Non-b To Non-o

[jackbox]

I currently hold a 1 year Non-B which expires in about 6 weeks. Timing re-entry I know I can stay until April. I recently married a Thai National. Can I get a new Non-O here in Thailand? I already checked with Consulate in my home country and Non-O is no problem if I want to bear the expense of hopping across the pond back to my country of origin.

[lopburi3]

Believe you have a multi entry visa and have the time to get another 90 day entry. Can you extend your stay under the family provision of 40k per month family income? If not you will have to exit Thailand for any hope of obtaining a non immigrant O visa and multi entry seems to be a problem in the local area without proving funding in the 400k-800k range at last report; although I suspect there are exceptions.

[jackbox]

Yes, I want to obtain a one year extension based on my marriage. Do I need to have my Non-B changed to a Non-O? If yes, how do you do this and can I do at the same time I apply for the marriage extension? Or will they just extend the current Non-B entry based on marriage? Thanks in advance for your help and responses.

[torrenova]

B and O are basically the same for visa length etc. Agfter marriage you can apply for 60 days additional time at immigration (on marriage grounds). They won't extend your B visa. As Lopburi3 said above, if you can pay tax on 40k per month, then they will allow you a 1 year extension based on income of 40k per month. You can get another non ) with 400k in the bak according to the last reports from Singapore.

[jackbox]

B and O are basically the same for visa length etc. Agfter marriage you can apply for 60 days additional time at immigration (on marriage grounds). They won't extend your B visa. As Lopburi3 said above, if you can pay tax on 40k per month, then they will allow you a 1 year extension based on income of 40k per month. You can get another non ) with 400k in the bak according to the last reports from Singapore.

Your reply is confusing. First you say they will not extend the Non-B but then say I can get a one year extension based on my marriage. I don't need to pay tax, just get a letter from my emassy as my income is from outside of Thailand. Do I need to have the visa changed frumbusiness ( to marriage (O)?

[minimart]

You can extend using your non-B but on the application form you put "reason for staying" as "staying with Thai wife" or similar.

[lopburi3]

There is no need to change your visa entry. When you apply for extension of stay you do so for reasons of family and present the 40k income requirements of that category.

[jackbox]

Thank you everyone for valuable input. I will do one more in and out on my non-b then get paperwork in order for extension.

[antant]

There is no need to change your visa entry. When you apply for extension of stay you do so for reasons of family and present the 40k income requirements of that category.

Hi. I have similar situation as jackbox. My non-B expires in March 2008. I am married to a thai national in June 2007 but I did not change any visa after i got married (been doing border runs after marriage).

My question:

(1) Do I need to change visa from B to O? I am working full-time in thailand, woman, income sufficient to meet the 40K/month requirement.

(2) If I need to change visa, I must do it in my country (Malaysia) at the thai embassy? Or can i do it at the immigration in BKK?

(3) What's the difference between Non-B and Non-O, apart from the fact that the visa length is 1 year?

(4) Is it better to get a Non-O visa for working in thailand, as I have no intension yet to change my citizenship (was told at this forum last time that for a lady to become a thai citizen, it's easier than for man).

Thanks for your great help!

Merry christmas everyone!

[Lite Beer]

If you are a woman married to a Thai man I think you will find that you do not need any income to qualify for a yearly extension based on marriage.

Not the same for us men.

[antant]

If you are a woman married to a Thai man I think you will find that you do not need any income to qualify for a yearly extension based on marriage.

Not the same for us men.

Hmm... yes i am aware of the benefit for women married to thai men. My question is still, is it better with Non-B or Non-O for working? Do i have to pay more tax for holding a Non-B? (sorry, this is a silly question as I have no idea how the taxes work... which is why I am not an accountant... hahaha)

[lopburi3]

1. There is no requirement to change visa type - you can work and be married on either visa.

2. NA. But if you wish to extend your stay on a yearly basis you can do that at Immigration and being female you should probably due that on the basis of family rather than job. But any non immigrant visa can be used.

