as a victory. So would a similarly limited concession from the Iranians also qualify as a victory.

I suspect that supporters of the Iranian "excursion" won't want to commit themselves out of fear of having their understanding of what constitutes victory undermined by Trump once again. And once again having to pivot in support.

When the Iran War Ends What Would Constitute Victory for the US?

There will be no victory. They engaged in an unprovoked war of aggression and have retaliated in kind. What they want and what they'll get are miles apart. What they really want is to overthrow the Iranian government, install Reza Pahlavi as the leader, and steal the Iranian oil for the US, and control that oil to keep it from the America's so-called enemies, i.e., China. That's reality without all of the anti-Iranian sugar-coated propaganda. Russia and China will not allow that to happen as they have too much at stake. So this will just drag out in a strike/counter-strike escalation for weeks, months, or years. I guess the US/Israel can nuke Iran, but then nobody gets the oil or the use of the now irradiated Persian Gulf. The longer this lasts the more infrastructure in Iran, the GCC, and Israel will be destroyed. If it lasts long enough, it will probably go from a regional to a world war.

So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter want the US "wants." The US is empire in decline and it's primacy is coming to an end as the world opts for multi-polar economic interactions without the US constantly trying to **** it up for the rest of the world. All the US does is destroy, destroy, destroy. They want everything for themselves and if they can't have it - they'll blow up the world. That's just gotta end.

You're fired!

IRGC spokesperson mocks Trump in military update© Tasnim

Iranian military spokesman Ebrahim Zolfaghari delivered a message direct to Donald Trump during a recent Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps operational update, telling the US president “you’re fired”.

“Hey Trump - you’re fired. You’re familiar with this sentence,” said Zolfaghari at the end of an address circulated by Iranian state media on Sunday (22 March), before signing off:

“Thank you for your attention to this matter. The Central Headquarters of Khatam al-Anbiya,” - a nod to Trump’s traditional social media valediction.

Iran’s foreign ministry have rubbished Trump’s claim his administration is engaged in “productive” talks to end the war in Iran on Monday, suggesting the president is only trying to reassure inflamed energy markets and buy time for his military plans.

'Hey Trump, you're fired': Iran military spokesman mocks US president

Apparently he has a 15 point deal that's all but done and dusted.

Hopefully victory will be enough to clear out the Iranian sock puppets on the net. When they shut up its over

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Hopefully victory will be enough to clear out the Iranian sock puppets on the net. When they shut up its over

Another words nothing to add…..just because people are against trumps war doesn’t make one an Iranian (sock puppet).to me a victory would be international navy’s escorting commerce in the area and trump removed from office so he can no longer provoke chaos on the world.

1 minute ago, Tug said:

Another words nothing to add…..just because people are against trumps war doesn’t make one an Iranian (sock puppet).to me a victory would be international navy’s escorting commerce in the area and trump removed from office so he can no longer provoke chaos on the world.

Got it. A nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran is OK, Trump is the problem

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. A nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran is OK, Trump is the problem

Yes. You finally got it. Trump is the problem. There was a deal with Iran not getting a nuclear bomb anv Trump tore it up. His ”winning” deal will be worse than what he tore up.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. A nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran is OK, Trump is the problem

Nope wrong: a coalition of ALLIES with the BACKING of their populace sorting Iran is the answer but your idol burned those bridges so now at best this war will degrade to a simmer and as a consequence energy will be more expensive for everyone for nothing gained.stop assuming everything that’s nonsense and makes you look the fool.

9 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Yes. You finally got it. Trump is the problem. There was a deal with Iran not getting a nuclear bomb anv Trump tore it up. His ”winning” deal will be worse than what he tore up.

Got it. The Iranians are trustworthy and peace loving. I forgot

5 minutes ago, Tug said:

Nope wrong: a coalition of ALLIES with the BACKING of their populace sorting Iran is the answer but your idol burned those bridges so now at best this war will degrade to a simmer and as a consequence energy will be more expensive for everyone for nothing gained.stop assuming everything that’s nonsense and makes you look the fool.

We have Israel, all we need. The Euros can worry about their own oil, they better do something

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

We have Israel, all we need. The Euros can worry about their own oil, they better do something

Europe will do the smart thing. Escalate the transition to solar and wind. Trump's push to keep the oil profits for his billionaire buddies has backfired. Losing again.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. A nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran is OK, Trump is the problem

Well it was Trump who trashed the nuclear weapons treaty Iran was complying with.

He and nuclear armed Israel have now started an illegal war of aggression with Iran giving the Iranians every reason to want a nuclear weapons treaty.

So yea, if Iran ever does get a nuclear weapons treaty, Trunpnis in no small part to blame.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

We have Israel, all we need. The Euros can worry about their own oil, they better do something

You are clearly laboring under the mistaken belief about who has whom.

Waddaya mean? Trump's won at least 5 times already:

Trump declares Iran war 'victory' 5 times in 13 seconds, then says, ‘have to be…’

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/trump-declares-iran-war-victory-5-times-in-13-seconds-then-says-have-to-be-101773277370963.html

Victory will be whatever Trump says it is.

