2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

The thing is, I haven't heard it claimed that anyone harshly criticizing the Burmese govt policy also hates ethnic Burmese.

Whereas harsh attacks on the Israeli govt policy are routinely characterized as anti-semitic.

Poster only ever criticise the Israeli Government .

They arent bothered about Myanmar .

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The problem for the whole Jewish community of the World is the whole World can see through Social Media feeds numerous real time videos, news feeds of people being killed and maimed in Gaza and all the "Occupied Territory's" of Israel and other parts of the Middle East.

Israel will not allow reports of any incidents by any News outlets that are not approved by them is another factor, as well as numerous posts of IDF soldiers posting shocking videos of what they have done while chasing Hamas in Gaza.

The narrative Israel has always been "we have the most moral army" just won't wash anymore.

Can I also say, I believe Israel has lost the propaganda side of this, no matter what they do, in the past their suffering during the last World War, the Holocaust, gave them justifiable Worldwide sympathy, this has now over time been diluted due to a younger generation being very savvy on the communication front, and a lack of honesty from "Main Stream Media".

Yet again, you are intentionally NOT SEPARATING Israeli government policies and every Jewish person and every Jewish space in the entire world (who often now must add extra security). That is a DISGUSTING exercise in promoting hatred and violence against each and every random Jewish person in the world. That is very very wrong.

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You are of course correct in that. But one of the points being made was that harsh criticism of Israel is in and of itself being construed as anti-Semitic. And that standard has been adopted by many governments and non-governmental bodies.

That is garbage.
Of course normal criticism of the Isreali government just as you would criticize any other misbehaving government is not Jew hatred.

But it doesn't take an Einstein to hear the actual attacks on Israel and how VERY OFTEN they infected with Jew hatred on top of the normal criticism, and also very often extremely so, especially now.

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

No they are not .

Posters frequently make Anti semitic posts , then claim they were "only criticising the Israeli Government"

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Poster only ever criticise the Israeli Government .

They arent bothered about Myanmar .

Not referring to aseannow.com. But to the situation worldwide as typified by a widely adopted definition of anti-semitism that says that unfair criticism of Israel amounts to anti-semtitism. Here's a link to a paper published by Irwin Cotler, presumably the eponymous Irwin Cotler who features in the name of the 2 institutions that collaborated in this report. He makes clear that anti-zionism in his view is a form of anti-semitism.

https://isgap.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ISGAP-Working-Papers-Booklet-Cotler-09-copy.pdf

It's odd that in the report released nowhere could I find a definition of ant-semitism. One would think that it should be right up front. Here's a link to the report: https://cst.tau.ac.il/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Data.pdf

According to AI, for what it's worth, both institutions subscribe to the IHRA definition. Here's a link to that:

https://holocaustremembrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/IHRA-non-legally-binding-working-definition-of-antisemitism-1.pdf

Here's the few that are controversial because they are political in nature and not about villification of Jews.

• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

4 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

The attempts to silence criticism of Israeli military activities in the Mideast by labeling this criticism as anti-Semitic has likely helped contribute to the rise of anti-Semitic violence. People take to violence when they feel their voices aren’t being heard.

I call B.S,

Such criticism is louder than ever.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That is garbage.
Of course normal criticism of the Isreali government just as you would criticize any other misbehaving government is not Jew hatred.

But it doesn't take an Einstein to hear the actual attacks on Israel and how VERY OFTEN they infected with Jew hatred on top of the normal criticism, and also very often extremely so, especially now.

And when they are infected with expressions of Jew hatred, then they are anti-semitic. But I just linked to the full IHRA defnition and I cited the politically controversial ones.

For instance, I could compare Israel to the Nazis because of the practice or collective punishment which is outlawed by the Geneva Convention. This is inflicted on Palestinians who are deemed to have committed terrorist or anti-social acts but not on Jewish Israelis deemed to have done the same.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And when they are infected with expressions of Jew hatred, then they are anti-semitic. But I just linked to the full IHRA defnition and I cited the politically controversial ones.

For instance, I could compare Israel to the Nazis because of the practice or collective punishment which is outlawed by the Geneva Convention. This is inflicted on Palestinians who are deemed to have committed terrorist or anti-social acts but not on Jewish Israelis deemed to have done the same.

You're being absurd.

It's not about written definitions.

It's about what's happening in the real word, and right now Jew haters have come out of the closet more so than anytime since the Nazi reich.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You're being absurd.

It's not about written definitions.

It's about what's happening in the real word, and right now Jew haters have come out of the closet more so than anytime since the Nazi reich.