3. B is issued for business and/or work reasons. O is issued for a number of "other" reasons, including marriage. They are both issued in single and multi entry versions.

4. There is no need for another visa - just extend your stay at Immigration - but remember once you do that you will have to have re-entry permit before you travel outside of Thailand to keep the extensions of stay alive.

[antant]

1. There is no requirement to change visa type - you can work and be married on either visa.

2. NA. But if you wish to extend your stay on a yearly basis you can do that at Immigration and being female you should probably due that on the basis of family rather than job. But any non immigrant visa can be used.

3. B is issued for business and/or work reasons. O is issued for a number of "other" reasons, including marriage. They are both issued in single and multi entry versions.

4. There is no need for another visa - just extend your stay at Immigration - but remember once you do that you will have to have re-entry permit before you travel outside of Thailand to keep the extensions of stay alive.

Thanks, K. Lopburi. Let me summarise:

(1) Holding Non-B visa, apply for one year extension of stay based on marriage AND multiple re-entry visa (to get in and out of the country).

(2) Holding Non-O visa, apply for multiple re-entry visa. (in this case I assume that they will issue one year of stay for this visa type?)

(3) Non-B or Non-O visa, no one-year-extension of stay, get in and out of border every 3 months.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Many thanks.

best regards,

ShuTing

[jackbox]

You are not extending the visa only the time you are permitted to stay in Thailand. If you are extended for 1 year on either B or O visa you have no re-entries. If you leave Thailand you must get a re-entry permit issued first or your extension is automatically voided upon leaving Thailand. When you come back on a re-entry permit you get no extra time. The date your extension expires still applies. You need to get a new extension every year unless you are granted permanent residency status or citizenship.

[lopburi3]

1. Yes.

2. Yes but can also do as one above during the last 30 days of any entry.

3. Yes but if not multi entry a new visa and proper paperwork would be required each time.

[antant]

1. Yes.

2. Yes but can also do as one above during the last 30 days of any entry.

3. Yes but if not multi entry a new visa and proper paperwork would be required each time.

Hohoho (sorry, bad Santa Claud immitation)... easiest is to get one year extension plus re-entry permit then.

K. Lopburi, I can apply for Non-O in thailand itself right? I don't need to go back to my origin country like when I applied for Non-B visa (from Thai embassy/consulate)?

[lopburi3]

You already have a non immigrant visa - that is all you need (except the spouse). During the last 30 days of your permitted to stay just visit immigration with him, your marriage paperwork, your passport/arrival card and expect he will need his ID/home register and there probably should be a bank account and letter of account balance but do not believe there is any set requirements.

[antant]

You already have a non immigrant visa - that is all you need (except the spouse). During the last 30 days of your permitted to stay just visit immigration with him, your marriage paperwork, your passport/arrival card and expect he will need his ID/home register and there probably should be a bank account and letter of account balance but do not believe there is any set requirements.

Thanks for your info, K. Lopburi. Thanks very much to everyone who left a message. Merry christmas and happy new year!

[antant]

Hello everyone!

Sorry I'm back asking more questions about visa questions.

My Non-B will expire this saturday 29th March. The lawyer has extended my work permit to 24 May 2008 as I have recently returned from my country on the 25th Feb. That's 90 days extension, right?

I want to apply for one year extension of stay (i understand i need also re-entry permits).

From all the info I gathered, I must go to Immigration 30 days before 24 May with my husband to apply for this extension right? Normally how long does it take? Does Immigration means Suan Plu or there's somewhere else I can go?

Do we have to show bank statement of 400k baht? I am a woman, my husband has a decent job (he's a civil servant).

The lawyer I contacted is charging quite a lot for making the extensions / renewal of visa. Maybe I should consider doing this myself? Please help!

I was even told that I could not apply for one year extension of stay last year (without using marriage as a reason) because my Non-B was from outside Thailand... :S

[lopburi3]

The normal requirement is 40k family income but there will not be any problem for a female - the old requirement was the 400k bank deposit but that ended in 2006 and was not applied to females.