It will be a big victory, the biggest the world has ever seen, a victory like no other, the most beautiful and biggest victory in the history of the world. Something sleepy Joe Biden could never have achieved. Nobody else could have done it because it's my big, beautiful victory. Everyone says so, and I know more about victories than anyone. Noone know more about victories than me.

Victory for the USA will be achieved when Trump, his cronies and his robber baron billionaires supporters are removed from power and in prison.

A victory would be the ousting and imprisonment of the so-called President and his cronies, who have taken the world to the brink of disaster. The only people who can do this are the US citizens themselves and clean, honest law enforcement and judges. Forget the razzamataz, bands and flag waving that the USA is notorious for. Face the truth! A red cap doesn't make a country great. Good and honest leaders do.

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. The Iranians are trustworthy and peace loving. I forgot

Got it. Trump is trustworthy and peace loving. I forgot.

Nobel should take that explosives guy's name off the Peace Prize and put Trump's name on it. I mean many people are saying nobody knows more about peace than Donny.

Okay, so he has attacked Iran. And Venezuela. And Somalia. And Iraq. And Syria. And Nigeria. And Yemen.

Trump has only threatened Cuba and Colombia so far.

And let's not forget Trump's greatest achievement, ending the 1994 Rwandan Genocide that killed 7 million, according to Trump. "I stopped that", Trump said.

BTW, maybe it was only one time, but Iran was in total compliance with the provisions of the JCPOA, which Trump trossed. So in terms of being trustworthy, it's Iran 1, Trump 0.

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Hopefully victory will be enough to clear out the Iranian sock puppets on the net. When they shut up its over

There used to be a TV commercial aimed at recruiting volunteers for the Army. The tag line was: "An Army of One".

You are becoming that for your cult leader, as other MAGAs fade away. Even suze has drifted off. Sadly, in the commercial the actors were fit and buff, not old and obese, nor boasting about paying for sex with young females.

I guess Trump's Army fits him.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are clearly laboring under the mistaken belief about who has whom.

Hes always has a mistaken belief because he has the same lack of moral character which explains his undying love for all things trump

Who says it's going to end ... I hope it doesn't

War is always good for the economy, stock market, job market, and ...

... COLA ... Me Me Me

If and when it does end there will be a litany of lies that glorify Trump and Hegseth as the saviours of the human race.

Remember, Trump has already saved Christianity this year.

3 hours ago, gargamon said:

Europe will do the smart thing. Escalate the transition to solar and wind. Trump's push to keep the oil profits for his billionaire buddies has backfired. Losing again.

The US is a net exporter of fossil fuels, probably why they don't want to switch to renewables.

The EU needs to import fossil fuels, one reason they do want to switch. In the meantime, energy costs in the EU are double of the US and China. Remains to be seen what the energy costs will be with renewables, but it has a major impact on cost of living.

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

We have Israel, all we need. The Euros can worry about their own oil, they better do something

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Who says it's going to end ... I hope it doesn't

War is always good for the economy, stock market, job market, and ...

... COLA ... Me Me Me

Are you guys contortionists?you both seem to be able to stick your heads up your a$$es no wonder you are both trump supporters.

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Are you guys contortionists?you both seem to be able to stick your heads up your a$$es no wonder you are both trump supporters.

Another informative insult reply. You sure about the support for Trump, as I'm pretty sure I'm not.

I disapprove more of his policies than I support. Running about 70 / 30% split at a guess, the one's I actually know about.

I only like three ... don't even have a MAGA hat

... tax cut

... close border

... deportation policy

29 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The US is a net exporter of fossil fuels, probably why they don't want to switch to renewables.

The EU needs to import fossil fuels, one reason they do want to switch. In the meantime, energy costs in the EU are double of the US and China. Remains to be seen what the energy costs will be with renewables, but it has a major impact on cost of living.

Thanks for agreeing with my point.

Tax cut benefits the wealthy and wrecks healthcare at best it’s a selfish comment on your part.we had a legislative fix for the border that he killed because he needs the drama to sucker the dummies and or titillate the racists amongst us…..that’s given rise to the masked thugs aka Donnie’s paid private army harassing us.much of his deportation policy is outside the bounds of our laws and constitution.so yup a contortionist fits and you are a trumper no doubt about it.

5 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Thanks for agreeing with my point.

$$$ is a part of it though. No one likes to pay high energy costs.

But with renewables, everyone can just get the hell out of the middle east for once and for all? Hallelujah!

Wake up Americans, this is all just about hurting Iran so Israel can continue their annexation. Victory is impossible, USA has started a massive annexation by Israel. It will be when Israel takes Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, Iraq and kick out all Palestinians. The billionaire American Jews support Smotrich, this evil Finance minister.

He suggested that Israel would gradually grow to encompass not only all Palestinian territories but also parts of Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/explainers/what-greater-israel#:~:text=He%20suggested%20that%20Israel%20would,MEE%20can%20be%20found%20here.

Oh and yesterday called for annexation of Lebanon

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-minister-calls-annexation-southern-lebanon-2026-03-23/