Suing A Thai Lady

[tamsin]

What would be the best advice I can give a very nice man who is about to throw his life savings away on some tart who has persuaded him to buy her a house. She won't marry him (wonder why ...?), claims kid's his but Thai man's name on birth cert (yawn). 30 year lease orrrrrrr, usufruct. Dear God, some of you, really ...

hello excuse me if im wrong but i dont think OP was persuaded to buy her a house ,i think he made the choice thru what he believed to be love(at the time.....and they did last 5 years so maybe love or she thought she could squeeze more out of him over time).he also didnt say she wouldnt marry him,he just said they werent married,maybe he didnt want to marry.i also dont think she claimed child was his as hes only been with her aprox 5 years and her daughter is an adult!!!

i am worried that he didnt wonder why she had so much property/land already.....this is a big clue to her greed as im sure was not bought by her,but maybe im wrong.

im sure she may have been to court previously and won all the properties she has ,which is why she may not give up easily although im sure she dont like spending money on a lawyer and travelling so it is god you dont just give up as thats what she will be hoping for.good luck

Oh, I do apologise, I was just piggybacking off this thread as I was too idle to start my own. But as there seem to be so many of you having gone through similar situations, thought one of you might be able to let me know what advice to give to another man about to embark on the a similar course of action, albeit without the benefit of marriage, (which, as I understand it would allow for a 50/50 split). I think if you read my post carefully again, sans beer chang next to keyboard, it will become clearer to you.

[Eric1949]

What would be the best advice I can give a very nice man who is about to throw his life savings away on some tart who has persuaded him to buy her a house. She won't marry him (wonder why ...?), claims kid's his but Thai man's name on birth cert (yawn). 30 year lease orrrrrrr, usufruct. Dear God, some of you, really ...

hello excuse me if im wrong but i dont think OP was persuaded to buy her a house ,i think he made the choice thru what he believed to be love(at the time.....and they did last 5 years so maybe love or she thought she could squeeze more out of him over time).he also didnt say she wouldnt marry him,he just said they werent married,maybe he didnt want to marry.i also dont think she claimed child was his as hes only been with her aprox 5 years and her daughter is an adult!!!

i am worried that he didnt wonder why she had so much property/land already.....this is a big clue to her greed as im sure was not bought by her,but maybe im wrong.

im sure she may have been to court previously and won all the properties she has ,which is why she may not give up easily although im sure she dont like spending money on a lawyer and travelling so it is god you dont just give up as thats what she will be hoping for.good luck

Oh, I do apologise, I was just piggybacking off this thread as I was too idle to start my own. But as there seem to be so many of you having gone through similar situations, thought one of you might be able to let me know what advice to give to another man about to embark on the a similar course of action, albeit without the benefit of marriage, (which, as I understand it would allow for a 50/50 split). I think if you read my post carefully again, sans beer chang next to keyboard, it will become clearer to you.

Thanks to all those who gave positive reponses.

I know, and fully acknowledge that I am an idiot and was taken for a ride.

Her 15 year old daughter was from a Greek Cypriot, he financed one house and the condo in BKK.

I think it is possible that she has a mental health problem, she often beats her daughter, to relieve her frustrations I think. I hate to imagine how many time she has beaten her since I left. When I told her never to do it again in front of me (6 years ago) she said it was normal in Thailand. She told me that one time when her daughter was very young, she beat her so bad that she took her to hospital, fearing that she had broken some of her bones.

1. She also has a 28/29 year old daughter from a Thai man (not legal husband) She says when he left her he took the daughter. She applied to the court for custody, and says she won, but decided to let her daughter remain with the father.( I now believe this to be untrue, I believe the court ruled in favour of the father because her father feared for her well being.

This relationship lasted 2 years.

2. She married a Thai man legally. She filed several police reports saying he beat her( The same as she has with me, which are untrue) She aborted a child of his.

This relationship lasted 2 years.

3. Next came the Greek Cypriot. She bore his child, now 15. She also aborted a child of his.

This relationship lasted 2 years. ( Although because of the daughter contact has remained, and before I met her, he sent money to her.

