Reverse Threat.

[Ozziepaul]

Okay, I never thought I'd be writing something like this.

Not too long ago I 'reported' about a young man who had transgressed a boundary with my so called employer and the woman was flexing her 'muscles' to get certain assets back and teach the young guy a lesson.

Well, my consultancy contract has turned out to be worth less than the paper it was written on.

Basically I have discovered wholesale fraud, deception, misappropiration of funds and the savage financial exploitation of this womans ailing, bed ridden falang husband.

Suffice to say, my first paycheck never materialised, despite a written contract.

My response was swift, I vacated the premises, much to my wife's relief and we are now 'travelling', though still in Thailand.

I called a friend of the ailing husband to garner his opinion and 'inform' him.

Much to my surprise, he seemed to pre-empt almost everything I was going to tell him, including what I was considering as my next move.

He went on further to add that whilst his friend is ailing and frail, I am a young man with a family and would do well to consider every consequence.

He then alluded to what he said is commonly referred to here as a counter threat. I haven't been here all that long and would be interested to know if anyone has ever heard of this, whether it's factual, if so, is it effective etc..? I does seem common sense to me, but who to trust bla bla.

Basically it goes like this, or so he advised. You try and find a trust worthy (yeah right) cop, who, for the right amount of money will contact the people you are or have been dealing with. He then advises them that you are under his 'care' and he would like to speak with their 'cop contacts'. A call is then placed and cop to cop it's sorted that if any wayward cars or projectiles should take you out of the picture, then the <deleted> will hit the fan.

I am meeting with this man tomorrow or sometime Saturday so he can tell me specifics as to what he has been told by other resident Thais about my involvement in this 'mess'.

The man has been living in Thailand for over 24 years, worked at a senior 'Government' level and is level headed and not prone to exaggeration or abuse of substances.

When I advised that I have done nothing wrong, he simply said that 'others' may percieve my 'knowledge' of things as dangerous to them and be inclined to think outside the box, so to speak.

Does this all sound like rubbish to those in the know, or what???

All I am guilty of is doing my job to the best of my ability and in doing so, uncovering some dirt, that I have not even acted on. In doing my job, I was scammed out of being paid and hence simply packed my bags and left, without a word, or threat or anything.

I am not concerned, or looking over my shoulder etc, but my poor dear wife is very concerned and she nearly blew her top today when I explained what had been said to me, as she has been trying to convince me to back out of the situation for ages.

And here I was thinking I was just helping some poor old bugga and his family.

Live and learn I suppose.

Comments and critics appreciated from all.

Cheers n beers.

Big Paulee.

Feel free to PM me if ya want.

[mogoso]

Okay, I never thought I'd be writing something like this.

Not too long ago I 'reported' about a young man who had transgressed a boundary with my so called employer and the woman was flexing her 'muscles' to get certain assets back and teach the young guy a lesson.

Well, my consultancy contract has turned out to be worth less than the paper it was written on.

Basically I have discovered wholesale fraud, deception, misappropiration of funds and the savage financial exploitation of this womans ailing, bed ridden falang husband.

Suffice to say, my first paycheck never materialised, despite a written contract.

My response was swift, I vacated the premises, much to my wife's relief and we are now 'travelling', though still in Thailand.

I called a friend of the ailing husband to garner his opinion and 'inform' him.

Much to my surprise, he seemed to pre-empt almost everything I was going to tell him, including what I was considering as my next move.

He went on further to add that whilst his friend is ailing and frail, I am a young man with a family and would do well to consider every consequence.

He then alluded to what he said is commonly referred to here as a counter threat. I haven't been here all that long and would be interested to know if anyone has ever heard of this, whether it's factual, if so, is it effective etc..? I does seem common sense to me, but who to trust bla bla.

Basically it goes like this, or so he advised. You try and find a trust worthy (yeah right) cop, who, for the right amount of money will contact the people you are or have been dealing with. He then advises them that you are under his 'care' and he would like to speak with their 'cop contacts'. A call is then placed and cop to cop it's sorted that if any wayward cars or projectiles should take you out of the picture, then the <deleted> will hit the fan.

I am meeting with this man tomorrow or sometime Saturday so he can tell me specifics as to what he has been told by other resident Thais about my involvement in this 'mess'.

The man has been living in Thailand for over 24 years, worked at a senior 'Government' level and is level headed and not prone to exaggeration or abuse of substances.

When I advised that I have done nothing wrong, he simply said that 'others' may percieve my 'knowledge' of things as dangerous to them and be inclined to think outside the box, so to speak.

Does this all sound like rubbish to those in the know, or what???

All I am guilty of is doing my job to the best of my ability and in doing so, uncovering some dirt, that I have not even acted on. In doing my job, I was scammed out of being paid and hence simply packed my bags and left, without a word, or threat or anything.

I am not concerned, or looking over my shoulder etc, but my poor dear wife is very concerned and she nearly blew her top today when I explained what had been said to me, as she has been trying to convince me to back out of the situation for ages.

And here I was thinking I was just helping some poor old bugga and his family.

Live and learn I suppose.

Comments and critics appreciated from all.

Cheers n beers.

Big Paulee.

Feel free to PM me if ya want.