You should not require any lawyer. With less than 30 days remaining you visit immigration with husband and his ID card/home register documents and your passport. He should bring financial paperwork but there does not seem to be any set requirements so should not be a problem. You will need passport and 4x6cm current photo. Suan Phlu is the office. You only need re-entry permits for travel outside of Thailand after obtaining the extension of stay. As first visit normally provides only a 30 day under review you will want to wait until you get the final extension to buy re-entry permit.

[jackbox]

The normal requirement is 40k family income but there will not be any problem for a female - the old requirement was the 400k bank deposit but that ended in 2006 and was not applied to females.

You should not require any lawyer. With less than 30 days remaining you visit immigration with husband and his ID card/home register documents and your passport. He should bring financial paperwork but there does not seem to be any set requirements so should not be a problem. You will need passport and 4x6cm current photo. Suan Phlu is the office. You only need re-entry permits for travel outside of Thailand after obtaining the extension of stay. As first visit normally provides only a 30 day under review you will want to wait until you get the final extension to buy re-entry permit.

If you look at the regs there is no income requirement for a foreign woman married to a Thai man. You just need to go wth your husband and all the docs mentioned in these forums except the income proof. You will have no trouble at all getting the extension yourself. It is a simple process and the staff at Suan Phlu is professional and courteous.

[antant]

The normal requirement is 40k family income but there will not be any problem for a female - the old requirement was the 400k bank deposit but that ended in 2006 and was not applied to females.

You should not require any lawyer. With less than 30 days remaining you visit immigration with husband and his ID card/home register documents and your passport. He should bring financial paperwork but there does not seem to be any set requirements so should not be a problem. You will need passport and 4x6cm current photo. Suan Phlu is the office. You only need re-entry permits for travel outside of Thailand after obtaining the extension of stay. As first visit normally provides only a 30 day under review you will want to wait until you get the final extension to buy re-entry permit.

If you look at the regs there is no income requirement for a foreign woman married to a Thai man. You just need to go wth your husband and all the docs mentioned in these forums except the income proof. You will have no trouble at all getting the extension yourself. It is a simple process and the staff at Suan Phlu is professional and courteous.

Thank K. Lopburi and K. Jackbox,

I am also working full-time with a work permit (applied with Non-B last year).

Does that mean when they grant my extension of stay for one year, I should send in work permit to be extended at the Labours Department as well?

For example:

1) On 10th May I go to Suan Plu with my husband to apply for stay. Wait for results = 30 days. At this stay, my work permit will expire on the 24th May. Do I have to extend work permit for 30 days?

2) On 10th June I go to Suan Plu again with my husband to see if they grant me one year extension of stay.

3) If granted, I buy multiple re-entry visa also from Suan Plu, right?

4) After I get the extension, I send my work permit and passport to lawyer to extend the work permit for me. Usually how long do I have to wait?

Thank you for your kindest help once again!

[lopburi3]

1. You should be able to extend your work permit to match your current extension of stay.

2. Husband may not be required for second visit but not a bad idea to have him along - it will likely be approved.

3. Only if you plan 4 exits during the extension - otherwise it would be more cost effective to buy one at 1,000 baht rather than the 3,800 baht a multi entry costs. But you have to factor in time/convenience.

4. You can do yourself or use law firm. Don't know the time frame and expect varies with location.

[antant]

1. You should be able to extend your work permit to match your current extension of stay.

2. Husband may not be required for second visit but not a bad idea to have him along - it will likely be approved.

3. Only if you plan 4 exits during the extension - otherwise it would be more cost effective to buy one at 1,000 baht rather than the 3,800 baht a multi entry costs. But you have to factor in time/convenience.

4. You can do yourself or use law firm. Don't know the time frame and expect varies with location.

Excellent! One more question:

For the 30 days wait for the result, I need to travel out of Thailand for business. I need to get a re-entry permit at Suan Plu also, right?

P/s: K. Lopburi, thank you once again for your help.

