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Maybe Lilawadee can tell us who of those banned 111 is capable of solving current economic problems.

Somkid? He's not in PPP, and he hasn't shown he has any clue either.

Anyone else?

I will say that again - TRT magic stopped working well before the coup, there's zero change they can easily whip it up again.

PPP has already sent a signal to investors - they'll abolish 30% rule and keep the baht at 35. Will they keep that promise? Will they have to fire Cental Bank governor to get their way and try to defent the baht against the market (again?).

They can always print more money to keep the baht artificially low, btw. No one has dared even to propose that so far.

It appears they know what they want, they just have absolutely no idea how to get it.

Correct. While many point to the 4.5% growth of 2007 as evidence of a Junta created economic slowdown, few remember that growth was only 4.5% in 2005 when TRT were in full control.

If they abolish the 30% rule pressure on the baht wil be upwards. If the US lowerrs interest rates pressure on the baht will be upwards. If they try to drive it to 35 to the dollar, it will use up a lot of reserves. If they announce this as a real government policy they may actually get abunch of speculators come in helping to drive it up to 35. Unfortunately I guess the speculators will then sell when it hits 35 creating a bit of a mess.....

This government are going to be a bit of a joke. Anyway I guess sticking a quack medical doctor in charge of finance supported by a deputy from the family who destroyed their own bank with some of the most profligate lending polices one can ever read about will certainly ensure fiscal discipline.....

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No PM selection today (Friday) as planned... negating the auspiciousness of the astrologically-selected date... :o

Session to pick PM delayed till Monday

The House session to elect the prime minister has been postponed till Monday instead of today, newly-appointed Speaker Yongyuth Tiyapairat said yesterday. Yongyuth, an MP in the People Power Party (PPP), spoke shortly after getting royal endorsement as the House Speaker.

People Power Party MPs Somsak Kiartsuranon and Apiwan Wiriyachai were appointed deputy House speakers by the same royal command.

The House regulations require the House speaker to inform all 480 MPs in writing about the session three days in advance, or he can hold an urgent meeting if desired. However, Yongyuth said he would follow the normal rules.

He did not want to cause controversy among members and the public, he said. "The session will be held on Monday at 9.30am," he said.

People Power leader Samak Sundaravej will have to wait three more days before he becomes prime minister for the first time after almost four decades in politics.

Yongyuth said he and his deputies would never betray the nation or the monarchy. He insisted he would be neutral and his goal would be to build unity among all parties. The House under his leadership would be open to the public to welcome suggestions and opinions concerning legal issues, he said.

Samak said he had no problem with the parliamentary session to elect the premier being delayed till Monday. Yongyuth had prepared for yesterday's ceremony since late on Wednesday. He waited all day before entering in the afternoon.

Just before, the Chiang Rai MP let Sinsae Boong, a feng shui expert, assessed his office at Parliament, which is on the second floor. Sinsae Boong said the desk was badly located opposite the entrance, against feng shui principles. He advised Yongyuth move it to face the Ananda Samakhom Throne Hall. He also checked decorations in the building, especially on the second floor, for good luck.

Pojaman Shinawatra, wife of former prime minister Thaksin, engaged the feng shui master to advise Thaksin when he was prime minister.

Democrat MP Thepthai Sainphong had said earlier that the session should not be held this week because House regulations required the Speaker to acknowledge all the members in writing three days before the session.

Meanwhile, PPP party-list MP Sukhumphong Ngonkham said whips in the six-party coalition agreed to back a PPP member to become the prime minister.

- The Nation

So either Yuths crew were on the p*ss celebrating last night and couldnt be trusted to get out of bed on time or Samak faces some kind of humiliation like being elected PM by a majority of only 7 or something. Oh what fun. Shame nobody is thinking that getting a government together quick is exaclty what the country needs right now. Nice to see some of the whore parties squirm trying to be in the government and outr of it at the same time - we only did it for national bluah blah and we are not taking any seats in the cabinet for us or our family blah blah. Nice to also see that PPP do not have any real qualified types to run any ministry now that numero uno has gone. Even if they forgive the 111 tomorrow it does not increase the combined intelligence quota by one iota althought it certainly will increase the level of feudal master leverage.

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Maybe Lilawadee can tell us who of those banned 111 is capable of solving current economic problems.

Somkid? He's not in PPP, and he hasn't shown he has any clue either.

Anyone else?

I will say that again - TRT magic stopped working well before the coup, there's zero change they can easily whip it up again.

