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Flu Season is approaching - time to take your shots, or should you?

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An influenza drug prescribed to 25 million Americans since 2014 roughly doubles the risk of death in hospitalized patients who receive it, researchers have found.

About 20 percent of patients given the medicine, oseltamivir — sold both as a generic and under the name Tamiflu — died over the next 90 days, the researchers reported. Oseltamivir proved so deadly the researchers stopped its use in the trial early.

“Treatment with oseltamivir is ineffective and highly likely to increase 90-day mortality in critically ill patients with influenza,” they wrote bluntly in a 29-page “preprint” released in late July.

The stunning finding suggests Tamiflu has likely killed tens of thousands of older Americans, and very possibly more than 100,000, since the Swiss drugmaker Roche introduced it 27 years ago. Yet legacy media health reporters have entirely ignored the study (unlike today’s report of two deaths from measles in Pennsylvania, which is receiving saturation coverage.)

The new study’s results are even more troubling because it marks the first time researchers have ever conducted a gold-standard randomized trial to see if the drug, Tamiflu, helps or harms critically ill flu patients, who are generally elderly.

Roche won approval for the drug based on the fact that it seemed to shorten bouts of flu slightly in younger and healthier patients — not that it helped people at high risk.

Roche sold about $20 billion of Tamiflu worldwide from 1999 to 2016, when its American patent on the drug expired. Its sales peaked at $3 billion in 2009, when swine flu hysteria led governments global to stockpile the medicine.

Today, with the patent expired, Tamiflu revenues are a rounding error for Roche. But oseltamivir remains widely used, prescribed to almost 2 million Americans in 2024.

In the study, called REMAP-CAP, 442 hospitalized and critically ill patients received either a five- or 10-day course of oseltamivir or placebo, alongside standard treatments such as nasal oxygen. On average, the patients were about 60 and generally unhealthy, with diabetes or other preexisting conditions.

Investigators then followed patients for the next 90 days to see if they survived. About 14 percent of the patients who did not receive oseltamivir died, compared to 20 percent of those who did. But the real gap was even larger, because patients who did not receive the drug were older and sicker at baseline than those who did.

When the researchers adjusted for those differences, they found that oseltamivir had actually more than doubled the risk of death in patients who received it. They put the odds that the drug was actively harming patients at 98 percent.

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Given the relatively short follow-up period and size of the study, this two-fold increase in death is a stunningly robust finding. It suggests Tamiflu is actively dangerous — and that its widespread continued use has killed a significant number of older and medically fragile Americans.

The researchers speculated that oseltamivir hampers the immune response in patients because the enyzme that it targets, neuraminidase, is widely found in human cells and not just flu virions:

the effect of oseltamivir on host neuraminidases could explain the worse outcomes observed. In this trial, patients given oseltamivir had a higher proportion of deaths due to progressive multi-organ failure, and higher rates of Aspergillus infection, aligning with these hypotheses.

Tamiflu’s history is even more disturbing.

Even as legacy media reporters hyped oseltamivir as a magic pill that would be essential to stopping a flu pandemic, and health bureaucrats encouraged its use, independent researchers raised red flags about the drug.

If this reminds you of Covid and the mRNAs… it should. (Which may be why the media is refusing to report on the new study.)

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  • rocketboy2
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    No thank you. Survived 64 years with out it. Not starting now.

  • Peter Crow
    Peter Crow

    Of course I will. Missed last year's but I'll probably get a new shot in October or early next year when I see my Bangkok doctors. No one should listen to the AN "antimedical" morons, who just can't

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    Yesterday, I posted Alex Berenson's aricle on Tamiflu > https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/update-on-the-tamiflu-scandal-as Here an update he posted, as he is still working on a larger article get

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While the numbers in the claim are mathematically correct based on the preprint, the interpretation omitted vital nuances regarding who was in the trial and how the drug works:

Critically Ill ICU Patients Only

This trial did not look at standard hospitalized patients.

