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Westminster's war on pubs: Council wants to ban standing at the bar

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Westminster's war on pubs: Council wants to ban standing at the bar

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'Vertical drinking' targeted in licensing crackdown

One of Britain's busiest nightlife districts could soon see one of the oldest pub traditions disappear after Westminster Council proposed discouraging customers from standing with a drink or ordering at the bar.

The draft licensing policy recommends replacing so-called "vertical drinking" with table service, more seating and food-led hospitality, sparking outrage from pub operators, legal experts and politicians.

Traditional pubs under threat

Under the proposals, pubs would be encouraged to provide more seating and have customers order food and alcohol through waiter or waitress service rather than gathering around the bar.

The council says the changes are aimed at discouraging excessive drinking, but critics argue they would fundamentally change the character of traditional British pubs.

Licensing expert Philip Kolvin KC warned that standing at the bar allows strangers to meet and socialise naturally, calling the proposals contrary to the community spirit that has defined pubs for generations.

Mayor attacks 'anti-growth' policies

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has criticised Westminster Council's approach, describing the proposals as restrictive and harmful to London's struggling hospitality industry.

A spokesman for the Mayor said the latest plans demonstrate why new powers being granted by the Government are needed, allowing Khan to intervene in licensing decisions that could damage the capital's nightlife economy.

The new legislation, expected later this year, will enable the Mayor to "call in" controversial licensing decisions made by local councils.

No new pubs in Soho?

The draft policy goes even further by proposing that applications for new pubs, bars and entertainment venues within Soho and much of the West End's cumulative impact zone should normally be refused.

The restrictions would also apply to many late-night food outlets and venues offering live music or dancing, further alarming business owners who say London's nightlife is already under intense pressure.

Hospitality industry hits back

Business leaders have condemned the proposals as another blow to an industry still recovering from recent economic challenges.

Former Greater Manchester Night-Time Economy Adviser Sacha Lord branded Westminster Council "the most anti-hospitality council in the UK", comparing the proposals to the restrictions seen during the Covid pandemic.

The row comes amid wider concerns that community groups and local authorities are making it increasingly difficult for new hospitality businesses to open or existing venues to extend their opening hours.

Consultation now underway

Westminster Council has opened the draft policy for public consultation before any final decisions are made.

If approved in its current form, the proposals would mark one of the biggest changes to London's pub culture in decades, with critics warning they risk replacing the traditional British pub experience with a restaurant-style model that many customers neither expect nor want.

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Woah, the Muslim Mayor standing up for alcohol and entertainment venues. That's going to really confuse our right wing friends on here, some heads may explode.

I'm with Khan on this, it's a terrible terrible proposal.

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What are they doing trying to impose rules like this?

They are supposed to be Conservatives for crying out loud. Conservatism means leaving things that work alone!

If people want to go to a "bistro bar" then they will go to a "bistro bar".

If they want to go to a pub they will go to a pub.

It is simply not up to the local council to dictate.

Bloody stupid!

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Finally, long overdue. This will solve all problems plaguing England. This will restore Great Britains "grandeur" like it was during queen Victoria in no time at all.

5 hours ago, JAG said:

What are they doing trying to impose rules like this?

They are supposed to be Conservatives for crying out loud. Conservatism means leaving things that work alone!

If people want to go to a "bistro bar" then they will go to a "bistro bar".

If they want to go to a pub they will go to a pub.

It is simply not up to the local council to dictate.

Bloody stupid!

They aren't.

Statement on standing in pubs

Cllr Tim Barnes, Westminster City Council Deputy Leader and Cabinet Member for Growth and Planning, said: It is utterly ludicrous to suggest the Council is planning to "ban" people standing up in pubs. Suggesting otherwise is a wilful misreading of the policy proposals with clauses taken out of context"We want people to go out in the West End and have a good time. Our guidance is simply about encouraging venues to manage their customers so people don't pack onto pavements or excessive drinking doesn't disturb others passing by.