PPP has already sent a signal to investors - they'll abolish 30% rule and keep the baht at 35. Will they keep that promise? Will they have to fire Cental Bank governor to get their way and try to defent the baht against the market (again?).

They can always print more money to keep the baht artificially low, btw. No one has dared even to propose that so far.

It appears they know what they want, they just have absolutely no idea how to get it.

One thing I heard that would support this is Thaksin was spending money that was not realized yet. I think he was up to spending money 7 years ahead making his own Thailand NASDAQ bubble. I don’t know the exact numbers of how many years ahead. If that is the case even the most skilled person would be working with ‘Stone soup’ to feed the economy.

Deficit spending which was a TRT policy is certainly a bit of a headache for future governments when growth is under previously predicted levels. Probably not made any easier by having to recoup all the expenses for a couiple of recent elections. Guess we'll see a bunch of mega projects financed by the government. Should be an interesting ride to see megaproject mania while maintaining the baht at 35 to the dropping dollar and with all those patronage system feudal dudes who will be in the ministries trying to keep their canvassers and electorate slightly happy while recovering their lost election expenses all in a climate where investment worldwide is reducing.

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This feng shui bullsh!t and rituals alone should be proof enough that they are totally inapt to hold such positions. totally insane that a whole country's future depends on what some charlatan of the month says. :o

I think you will find it rather common in Thai culture and specifically Thai-Chinese culture. Also Thai middle class people with no Chinese heritage are picking up some (or a lot) of the Feng Shui guidelines. I think this is very easy to see just looking around in Bangkok / the business community after reading a book or two on Feng Shui. ("Huang Juy" in Thai). Same applies with selecting auspicious days for any major event in life.

If you recognize and respect the culture around you then you will see it as a matter-of-course to have some guidelines in arranging your work space. 'totally inapt', 'insane', 'bullsh1t', 'charlatans'.. Really those words have no place in describing a very interesting aspect of local culture. I mean go tell all businesses with Nang Kwak figurines or those golden waving cat thingies that they're insane.. followed by the equivalents of those things in your own culture, such as cutting down a tree and dressing it up in mid winter. Insane.. bullsh1t.. perhaps, but it's just culture.

And if you google around a bit for Feng Shui then you will find that many (if not most) of the guidelines are rooted in plain common sense. When you move into a new office you too presumably would give it some thought on where you want to place your desk, how you want to decorate and arrange your workspace. You do this intuitively, but many of the Feng Shui guidelines frankly just 'state the bloody obvious'. :D Granted, some people take it a bit overboard, but the basic guidelines do make a lot of sense.

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Newly appointed Parliament Chairman pays respects to King Rama 7

Newly appointed Chairman of the House of Representatives Yongyuth Thiyaphairat (ยงยุทธ ติยะไพรัช) accompanied by his two deputiesv traveled to lay flowers and pay respect to the Royal Monument of Rama 7. The monument is considered a sacred part of the Parliament compound.

Mr. Yongyuth and his deputies also visited offices within the parliament to meet and hear opinions of government workers. Mr. Yongyuth will also meet with President of the National Legislative Assembly (NLA) Meechai Ruchuphan (มีชัย ฤชุพันธุ์) to learn of the NLA’s ongoing work so that the parliament may take them on immediately.

The new Parliament Chairman though said that he will not interfere with the NLA and will do his duty to the utmost.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 25 January 2008

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What would happen if Thai ministers, prior to appointment, were asked to show the qualifications which made them a good candidate for the job? From some of the rumors I have seen in the newspapers, some of these people proposed, would have a hard time conviencing a interview panel to hire them, in a real business world. Guess this might apply to the political scene world wide, but qualified seems to have a new meaning lately. I kind of like to consulate a doctor for health matters, a experienced educator concerning schooling, and probably a interior decorator for home or office design. But then, I am not too concerned with any of these groups, except the first, on a as needed basis.

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What would happen if Thai ministers, prior to appointment, were asked to show the qualifications which made them a good candidate for the job? From some of the rumors I have seen in the newspapers, some of these people proposed, would have a hard time conviencing a interview panel to hire them, in a real business world. Guess this might apply to the political scene world wide, but qualified seems to have a new meaning lately. I kind of like to consulate a doctor for health matters, a experienced educator concerning schooling, and probably a interior decorator for home or office design. But then, I am not too concerned with any of these groups, except the first, on a as needed basis.

