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I need some information about the paperwork required to obtain a marriage visa. I am a Canadian man married to a Thai lady. I currently have a work permit but would prefer to have the type O visa.

I understand there has to be proof of 40,000 baht per month income. My question is what proof of this income is required.

According to my accountant, I no longer need to file a regular income tax form, because I am not living in Canada and they are declaring me a non-resident. But if I do not file, then I have no Canadian Government papers to show income.

Are there other accepted papers I can use to show income, such as bank statements?

Another question is about monthly over annual income because I receive much of my income in deposits that are not necessarily monthly. Annually I have no problem showing a greater income than is required. All of my income comes from overseas.

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You have to get a letter from the Canadian Embassy. Give them a ring and ask them what proof they require.

I have given this response some thought, and i asked my accountant about it. But he and I can't see how my embassy can give me a letter in regards to my income if I do not file a return. My question restated would be. Is there any form of paperwork like bank statements the Thai Government will consider to prove an income over 40,000 baht, or does it absolutley have to be information coming from my government.

Does everybody with a marriage visa file tax returns with their own government to prove the 40k income?

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Maybe you misread the answer. The advice was to contact the Canadian Embassy, not your accountant.

Why don't you try it, you might be pleasantly suprised by their answer.

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Ok I guess I am not a good communicator. I should have explained in my op that I am currently in Canada trying to get my papers in order before I head back to LOS. I cannot phone my Canadian Embassy here, because there isn’t one, just actual Government offices. I did contact my Member of Parliament who is a family friend, and his office was helpful only in getting me connected the main Thai consulate in Canada. The Canadian Government has no idea about Thai requirements. The Thai consulate told me all I needed was my Marriage license and my ID and they would issue me a 90 day Visa and then it would be subject to review. As far as paperwork or financial requirements, they told me that Thailand does not give them that information. Obviously this info is heavy on the useless side.

Now, I will make another plea. Is there anyone who can tell me what papers the THAI authorities will accept as proof of income, as an alternative to tax information? If not, I guess I am out of time as I will head back to LOS in 5 days, and I will have to make do with a good guess.

Please note I am asking what the THAI authorities will accept. As it was my assumption that someone here would know that.

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Ok I guess I am not a good communicator. I should have explained in my op that I am currently in Canada trying to get my papers in order before I head back to LOS. I cannot phone my Canadian Embassy here, because there isn’t one, just actual Government offices. I did contact my Member of Parliament who is a family friend, and his office was helpful only in getting me connected the main Thai consulate in Canada. The Canadian Government has no idea about Thai requirements. The Thai consulate told me all I needed was my Marriage license and my ID and they would issue me a 90 day Visa and then it would be subject to review. As far as paperwork or financial requirements, they told me that Thailand does not give them that information. Obviously this info is heavy on the useless side.

Now, I will make another plea. Is there anyone who can tell me what papers the THAI authorities will accept as proof of income, as an alternative to tax information? If not, I guess I am out of time as I will head back to LOS in 5 days, and I will have to make do with a good guess.

Please note I am asking what the THAI authorities will accept. As it was my assumption that someone here would know that.

I will give it a try. If you do not have a visa right now, try to get a Multiple Non-O-Visa on grounds of a Canadian Bank Statement from a Thai Consulate in Canada. Such visa will give you enough leaway to do things easier visawise once inside Thailand. You were talking about an accountant and therefore I just assume that there is some money in the bank. I admit not to know what Thai Consulates in Canada require to obtain such visa, therefore you better get in touch with them.

When married to a Thai and supposing you want to extend your present stay here in Thailand, you need to show an income of THB 40K per month by you and your wife that can either be produced inside Thailand or abroad. Should such income only come from abroad, Thai authorities (Immigration Offices) want proof of it. And here your Canadian Embassy in Bangkok steps in and issues you a so-called Income Letter. Again, I do not know the details how Canadian authorities do things, therefore you would have to discuss this with your embassy here in Bangkok.

With a Multiple Non-O-Visa you can stay in Thailand for 12 months, if done right even 15 months. Just keep in mind, any visa (even a Tourist or a Single Non-O-Visa) is far better than just a Visa Exempt Stamp.

Do not hesitate to ask. In your remaing 5 days you may become a visa expert. Welcome to Thailand.

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Thank you gzu88bv:

You have answered my question to a certain degree.

The income letter is the sticking point of course because I do not wish to file a return, I am not required to do so as a non resident in a volunteer position. But without a return, how, would the Canadian Government provide me with such a letter? I will learn as I go I guess.

currently I have a work permit and a non immigrant visa (I do not know if it is an O or a B, it does not say either, I don't know the difference). I was hoping for the Marriage visa, but if it means an annual tax bill with no annual exemptions, that would be a frustrating and a needless expense.

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Thank you gzu88bv:

You have answered my question to a certain degree.

The income letter is the sticking point of course because I do not wish to file a return, I am not required to do so as a non resident in a volunteer position. But without a return, how, would the Canadian Government provide me with such a letter? I will learn as I go I guess.

currently I have a work permit and a non immigrant visa (I do not know if it is an O or a B, it does not say either, I don't know the difference). I was hoping for the Marriage visa, but if it means an annual tax bill with no annual exemptions, that would be a frustrating and a needless expense.

To get a yearly extension based on marriage Thai Immigration will accept records of tax payments on income inside Thailand. This can be yours, your Wifes or a mixture of both.

