It's over. It was fairly good while it lasted. What's most surprising is how easily it all imploded. One demagogue, a snake oil salesman, a person completely free of any scruples and morals, willing to tell however many lies it would take, and a population in which sizeable chunk was receptive to a Pied Piper's vile tunes.

In the future, volume upon volume will be written about this period, not so much focusing on Trump but on how all the millions of people with 6 teeth got tricked into fighting for the people with 6 yachts.

'The rise and fall of US hegemony'

https://www.ft.com/content/5a9fed66-57fa-4f7b-bce9-f5519bd1d84b

https://archive.ph/Vj9OC

""Today, on the eve of its 250th birthday, the US and the world order it created are in crisis. In the US, the administration is corrupt, incompetent and, most important, hostile to the norms and values that animated the founding fathers. The Declaration of Independence proclaimed liberation from tyrants. Donald Trump wants to be one.

Xi Jinping can smile."

5 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

In the future, volume upon volume will be written about this period

Still, American exceptionalism.

The USA were a brutal genocidal force taking land from native people just coming out of the stone age, then a minor imperial power in the footsteps of the british, never actually managed true democracy, had some industrial success due to the incessant divisions between the Europeans, and -- for a short time -- lived far beyond their means and status in the world due to China being slow in its development uptake.

Looking at its supposed military dominance, this was already a very expensive failure from Vietnam onwards, down to being a total laughing stock now to people with small boats or Kalashnikovs.

China is awake now, and the USA immediately starts to fall, imploding due to its devastating lack of education and unearned hubris. In the end, it was mainly the Americans who believed they are superior, and madman Trump is just the last and not even overly important of very many symptoms of this disease.

One might say, even with political madmen, the Americans were not able to do a proper job.

In summary, not much to write about it, its 250 years were but an (uninteresting and regrettable) blip in human history and soon not more than a cringy footnote of failure in the world's history books.

Edited June 25Jun 25 by jts-khorat

3 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

Still, American exceptionalism.

The USA were a brutal genocidal force taking land from native people just coming out of the stone age, then a minor imperial power in the footsteps of the british, had some industrial success due to the incessant divisions between the Europeans, and -- for a short time -- lived far beyond their means and status in the world due to China being slow in its development uptake.

Looking at its supposed military dominance, this was already a very expansive failure form Vietnam onwards, down to being a total laughing stock now to people with small boats.

China is awake now, and the USA immediately starts to fall, imploding due to its devastating lack of education and unearned hubris. In the end, it was mainly the Americans who believed they are superior, and madman Trump is just the last and not even overly important of very many symptoms of this disease.

In summary, not much to write about it, its 250 years were but an (uininteresting) blip in human history and soon not more than a cringy footnote of failure in the world's history books.

The entirety of human civilization has been formed by conquest.

2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

The entirety of human civilization has been formed by conquest.

Not wrong, but what have the USA truly achieved even in this regard?

They could massacre Native Indians with their bow and arrows, but the Spanish arguably could do that already better.

They fought in World War II, true, but they mainly watched from the sidelines until even the Soviets looked like better fighters. Their "superior" weapons technology is basically German in origin to this day, without any major invention breakthrough since World War II (at least, if you do not count making stuff simply "bigger" as an invention).

In Vietnam, they did such a bad job, that from then on nobody -- neither the Afghans nor the Iranians -- had any respect for them.

The OP said, much will be written about this. I do not think so -- as soon as the Americans have imploded, all interest in them will wane rapidly to nothing.

Edited June 25Jun 25 by jts-khorat

16 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

The USA were a brutal genocidal force taking land from native people just coming out of the stone age, then a minor imperial power in the footsteps of the british, never actually managed true democracy, had some industrial success due to the incessant divisions between the Europeans, and -- for a short time -- lived far beyond their means and status in the world due to China being slow in its development uptake.

Why would someone from Germany dare criticize another country of genocide? Are you even self ware?

9 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

They could massacre Native Indians with their bow and arrows, but the Spanish arguably could do that already better.