I think this is true the world over. Look at the candidates for President of the United States. I don't think any major corporation would hire 90% of them. There's a saying that those who can't do teach. Maybe it should be that those who can't do become politicians! Anyway, not to worry. Even the least qualified of the PPP crowd will be better than the best of the Sondhi crowd. Where did he go anyway?

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

In Thailand, I've not noticed that everyone is obliged to make eye contact with everyone else in the elevator.

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

In Thailand, I've not noticed that everyone is obliged to make eye contact with everyone else in the elevator.

You are not obliged. The future leader of the country is expected to.

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

In Thailand, I've not noticed that everyone is obliged to make eye contact with everyone else in the elevator.

You are not obliged. The future leader of the country is expected to.

Strange expectation, indeed! Would you have expected him to shake hands and sign autographs as well?

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

In Thailand, I've not noticed that everyone is obliged to make eye contact with everyone else in the elevator.

You are not obliged. The future leader of the country is expected to.

Strange expectation, indeed! Would you have expected him to shake hands and sign autographs as well?

Good night.

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Maybe Lilawadee can tell us who of those banned 111 is capable of solving current economic problems.

Somkid? He's not in PPP, and he hasn't shown he has any clue either.

Anyone else?

I will say that again - TRT magic stopped working well before the coup, there's zero change they can easily whip it up again.

PPP has already sent a signal to investors - they'll abolish 30% rule and keep the baht at 35. Will they keep that promise? Will they have to fire Cental Bank governor to get their way and try to defent the baht against the market (again?).

They can always print more money to keep the baht artificially low, btw. No one has dared even to propose that so far.

It appears they know what they want, they just have absolutely no idea how to get it.

One thing I heard that would support this is Thaksin was spending money that was not realized yet. I think he was up to spending money 7 years ahead making his own Thailand NASDAQ bubble. I don’t know the exact numbers of how many years ahead. If that is the case even the most skilled person would be working with ‘Stone soup’ to feed the economy.

Deficit spending which was a TRT policy is certainly a bit of a headache for future governments when growth is under previously predicted levels. Probably not made any easier by having to recoup all the expenses for a couiple of recent elections. Guess we'll see a bunch of mega projects financed by the government. Should be an interesting ride to see megaproject mania while maintaining the baht at 35 to the dropping dollar and with all those patronage system feudal dudes who will be in the ministries trying to keep their canvassers and electorate slightly happy while recovering their lost election expenses all in a climate where investment worldwide is reducing.

Financing for mega projects in Thailand (capital equipment) is normally arranged by winning bidders and soft loans from foreign governments. With interest rates relatively low, it shouldn't put a whole lot of pressure on the country and mega projects create jobs and income and improve infrastructure. As long as they are really needed, they are normally welcome and help increase FDI (long term foreign direct investment - the FBA is a completely separate issue and if they are going to do mega projects they should be more receptive to FDI - another policy the new government has promised).

What isn't welcome, of course, is the more short term impact of the appreciation of the THB on ag exports, relative to competing nations. We can expect the new government to abolish capital controls (as promised), making THB bonds more attractive to investors fleeing declining USD interest rates and currency value. Increased short term capital inflows (hot money) will only put additional pressure on the THB. I await to see if the new FM will continue to issue THB bonds, selling the THB and buying USD's to try and weaken the THB as was the previous government's policy. I doubt it. Also, it will be interesting to see if they drop interest rates and if so, how much as a means of making short term THB investments less attractive to foreign investors fleeing the USD.

Interesting times are ahead.

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

In Thailand, I've not noticed that everyone is obliged to make eye contact with everyone else in the elevator.

You are not obliged. The future leader of the country is expected to.

Strange expectation, indeed! Would you have expected him to shake hands and sign autographs as well?

Sure, then we could accuse him of obsequious politicing.

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Has the EC been threatened, blackmailed or bought off? Maybe all three apply, been done before.

Anything is possible. All we know is Anfrel and P-Net have been critical of them for not pursuing vote buying caes which remain abundent. There are also according to Anfrel at least credible cases where both the military (Chaing Rai) and PPP (Lampang, Udon Thani) used local offcials to influence/coerce voters that do not seem to be being investigated.

The Yuth case is difficult too. In the real Thailand who would want to prosecute one the ten most powerful members of the government about to take over the country even with cast iron evidence? And Yuth has a reputation of his own outside of poltics. This is a case that could easily fall or see witnesses and evidence disappear/change. In the murky world of politcs nothing is as it seems.