"The Cumulative Impact Zone is recognised as an area that has a high concentration of activity and particular policies exist for that in Westminster and the Mayor’s London-wider planning. There is a legal obligation to look at every application on its merits and we do just that, meaning we see new venues opening all the time. Again, there is little change here from the policy of previous administrations and we have seen new pubs and fast-food outlets open recently including a licence extension for the McDonald's on Leicester Square, which will now be open 24 hours despite objections from the Mayor’s police representatives. 

"We are the country's largest planning authority with some 4,000 licensed venues. We reject less than 1.5% of license applications and there is a strong desire to see thriving, profitable, venues across Westminster. 

"As we have made clear we are happy to work with the Mayor of London on licensing and have just launched our own campaign to promote nights out in Soho."

The Tories have an aversion to the principle of anyone being ‘upstanding’.

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Any elected pillock who drafts a policy with the words "vertical drinking" in it needs to lose their seat at the next elections.

49 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Tories have an aversion to the principle of anyone being ‘upstanding’.

Coming from someone who supports the Labour party with their illegitimate PM and a convicted fraudster as Deputy.

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Coming from someone who supports the Labour party with their illegitimate PM and a convicted fraudster as Deputy.

Jonny lies again.

Andy Burnham is not an illegitimate PM.

You need to at least try to get over that fact.

This is an attack on British culture.

Drinking while standing is a longstanding part of British pub culture. (Pun intended).

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Jonny lies again.

Andy Burnham is not an illegitimate PM.

You need to at least try to get over that fact.

He is indeed illegitimate. Legal, but illegitimate.

I note you didn't deny that the Deputy PM is a convicted fraudster. 😄

Oh yeah, the housing minister previously resigned after cheating on stamp duty as well, after using welfare money intended for her disabled son to buy a luxury house.

Real upstanding people. 😄

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

He is indeed illegitimate. Legal, but illegitimate.

I note you didn't deny that the Deputy PM is a convicted fraudster. 😄

Oh yeah, the housing minister previously resigned after cheating on stamp duty as well, after using welfare money intended for her disabled son to buy a luxury house.

Real upstanding people. 😄

Away with you and your nonsense Jonny.

Try to come to terms with reality as it is, not as your need for grievance wishes it to be.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Jonny lies again.

Andy Burnham is not an illegitimate PM.

You need to at least try to get over that fact.

Indeed, Kenneth and Eileen were married before Andy came along.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is an attack on British culture.

Drinking while standing is a longstanding part of British pub culture. (Pun intended).

Indeed, standing while drinking was developed to address the problems that British pub patrons encountered when trying to drink while lying down.

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Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Away with you and your nonsense Jonny.

Try to come to terms with reality as it is, not as your need for grievance wishes it to be.

I know the reality.

Illegitimate PM

Convicted fraudster as Deputy

Stamp duty dodger as housing minister

Maybe best keep quiet about "upstanding people". Glass houses and all that...

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Jonny lies again.

...

Contrary to common belief, the F in his screen name isn't the initial of his surname, it is short for Fibs.

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Indeed, Kenneth and Eileen were married before Andy came along.

So why is he such a barsteward?

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

I know the reality.

Illegitimate PM

Convicted fraudster as Deputy

Stamp duty dodger as housing minister

Maybe best keep quiet about "upstanding people". Glass houses and all that...

The PM is not illegitimate - That’s your grievance thing getting the better of you.

There is currently no Deputy to the PM.

The current housing minister is Matthew Pennycook, he has not failed to pay stamp duty.

Are you in touch with reality Jonny?

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I know the reality.

Illegitimate PM

Convicted fraudster as Deputy

Stamp duty dodger as housing minister

Maybe best keep quiet about "upstanding people". Glass houses and all that...

...and the preceding 13+ years of serial Tory misconduct in public office.

...and Nigel's questionably undeclared income, dodgy mates and shady home ownership.