No doubt that Jew Haters are encouraged now. But does that mean that all critics or most critics of Israel are Jew haters? Is it invalid to compare the violence that Jewish settlers are inflicting on Palestinians on the West bank, often with the active complicity of the armed forces, to Kristallnacht? I should add that sometimes it's the Israeli armed forces doing the inflicting.

1 hour ago, BonnieandClyde said:

Exceptionally good post.

Concise and to the point.

The simple truth, clearly stated is the best way to cut through the fog of propaganda in all its forms, overt and covert.

This thread isn't about Gaza war though and its worth pointing out that the poster you replied to @Jeff the Chef supported the murder of Israeli babies and the rape of Israeli woman

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

No doubt that Jew Haters are encouraged now. But does that mean that all critics or most critics of Israel are Jew haters? Is it invalid to compare the violence that Jewish settlers are inflicting on Palestinians on the West bank, often with the active complicity of the armed forces, to Kristallnacht? I should add that sometimes it's the Israeli armed forces doing the inflicting.

STOP IT!

Of course it doesn't mean that that all critics of Israel are Jew haters!

Some are, some aren't, impossible to give a percentage.

The reality is that some criticism of Israel is clean, some is vile hatred, and a good portion are in grey areas.

Bur it also doesn't mean that it's OK to hate on or attack a Jewish schoolboy in Canada.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

STOP IT!

Of course it doesn't mean that that all critics of Israel are Jew haters!

Some are, some aren't, impossible to give a percentage.

The reality is that some criticism of Israel is clean, some is vile hatred, and a good portion are in grey areas.

Bur it also doesn't mean that it's OK to hate on or attack a Jewish schoolboy in Canada.

STOP What?

Most of the definition I believe is fair and accurate. I specifically pointed to the political portions of that definition. Which points to a problem with this report. Not explicitly stating what the criteria are for an incident to qualify as anti-semitic, and categorizing incidents as such, this makes the claims impossible to evaluate. At the least, they could have done that.

That said, I have no doubt that anti-semitism is becoming more widespread and acceptable. Even in the USA. It's absolutely heinous to physically attack or cast slurs against Jewish people because of the policies of Israel. But by insisting that Israel and the Jewish people are categorically intertwined, organizations whose mission is to oppose anti-semitism actually fuel anti-semitism.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

STOP What?

Most of the definition I believe is fair and accurate. I specifically pointed to the political portions of that definition. Which points to a problem with this report. Not explicitly stating what the criteria are for an incident to qualify as anti-semitic, and categorizing incidents as such, this makes the claims impossible to evaluate. At the least, they could have done that.

That said, I have no doubt that anti-semitism is becoming more widespread and acceptable. Even in the USA. It's absolutely heinous to physically attack or cast slurs against Jewish people because of the policies of Israel. But by insisting that Israel and the Jewish people are categorically intertwined, organizations whose mission is to oppose anti-semitism actually fuel anti-semitism.

It appeared to me that you were making a specious straw man argument. Thus I said stop it.

7 hours ago, JingerBen said:

If the US and Israel succeed in destroying the military capability and civilian infrastructure of all the countries in the Middle East that oppose Zionist expansion, then the conflict will turn asymmetrical.

Diaspora Jews and their institutions will be targeted worldwide.

The large Muslim populations of western countries are likely to carry on a fight that they see as a threat to their religion and their very existence.

Exactly.

You're right on the money.

Be careful what you wish for, Zionists - you might just get it - good and hard and all over the world.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Poster only ever criticise the Israeli Government .

They arent bothered about Myanmar .

First of all, I doubt that's true. But even if it was true, Myanmar is not an ally of the United States. It isn't the recipient of billions of dollars worth of US aid.

Diaspora Jews are already a target and they have been for a long time.

That isn't news.

The question for some is whether all Jews in the world DESERVE to be conflated with Israeli government policies and actions and thus DESERVE to be targets.

Obviously not but also quite obviously many people think all Jews everywhere DO deserve that.

Jew hatred in action.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yet again, you are intentionally NOT SEPARATING Israeli government policies and every Jewish person and every Jewish space in the entire world (who often now must add extra security). That is a DISGUSTING exercise in promoting hatred and violence against each and every random Jewish person in the world. That is very very wrong.

I'm sorry you feel like that.

My post was from the heart, in as much as I was trying to convey from a normal persons (whatever a normal person is these days) point of view how the situation is in the real World, in relation to how people see the carnage that is happening in the Middle East.

Now, can you look at the problem without your Israel is great, and can do no wrong, hat on?