It explicitly looked at critically ill patients in the ICU, most of whom were already on mechanical ventilation or advanced organ support.

For general, non-ICU patients admitted to the hospital, massive global data pools (including Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) tracking and The Lancet meta-analyses of over 29,000 patients) show that giving oseltamivir early during hospitalization reduces the risk of death by 25% to 50%

OKAY.

You're totally wrong but IMHO taking Tamiflu is not worth the risk because it only shortens your flu illness by one day on average.

It's another marginally effective drug they're trying desperately to recoup R&D expenses 🎖️

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Flu Season is approaching - time to take your shots, or should you?

No thank you.

Survived 64 years with out it.

Not starting now.

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Of course I will. Missed last year's but I'll probably get a new shot in October or early next year when I see my Bangkok doctors.

No one should listen to the AN "antimedical" morons, who just can't afford a proper health insurance.

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Yes, flu shot and pneumococcal vaccine. I mentioned in another post that my ex was hospitalized 3 times because of flu infection. After receiving yearly flu shots she did not get flu again.

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Flu season in Thailand is primarily during the rainy season, May through October.

Thai flu season isn't approaching. It's been here for months.

1 hour ago, rocketboy2 said:

No thank you.

Survived 64 years with out it.

Not starting now.

The Flat Earth people are always happy to share their wisdom about not falling off the edge. 😃

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I'll get my flu shot before I start traveling in the fall.

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20 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

The Flat Earth people are always happy to share their wisdom about not falling off the edge. 😃

Looks like your cap fell off.

Pop it back on please. thumbsup

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5 minutes ago, rocketboy2 said:

Looks like your cap fell off.

Pop it back on please. thumbsup

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That's the kind wisdom I come to expect from people who waddle in ignorance.

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waddle/ˈwäd(ə)l/To waddle means to walk with short steps while swinging your body from side to side, much like a duck or a penguin

Of course, every year. Plus my son. Pattaya Memorial normally does a good price in the lead-up to Christmas/December.

Never and survived SARS in Guangdong without Tamiflu.

13 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

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An influenza drug prescribed to 25 million Americans since 2014 roughly doubles the risk of death in hospitalized patients who receive it, researchers have found.

About 20 percent of patients given the medicine, oseltamivir — sold both as a generic and under the name Tamiflu — died over the next 90 days, the researchers reported. Oseltamivir proved so deadly the researchers stopped its use in the trial early.

“Treatment with oseltamivir is ineffective and highly likely to increase 90-day mortality in critically ill patients with influenza,” they wrote bluntly in a 29-page “preprint” released in late July.

The stunning finding suggests Tamiflu has likely killed tens of thousands of older Americans, and very possibly more than 100,000, since the Swiss drugmaker Roche introduced it 27 years ago. Yet legacy media health reporters have entirely ignored the study (unlike today’s report of two deaths from measles in Pennsylvania, which is receiving saturation coverage.)

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The new study’s results are even more troubling because it marks the first time researchers have ever conducted a gold-standard randomized trial to see if the drug, Tamiflu, helps or harms critically ill flu patients, who are generally elderly.

Roche won approval for the drug based on the fact that it seemed to shorten bouts of flu slightly in younger and healthier patients — not that it helped people at high risk.

Roche sold about $20 billion of Tamiflu worldwide from 1999 to 2016, when its American patent on the drug expired. Its sales peaked at $3 billion in 2009, when swine flu hysteria led governments global to stockpile the medicine.

Today, with the patent expired, Tamiflu revenues are a rounding error for Roche. But oseltamivir remains widely used, prescribed to almost 2 million Americans in 2024.

In the study, called REMAP-CAP, 442 hospitalized and critically ill patients received either a five- or 10-day course of oseltamivir or placebo, alongside standard treatments such as nasal oxygen. On average, the patients were about 60 and generally unhealthy, with diabetes or other preexisting conditions.