4. Next came a Dutch man.

This relationship lasted 2 years.

5. Next came me. I met her in Singapore, working the bars in Orchard Towers. I am and never have been a "sex tourist". I was in Singapore working. I am into country music. Orchard Towers at the time had 2 venues for country music. I fell for her "charms". She may have been from Cambodia, laos, Vietman or Nigeria, but she was from Thailand. That is the only reason that I came her and am still her.

The relationship lasted about 6 years!!!! Wow arn't I the unlucky one.

Anyway, sorry Thai ladies, I am sure that you are not all like her. Before I came to Thailand I had never experienced jealousy or greed before, and when you're a bit older, it hits you like a hammer in the face.

I have never known such filth can come out of a womans mouth before. Speaking to some friends, it would that a lot of Thai girls studied in the same school, as their girlfriends/wife also use the same language.

Once again I know that it is my fault that I am in this situation.

I will win, in that I am 100% confident.

[tattoodrob]

What would be the best advice I can give a very nice man who is about to throw his life savings away on some tart who has persuaded him to buy her a house. She won't marry him (wonder why ...?), claims kid's his but Thai man's name on birth cert (yawn). 30 year lease orrrrrrr, usufruct. Dear God, some of you, really ...

hello excuse me if im wrong but i dont think OP was persuaded to buy her a house ,i think he made the choice thru what he believed to be love(at the time.....and they did last 5 years so maybe love or she thought she could squeeze more out of him over time).he also didnt say she wouldnt marry him,he just said they werent married,maybe he didnt want to marry.i also dont think she claimed child was his as hes only been with her aprox 5 years and her daughter is an adult!!!

i am worried that he didnt wonder why she had so much property/land already.....this is a big clue to her greed as im sure was not bought by her,but maybe im wrong.

im sure she may have been to court previously and won all the properties she has ,which is why she may not give up easily although im sure she dont like spending money on a lawyer and travelling so it is god you dont just give up as thats what she will be hoping for.good luck

Oh, I do apologise, I was just piggybacking off this thread as I was too idle to start my own. But as there seem to be so many of you having gone through similar situations, thought one of you might be able to let me know what advice to give to another man about to embark on the a similar course of action, albeit without the benefit of marriage, (which, as I understand it would allow for a 50/50 split). I think if you read my post carefully again, sans beer chang next to keyboard, it will become clearer to you.

okey dokey,i thought u were referring to original poster (and hadnt read such post )but now you have made it clear you were talking about your friend in near similar situation.

theres not a lot you can do as these guys dont believe it could happen to them...thats the real problem...denial,denial there all end up in the nile!!! seriously yes he should speak to a good lawyer who can give him the best option so he wouldnt lose everything when she decides shes had enough of him.also get him to read some forums like this one ,but i bet he wont do any thing sensible and will lose the lot but at least YOU tried.its a shame when these guys lose every penny they have as the lady will not feel in any way remorseful to leave you in the gutter while she moves onto the ........NEXT please.and there will be another mug waiting if shes a good actress which is a polite way of saying ...nasty lying cheating,good at hiding it,biaaaatch!!!!!

ps i dont drink chang anymore.....found out its made from fermented elephant droppings ....nice.

[tattoodrob]

What would be the best advice I can give a very nice man who is about to throw his life savings away on some tart who has persuaded him to buy her a house. She won't marry him (wonder why ...?), claims kid's his but Thai man's name on birth cert (yawn). 30 year lease orrrrrrr, usufruct. Dear God, some of you, really ...

hello excuse me if im wrong but i dont think OP was persuaded to buy her a house ,i think he made the choice thru what he believed to be love(at the time.....and they did last 5 years so maybe love or she thought she could squeeze more out of him over time).he also didnt say she wouldnt marry him,he just said they werent married,maybe he didnt want to marry.i also dont think she claimed child was his as hes only been with her aprox 5 years and her daughter is an adult!!!

