Oh dear it really is over for Farage even his mouthpiece Julia Hartley-Brewer is outraged. The Re-establishment is going to line up now behind the Tories and kill Reform. Helped on the sidelines by Restore- sorry all you racist fascists it's back to getting angry on your Pattaya barstool. It's over , finished, finito , mortlayo, kaput. Over.

He is so tetchy. The idea of this grifter as PM is absurd as are his supporters such as they are.

Bye.

Edited June 23Jun 23 by beautifulthailand99

13 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Oh dear it really is over for Farage even his mouthpiece Julia Hartley-Brewer is outraged. The Re-establishment is going to line up now behind the Tories and kill Reform. Helped on the sidelines by Restore- sorry all you racist fascists it's back to getting angry on your Pattaya barstool. It's over , finished, finito , mortlayo, kaput. Over.

He is so tetchy. The idea of this grifter as PM is absurd as are his supporters such as they are.

Bye.

He's an ugly man. Gaslights, tries to bully interviewers, especially female ones. And he has a smirk on his face - he doesn't care. If it is not obvious to people that he doesn't care about them, the country, or anyone else except himself just watch him squirm in these interviews. But his face and body language says "I don't care".

He also got a grilling on BBC breakfast time - he didn't like it.

Maybe one day even @BarraMarra will see him for what he is. We can but hope.

This is a glorious interview on Breakfast Time by Sally Nugent who refused to be bullied by him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_HYjBpX1RY

Edited June 23Jun 23 by josephbloggs

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

He's an ugly man. Gaslights, tries to bully interviewers, especially female ones. And he has a smirk on his face - he doesn't care. If it is not obvious to people that he doesn't care about them, the country, or anyone else except himself just watch him squirm in these interviews. But his face any body language says "I don't care".

He also got a grilling on BBC breakfast time - he didn't like it.

Maybe one day even @BarraMarra will see him for what he is. What can but hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_HYjBpX1RY

He really is and he knows he's cornered now and he's lashing out - JHB though is a firm far right Farage supporting journalist - for her to show thinly veiled contempt for him and his lies is a strong signal that he really is finished. That said he probably wants out now to be left alone with his fags, cash and crypto mates. So now is the time to really kick him whilst he's down and hope he can be finished off. Then Tommee for prison that's the next scalp worth having.

No one cares oh yes they do - yes they bloody do....Starmer's suits and glasses chump change down the back of the sofa. He looks tired and ill and probably stinks of fags. Awful awful man. He’s the biggest con man ever in British politics.

Edited June 23Jun 23 by beautifulthailand99

13 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

No one cares oh yes they do - yes they bloody do....Starmer's suits and glasses chump change down the back of the sofa. He looks tired and ill and probably stinks of fags. Awful awful man.

I love the way he pounces on the change of subject, thinks he has a chance to act like the man of the people, down the pub, cheering on "the lads" and gets sideswiped by the "such an advert for diverse Britain" comment, you could see his baggy frog face fall.

Brilliant.

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I love the way he pounces on the change of subject, thinks he has a chance to act like the man of the people, down the pub, cheering on "the lads" and gets sideswiped by the "such an advert for diverse Britain" comment, you could see his baggy frog face fall.

Brilliant.

It is and the women interviewer gets him on OP women problems... and yes it's a loony frog face bulging eyes..

annihilated in the MSM today another...

the British people are kind,tolerant and can see a chancing liar coming a mile off - like I said it's over. TOTALLY

Edited June 23Jun 23 by beautifulthailand99

13 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

Actually, its not. Its a thread about the Reform Party. You hijacked the thread to deflect away from the topic.

Rather than address a single point in the article posted by bannork, your response, which was the first in the thread, was:

The article wasn't about whether Reform should have a female leader, it was about messaging to all voters and candidate selection. You introduced a Strawman then whine that the thread is about the deflecting topic you posted. You refused to address the actual topic, because you don't want to read any critique of of Nigel and Lee.