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Investigators then followed patients for the next 90 days to see if they survived. About 14 percent of the patients who did not receive oseltamivir died, compared to 20 percent of those who did. But the real gap was even larger, because patients who did not receive the drug were older and sicker at baseline than those who did.

When the researchers adjusted for those differences, they found that oseltamivir had actually more than doubled the risk of death in patients who received it. They put the odds that the drug was actively harming patients at 98 percent.

image.png

Given the relatively short follow-up period and size of the study, this two-fold increase in death is a stunningly robust finding. It suggests Tamiflu is actively dangerous — and that its widespread continued use has killed a significant number of older and medically fragile Americans.

The researchers speculated that oseltamivir hampers the immune response in patients because the enyzme that it targets, neuraminidase, is widely found in human cells and not just flu virions:

the effect of oseltamivir on host neuraminidases could explain the worse outcomes observed. In this trial, patients given oseltamivir had a higher proportion of deaths due to progressive multi-organ failure, and higher rates of Aspergillus infection, aligning with these hypotheses.

Tamiflu’s history is even more disturbing.

Even as legacy media reporters hyped oseltamivir as a magic pill that would be essential to stopping a flu pandemic, and health bureaucrats encouraged its use, independent researchers raised red flags about the drug.

If this reminds you of Covid and the mRNAs… it should. (Which may be why the media is refusing to report on the new study.)

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What a nonsense, just created by our regular Alu-Hats. I'm waiting for @Stiddle Mump 's regular comment🤡

No, Tamiflu is not dangerous for most people. It is a standard antiviral medication (active ingredient: oseltamivir) approved by health authorities worldwide. Like all medications, it has potential side effects, but its safety profile is well-documented

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10 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

What a nonsense, just created by our regular Alu-Hats. I'm waiting for @Stiddle Mump 's regular comment🤡

No, Tamiflu is not dangerous for most people. It is a standard antiviral medication (active ingredient: oseltamivir) approved by health authorities worldwide. Like all medications, it has potential side effects, but its safety profile is well-documented

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Yesterday, I posted Alex Berenson's aricle on Tamiflu > https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/update-on-the-tamiflu-scandal-as

Here an update he posted, as he is still working on a larger article getting to the bottom of this scandal.

> I wrote about a stunning study showing the flu drug Tamiflu (oseltamivir) is deadly to critically ill influenza patients. I think - I hope, anyway - that big legacy media outlets will eventually have to follow the news, even if they’d rather not.

This story matters deeply because Tamiflu is not just another drug.

In the 2000s, Tamiflu was the mRNA of its time, a hyped new treatment for a public health emergency. The fact the promised flu pandemics never came to pass (Chinese labs weren’t as good back then, lol, only not really kidding) did not keep Roche, Tamiflu’s manufacturer, from selling almost $10 billion of Tamiflu from 2006 to 2009.

Then, as evidence that it was less effective and potentially risky piled up, Tamiflu turned into something else. It became powerful evidence of Big Pharma’s habit of hiding negative data — and the industry’s influence on the World Health Organization and other supposedly independent public health bureaucracies.

Yet Tamiflu remained on the market. It continued to be prescribed widely, particularly to the sickest flu patients, where it became a standard treatment. About 25 million Americans have received it in the last decade.

So last month’s study showing Tamiflu actually harms such patients falls in the category of stunning but not surprising. The fact a placebo-controlled study to test whether it helped those patients took 27 years to finish only adds to the scandal.

Most people now understand Big Pharma behaves unethically as a matter of course, while running rings around regulators and doctors trying to judge the safety and efficacy of the medicines it offers. Even so, the fact a drug as problematic as Tamiflu became a standard treatment for the sickest patients without a single randomized trial marks a new low.

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1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

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Yesterday, I posted Alex Berenson's aricle on Tamiflu > https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/update-on-the-tamiflu-scandal-as

Here an update he posted, as he is still working on a larger article getting to the bottom of this scandal.