Just the German massacred the jews, poles, etc?

16 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

Looking at its supposed military dominance, this was already a very expensive failure from Vietnam onwards,

Well, yeah .. tho' Gulf War I went OK. But, more importantly, the US was instrumental in kicking Germany's butts in WWI and II. So, stick that in your sauerkraut and suck on it.

12 minutes ago, JimGant said:

Well, yeah .. tho' Gulf War I went OK. But, more importantly, the US was instrumental in kicking Germany's butts in WWI and II. So, stick that in your sauerkraut and suck on it.

We need to remind him what we still occupy his country.

32 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

Their "superior" weapons technology is basically German in origin to this day, without any major invention breakthrough since World War II (at least, if you do not count making stuff simply "bigger" as an invention).

This just isn't true at all. Stealth tech is not a breakthrough? Among the others listed.

Post-World War II, the United States military drove the development of nuclear weapons, missile technologies, precision munitions, computing and the internet, and stealth technologies.

1 hour ago, TedG said:

Why would someone from Germany dare criticize another country of genocide? Are you even self ware?

should mean all of europe, who exploited, killed and murdered all over the world for profit.

germans are the worst of a bad lot though in terms of sheer sadism

thank god we have those murderous animals under control.

Edited June 25Jun 25 by Yagoda

The US is over in your dream yeah. Their hegemony will last very long as well as the USD. All the Brics worth peanuts. Tell me anything inventive, innovative that came out of Brics? America still lead in every ways. They just need to get rid of Trump and get back to work.

It's not so much that the US is falling, it's that China is rising and will dominate the world. The only question is when?

8 minutes ago, candide said:

It's not so much that the US is falling, it's that China is rising and will dominate the world. The only question is when?

8 minutes ago, candide said:

It's not so much that the US is falling, it's that China is rising and will dominate the world. The only question is when?

Maybe, maybe not. China has an aging population, and the one-child policy is biting them in the butt.

The Rise And Fall Of US Hegemony

I'm sure that US hegemony will go out kicking and screaming, and like a dying elephant it will flatten all that is within reach.

"They make a desert and call in 'peace.'"

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

should mean all of europe, who exploited, killed and murdered all over the world for profit.

germans are the worst of a bad lot though in terms of sheer sadism

thank god we have those murderous animals under control.

And nobody else did that stuff, right?

Predictably the whataboutism crowd is out in force with this one.

I laughed (and despaired) at the analogy of the 6 tooth people fighting for the 6 yacht crowd.

18 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

I laughed (and despaired) at the analogy of the 6 tooth people fighting for the 6 yacht crowd.

WTF does this reply have to do with this topic?

18 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Predictably the whataboutism crowd is out in force with this one.

Indeed.

Perish the thought but it's as though some of those commenting haven't even bothered to read the linked FT article.

3 hours ago, candide said:

It's not so much that the US is falling, it's that China is rising and will dominate the world. The only question is when

thats your goal evidently. as always, you guys will be the first to surrender

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

And nobody else did that stuff, right?

the huns and the mongols, but europe made it an art

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

should mean all of europe, who exploited, killed and murdered all over the world for profit.

germans are the worst of a bad lot though in terms of sheer sadism

thank god we have those murderous animals under control.

Yagoda is the name of the biggest mass murderer in history.

Like the one on here he was Jewish.
The Bolshevik Jews killed 60 million

The Germans saw what the Bolsheciks were doing and had to take action.

Germans are a great people and calling them 'murderous animals ' is standard jewish clipped ween priojection - esp in light of the Gaxza genocide ...
but they never learn - that's why theyve been kicked out of 109 states so far.

Be careful though or they'll send their mo'sad krav maga jew jitsu experts to assisnate you!

Edited June 25Jun 25 by Tourist2

11 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Yagoda is the name of the biggest mass murderer in history.

Like the one on here he was Jewish.
The Bolshevik Jews killed 60 million

The Germans saw what the Bolsheciks were doing and had to take action.

