10 hours ago, JimGant said:

Well, yeah .. tho' Gulf War I went OK. But, more importantly, the US was instrumental in kicking Germany's butts in WWI and II. So, stick that in your sauerkraut and suck on it.

Jim ....nobody is going to confuse you

with a diplomat....!

3 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

No, literally nothing I mentioned happened in the USA. Do you really don't know?

To infinity and beyond.

US hegemony is failing due to fighting israel's wars.

15 hours ago, TedG said:

Maybe, maybe not. China has an aging population, and the one-child policy is biting them in the butt.

China faces acute issues, but the population scale is different, and gdp per capita is still low. It's just a question of time.

12 hours ago, TedG said:

WTF does this reply have to do with this topic?

And right there is a prime example of why the US is moving downhill. The fact that you and millions of other Americans don't understand why " 6 teeth" is tricked into fighting for "6 yachts" is bad for the US is one of the reasons your country is regressing.

11 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

Stealth is a breakthrough -- derived from inventions by the German Luftwaffe who were the first to experiment with radar-absorbent coatings (such as Sumpf and Schornsteinfeger) to reduce radar signatures of airplanes and submarines. The first functioning computer was the Zuse in 1941 (you guessed it, NOT American), binary numbers were first thought of by Leibniz. Internet packaging was developed at CERN, the first email sent by a professor in Germany.

And nukes... the USA and Russia both would not have gotten off the ground, literally, without poaching as many German scientists as they could get their hands on. Rockets... the V2 anyone? Heisenberg, you saw the movie?

Everything that came after in US research builds on this foundation, without really very much that was not already thought of and at least theorized in Germany before and during World War II.

The Americans have been really good at copying, stealing and maybe a litte bit of refinement, but they have rested on those laurels now for 75 years.

That you do not know that and bring examples of technologies that do only prove my point so clearly shows -- to me -- that the USA lacks so much education and the average American is so brain-washed that they really believe, in their heart, that all this is American, while you people are simply abusers and users of other peoples good work.

To sum it up: it is sad, and very much embarassing, what you posted here.

What is sad is that you seem to have selectively missed out on so many other computing and scientific pioneers

Also that you think that radar is used to locate submarines.

And that Germany developed stealth aircraft. The only World War II aircraft possessing "stealth" characteristics was the German Horten Ho229 that never saw full industrial production or combat and the design was not intentionally "stealthy" anyway.

12 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

World wars happened over resources. People are resources. China needs more of them.

Russia invaded Ukraine because basically it needs more Russians; Russia has appalling demographic trends, but Russian face becoming a minority to non-Rus.

China is extremely ethno-nationalist, as the people of Hong Kong discovered. Thousands of people, not of Chinese ethnicity, mostly of Indian or Malaysian ethnicity, but who had been in the territory for generations, found themselves stateless in 1997.

We might pick on the Mao policy as the cause, but all three Chinese countries show similar, aging populations In fact, Taiwan is the oldest population followed by Singapore.

Tensions within Han Chinese society will drive calls for unification of Chinese peoples. Not just Taiwan. But why no parts of Thailand, parts of Russia.

As Chinese society ages, there will be effects on the workforce. That will drive development in robotics, probably giving them a technological advantage over societies that have less need to automate, such as the US, which still has plenty of kids to turn into factory drones.

Automation of a society is incredibly expensive. China needs to stay rich literally for national survival. Without that revenue it can't innovate its way out of a demographic Gordian knot.

So what happens if someone tries to stop that, such as forcing Chinese companies to leave certain countries, by effective trade blockades. Japan attacked the US because it thought the US was going to threaten its access to resources essential to its national survival.

Wars never start for good reasons, and those who start wars are rarely in control of how it finishes. When the Kaiser invaded Belgium in 1914, did he think it might end with him in exile, and his country impoverished? When Hitler staged the incident on the Polish border in September 1939, did he think it would end with him blowing his brains out in the ruins of Berlin 6 years later. And so on.

When America transitioned from a training mission in South Vietnam, they probably didn't think it would end with marines evacuating on the last Huey out of Vietnam 10 years later, 50,000 dead and a country that was split for a generation, and psychologically scarred for multiple generations.

Russia is going to lose their war. They are not going to achieve their aims. They might call a halt to hostilities, but they won't have won anything. There is nothing worth anything in the decrepit statelet of the Donbass. Ukraine is guaranteed victory, if the definition of victory is that Ukrainians survive as Ukrainian.

If China starts a war, chances are it won't end well for China, and it will probably be a terrible idea for China. But at that point, China will probably feel it had no choice. I suspect President Trump felt the same with Iran, if you go with Rubio's line that the Israelis were launching an attack unilaterally.