> I wrote about a stunning study showing the flu drug Tamiflu (oseltamivir) is deadly to critically ill influenza patients. I think - I hope, anyway - that big legacy media outlets will eventually have to follow the news, even if they’d rather not.

This story matters deeply because Tamiflu is not just another drug.

In the 2000s, Tamiflu was the mRNA of its time, a hyped new treatment for a public health emergency. The fact the promised flu pandemics never came to pass (Chinese labs weren’t as good back then, lol, only not really kidding) did not keep Roche, Tamiflu’s manufacturer, from selling almost $10 billion of Tamiflu from 2006 to 2009.

Then, as evidence that it was less effective and potentially risky piled up, Tamiflu turned into something else. It became powerful evidence of Big Pharma’s habit of hiding negative data — and the industry’s influence on the World Health Organization and other supposedly independent public health bureaucracies.

Yet Tamiflu remained on the market. It continued to be prescribed widely, particularly to the sickest flu patients, where it became a standard treatment. About 25 million Americans have received it in the last decade.

So last month’s study showing Tamiflu actually harms such patients falls in the category of stunning but not surprising. The fact a placebo-controlled study to test whether it helped those patients took 27 years to finish only adds to the scandal.

Most people now understand Big Pharma behaves unethically as a matter of course, while running rings around regulators and doctors trying to judge the safety and efficacy of the medicines it offers. Even so, the fact a drug as problematic as Tamiflu became a standard treatment for the sickest patients without a single randomized trial marks a new low.

Nonsense will be nonsense, no matter how often you like to repeat it

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

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Yesterday, I posted Alex Berenson's aricle on Tamiflu > https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/update-on-the-tamiflu-scandal-as

Here an update he posted, as he is still working on a larger article getting to the bottom of this scandal.

> I wrote about a stunning study showing the flu drug Tamiflu (oseltamivir) is deadly to critically ill influenza patients. I think - I hope, anyway - that big legacy media outlets will eventually have to follow the news, even if they’d rather not.

This story matters deeply because Tamiflu is not just another drug.

In the 2000s, Tamiflu was the mRNA of its time, a hyped new treatment for a public health emergency. The fact the promised flu pandemics never came to pass (Chinese labs weren’t as good back then, lol, only not really kidding) did not keep Roche, Tamiflu’s manufacturer, from selling almost $10 billion of Tamiflu from 2006 to 2009.

Then, as evidence that it was less effective and potentially risky piled up, Tamiflu turned into something else. It became powerful evidence of Big Pharma’s habit of hiding negative data — and the industry’s influence on the World Health Organization and other supposedly independent public health bureaucracies.

Yet Tamiflu remained on the market. It continued to be prescribed widely, particularly to the sickest flu patients, where it became a standard treatment. About 25 million Americans have received it in the last decade.

So last month’s study showing Tamiflu actually harms such patients falls in the category of stunning but not surprising. The fact a placebo-controlled study to test whether it helped those patients took 27 years to finish only adds to the scandal.

Most people now understand Big Pharma behaves unethically as a matter of course, while running rings around regulators and doctors trying to judge the safety and efficacy of the medicines it offers. Even so, the fact a drug as problematic as Tamiflu became a standard treatment for the sickest patients without a single randomized trial marks a new low.

Alex Berenson is an American author, journalist, and political commentator, best known for his espionage thrillers and his controversial commentary on public health issues.

So, not an expert at all. 😂😂😂

3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Alex Berenson is an American author, journalist, and political commentator, best known for his espionage thrillers and his controversial commentary on public health issues.

So, not an expert at all. 😂😂😂

And yet some still believe this kind of nonsense!

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

And yet some still believe this kind of nonsense!

Well, when it was raining brain, some were looking for shelter under an umbrella. So sad 🤣

8 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, when it was raining brain, some were looking for shelter under an umbrella. So sad 🤣

Those who believe this nonsense, a fictive story by somebody who earns his living with it

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For me this is not the right road to travel. I do not take any vaxxes. Nor do my loved ones, and, any of my followers on SM.