Yes, best keep quiet, eh?

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

So why is he such a barsteward?

We could ask the same of you.

But we won't.

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Contrary to common belief, the F in his screen name isn't the initial of his surname, it is short for Fibs.

On the basis of today’s performance F for Fantasist seems more f.f.. fitting.

20 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I note you didn't deny that the Deputy PM is a convicted fraudster. 😄

Why would anyone? She was convicted for fraud long before she became an MP and got a conditional discharge as the incident was small. So unlike you and your retributive nature that forgives nothing, others like the people who voted for he believe in a restorative and rehabilitative course in life is possible. Both are acceptable viewpoints, but since she is in an elected office, I guess your side lost on numbers.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The PM is not illegitimate - That’s your grievance thing getting the better of you.

Yes he is, and the whole country knows it.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There is currently no Deputy to the PM.

Deputy Leader. Highest rank after Burnham so effectively the Deputy PM.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The current housing minister is Matthew Pennycook, he has not failed to pay stamp duty.

Secretary of State for Housing, communities and local government.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Are you in touch with reality Jonny?

The reality is that your only response is pedantry of the exact title of these charlatans. Is that the best you have? 😄

Real upstanding people, Higgot. I can see why you'd be a fan.

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40 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Coming from someone who supports the Labour party with their illegitimate PM and a convicted fraudster as Deputy.

Here's Jonny! Back to wreck another thread on drinking in pubs in Westminster into another political slinging match - yawn !

15 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Contrary to common belief, the F in his screen name isn't the initial of his surname, it is short for Fibs.

It actually stands for Fantabulous.

And yes, that IS my surname.

Just now, Hamus Yaigh said:

Here's Jonny! Back to wreck another thread on drinking in pubs in Westminster into another political slinging match - yawn !

Might want to read the thread from the start and have a word with Higgot about that.

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Yes he is, and the whole country knows it.

Deputy Leader. Highest rank after Burnham so effectively the Deputy PM.

Secretary of State for Housing, communities and local government.

The reality is that your only response is pedantry of the exact title of these charlatans. Is that the best you have? 😄

Real upstanding people, Higgot. I can see why you'd be a fan.

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Jonny lies again and then engages in his customary habit of posting unflattering photos of women.

Mummy problems is my guess.

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16 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Woah, the Muslim Mayor standing up for alcohol and entertainment venues. That's going to really confuse our right wing friends on here, some heads may explode.

I'm with Khan on this, it's a terrible terrible proposal.

Are you really this naive? The government wants to give more power to mayors without having a mandate to do so in a manifesto document. The government then creates a problem by (ridiculously) suggesting that pubs would not be allowed to have standing customers. This problem can be solved if only the government gave mayors (such as the incompetent Labour mayor Khan) extra powers to solve the problem the Labour government created in the first place, hence the following statement:

16 hours ago, Social Media said:

A spokesman for the Mayor said the latest plans demonstrate why new powers being granted by the Government are needed, allowing Khan to intervene in licensing decisions that could damage the capital's nightlife economy.

The correct response from the mayor should have been that his government are incompetent clowns and they should stay away from enacting policies on things they know nothing about, and stay out of the way of businesses making money that then pay the taxes to enable their frivolous spending.

5 minutes ago, Palatus said:

Why would anyone? She was convicted for fraud long before she became an MP and got a conditional discharge as the incident was small. So unlike you and your retributive nature that forgives nothing, others like the people who voted for he believe in a restorative and rehabilitative course in life is possible. Both are acceptable viewpoints, but since she is in an elected office, I guess your side lost on numbers.

Yes a convicted fraudster.

Very fitting for a senior position in the Labour party.

"Clean up politics" they said...

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Oh wait, that was the guy who actually stood at the election, my bad...😄

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Jonny lies again and then engages in his customary habit of posting unflattering photos of women.

They were the best ones I could find...

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