So when I hear about demographic challenges in China, it doesn't fill me with hope, but with dread. China might lose a war, but the winners will likely not feel like they won anything.

The corporate lobbies that control US politicians start all of these wars.

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China is sovereign and is doing great - productive workforce and growing economy so they don't need to start wars.

Russia is sovereign and has MASSIVE oil & gas reserves so don't need to start a war.
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USA is Trillions in debt - completely ****ed.
EU is also in huge, unsustainable debt + no oil or gas - even more ****ed.

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Both USA, EU (and Yookay) are ruled by business lobbies - mainly Military, Financial but also Technological.

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Theses corporate lobbies / corporations want to capture resources but have ZERO loyalty to any country (hence the over repressentation of J's in these corporations) and use these Nation states (US, EU, UK) to start (AND FUND) wars, fake pandemics etc. to wring resources and taxpayer money into their coffers.
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The whole Russia bad, China bad BS is just there to console us while our home nations and currencies turn to ****.

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Edited June 26Jun 26 by Tourist2

19 hours ago, blaze master said:

This just isn't true at all. Stealth tech is not a breakthrough? Among the others listed.

Post-World War II, the United States military drove the development of nuclear weapons, missile technologies, precision munitions, computing and the internet, and stealth technologies.

Most of those came from Roswell.

1 hour ago, Tourist2 said:

The corporate lobbies that control US politicians start all of these wars.

:

China is sovereign and is doing great - productive workforce and growing economy so they don't need to start wars.

Russia is sovereign and has MASSIVE oil & gas reserves so don't need to start a war.
+

USA is Trillions in debt - completely ****ed.
EU is also in huge, unsustainable debt + no oil or gas - even more ****ed.

+

Both USA, EU (and Yookay) are ruled by business lobbies - mainly Military, Financial but also Technological.

-
Theses corporate lobbies / corporations want to capture resources but have ZERO loyalty to any country (hence the over repressentation of J's in these corporations) and use these Nation states (US, EU, UK) to start (AND FUND) wars, fake pandemics etc. to wring resources and taxpayer money into their coffers.
=
The whole Russia bad, China bad BS is just there to console us while our home nations and currencies turn to ****.

===

China is ruled by one person controlling one (so far) uncontested party. That can bring stability, but is also vulnerable if things start to go wrong.

China has a massive problem in that the main way the population invest money is buying property, and that sector is in serious trouble for the sixth year running.

Another huge problem it faces is demographic. The "one child" policy was so effective that the population faces a "drop off a clip" scenario.

Russia is ruled by a violent and brutal dictator with no obvious political heir, and who has started a war against a neighboring country, a war it is about to lose.

Russia does have a lot of oil and gas, but that's about it. It's very vulnerable to price fluctuations and sanctions, both the common type and the more spectacular one, courtesy of the Ukrainians.

When Russia finally loses this war Putin will either run away or be killed. Hopefully the latter, as that's exactly what he deserves.

Anything else you're confused about, let me know. Glad to help!

Edited June 26Jun 26 by BLMFem

18 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

China is ruled by one person controlling one (so far) uncontested party. That can bring stability, but is also vulnerable if things start to go wrong.

China has a massive problem in that the main way the population invest money is buying property, and that sector is in serious trouble for the sixth year running.

Another huge problem it faces is demographic. The "one child" policy was so effective that the population faces a "drop off a clip" scenario.

Russia is ruled by a violent and brutal dictator with no obvious political heir, and who has started a war against a neighboring country, a war it is about to lose.

Russia does have a lot of oil and gas, but that's about it. It's very vulnerable to price fluctuations and sanctions, both the common type and the more spectacular one, courtesy of the Ukrainians.

When Russia finally loses this war Putin will either run away or be killed. Hopefully the latter, as that's exactly what he deserves.

Anything else you're confused about, let me know. Glad to help!

I listen to the experts - not some goofball ex-Roofer / current monger living in Kanchanaburi like yourself.

Maybe try to prise your head out of your **** and watch the interview.
Here's another one for people who are actually interested in what's going on in real life rather than in your MSM delusion bubble regurgitations

7 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

I listen to the experts - not some goofball ex-Roofer / current monger living in Kanchanaburi like yourself.

Maybe try to prise your head out of your **** and watch the interview.
Here's another one for people who are actually interested in what's going on in real life rather than in your MSM delusion bubble regurgitations

Ah, one of the "I'm doing my own research" crowd. Not the brightest lights in the night sky.😆

But hey, if you feel like a cross between Sherlock Holmes and Albert Einstein trawling the murky corners of Youtube for "the truth" then knock yourself out!

2 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

I listen to the experts - not some goofball ex-Roofer / current monger living in Kanchanaburi like yourself.