i am worried that he didnt wonder why she had so much property/land already.....this is a big clue to her greed as im sure was not bought by her,but maybe im wrong.

im sure she may have been to court previously and won all the properties she has ,which is why she may not give up easily although im sure she dont like spending money on a lawyer and travelling so it is god you dont just give up as thats what she will be hoping for.good luck

Oh, I do apologise, I was just piggybacking off this thread as I was too idle to start my own. But as there seem to be so many of you having gone through similar situations, thought one of you might be able to let me know what advice to give to another man about to embark on the a similar course of action, albeit without the benefit of marriage, (which, as I understand it would allow for a 50/50 split). I think if you read my post carefully again, sans beer chang next to keyboard, it will become clearer to you.

Thanks to all those who gave positive reponses.

I know, and fully acknowledge that I am an idiot and was taken for a ride.

Her 15 year old daughter was from a Greek Cypriot, he financed one house and the condo in BKK.

I think it is possible that she has a mental health problem, she often beats her daughter, to relieve her frustrations I think. I hate to imagine how many time she has beaten her since I left. When I told her never to do it again in front of me (6 years ago) she said it was normal in Thailand. She told me that one time when her daughter was very young, she beat her so bad that she took her to hospital, fearing that she had broken some of her bones.

1. She also has a 28/29 year old daughter from a Thai man (not legal husband) She says when he left her he took the daughter. She applied to the court for custody, and says she won, but decided to let her daughter remain with the father.( I now believe this to be untrue, I believe the court ruled in favour of the father because her father feared for her well being.

This relationship lasted 2 years.

2. She married a Thai man legally. She filed several police reports saying he beat her( The same as she has with me, which are untrue) She aborted a child of his.

This relationship lasted 2 years.

3. Next came the Greek Cypriot. She bore his child, now 15. She also aborted a child of his.

This relationship lasted 2 years. ( Although because of the daughter contact has remained, and before I met her, he sent money to her.

4. Next came a Dutch man.

This relationship lasted 2 years.

5. Next came me. I met her in Singapore, working the bars in Orchard Towers. I am and never have been a "sex tourist". I was in Singapore working. I am into country music. Orchard Towers at the time had 2 venues for country music. I fell for her "charms". She may have been from Cambodia, laos, Vietman or Nigeria, but she was from Thailand. That is the only reason that I came her and am still her.

The relationship lasted about 6 years!!!! Wow arn't I the unlucky one.

Anyway, sorry Thai ladies, I am sure that you are not all like her. Before I came to Thailand I had never experienced jealousy or greed before, and when you're a bit older, it hits you like a hammer in the face.

I have never known such filth can come out of a womans mouth before. Speaking to some friends, it would that a lot of Thai girls studied in the same school, as their girlfriends/wife also use the same language.

Once again I know that it is my fault that I am in this situation.

I will win, in that I am 100% confident.

eric thanks for more info on the biaaaaatch.

dont feel too bad that you were taken for a ride as you couldnt know better but some of the guys here do know better and it still hapens.its just a shame you didnt know about the older working thai ladies....they have been round the block and know every trick in the book on conning nice guys...it really bugs me that they have no consience(wrong spelling me thinks!) in taking everything some people have worked all there life to attain...ok if they rip us off for a bit but cmon its the whole lot then on to the next one for most of these blood suckers.i mean your one was still workin as a whore even though she had a guy sending her money,houses paid for that she could rent etc etc.....a real greedy one.it also saddens me that she would beat her young daughter black and blue,this is not a normal thai thing this is only normal if they are a selfish nasty piece of work......im afraid she only let you know what you needed to know about thailand and now you have found out the hard way now the doodoo has hit the fan.they will let you win a few battles on the way to make you feel better but they will do anything humanly possible when it comes to winning the war.as she was an older lady she probably acted as well as she could for as long as she could due to you possibly being the last farang she might get but in the end couldnt help but show her true colours.obviously you should have picked up on the history of getting a house/condo then relationship going wrong.....but it was too late by then im sure as your house was probably bought by then.ll i can say is that i hope some guys read these type of posts and learn ,if not dont come bitching here in a few years....that doesnt mean you as you was not aware of the goings on in thailand at the time.there are some good stories outhere,but lets be honest the majority are similar to yours..lets not kid ourselves that you are different and met a special girl.if money was what made her go with you in first place do you think this changes in time.....nope ....once they dont seem to get what they want or what there friends are getting then u r history.next please.