I think a more appropriate question is; "What are vaccines for?" It's easy to get an answer to that. Put the question into Goodgirl, or alternatively consult the CDC. Can soon get the complete picture, along with the reasons why we should all get them.

What actually is 'The Flu?'. It is a perfectly natural human experience. It is the body undergoing a rebalance. Usually at certain times. Why? Because, for the previous 3/6/12 months, the body has been accumulation junk. Junk that has been tucked away, in the lungs, in the mucus membranes, in the tissues. At a certain time - and I have to say here that I'm not convinced either way that it is internal PH, or simply external factors, such as moisture in the air - the body says; enough. We don't want to carry this junk into the winter, where it could do serious damage. Especially if the body has been jabbed and there is perhaps 2/3/4 seasons of junk to be eliminated. So the 'flu' arrives. Cough, sneezes, fever etc. We have all been there. However. After the elimination period we are, hopefully, good to go. Hopefully?? Well yes! A well nourished, healthy body, can see off most colds or flu. But for the not so healthy??

Specifically; on the flu-jab itself. What is it actually for? Before going further it is worth noting that medications, or injections, that end in ',,,,vir', is something to do with a virus. And if it ends in',,,,flu'; well!!

Back to the bio-mechanics of the flu-vaxx. The shot hinders the body process of elimination. Not a good thing IMO, as the 'junk' will not be expelled and, sooner or later. will rear its head and result in something far worse than the sniffles.

Nature has the answers. Time for the leaves to shed their leaves.

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Many years ago while still working I had a flu shot, two days later I was laid up for a week, never had one since

On 8/26/2026 at 7:34 AM, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Flu season in Thailand is primarily during the rainy season, May through October.

Thai flu season isn't approaching. It's been here for months.

You shouldn't be so generalised, not everywhere is the same. Early July I was watering the garden as it was so dry, dragon fruit were turning yellow and dropping off.

Been quite wet in August so probably see some flu spreading around now.

I am not bothered one way or another but keeps the wife happy to have the shot.

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Some people can't read "critically ill"... or understand any study.

Here you go to direct source: https://www.remapcap.org/oseltamivir-general-public-faqs

The key factual anchor is the REMAP-CAP influenza antiviral domain (preprint/results presented around June 2026; Bayesian adaptive platform RCT). Critically ill patients (age ≥12, lab-confirmed influenza, requiring organ support such as high-flow oxygen, non-invasive/invasive ventilation, or vasopressors) were randomized to oseltamivir (5 or 10 days) versus no antiviral.

90-day mortality: ~13.7–14% (no antiviral) vs. ~19–20% (oseltamivir arms).

Adjusted odds ratios ~2.13–2.17 for death with oseltamivir; posterior probability of harm ~98%; probability of benefit <2%. Trial arms stopped early for inferiority/futility.


Conclusion “Treatment with oseltamivir is ineffective and highly likely to increase 90-day mortality in critically ill patients with influenza.”

This is a genuine, high-quality (adaptive platform, multicenter, international) randomized result in a previously understudied population. Prior evidence for ICU use was largely extrapolated from milder outpatient trials or observational data. The finding has prompted strong recommendations against routine oseltamivir in critically ill adults in some updated guidelines (e.g., Australian Living Evidence).

"Put simply: in critically ill patients, not giving oseltamivir was associated with better survival.

It was not what most clinicians expected. And it matters – but only for a specific group of patients. These results apply only to patients aged 12 and over who are critically ill in an ICU with confirmed influenza. These results don’t provide evidence about:

  • People with flu managed at home or in the community, where oseltamivir is well-studied and safe

  • Patients hospitalised with flu but not in ICU, where the picture is less clear and remains under investigation

  • Children under 12, where we do not yet have sufficient data

  • Post-exposure prophylaxis – using oseltamivir to prevent infection in exposed individuals, including in aged care outbreak settings

The evidence evaluating oseltamivir's use in mild to moderate flu is substantial, and not impacted by this trial. If you have been prescribed oseltamivir for flu at home, you should continue taking it as directed.