I know there are many Jews all around the World who do not agree with Israeli practices in and around the Middle East, they are the ones I feel sorry for because they are having to contend with this problem, alongside those that fully support Israel.

Yes, I agree it is wrong, but human nature is what it is.

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I'm sorry you feel like that.

My post was from the heart, in as much as I was trying to convey from a normal persons (whatever a normal person is these days) point of view how the situation is in the real World, in relation to how people see the carnage that is happening in the Middle East.

Now, can you look at the problem without your Israel is great, and can do no wrong, hat on?

I know there are many Jews all around the World who do not agree with Israeli practices in and around the Middle East, they are the ones I feel sorry for because they are having to contend with this problem, alongside those that fully support Israel.

Yes, I agree it is wrong, but human nature is what it is.

More outrageous straw man garbage@

I never said Istael can do no wrong!

Where did you pick up that idiocy?

I have been against Netanyahu and the right wing Israeli government for a long time and have often posted about that.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This thread isn't about Gaza war though and its worth pointing out that the poster you replied to @Jeff the Chef supported the murder of Israeli babies and the rape of Israeli woman

Well done Nick, wouldn't have expected any less from you, muddying the waters as usual.

If Israel didn't do this that or the other all around there undesignated patch of land, there would be nothing to debate, Ok, I know there is a recognised border with Egypt and Jordon, but what about the rest.

For those not familiar with Nick and I's on going discussions on the troubles in the Middle East, how long is it now 3 years?

As usual he will defend Israel to infinity and beyond, whereas I will defend all Israeli enemies, we will never agree on many things in this regard, not my problem as I am against any failure of Israel to comply with International Law.

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

More outrageous straw man garbage@

I never said Istael can do no wrong!

Where did you pick up that idiocy?

I have been against Netanyahu and the right wing Israeli government for a long time and have often posted about that.

As I said, I'm sorry you feel the way you do, I will say no more.

11 hours ago, impulse said:

It's not just the fatalities. It's the number of attacks attributed to "antisemitism".

Canada also reported a rise, with incidents increasing from 6,219 in 2024 to 6,800 in 2025 — more than three times the level recorded in 2022.

Remind me... What has happened between 2022 and 2025?

Personally, I believe they're deliberately conflating "Anti-Israel" with "Antisemitic", but what do I know?

Anit-State of Israel is NOT antisemitism, by any means.

There are far too many Jews in America, these days, who are anit-support for Israel.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yet again, you are intentionally NOT SEPARATING Israeli government policies and every Jewish person and every Jewish space in the entire world (who often now must add extra security). That is a DISGUSTING exercise in promoting hatred and violence against each and every random Jewish person in the world. That is very very wrong.

And are you not ignoring the cause? Can Palestinians add extra security?

The generic "antisemitic " dismissal of Israeli criticism is worn out already!

Humanitarian principles override religious considerations in the consciousness of the majority of people of any race, creed, religious affiliation. White superiority is duplicated in "chosen" by those who seek dominance accorded by self.

That is why subtle support at minimum is offered even to an Islamic regime guilty of horrendus oppression within its own territory against aggression from a globally based Jewish political cabal.

What about all the land grabbing, murdering and genocide against the palestinians ? It's a never ending story with violent and criminal elements on both sides.

21 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

There are far too many Jews in America, these days, who are anit-support for Israel.

Many Israelis do not support their govt and many have fleed or would flee if they could.

16 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Anit-State of Israel is NOT antisemitism, by any means.

There are far too many Jews in America, these days, who are anit-support for Israel.

At least you have come to recognize that unlike in past years where and when anything negative about Israel was auto antisemitic .

Inevitable when the West constantly bows and scrapes to a certain demographic.

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

As I said, I'm sorry you feel the way you do, I will say no more.

STOP LYING.

You said before what you think I think and you were 100 percent WRONG. I corrected you and you post the lame response above. Own up to your mistake.

38 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Inevitable when the West constantly bows and scrapes to a certain demographic.

What demographic is that?

Ballroom dancers?

Mormon furries?

Albino ladies who lunch?

Transgender republicans?

12 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Wow, 20 people out of 8+ billion. All of 5, if subtracting the 1 incident. I'm speechless. Not because I don't have anything to say ... but ...

16.5 million jew

0.2%

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

What demographic is that?

Ballroom dancers?

Mormon furries?

Albino ladies who lunch?

Transgender republicans?

The same demographic that detests homosexuals.

Keep supporting them though. You'll find out.

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

The same demographic that detests homosexuals.

Keep supporting them though. You'll find out.

There are so many demographics that are anti-gay. You'll need to be more specific.