Maybe try to prise your head out of your **** and watch the interview.
Here's another one for people who are actually interested in what's going on in real life rather than in your MSM delusion bubble regurgitations

I watched 10 minutes of it. Enough for me to conclude that there are lots of words which individually make sense. When then placed in a sentence they sort of make sense ("MSM delusion bubble regurgitations" wouldn't be out of place in this video).

The problem occurs when these sentences are placed together to form a theory (premise, argument, conclusion). The whole thing then becomes utter gibberish.

All of this can be simplifyed. The US now pays more to service their national dept (only interest payement) than the US spends on defense.

Empires rise and fall.

8 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Russia is sovereign and has MASSIVE oil & gas reserves so don't need to start a war.

Suuure!

Oh wait! They already did! 🤣

6 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Ah, one of the "I'm doing my own research" crowd. Not the brightest lights in the night sky.😆

But hey, if you feel like a cross between Sherlock Holmes and Albert Einstein trawling the murky corners of Youtube for "the truth" then knock yourself out!

We all know what it means: unchecked crap from SM posts and Youtubers. 🤣

6 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Ah, one of the "I'm doing my own research" crowd. Not the brightest lights in the night sky.😆

But hey, if you feel like a cross between Sherlock Holmes and Albert Einstein trawling the murky corners of Youtube for "the truth" then knock yourself out!

Like posting people's tweets as truth ?

10 hours ago, nauseus said:

What is sad is that you seem to have selectively missed out on so many other computing and scientific pioneers

Also that you think that radar is used to locate submarines.

And that Germany developed stealth aircraft. The only World War II aircraft possessing "stealth" characteristics was the German Horten Ho229 that never saw full industrial production or combat and the design was not intentionally "stealthy" anyway.

I did not; I reacted solely to the list of blaze master; well, we agree that his list was very badly thought-through, if at all.

I specifically mentioned the names of the coatings used; look it up. stealth airplanes would have been the next step... but we agree, the Ho229 was rather accidentally a stealth plane, more due to its form factor than previous planning, so would not count, even if it would have been built in numbers.

And with regard to radar and submarines, seemingly you do not know this:

"In WWII, radar alone could not detect fully submerged submarines; it was primarily used by aircraft to spot surfaced U-boats or exposed equipment. Because early submarines relied on diesel engines that required air, they spent most of the war on the surface charging batteries."

Hence, the Kriegsmarine experimented with anti-radar coatings not just for aircraft, but also for submarines.

Germany did not quite manage to create the first nuclear-powered submarines which would have made this superfluous indeed, but they were in the planning stage end of 1944.

Funny enough, Heisenberg who did those plannings, got rather famous for his part in the Manhattan project, so you can bet that he would have gotten there on his own if Germany would not have been defeated (which I am not unhappy about, just to make that clear).

Edited June 26Jun 26 by jts-khorat

11 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

Germany did not quite manage to create the first nuclear-powered submarines which would have made this superfluous indeed, but they were in the planning stage end of 1944.

Germany was not even close to building a nuclear-powered submarine. They lacked the resources to do so. Anyway, the war was over by the end of 1944. Germany should have surrendered at the end of 1944.

The fall of US hegemony? One can only hope.

Let the rest of the world start carrying their own financial weight. It was fine after the war when all of Europe and Asia were on their knees. But it's time for them to put on their big boy pants and for the US taxpayer to quit funding (for example) LGBTQ projects in Lower Slobovia.

So what if we "lose influence"? What we're really giving up is the illusion of influence. Or is it the delusion of influence?

10 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

I did not; I reacted solely to the list of blaze master; well, we agree that his list was very badly thought-through, if at all.

I specifically mentioned the names of the coatings used; look it up. stealth airplanes would have been the next step... but we agree, the Ho229 was rather accidentally a stealth plane, more due to its form factor than previous planning, so would not count, even if it would have been built in numbers.

And with regard to radar and submarines, seemingly you do not know this:

"In WWII, radar alone could not detect fully submerged submarines; it was primarily used by aircraft to spot surfaced U-boats or exposed equipment. Because early submarines relied on diesel engines that required air, they spent most of the war on the surface charging batteries."

Hence, the Kriegsmarine experimented with anti-radar coatings not just for aircraft, but also for submarines.

Germany did not quite manage to create the first nuclear-powered submarines which would have made this superfluous indeed, but they were in the planning stage end of 1944.

Funny enough, Heisenberg who did those plannings, got rather famous for his part in the Manhattan project, so you can bet that he would have gotten there on his own if Germany would not have been defeated (which I am not unhappy about, just to make that clear).

"We" don't agree on much of anything, except for your self-admitted errors.