Somehow the solutions I find in this forum is clearer than the answers from the lawyers we hire. Either they try to confuse us and charge us more money, or they are reluctant to give a simpler solution altogether... The lawyer I hired was even reluctant to let me change my Non- B to Non-O, saying that Non-B gives me more priviledge (yeah right! The only "priviledge" maybe the immidiate deportation within 7 days if I loose my job). So far I don't find any priviledge difference, and i suspect it's her trick to charge us every 3 months for renewing work permit for me. She also said that with Non-O I need to rely on my husband. For what??

I had wanted to change my Non-B to Non-O since last year but was kept putting off by this lawyer. I do travel back to my country quite often and getting a Non-O done shouldn't be a problem.

Sorry if I sound like nagging... too tired from listening to different opinions about the visas.

[jackbox]

You do not change your Non-B to a Non-O. You are extending your stay under the Non-B for purpose of marragae to a Thai National. The privileges of the Visa are the same and there is no reason to pay the fee to change the Visa type. I extended my Non-B for reason of marriage to Thai wife with no problems whatsoever.

Yes, if you leave during the term of the "Under Consideration" stamp you must get a re-entry permit first. Leaving Thailand without a re-entry permit will cancel your current stay and there will be nothing for the Immigration Department to extend. If you leave without the re-entry permit you will need a new Visa issued outside Thailand and start all over from square one.

1. You should be able to extend your work permit to match your current extension of stay.

2. Husband may not be required for second visit but not a bad idea to have him along - it will likely be approved.

3. Only if you plan 4 exits during the extension - otherwise it would be more cost effective to buy one at 1,000 baht rather than the 3,800 baht a multi entry costs. But you have to factor in time/convenience.

4. You can do yourself or use law firm. Don't know the time frame and expect varies with location.

Excellent! One more question:

For the 30 days wait for the result, I need to travel out of Thailand for business. I need to get a re-entry permit at Suan Plu also, right?

P/s: K. Lopburi, thank you once again for your help.

Somehow the solutions I find in this forum is clearer than the answers from the lawyers we hire. Either they try to confuse us and charge us more money, or they are reluctant to give a simpler solution altogether... The lawyer I hired was even reluctant to let me change my Non- B to Non-O, saying that Non-B gives me more priviledge (yeah right! The only "priviledge" maybe the immidiate deportation within 7 days if I loose my job). So far I don't find any priviledge difference, and i suspect it's her trick to charge us every 3 months for renewing work permit for me. She also said that with Non-O I need to rely on my husband. For what??

I had wanted to change my Non-B to Non-O since last year but was kept putting off by this lawyer. I do travel back to my country quite often and getting a Non-O done shouldn't be a problem.

Sorry if I sound like nagging... too tired from listening to different opinions about the visas.

Edited March 28, 2008 by jackbox

[antant]

For the one year extension based on marriage, what documents I need to bring?

(1) Husband's ID & photocopy

(2) My passport

(3) Income statement of >40k baht (just in case)

(4) House registration paper

(5) 4x6 inch recent photo

(6) ??

Please tell me which form I need to fill, and where I can get this form? Do I have to arrive at suan plu very early? Do they have a daily quota? (Once I applied for student visa in the UK and they happened to have a daily quota. Those who came after the quota was finished were told to go back the next day and queue again).

[lopburi3]

Yes you will need a re-entry permit after you make application for extension of stay for any travel.

1. Husband - and he needs to have his ID card/home register and financials. You do not do by yourself.

2. Passport/departure card an copies of each page on one side of A4 sheets.

3. I would not mention this unless asked or they may try to extend you for work on the B visa.

4. Yes as in one

5. Make sure it is not your passport photo as they have been checking closely that photo is current recently.

6. Form is TM.7 and you can download from useful information pinned thread at top of this visa section and use Word to fill out and print on both sides of one A4 sheet of paper.

[jackbox]

Please see post of my recent experience at Suan Phlu for extension based on marriage.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=177214

[antant]

Please see post of my recent experience at Suan Phlu for extension based on marriage.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=177214

Cool! Thanks K. Lopburi and K. Jackbox!

That's much happier info compared to what the lawyers at the agency have been trying to confuse me.