It doesn't matter so much where your at, its essentially a "whistle blower" situation. The US has laws to protect whistle blowers, yet people suffer any way. Wasn't Julia Roberts in a movie "Ellen Broclovich" (sp) about a power companies misdeeds. Anyway it depends on who is getting the shaft financially as far as the companies owners are concerned. They don't care a whit about your falang friend, its who is getting the rake of skimmmed money that would concern them. If, a big fish is being cutout that'd be a problem, but if he's getting his share, then it'd be good business to screw the falang, as well as the company.

[seonai]

Why do people feel the need to quote the entire post when it was the next one ?

[farang prince]

Paul, that's a new one on me and I've been dealing with the Royal Thai Police for many years as a trainer and advisor. While nothing totally surprises me in LOS, the situation you are describing sounds like a scene out of "The Departed", a fictional movie about the Boston police. My suggestion for you is that you contact a good attorney who can guide you through the process of getting fair compensation for your time spent working for the company and who can also bring this criminal enterprise to the top law enforcement officials in the region.

[Ozziepaul]

Paul, that's a new one on me and I've been dealing with the Royal Thai Police for many years as a trainer and advisor. While nothing totally surprises me in LOS, the situation you are describing sounds like a scene out of "The Departed", a fictional movie about the Boston police. My suggestion for you is that you contact a good attorney who can guide you through the process of getting fair compensation for your time spent working for the company and who can also bring this criminal enterprise to the top law enforcement officials in the region.

Thanks very much for the advice.

I too am of the opinion that thus far the 'verbal' advice given to me is over the top.

I'm not to sure what I can do as regards lawyers, as my consultancy agreement is not with an actual registered company.

It's between myself, the lady and her supposed 'common law' husband.

The 'wife' signed for both, ie 'The employers'. I obviously signed for myself and my wife witnessed the signatures.

The agreement was taken to the Oz embassy and included in a Stat Dec and subsequently placed on file, as my missus is awaiting a visa application.

The total funds outstanding are 94,895 Baht, and I'm not sure if that's worth chasing.

Has anyone had experience with a small claims court here in Thaialnd. Is there even such a thing?

Anyway, thanks muchly for the advice.

Big Paulee.

[Scott]

Best of luck to you. Take care of you and yours. These people can be quite cunning and quite dangerous. Their cash cow is at stake.

[quiksilva]

If you were legally employed (i.e. had a work permit) you will find that the labour courts are very protective over employees. If you can prove your case many lawyers will take your case on the basis of 20% of successful claims. Is a 100K worth your time? Well only you can answer that but I have heard that the labour courts act quite quickly here.

However, if you did not have a work pemit, (and I guess that didnt from what you said) then the normal legal channels for compensation are probably closed to you. If so, I would put it all down to experience and just walk away. Peace of mind and security is easily worth 100K.

Edited January 4, 2008 by quiksilva

[Ozziepaul]

If you were legally employed (i.e. had a work permit) you will find that the labour courts are very protective over employees. If you can prove your case many lawyers will take your case on the basis of 20% of successful claims. Is a 100K worth your time? Well only you can answer that but I have heard that the labour courts act quite quickly here.

However, if you did not have a work pemit, (and I guess that didnt from what you said) then the normal legal channels for compensation are probably closed to you. If so, I would put it all down to experience and just walk away. Peace of mind and security is easily worth 100K.

YEP...hear ya loud and clear...and NO, there was no work permit, BUT only for one specific reason.

I am STILL waiting for my former employer to cancel the first one, even though I formally resigned effective the 1st of November 2007.

That is the ONLY reason I don't have a work permit at the moment, so I'm not sure how this will go in the labour court.

As has been said, might be best to just walk away and chalk it up to experience.

I could go insane trying to do the impossible, or maybe stay both alive and sane and view it as yet another lesson.

Dust off and get on with the next challenge I suppose.

Cheers n beers.

Big Paulee.

[Ulysses G.]

Why do people feel the need to quote the entire post when it was the next one ?

One reason is that sometimes someone posts while you are writing yours and then your post doesn't seem to make sense unless you have quoted the one that you are replying to.

[tattoodrob]

hello,it seems the guy you talked to is supposed to be a friend of the farang boss...is he thai or farang..i couldnt make it out and thought he might be thai as you say he worked in government here.it sounds that he could have an interest in this company or may be getting something out of it that the farang boss doesnt know about.when you told him what was going on their i thought he would have first been surprised ,then grateful and then put in a good word with his friend the farang boss as you basically helped him out and didnt get any renumeration for the hassle.did you ask why u were not getting paid?,did anyone know you found out all this info and thats why u werent paid.personally i would make contact with the farang boss somehow(letter,phone or in person) as he may think you done a runner and obviously then wouldnt pay you....he only knows you have gone and may not know why as it seems he is in the dark on all the wrongdoings going on.contact him,try and get a payment as well then inform what you know and then its up to him what he does with the info.......if hes so ill that he cannot talk or comprehend then you are stuck as wife is the robber i guess so not many people you could tell.dont think any authorities here would be overly bothered if they cant get any remuneration from it and if only the farang boss is losing out as then no harm done!!!!!!in their eyes.

otherwise i cant see how there is any problem ,if you havent told anyone, they have no reason to harm you or make you problems but personally i would want my paycheck as i dont like getting ripped off so the least i would do is get a letter written by a lawyer to farang boss wife saying that you want what you are owed or possibly you would take it further when allsorts of info could come out......go through your lawyer and never give your adress......if she is swindling so much then this is her best option.you could always inform the farang boss when you are long gone.......i would.