And now you pretend to be the majority ("we"). You're not. You are a Threadjacker, a conversational narcissist.

It’s a thread about women in politics, you just don’t like the comparison I made.

They have decided to destroy Reform. Good due diligence has begun and not before time. We don't do Trump and never will.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/23/defected-reform-tories-biggest-mistake-robbie-lammas/

“[Reform] told me to lie. For example, I’d publicly committed to a policy and had not been able to follow through with it, and a senior Reform figure told me to ‘just lie’ about why,” he says. “The culture was toxic, grievance-driven and unprofessional. Add that to the racism, the ethnonationalist speeches at formal branch meetings and the conspiracy theories… It was kind of crazy.”

That Lammas can say this just months after sharing a now-deleted social media post that claimed “the spirit in Reform is inspiring” is fascinating. “I know,” he sighs. “I just need to be true to myself now.”

1 hour ago, sungod said:

It’s a thread about women in politics, you just don’t like the comparison I made.

Deleted as this joker ain't worth the effort

Edited June 23Jun 23 by Roadsternut

1 hour ago, Roadsternut said:

Deleted as this joker ain't worth the effort

But you made the effort to reply you clown.

Edited June 24Jun 24 by sungod

23 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Really, what with Starmer appointing tge most women to cabinet of any PM?

as if that is in some way a positive thing

20 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

Considering they cannot define what a woman is, it is hard to see how they can be against them.

good point , lol and look who it upset , predictably

35 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

In the photo Gawain Towler looks like he is on some form of medication. Definitely not playing with a full s

Why has Farage not been given Security same as the other Politicians, he has had more threats and attacks then any other high ranking politicle figure yet is not given protection and has to pay for his own security. As for the silly comments from the usual Anti Reformers all you do is spew nonsense when asked about Reforms succsess you never answer you just spew more nonsense. the joke bbc biased noooo, GMTV earlier interviewed farage Ed Balls tried to trip him up but hewas too clever to fall for there tricks.

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Why has Farage not been given Security same as the other Politicians, he has had more threats and attacks then any other high ranking politicle figure yet is not given protection and has to pay for his own security. As for the silly comments from the usual Anti Reformers all you do is spew nonsense when asked about Reforms succsess you never answer you just spew more nonsense. the joke bbc biased noooo, GMTV earlier interviewed farage Ed Balls tried to trip him up but hewas too clever to fall for there tricks.

If there are identifiable threats then the police /security forces will no doubt give him the appropriate cover and as an MP given what happen to Jo Cox and David Amess he will have more enhanced security and intelligence than Joe Public . Maybe also he could stop inflaming the public discourse with addresses to the nation from a field (has there ever been anything more pathetic ?) when tempers are fraying and stop contributing to Farage Riots.

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

good point , lol and look who it upset , predictably

Call yourself what you want no one really cares. But when you try to force your opinion on others then people do care. A man can call himself anything he likes but he will never be a woman.

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Why has Farage not been given Security same as the other Politicians, he has had more threats and attacks then any other high ranking politicle figure yet is not given protection and has to pay for his own security. As for the silly comments from the usual Anti Reformers all you do is spew nonsense when asked about Reforms succsess you never answer you just spew more nonsense. the joke bbc biased noooo, GMTV earlier interviewed farage Ed Balls tried to trip him up but hewas too clever to fall for there tricks.

Probably because he has gone against the governments narrative.

18 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Call yourself what you want no one really cares. But when you try to force your opinion on others then people do care. A man can call himself anything he likes but he will never be a woman.

Tell that to Thai lady-boy on meth and see how far you get !

Classic deflection. See what i mean Photoguy21 hit them with a question they won't answer so they will deflect. Soon the other Anti Farage squad members will be on spewing there nonsense instead of imputting into the thread.