Germans are a great people and calling the 'murderous animals ' is standard jewish clipped ween priojection - esp in light of the Gaxza genocide ...
but they never learn - that's why theyve been kicked out of 109 states so far.

Be careful though or they'll send their mo'sad krav maga jew jitsu experts to assisnate you!

damn. we got a real young shicklgruber here hahaha.

bet you live looking over your shoulder haha

oh was lenin jewish? shicklgruber might have been

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

damn. we got a real young shicklgruber here hahaha.

bet you live looking over your shoulder haha

oh was lenin jewish? shicklgruber might have been

Germans are a great people and calling them 'murderous animals ' is standard jewish clipped ween priojection - esp in light of the Gaxza genocide ...
but they never learn - that's why theyve been kicked out of 109 states so far.

Bolsheviks were jews -

Here's a documnetary on your hero - fellow mentally ill jew genriikh yagoda

Anyone who names themselves after yagoda is a very sick puppy.

Oh vey! best call captain helmet

Edited June 25Jun 25 by Tourist2

10 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Bolsheviks were jews -

lol you sure are ignorant, which of course is par for your ilk.

scared of jews are ya? mossad coming to get ya lol

6 hours ago, blaze master said:

This just isn't true at all. Stealth tech is not a breakthrough? Among the others listed.

Post-World War II, the United States military drove the development of nuclear weapons, missile technologies, precision munitions, computing and the internet, and stealth technologies.

Stealth is a breakthrough -- derived from inventions by the German Luftwaffe who were the first to experiment with radar-absorbent coatings (such as Sumpf and Schornsteinfeger) to reduce radar signatures of airplanes and submarines. The first functioning computer was the Zuse in 1941 (you guessed it, NOT American), binary numbers were first thought of by Leibniz. Internet packaging was developed at CERN, the first email sent by a professor in Germany.

And nukes... the USA and Russia both would not have gotten off the ground, literally, without poaching as many German scientists as they could get their hands on. Rockets... the V2 anyone? Heisenberg, you saw the movie?

Everything that came after in US research builds on this foundation, without really very much that was not already thought of and at least theorized in Germany before and during World War II.

The Americans have been really good at copying, stealing and maybe a litte bit of refinement, but they have rested on those laurels now for 75 years.

That you do not know that and bring examples of technologies that do only prove my point so clearly shows -- to me -- that the USA lacks so much education and the average American is so brain-washed that they really believe, in their heart, that all this is American, while you people are simply abusers and users of other peoples good work.

To sum it up: it is sad, and very much embarassing, what you posted here.

4 hours ago, TedG said:

Maybe, maybe not. China has an aging population, and the one-child policy is biting them in the butt.

World wars happened over resources. People are resources. China needs more of them.

Russia invaded Ukraine because basically it needs more Russians; Russia has appalling demographic trends, but Russian face becoming a minority to non-Rus.

China is extremely ethno-nationalist, as the people of Hong Kong discovered. Thousands of people, not of Chinese ethnicity, mostly of Indian or Malaysian ethnicity, but who had been in the territory for generations, found themselves stateless in 1997.

We might pick on the Mao policy as the cause, but all three Chinese countries show similar, aging populations In fact, Taiwan is the oldest population followed by Singapore.

Tensions within Han Chinese society will drive calls for unification of Chinese peoples. Not just Taiwan. But why no parts of Thailand, parts of Russia.

As Chinese society ages, there will be effects on the workforce. That will drive development in robotics, probably giving them a technological advantage over societies that have less need to automate, such as the US, which still has plenty of kids to turn into factory drones.

Automation of a society is incredibly expensive. China needs to stay rich literally for national survival. Without that revenue it can't innovate its way out of a demographic Gordian knot.

So what happens if someone tries to stop that, such as forcing Chinese companies to leave certain countries, by effective trade blockades. Japan attacked the US because it thought the US was going to threaten its access to resources essential to its national survival.