rant over.

eric i really wish you good luck and that u get one back for the decent people on this earth.

warning:are former boyfriends still in circulation......and really take care your back as there are documented cases where people are knocked off for a lot less than what she might lose here.....if you dissappear then case is over no questions asked....please be careful as your lady is a self confessed child batterer at the best,at the worst who knows.its happened to even nicer guys than you,remember they have no conciounse(really should learn proper spelling of that dam_n word)

[Flash500]

I am into country music. Orchard Towers at the time had 2 venues for country music.

Sorry Eric I had to have a laugh......don't know anyone who's been to Orchard Towers for the music!!!!

[tartempion]

I know countless farangs who built houses in gf/wives names. Each and every one of them lost the house.

I know countless farangs who built houses in gf/wives names. Each and every one of them are still living together in the houses.

And the point you are trying to make is?

[BigA]

Form a ltd company or use some other holding mechanism to secure your assets if this type of a hostile takeover is viewed as a viable threat.

I would imagine.

[viciouskitty74]

I am into country music. Orchard Towers at the time had 2 venues for country music.

Sorry Eric I had to have a laugh......don't know anyone who's been to Orchard Towers for the music!!!!

I am sorry Eric, but country music at Orchard Towers Singapore, is a tactic to lure you lonely men there for the sharks to circle in for the kills. Same with whatever music there were playing at the numbers of pubs anywhere. You werent stupid, just vunerable.

But even if it does not happen in Thailand, these are similar tactics that females does to ensure a secure, cash rich lives for their old age, irrespective of whichever country they come from.

If love had earlier factored in the early days, things would still have proceeded this way when love fades.

I hope it goes well for you, or even if it dont, you are wiser and wont be bitter for life.

[bino]

I am into country music. Orchard Towers at the time had 2 venues for country music.

Sorry Eric I had to have a laugh......don't know anyone who's been to Orchard Towers for the music!!!!

I am sorry Eric, but country music at Orchard Towers Singapore, is a tactic to lure you lonely men there for the sharks to circle in for the kills. Same with whatever music there were playing at the numbers of pubs anywhere. You werent stupid, just vunerable.

But even if it does not happen in Thailand, these are similar tactics that females does to ensure a secure, cash rich lives for their old age, irrespective of whichever country they come from.

Especially in Singapore! All of the Ah Lians are looking for a Ah Beng with 5 "C's". Cash, Credit Card, Car, Condo and Country Club membership!

[Eric1949]

I am into country music. Orchard Towers at the time had 2 venues for country music.

Sorry Eric I had to have a laugh......don't know anyone who's been to Orchard Towers for the music!!!!

I am sorry Eric, but country music at Orchard Towers Singapore, is a tactic to lure you lonely men there for the sharks to circle in for the kills. Same with whatever music there were playing at the numbers of pubs anywhere. You werent stupid, just vunerable.

But even if it does not happen in Thailand, these are similar tactics that females does to ensure a secure, cash rich lives for their old age, irrespective of whichever country they come from.

If love had earlier factored in the early days, things would still have proceeded this way when love fades.

I hope it goes well for you, or even if it dont, you are wiser and wont be bitter for life.

Thanks Viciouskitty. Yes I was vunerable. When I first went to Orchard Towers, I had found GINIVY on the net. The taxi dropped me off in between the two blocks, and up I went. One of the two live bands were really good. GINIVY, as you may know no longer exists. There used to be a country music venue in Clarke Quay as well, that to has closed. Thanks again.

[Governor]

I am going through a similar experience at the moment Eric1949 and know what a difficult time it must be.