On 6/23/2026 at 6:14 AM, Roadsternut said:

Identify specific instances of the following lying, while in office, or seeking office:

Jimmy Carter

Jimmy Carter flat out lied to the people who got behind him when nobody recognized his name at all and successfully enabled him to sweep the Texas primaries for Dem nominee for president in 1976. John Pouland headed the campaign. Carter personally said he wanted to break with the old guard reinvigorate his campaign with fresh faces not tarnished with corruption. At the state convention in Ft. Worth that year, Carter dumped Pouland and his campaign team and went all in with Gov. Dolph Briscoe's old guard. He lied. Flagrantly. I know. I was there.

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Why has Farage not been given Security same as the other Politicians, he has had more threats and attacks then any other high ranking politicle figure yet is not given protection and has to pay for his own security. As for the silly comments from the usual Anti Reformers all you do is spew nonsense when asked about Reforms succsess you never answer you just spew more nonsense. the joke bbc biased noooo, GMTV earlier interviewed farage Ed Balls tried to trip him up but hewas too clever to fall for there tricks.

Only ministers receive a permanent armed police protection team. For instance, the Leader of the Opposition does not receive a permanent armed police protection team as a matter of course. Neither do the other opposition politicians in Westminster.

Protective policing in the UK is intelligence-led and proportionate to the assessed threat. There is no constitutional convention or statutory entitlement that says "party leaders get armed bodyguards.". If the police do assign officers to Farage, he will be advised to deny the existence of such protection if asked about them , because the threat assessments, for obvious reasons, are kept confidential, like most of the work of the security services.

The Tories pay for their own security arrangements, where necessary, funded by people like myself, who pay £2 a week into the party coffers.

I see the British state school system failed you, like many others.

17 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Jimmy Carter flat out lied to the people who got behind him when nobody recognized his name at all and successfully enabled him to sweep the Texas primaries for Dem nominee for president in 1976. John Pouland headed the campaign. Carter personally said he wanted to break with the old guard reinvigorate his campaign with fresh faces not tarnished with corruption. At the state convention in Ft. Worth that year, Carter dumped Pouland and his campaign team and went all in with Gov. Dolph Briscoe's old guard. He lied. Flagrantly. I know. I was there.

👏

Well done. Someone who reads the posts, and takes the time to answer in a coherent manner.

https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1976/november/whiz-kid-of-texas-politics

When John Bryant made his winning try to become a state representative, he took the then 19-year-old Pouland to manage his campaign.

Two years later Pouland landed the job as Carter’s head man. Six months later he went over the side. With Carter’s win in Texas, the heavy hitters, who had viewed Carter from the wings, fell over each other climbing on the bandwagon. The whiz kid tumbled off.

Pouland insists he was leaving anyway, and waves a letter of acceptance to law school this fall to prove his point. But Bryant says the line “Pouland needs to go to law school” really translates “Pouland needs to be kicked out of the campaign.”

Pouland marvels at stories he feels enemies floated to shoot him down. He denies he ever “insulted the governor” or “was living and screwing” in the state headquarters. He says he had enough trouble staying on top at 21 without asking for more.

If John has been sacrificed, he doesn’t look it. If he has been slighted, he doesn’t let it show. Like the famous ambushed guerilla leader, his white horse is in the hills – only it’s a Kawasaki 900 and it’s ready to ride. The ’78 elections are not that far away.

Not sure Pouland ever felt slighted though (by Carter), judging by his comments in a tribute article

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/12/29/texas-remembers-jimmy-carter

Was it a lie, or did the "Whizz Kid" fall victim to a Democrat election machine that he couldn't control? In common parlance, the Establishment.

The strongest criticism is probably not that Carter lied, because there is little evidence he privately intended all along to embrace the old guard, but that he abandoned some of his insurgent principles once success required accommodation with traditional power brokers. To Pouland and others who had backed Carter when he was unknown, that likely looked very much like a betrayal. Whether one calls that hypocrisy, pragmatism, or ordinary coalition-building is ultimately a matter of political judgement.