Wars never start for good reasons, and those who start wars are rarely in control of how it finishes. When the Kaiser invaded Belgium in 1914, did he think it might end with him in exile, and his country impoverished? When Hitler staged the incident on the Polish border in September 1939, did he think it would end with him blowing his brains out in the ruins of Berlin 6 years later. And so on.

When America transitioned from a training mission in South Vietnam, they probably didn't think it would end with marines evacuating on the last Huey out of Vietnam 10 years later, 50,000 dead and a country that was split for a generation, and psychologically scarred for multiple generations.

Russia is going to lose their war. They are not going to achieve their aims. They might call a halt to hostilities, but they won't have won anything. There is nothing worth anything in the decrepit statelet of the Donbass. Ukraine is guaranteed victory, if the definition of victory is that Ukrainians survive as Ukrainian.

If China starts a war, chances are it won't end well for China, and it will probably be a terrible idea for China. But at that point, China will probably feel it had no choice. I suspect President Trump felt the same with Iran, if you go with Rubio's line that the Israelis were launching an attack unilaterally.

So when I hear about demographic challenges in China, it doesn't fill me with hope, but with dread. China might lose a war, but the winners will likely not feel like they won anything.

5 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

Stealth is a breakthrough -- derived from inventions by the German Luftwaffe who were the first to experiment with radar-absorbent coatings (such as Sumpf and Schornsteinfeger) to reduce radar signatures of airplanes and submarines. The first functioning computer was the Zuse in 1941 (you guessed it, NOT American), binary numbers were first thought of by Leibniz. Internet packaging was developed at CERN, the first email sent by a professor in Germany.

And nukes... the USA and Russia both would not have gotten off the ground, literally, without poaching as many German scientists as they could get their hands on. Rockets... the V2 anyone? Heisenberg, you saw the movie?

Everything that came after in US research builds on this foundation, without really very much that was not already thought of and at least theorized in Germany before and during World War II.

The Americans have been really good at copying, stealing and maybe a litte bit of refinement, but they have rested on those laurels now for 75 years.

That you do not know that and bring examples of technologies that do only prove my point so clearly shows -- to me -- that the USA lacks so much education and the average American is so brain-washed that they really believe, in their heart, that all this is American, while you people are simply abusers and users of other peoples good work.

To sum it up: it is sad, and very much embarassing, what you posted here.

Look up Slater the Traitor; its an example of industrial espionage that enabled the US to move from an agrarian slave based economy to an industrial economy. King Cotton is at the heart of the American story.

1 hour ago, TedG said:

WTF does this reply have to do with this topic?

It's from the OP and is a descriptive of the main players in the US hegemony. Did you read the OP?

22 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

Stealth is a breakthrough -- derived from inventions by the German Luftwaffe who were the first to experiment with radar-absorbent coatings (such as Sumpf and Schornsteinfeger) to reduce radar signatures of airplanes and submarines. The first functioning computer was the Zuse in 1941 (you guessed it, NOT American), binary numbers were first thought of by Leibniz. Internet packaging was developed at CERN, the first email sent by a professor in Germany.

And nukes... the USA and Russia both would not have gotten off the ground, literally, without poaching as many German scientists as they could get their hands on. Rockets... the V2 anyone? Heisenberg, you saw the movie?

Everything that came after in US research builds on this foundation, without really very much that was not already thought of and at least theorized in Germany before and during World War II.

The Americans have been really good at copying, stealing and maybe a litte bit of refinement, but they have rested on those laurels now for 75 years.

That you do not know that and bring examples of technologies that do only prove my point so clearly shows -- to me -- that the USA lacks so much education and the average American is so brain-washed that they really believe, in their heart, that all this is American, while you people are simply abusers and users of other peoples good work.

To sum it up: it is sad, and very much embarassing, what you posted here.

Many of the things you mention happened in America...a country of immigrants.

10 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Many of the things you mention happened in America...a country of immigrants.

No, literally nothing I mentioned happened in the USA. Do you really don't know?