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

OMR maybe being a good Buddhist his links to the 1976 and 1992 massacres weigh heavily on the poor soul :o

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

OMR maybe being a good Buddhist his links to the 1976 and 1992 massacres weigh heavily on the poor soul :o

I wasn't aware that Samak was in Sondhi's military force that was involved in the 1976 and 1992 massacres?

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

OMR maybe being a good Buddhist his links to the 1976 and 1992 massacres weigh heavily on the poor soul :o

I wasn't aware that Samak was in Sondhi's military force that was involved in the 1976 and 1992 massacres?

I am sure you are quite capable of garnering information on Samak and the said events. It has been mentioned in media reports concerning curent events by media sources outside of Thailand if not within. Im sure many remember Giles Ungpakorn's challenge to Samak to clear his name a few years ago. It is not difficult to talk to October people who saw their colleagues raped and murdered in a hideaous way to ascertsain the nature of the invovlement in one of the events either. Sadly 1976 at least is something that is still a bit of a taboo subject in Thailand. But it is of a nature that it doesnt deserve to be disregarded by a facetious comment even is some would rather that past events were expunged from any record of the seemingly incoming PM.

Admittedly maybe I should have too given greater gravity to the tone of my original comment.

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Yongyuth may face suspension

Vote-buying case to be wrapped up next week

Yongyuth Tiyapairat's days as House Speaker could be numbered as the sub-panel probing the vote-buying case against him is expected to wrap up its investigation next week. This could bring about his suspension from the post. The sub-panel, headed by Suwit Thirapong, is reportedly in the final phase of summarising its investigation with two witnesses, including Yongyuth, left to give statements. Suwit said his sub-panel appointed by the EC is likely to conclude the investigation within the next week, if Yongyuth comes to testify. The sub-panel would forward to the EC its investigation report attached with a recommendation on whether it found the vote-buying allegation had grounds. The EC would then decide if it agrees with the recommendation. Should the sub-panel find Yongyuth guilty and the EC agrees with these findings, then the EC would refer the case to the Supreme Court. "If and when the court accepts the case for hearing, Yongyuth would be suspended from House Speaker duties pending deliberation on the case," said Suwit. The Speaker post, however, would be reserved for him in the event he is eventually cleared by the court and can return to work. During such time, the first deputy House Speaker would act in his place. A guilty verdict by the court, however, would effectively mean Yongyuth being banned from politics for five years. Suwit said the sub-committee understands that Yongyuth is tied up with House Speaker engagements. It will give him time to clear his schedule so he can speak to the sub-panel. "He is aware that the matter cannot wait. But it depends on when he is ready to give statements. We have coordinated with Yongyuth, but he has lots of work to do," said Suwit.

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This is just like his delays in coming in to watch the VCD's... delay and delay. It seems so odd that Yongyuth would consider that ANYTHING would be more pressing in his duties than to ensure he is cleared in order to HAVE those duties in the first place. Go in and testify already, will ya? This government is taking so long to form already. If they have to backtrack and select a new House Speaker because Yongyuth gets shit-canned, it'll take even longer.

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Yongyuth may face suspension

Vote-buying case to be wrapped up next week

Yongyuth Tiyapairat's days as House Speaker could be numbered as the sub-panel probing the vote-buying case against him is expected to wrap up its investigation next week. This could bring about his suspension from the post. The sub-panel, headed by Suwit Thirapong, is reportedly in the final phase of summarising its investigation with two witnesses, including Yongyuth, left to give statements. Suwit said his sub-panel appointed by the EC is likely to conclude the investigation within the next week, if Yongyuth comes to testify. The sub-panel would forward to the EC its investigation report attached with a recommendation on whether it found the vote-buying allegation had grounds. The EC would then decide if it agrees with the recommendation. Should the sub-panel find Yongyuth guilty and the EC agrees with these findings, then the EC would refer the case to the Supreme Court. "If and when the court accepts the case for hearing, Yongyuth would be suspended from House Speaker duties pending deliberation on the case," said Suwit. The Speaker post, however, would be reserved for him in the event he is eventually cleared by the court and can return to work. During such time, the first deputy House Speaker would act in his place. A guilty verdict by the court, however, would effectively mean Yongyuth being banned from politics for five years. Suwit said the sub-committee understands that Yongyuth is tied up with House Speaker engagements. It will give him time to clear his schedule so he can speak to the sub-panel. "He is aware that the matter cannot wait. But it depends on when he is ready to give statements. We have coordinated with Yongyuth, but he has lots of work to do," said Suwit.