If you have received oseltamivir in the past, there is no suggestion that you are likely to experience adverse health effects."

https://www.monash.edu/medicine/sphpm/anzicrc/research/remap-cap2/oseltamivir-explainer

On 8/29/2026 at 2:25 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

Because, for the previous 3/6/12 months, the body has been accumulation junk. Junk that has been tucked away, in the lungs, in the mucus membranes, in the tissue

Tissues? Even in the brain? 😂😂😂Not in my body.

But tell me when you lost the track and took at the fork the wrong decision? One way was science which you missed, and the other is conspiracy theories, pseudo science stories, nebulous theories, just because you can't follow scientific developments? And why you follow people pretending only to know secrets about vaccines nobody else knows, spouting these wisdoms for making money. Same people who favor ivermectin being the ultimate cancer treatment for humans?

If you love yourself and family you would send them for essential vaccines instead of telling them nonsense. I wonder why they follow you, like a shaman?

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No. I've never been much of a vaccine person and I don't recall ever having a flu shot in my life. I'm not necessarily a vaccine skeptic, though I did think that the covid narrative was highly skewed.

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38 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

If you love yourself and family you would send them for essential vaccines instead of telling them nonsense. I wonder why they follow you, like a shaman?

There are no 'essential vaccines' Sir. Vaccines cause immense problems and do nothing.

Nature has all we need. Don't need to be putting filth into our bodies to make corporations rich, and keep others in very well paid jobs. I'd be happy to see all the 'ologists - that's virologists, epidemiologists, immunologists, pandemologists - digging up roads or stacking supermarket shelves.

However, if someone is silly enough to have been fooled into taking the vaxx needle; then so be it. But keep the toxic junk away from babes, toddlers and kids.

. . . Only if you're dumb.

44 minutes ago, khunjeff said:

"Put simply: in critically ill patients, not giving oseltamivir was associated with better survival.

It was not what most clinicians expected. And it matters – but only for a specific group of patients. These results apply only tu.o patients aged 12 and over who are critically ill in an ICU with confirmed influenza. These results don’t provide evidence about:

  • People with flu managed at home or in the community, where oseltamivir is well-studied and safe

  • Patients hospitalised with flu but not in ICU, where the picture is less clear and remains under investigation

  • Children under 12, where we do not yet have sufficient data

  • Post-exposure prophylaxis – using oseltamivir to prevent infection in exposed individuals, including in aged care outbreak settings

The evidence evaluating oseltamivir's use in mild to moderate flu is substantial, and not impacted by this trial. If you have been prescribed oseltamivir for flu at home, you should continue taking it as directed.

If you have received oseltamivir in the past, there is no suggestion that you are likely to experience adverse health effects."

https://www.monash.edu/medicine/sphpm/anzicrc/research/remap-cap2/oseltamivir-explainer

15 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There are no 'essential vaccines' Sir. Vaccines cause immense problems and do nothing.

Nature has all we need. Don't need to be putting filth into our bodies to make corporations rich, and keep others in very well paid jobs. I'd be happy to see all the 'ologists - that's virologists, epidemiologists, immunologists, pandemologists - digging up roads or stacking supermarket shelves.

However, if someone is silly enough to have been fooled into taking the vaxx needle; then so be it. But keep the toxic junk away from babes, toddlers and kids.

Good, that you are neither representing the majority nor science.

Bad, that some are on your side

7 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds said:

. . . Only if you're dumb.

During the covid era, we were propagandised constantly. It was, IMO, a Deep State Military style operation. Some saw through the nonsense, but most rolled up their sleeves.

The good side of that era, if one could even say the word 'good', is that more people are awake than ever before. And once they are awake they will not easily drift off back to sleep.

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