From income abroad they need a letter from the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok. It all depends what your Embassy needs from you to issue this letter. You will have to ask them as thay are all different.

Any Canadians out there who have done this?

Why dont you contact the Embassy in Bangkok.

Consular telephone. + 66 2636 0555

E mail. [email protected]

Edited by Lite Beer
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There was a recent post on here where a guy went to his local amphur and asked for a tax paid receipt for 40k per month for the last year (i.e. tax paid on 480k) and the total tax was something like Bt2500 and he was told to come back in another 6 months to pay the next 6 monthly installment of about another Bt1250. He then took that tax receipt to the immigration office with his marriage certificate and was given his 1 year visa.

I still intend to go to my local amphur and see if this is available in Pattaya (or I'll go to the local village in Buriram).

This is certainly the cheapest and easiest way and if the numbers are right, then it works out at a couple of hundred baht each month !

The thread was in the last couple of weeks so a search will pull it up.

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Forget about your Canadian tax returns and your Canadian accountant- unless he's Thai and knows more about this than the Thais at the Canadian Embassy in BKK. The Thais don;t want to see some other country's bureuacratic paperwork...except from your embassy.

I don;t know why you want to drop the Work Permit - and in any event you still need a Visa anyway. What visa do you have a B Visa?

Anyway, the process is - get an O Visa from a Thai Embassy/Consulate in Canada - tell them you're married and you want to re-unite with your wife with an aim to working in Asia to provide support (but no job as yet). You shouldn't need to show income at this stage, but you will later on once you're back living here and you want to renew it. That's when you need the letter. So the only people who can answer your question are those working at the CDN Embassy in Bangkok (whether they will give you a letter on your word of honour - I believe the Brits will do it this way - sworn statement) - but why worry at this stage? That's a year to 15 months later (I understand they give a 3 month extension without proof of income).

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One other thing - beware that if the Thai Embassy/Consulate in Canada issues you with a new O Visa they will, evidently cancel the old visa - and the old visa is tied to your work permit. In other words, the Work Permit will become invalid - and if the catch you working without the Work Permit they'll deport you and blacklist you from returning.

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Thank you gzu88bv:

You have answered my question to a certain degree.

The income letter is the sticking point of course because I do not wish to file a return, I am not required to do so as a non resident in a volunteer position. But without a return, how, would the Canadian Government provide me with such a letter? I will learn as I go I guess.

currently I have a work permit and a non immigrant visa (I do not know if it is an O or a B, it does not say either, I don't know the difference). I was hoping for the Marriage visa, but if it means an annual tax bill with no annual exemptions, that would be a frustrating and a needless expense.

Take things one step at atime and it will all become clear. While in Canada, go to your nearest Thai Consulate and apply for a Non-O visa based on marriage to a Thai. The Consul will need you to show them the original marriage certificate, your wife's Thai ID card and some times they ask for proof of support (income, pension, money in a bank- not income tax forms) and infrequently a copy fo your wifes Tambien Baan (house registery). Once they issue the visa and you travel to Thailand you will be granted a stay of 90 days. This requires you to leave the kingdom every 90 days and upon return you are granted another 90 days until your visa expires. When your visa expires (actually you can do this in the first 90 day stay) and you wish to extend your stay, you will need to proved to immigration at least 40K THB income. The Canadian Embassy can issue you a letter that verifies that you, your wife, or a combination of the two have an average income of 40K per month. This is usually a form letter issued based on financial informatoin you show the Embassy (bank book or statement, pension, pay checks, etc.) This letter is then provided to Thai immigration as proof of income for your application for extension of stay based on marriage. Other documents will be required at the time you apply for and extension of stay, but do not worry about these until the time comes (things change rapidly.) This all much easir than it may seem at first.

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But surely if you can just go to the amphur and bay Bt2500 tax for a ficticious previous year's income then that is the easiest way and you can forget about all this embassy and income stuff - no ?

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But surely if you can just go to the amphur and pay Bt2500 tax for a ficticious previous year's income then that is the easiest way and you can forget about all this embassy and income stuff - no ?

Yes , if this was possible it would be preferable to every other method.

Personally I do not give this report much credability. Suggest you go and ask Pattaya Immigration what their policy is.

I hope I am wrong.

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Good Luck Canuckamuck

At least if you show up at Suvarnabumhi and throw a computer around cause they gave you the wrong visa, the Thai police are unlikely to Taser you..like the poor Polish guy at YVR this week...Really makes you think about societies and their differences 'eh'?

Posted (edited)

"Thaigene2 and Asiaexpat explained the whole thing perfectly."

I think I have to disagree here.

If the OP has a work permit, presumably he has a valid visa. It doesn't matter if it's an O or a B. When the visa comes up for renewal they ask the reason you want the extension. At that time you put that you want a visa to live with and support your Thai wife. That's when the paperwork comes into play.

If you have been working in Thailand, they'll want to see a Thai tax form (91) and reciept. Depending on how much you earn and what exclusions you are able to take, will determine what you have to pay. Many years I paid 0 baht, and had a tax reciept showing that.

The Canadian Embassy can give you a letter stating overseas income. Tha American Embassy takes your word for it, although I have always had proof of it with me, to show if they asked for it. As someone mentioned ealier, the Brit Embassy apparently does about the same thing.

If in fact you don't already have a valid visa, then you don't have a valid work permit either. In that case, the above info about getting a new visa from a Thai Embassy/Consulate becomes relevant.

Edited by TerryLH

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