I get a little fed up with some of the self opinionated replies we both have got from the holier than though posters who have never made a mistake in their lives, but to be fair most of the replies give the support and advice you need.

My position was that that I met a girl in Thailand and took her at face value, fell in love and believed that she did the same. After renting for some time we had a house built in Hua Hin, I payed for it completely but registered it in her name. Why? I simply trusted her and had no reason to belive she was trying to trick me, Why didn't I take advice from this board? Simple I hadn't read such advice until it was too late and as I said I trusted her, I had no reason not to.

We got married in March this year, and it was not until I retired and moved to Hua Hin in August did things begin to turn sour, and very quickly. I felt I was being driven out of my home by my wife, she wouldn't talk to me, take care of me at all and even resorted to violence. She is very petite and I think she was trying to provoke me into violence so she could report me to the police, I didn't react but she reported me anyway. She also was extremely jealous, but there was nothing to be jealous of.

I moved out for my own safety as I didn't trust her, I am now living in Bangkok, and subsequent enquiries have confirmed that she leased the land to an Irish guy the very next day and may have sold the property, pretty good in the depressed resale maket in Hua Hin.

Was it planned all along? I really don't know, she was very convincing and I believed her. Was it just greed? again I really don't know, we had a smashing home and wanted for nothing, I brought her a car, then she tricked me out of mine, so prehaps she was greedy and was living for the present. Like you I have a good pension and on my demise she would have received almost 2m Baht a year for life, but she has lost that now.

I am getting mixed messages from lawyers, the first one has indicated that I should get everything back, and the second one I approached, via a mate at the British Embassy because the first one was away for the New Year, has indicated that the courts might take the view that I brought the house as a gift, why?, and gave her my car as a gift, again why?, and might not award me anything not even 50%, so I really don't know what to do. They have both indicated that I have to deposit 2.5% of what I am claiming into court, capped at 200,000 Baht, and I am unsure if I would get this back at the conclusion of the case. The second lawyer has indicated that even if I get judgement I may not get anything as she seems to have sold my house.

I can walk away and start again, and prehaps that is what I should do, but I am reluctant to let her get away with it too easily.

I wouldn't mind details of your "no win, no fee" lawyer, and the conditions that he imposes, could you pm me?

In the meantime I might write a book.

Edited January 7, 2008 by Governor

[yorkman]

They have both indicated that I have to deposit 2.5% of what I am claiming into court, capped at 200,000 Baht, and I am unsure if I would get this back at the conclusion of the case. The second lawyer has indicated that even if I get judgement I may not get anything as she seems to have sold my house.

That bit is true Guv'ner. It is to avoid frivolous cases/cover some of the court costs or somesuch. You can get it added onto the judgement if you win. If it does not actually proceed to court you can get most of the deposit back, I think 80% but stand to be corrected.

As for getting the money. In our case it was us against a local scumbag. We went, before the court case, to the local amphur and for a small fee they did a land ownership search. Lo and behold he had a few rai tucked away.

When the judgement came down in our favour we asked the court to put time limit on payment. He of course claimed poverty and could not pay, at which point the land search papers came out The court ordered the sale of the land if he did not pay, thus we got paid pdq.

Whether this helps or just confuses a marriage case I don't know, probably confuses it, sorry, but food for thought?

[Eric1949]

Hi Governor.

Email me, then we can exchange mobile numbers.

[Eric1949]

OK. Now I'm starting to get somewhere on this.

I need to be in contact with as many guys as possible who are in similar situation.

I would, for obvious reasons, like to hear from anyone who has been through the court, and won.

Time wasters need not reply.

Thanks

[viciouskitty74]

Especially in Singapore! All of the Ah Lians are looking for a Ah Beng with 5 "C's". Cash, Credit Card, Car, Condo and Country Club membership!

And all the pretty boys are looking for females in Singapore with 5 "A"s: Account, Automobile, Apartment, Authority & Ability

The men in Singapore look for girls from China.

The women look for farangs with $$$ at their home country.

I am strangely in Phuket Thailand looking for? (I hate it when everyone is right that I am confused.) ;(

[yorkman]

OK. Now I'm starting to get somewhere on this.