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This is just like his delays in coming in to watch the VCD's... delay and delay. It seems so odd that Yongyuth would consider that ANYTHING would be more pressing in his duties than to ensure he is cleared in order to HAVE those duties in the first place. Go in and testify already, will ya? This government is taking so long to form already. If they have to backtrack and select a new House Speaker because Yongyuth gets shit-canned, it'll take even longer.

It looks more and more like he is just daring them. OK you may have evidence but do you actually have the guts to go through with a case against a man who is now one of the most powerful in the country, and do you think th ewitnesses will be standing up in court? As I ve said before lets see the 8 VCDs shown live on TV.

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Yongyuth may face suspension

Vote-buying case to be wrapped up next week

Yongyuth Tiyapairat's days as House Speaker could be numbered as the sub-panel probing the vote-buying case against him is expected to wrap up its investigation next week. This could bring about his suspension from the post. The sub-panel, headed by Suwit Thirapong, is reportedly in the final phase of summarising its investigation with two witnesses, including Yongyuth, left to give statements. Suwit said his sub-panel appointed by the EC is likely to conclude the investigation within the next week, if Yongyuth comes to testify. The sub-panel would forward to the EC its investigation report attached with a recommendation on whether it found the vote-buying allegation had grounds. The EC would then decide if it agrees with the recommendation. Should the sub-panel find Yongyuth guilty and the EC agrees with these findings, then the EC would refer the case to the Supreme Court. "If and when the court accepts the case for hearing, Yongyuth would be suspended from House Speaker duties pending deliberation on the case," said Suwit. The Speaker post, however, would be reserved for him in the event he is eventually cleared by the court and can return to work. During such time, the first deputy House Speaker would act in his place. A guilty verdict by the court, however, would effectively mean Yongyuth being banned from politics for five years. Suwit said the sub-committee understands that Yongyuth is tied up with House Speaker engagements. It will give him time to clear his schedule so he can speak to the sub-panel. "He is aware that the matter cannot wait. But it depends on when he is ready to give statements. We have coordinated with Yongyuth, but he has lots of work to do," said Suwit.

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This is just like his delays in coming in to watch the VCD's... delay and delay. It seems so odd that Yongyuth would consider that ANYTHING would be more pressing in his duties than to ensure he is cleared in order to HAVE those duties in the first place. Go in and testify already, will ya? This government is taking so long to form already. If they have to backtrack and select a new House Speaker because Yongyuth gets shit-canned, it'll take even longer.

Same tactic used by TRT and Shinawatra family members. Delay delay delay while they claim to be innocent. Nothing but a bunch of petty criminals with lots of cash to hire expensive lawyers who themselves are ready to bend over backwards and betray their country at the drop of a ten baht coin.

Just like TRT, the PPP strangely resembles the cast of a cheap Chinese gangster movie, only missing the funny little black fedora hat knock-offs.

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

OMR maybe being a good Buddhist his links to the 1976 and 1992 massacres weigh heavily on the poor soul :o

I wasn't aware that Samak was in Sondhi's military force that was involved in the 1976 and 1992 massacres?

I am sure you are quite capable of garnering information on Samak and the said events. It has been mentioned in media reports concerning curent events by media sources outside of Thailand if not within. Im sure many remember Giles Ungpakorn's challenge to Samak to clear his name a few years ago. It is not difficult to talk to October people who saw their colleagues raped and murdered in a hideaous way to ascertsain the nature of the invovlement in one of the events either. Sadly 1976 at least is something that is still a bit of a taboo subject in Thailand. But it is of a nature that it doesnt deserve to be disregarded by a facetious comment even is some would rather that past events were expunged from any record of the seemingly incoming PM.

Admittedly maybe I should have too given greater gravity to the tone of my original comment.

Got any links to support your view that Samak was involved?

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

OMR maybe being a good Buddhist his links to the 1976 and 1992 massacres weigh heavily on the poor soul :o

I wasn't aware that Samak was in Sondhi's military force that was involved in the 1976 and 1992 massacres?

I am sure you are quite capable of garnering information on Samak and the said events. It has been mentioned in media reports concerning curent events by media sources outside of Thailand if not within. Im sure many remember Giles Ungpakorn's challenge to Samak to clear his name a few years ago. It is not difficult to talk to October people who saw their colleagues raped and murdered in a hideaous way to ascertsain the nature of the invovlement in one of the events either. Sadly 1976 at least is something that is still a bit of a taboo subject in Thailand. But it is of a nature that it doesnt deserve to be disregarded by a facetious comment even is some would rather that past events were expunged from any record of the seemingly incoming PM.