5 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

👏

Well done. Someone who reads the posts, and takes the time to answer in a coherent manner.

https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1976/november/whiz-kid-of-texas-politics

Not sure Pouland ever felt slighted though (by Carter), judging by his comments in a tribute article

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/12/29/texas-remembers-jimmy-carter

Was it a lie, or did the "Whizz Kid" fall victim to a Democrat election machine that he couldn't control? In common parlance, the Establishment.

The strongest criticism is probably not that Carter lied, because there is little evidence he privately intended all along to embrace the old guard, but that he abandoned some of his insurgent principles once success required accommodation with traditional power brokers. To Pouland and others who had backed Carter when he was unknown, that likely looked very much like a betrayal. Whether one calls that hypocrisy, pragmatism, or ordinary coalition-building is ultimately a matter of political judgement.

I judge it as a lie as I heard it with my own ears. Carter was probably the worst micromanager in history. He would meddle in minor, minor issues of who sat on the state executive committee. That's when I knew he was eventually going to crash. BTW I don't think Farage fits the Carter prototype at all. From afar, in fact, he seems the opposite. He doesn't bother with details or doesn't take them seriously. He's going to crash and burn too. The other guy in Restore, Lowe, seems more coherent and persuasive. Give him three years and watch Farage bleed away support while Lowe gains it.

To the topic at hand, Gawain Towler wrote a reflective article.

https://gawaintowler.substack.com/p/speaking-to-half-the-country

Consider the ground we held going in. In the May locals Reform had taken all eight of the constituency’s wards, on something close to half the vote. Yet Survation’s constituency polling found Andy Burnham leading among women by twenty-one points while trailing among men by fifteen, a gulf of nearly forty points between the sexes in a single seat. The result followed the warning to the letter. Burnham took 54.8 per cent. Our man took 34.5. A party that had learned to speak to half the country was answered, conclusively, by the other half.

The proximate cause is not in dispute, and it is the more damning for being so avoidable. Robert Kenyon arrived carrying a decade of online remarks about women, including the now-notorious line in which he allowed that he was sexist and sorry only in the rhetorical sense. The party chose to wave this away as banter and to brief that the whole business was an establishment confection. It was no confection on the doorstep. I lost count of being told about Reform-minded women, women who wanted to vote for us, who would not in the end put a cross beside a man who had said those things and never honestly taken them back.

Writing for The Conversation in the closing days, Ceri Fowler, whose work on gender and vote choice the essay draws on below, found Reform’s social-media posts and Kenyon’s own campaign adverts reaching men far more than women, the campaign cutting through to the very half of the electorate already most disposed to listen.........Fowler also caught the mood that no spreadsheet records: on a Question Time special in the constituency, a woman in the audience said plainly that she would “sooner have a career politician than a plumber who was a sexist”.

Reform UK is the most consequential insurgent party in British politics since the SDP........And yet it is conducting the most lopsided electoral campaign since the days when women did not have the vote, in the exact inverse sense. It is speaking, overwhelmingly, to men.

The obvious response, and one that Reform’s strategists have at least gestured toward, is to put more women in front of the camera and in the policy room. Hire female spokespeople. Feature female council leaders. The logic appears sound: women voters will respond to women communicators.......The women who rise to prominence within Reform, indeed, within any right-populist party, are, by selection pressure, the women most temperamentally comfortable with Reform’s existing idiom. They are, in OCEAN terms, relatively low-Agreeableness, relatively high-Conscientiousness, comfortable with confrontation and categorical assertion. They are not, in other words, representative of the median woman voter.

Reform supporters should read this article by one of their own. He basically says the problem is not about female candidates or faces, because the women who are so far on the ticket are blokish women. He indicates reform has a problem with messaging, because its always made from a blokish perspective, and thus doesn't engage with female voters. He cites a few examples.