Radar was in early-stage development in WW2 and was never particularly useful to locate submerged vessels back then, or even submarines on the surface, due to the limited physical target presented, which was often impossible to fix due to sea-clutter (which would have been the rule rather the exception in the Atlantic) where most of the German boats preyed on allied convoys.

In WW2, carrier and long range shore-based aircraft provided cover near convoys and visually assisted convoy vessels in spotting submarines at or near the surface. The positions of these U Boats were quickly relayed to all allied ships and commands. Some maritime aircraft were capable of immediate attacks using depth charges. There were few radars fitted to these aircraft and locating/positioning accuracy from same was limited. Sonar became better developed on destroyer escorts, which became very good at hunting U Boats, using sonar as their primary tool later in the war.

12 hours ago, blaze master said:

Like posting people's tweets as truth ?

You mean tweets that contain links to recognized sources of news and information? Yes.

On 6/25/2026 at 7:37 PM, blaze master said:

The entirety of human civilization has been formed by conquest.

The USA has proved to be exceptionally poor at "conquest"!

17 hours ago, swissie said:

All of this can be simplifyed. The US now pays more to service their national dept (only interest payement) than the US spends on defense.

Empires rise and fall.

Even simpler- they're buggered!

On 6/25/2026 at 7:22 PM, BLMFem said:

It's over. It was fairly good while it lasted. What's most surprising is how easily it all imploded. One demagogue, a snake oil salesman, a person completely free of any scruples and morals, willing to tell however many lies it would take, and a population in which sizeable chunk was receptive to a Pied Piper's vile tunes.

In the future, volume upon volume will be written about this period, not so much focusing on Trump but on how all the millions of people with 6 teeth got tricked into fighting for the people with 6 yachts.

'The rise and fall of US hegemony'

https://www.ft.com/content/5a9fed66-57fa-4f7b-bce9-f5519bd1d84b

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Xi Jinping can smile."

IMHO as an 80-year old American former military in VN for a couple of years and worked for the government another 36 years, i feel that since VN days, the decline of the US on all sides began and has picked up speed as more and more people sought ways to enrich themselves without actually earning it. The current administration is packed with nothing but folks of this nature IMHO. I watch the Congressional hearings questioning senior administrative folks who have no real idea of what their agency is supposed to be doing nor how to continue firing people without just cause - or as I keep hearing, folks are asked who won the 2020 election and if one says Biden then "you need to look for another job". Folks are advisors to senior folks like the Secretary of WAR he is called today, his closest advisor, a former lawyer, named as a naval officer (though without serving) as all those officers are supposedly cleared already but being named not so and sits on a desk right at the SecWar's shoulder, goes to all the meetings and such a clearance requires no contacts with foreign folks, and takes 6-12 months to finish but which has never begun in this instant, is a former lawyer against the military in a well known case, has foreign clients and yet sits in the SCIF for classified briefings. The congressional hearing on this was covered in a YOUTUBE video today and the SecWAR didn't have any ideas about the guy at all except saying he was a "good guy"! Nothing but scary things like this on a daily basis. Just look at the Epstein Files coverup - more than just this administration too and wonder if we will ever see the end of those as more and more rich and powerful push Trump to even more to block it. Anyway if one wonders just how much it is spreading, check out the Congressional hearings/findings. Even so, the president continues ignoring the US Constitution and the courts keep letting him slide along but if he voters are awake in November and Trump can't stop the elections in all the states, his days will be numbered and many of those within his administration too will be impeached IMHO.

Well the americans are responisble for some achivements !! like C8 ! which is in the blood of 98%of the world population

49 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Well the americans are responisble for some achivements !! like C8 ! which is in the blood of 98%of the world population

Who or what is a "C8"?

1 minute ago, Why bother said:

Who or what is a "C8"?

C8 is a Forever poisons called"teflon" invented by DuPont in America

3 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

C8 is a Forever poisons called"teflon" invented by DuPont in America

From AI;

C8 can refer to a complement protein in the immune system, the Chevrolet Corvette C8 sports car, a U.S. asylum work permit category, or a vitamin supplement blend, depending on context.

7 minutes ago, Why bother said:

From AI;

C8 can refer to a complement protein in the immune system, the Chevrolet Corvette C8 sports car, a U.S. asylum work permit category, or a vitamin supplement blend, depending on context.

C8 ref the number of carbon atom 8 in this case is a short name the chemical name is perfluorooctanoic acid or common name Teflon which is what they call a forver posion which thanks to the Americans is in the blood of 98% of humans

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

C8 ref the number of carbon atom 8 in this case is a short name the chemical name is perfluorooctanoic acid or common name Teflon which is what they call a forver posion which thanks to the Americans is in the blood of 98% of humans

And what is the relevance of either your original obscure post or your even more obscure responses to my question/posts with regard to the topic under discussion?