I need to be in contact with as many guys as possible who are in similar situation.

I would, for obvious reasons, like to hear from anyone who has been through the court, and won.

Time wasters need not reply.

Thanks

As said, twice through Thai courts and won, but hey, ignore. Up to you as they say

[gburns57au]

Any Thai having an alien spouse may purchase or accept land as a gift with no consideration and register the ownership of such land during marriage under the condition that the spouse must jointly provide a written legal confirmation stating that the entire source of funds for such purchase or gift is solely from the Personal Property (such as defined by Thai laws) of such Thai.

Heres an interesting note.....from a Thai Law website.

In this case the Alien spouse has no comeback.....

[Eric1949]

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OK. Now I'm starting to get somewhere on this.<br />I need to be in contact with as many guys as possible who are in similar situation.<br />I would, for obvious reasons, like to hear from anyone who has been through the court, and won.<br />Time wasters need not reply.<br />Thanks

<br /><br />As said, twice through Thai courts and won, but hey, ignore. Up to you as they say <img src="style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /><br />

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Sorry Yorkman, was out of touch for 24 hrs.

If your cases were similar to mine, I'd like to get in contact with you. If a precedent has already been set, then I understand that, as in UK a judge can follow it.

[dominator]

I know countless farangs who built houses in gf/wives names. Each and every one of them lost the house. When you do something like this, you are gifting the house to them. Write it off, you gave it to her. I'd say you have a lot of nerve to try and get back any portion. btw, it was very nice of you to build a house for the lady

This was a sensible question from Eric, answers like this come from born losers

[dominator]

I know countless farangs who built houses in gf/wives names. Each and every one of them lost the house. When you do something like this, you are gifting the house to them. Write it off, you gave it to her. I'd say you have a lot of nerve to try and get back any portion. btw, it was very nice of you to build a house for the lady

Have you always been a loser, or has it just happened in Thailand?

[Eric1949]

Thanks dominator, some people are just born losers and expect others to be .

I was just reading the post "face"

It reminds me when I was in court on Oct 31st. The judge told her lawer to go back to school if he wanted to be a lawyer, and learn the law and morals. The other people in the court, not connected with my case fell about laughing. I suppose her lawyer must of lost "face"

[mistresserika]

Just been reading your post, February 2009, is that the earliest you can get a date from the court?

[Eric1949]

Just been reading your post, February 2009, is that the earliest you can get a date from the court?

Hi. I've been lucky, have a hearing now on 10th March, this year

[dominator]

Just been reading your post, February 2009, is that the earliest you can get a date from the court?

Hi. I've been lucky, have a hearing now on 10th March, this year

Great!!! Best of luck to you, it's good to see someone standing up to Thailands lowlife.

[mistresserika]

Good to hear it. I'm sure all the decent people in Thailand will be routing for you.

I hope this bad experience hasn't put you off Thai ladies, we're not all like her.

[dominator]

Hey Eric 1949, not long to go before court next week.

Give me a call, there are a few things I can suggest, which may possibly help you.

[dominator]

Fingers crossed today Buddy. Keep your cool.

[Eric1949]

Thanks Dominator.

Result of today's hearing is that lawyers have to attend court on Thursday to appoint an 'asset director', what ever that is. Also she told a porkie to the judge, who was not impressed when I pointed it out. It was included in the minutes of the hearing.

On going............

[geoffphuket]

My divorce settlement through the Thai civil court took 12 hearings over 2 years. The final result was as expected a 50/50 split of the property. I then applied for, and was granted, a sale through a government auction....that's taking place on April 24th If anyone is interested, have a look at my web page or PM me.

http://patongvilla.wetpaint.com/

[mistresserika]

Thanks Dominator.

Result of today's hearing is that lawyers have to attend court on Thursday to appoint an 'asset director', what ever that is. Also she told a porkie to the judge, who was not impressed when I pointed it out. It was included in the minutes of the hearing.

On going............

Great news. A great morale booster for you.