Reform Policy

Stop the boats. Intercept and detain all illegal arrivals

Gawain's alternative

The people dying in the Channel are dying because criminal gangs are charging them tens of thousands of pounds for a dangerous crossing. Every woman who drowns in the Channel, every child pulled from the water, is a victim of those gangs, and of a system so broken that this is what people feel they must do. We will end the crossings not because we are indifferent to suffering, but because the crossings themselves are the suffering. Safe borders mean safe people

Currently:

Leave the ECHR. Foreign courts must not override British law

The alternative:

The ECHR was built in the aftermath of the Second World War to protect people from totalitarian states. It was not designed to be used by criminal gangs and their lawyers to prevent the removal of people who have no right to be here. When a human rights framework is weaponised against the very communities it was built to protect, something has gone badly wrong. We will reset that relationship, not to abandon rights, but to restore them to their proper purpose.

His language is very similar to that of Badenoch, who heads the world's oldest and most successful political party, which is still a broad tent of beliefs, including Middle Tories like myself. Does he mean what he says? I hope so, but I doubt it, otherwise he would be a Tory.

If this language shift becomes embedded in Reform policy, I suspect it actually might cost them a few votes, as some of their more knuckle dragging supporters might conclude they have become "Woke".

10 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

To the topic at hand, Gawain Towler wrote a reflective article.

https://gawaintowler.substack.com/p/speaking-to-half-the-country

Reform supporters should read this article by one of their own. He basically says the problem is not about female candidates or faces, because the women who are so far on the ticket are blokish women. He indicates reform has a problem with messaging, because its always made from a blokish perspective, and thus doesn't engage with female voters. He cites a few examples.

Reform Policy

Gawain's alternative

Currently:

The alternative:

His language is very similar to that of Badenoch, who heads the world's oldest and most successful political party, which is still a broad tent of beliefs, including Middle Tories like myself. Does he mean what he says? I hope so, but I doubt it, otherwise he would be a Tory.

If this language shift becomes embedded in Reform policy, I suspect it actually might cost them a few votes, as some of their more knuckle dragging supporters might conclude they have become "Woke".

Your last sentences are very telling.

Why stay with Reform if the messages are softened? Might as well go back to the Tories where there are plenty of women established.

I'm not sure that the new message about the boats and feeling sorry for the women and children would work.

Isn't it common knowledge/ assumption now that the vast majority of boat migrants are males, intent on working in the UK?

15 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Oh dear it really is over for Farage even his mouthpiece Julia Hartley-Brewer is outraged. The Re-establishment is going to line up now behind the Tories and kill Reform. Helped on the sidelines by Restore- sorry all you racist fascists it's back to getting angry on your Pattaya barstool. It's over , finished, finito , mortlayo, kaput. Over.

He is so tetchy. The idea of this grifter as PM is absurd as are his supporters such as they are.

Bye.

did farage buy a ferrari ? Thought not

4 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

did farage buy a ferrari ? Thought not

Nick Ferrari though mark his grubby little card though - he's a shyster and if you can't see that then I don't quite know what to say. But if the cap fits ...

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Isn't it common knowledge/ assumption now that the vast majority of boat migrants are males, intent on working in the UK?

well its a fact that the illegals arriving on boats are pretty much exclusively males , Whether they are intent on working in the UK is another matter, and as they have no work permits, its a matter for the authorities. Many have no intention of working , are semi literate or illiterate and cannot speak english , they are unemployable, they aspire to a life on benefits

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Nick Ferrari though mark his grubby little card though - he's a shyster and if you can't see that then I don't quite know what to say. But if the cap fits

He may well be a shyster they all are . So what?

9 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

He may well be a shyster they all are . So what?

They are all not but in a world of wronguns he is uniquely bad and has cost this country in excess of £150bn and rising an he should be crawling on his knees apologising whilst a boat person gives him a good kicking.

9 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

did farage buy a ferrari ? Thought not

Got his eye on a Lamborghini. Made a 56 year old look an utter stud. Farage is now 62.