Admittedly maybe I should have too given greater gravity to the tone of my original comment.

Got any links to support your view that Samak was involved?

chownah

Re 1976: If you have time to search the issue do so, it is interesting and educational. There are many small links to trawl through, the chang noi one about the history exam is not a bad start albiet a tad dated in some of its later comments. I would also recommend talking to some of the October people if you speak good enough Thai. They are very easy to find and quite willing to talk, which in itself is unusual as most in Thailand do not want to talk about this subject (it is a major taboo subject in Thailand), or maybe it is easier for people to talk to a foreigner on this issue. I have been told by academics there are also some Thai history books that state the role although I havent read them my self.

What I am saying is not something that is controversial in its content in Thailand (most know what happened) but controversial in that it is said (few are willing to talk). It has even been stated quite openly in international media reports relating to current events.

Re 1992: Samak and his party supported Gen Suchinda as PM. Samak later defended the killing of demonstrtors and justified it in a somewhat bizarre way.

I'll leave you to do your own research arther than clog the board with lots of links. If you hav trouble finding any PM me and I'll try to help out.

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

OMR maybe being a good Buddhist his links to the 1976 and 1992 massacres weigh heavily on the poor soul :o

I wasn't aware that Samak was in Sondhi's military force that was involved in the 1976 and 1992 massacres?

I am sure you are quite capable of garnering information on Samak and the said events. It has been mentioned in media reports concerning curent events by media sources outside of Thailand if not within. Im sure many remember Giles Ungpakorn's challenge to Samak to clear his name a few years ago. It is not difficult to talk to October people who saw their colleagues raped and murdered in a hideaous way to ascertsain the nature of the invovlement in one of the events either. Sadly 1976 at least is something that is still a bit of a taboo subject in Thailand. But it is of a nature that it doesnt deserve to be disregarded by a facetious comment even is some would rather that past events were expunged from any record of the seemingly incoming PM.

Admittedly maybe I should have too given greater gravity to the tone of my original comment.

Got any links to support your view that Samak was involved?

chownah

Re 1976: If you have time to search the issue do so, it is interesting and educational. There are many small links to trawl through, the chang noi one about the history exam is not a bad start albiet a tad dated in some of its later comments. I would also recommend talking to some of the October people if you speak good enough Thai. They are very easy to find and quite willing to talk, which in itself is unusual as most in Thailand do not want to talk about this subject (it is a major taboo subject in Thailand), or maybe it is easier for people to talk to a foreigner on this issue. I have been told by academics there are also some Thai history books that state the role although I havent read them my self.

What I am saying is not something that is controversial in its content in Thailand (most know what happened) but controversial in that it is said (few are willing to talk). It has even been stated quite openly in international media reports relating to current events.

Re 1992: Samak and his party supported Gen Suchinda as PM. Samak later defended the killing of demonstrtors and justified it in a somewhat bizarre way.

I'll leave you to do your own research arther than clog the board with lots of links. If you hav trouble finding any PM me and I'll try to help out.

Are you suggesting that Gen. Sondhi didn't defend the Army's actions and somehow pursued the prosecution of those in his military responsible? Why is that Samak's detractors always bring up 1976 and then go on to defend Sondhi and his military interventions?

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

OMR maybe being a good Buddhist his links to the 1976 and 1992 massacres weigh heavily on the poor soul :o

I wasn't aware that Samak was in Sondhi's military force that was involved in the 1976 and 1992 massacres?

I am sure you are quite capable of garnering information on Samak and the said events. It has been mentioned in media reports concerning curent events by media sources outside of Thailand if not within. Im sure many remember Giles Ungpakorn's challenge to Samak to clear his name a few years ago. It is not difficult to talk to October people who saw their colleagues raped and murdered in a hideaous way to ascertsain the nature of the invovlement in one of the events either. Sadly 1976 at least is something that is still a bit of a taboo subject in Thailand. But it is of a nature that it doesnt deserve to be disregarded by a facetious comment even is some would rather that past events were expunged from any record of the seemingly incoming PM.

Admittedly maybe I should have too given greater gravity to the tone of my original comment.

Got any links to support your view that Samak was involved?

chownah

You are just being facetious :D

Read a history book, there are plenty around, that will show Samak was well and truely involved :D

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

In Thailand, I've not noticed that everyone is obliged to make eye contact with everyone else in the elevator.

And, after the farang got out of the elevator, all the Thais started laughing. "Why was that farang looking at all of us?" clucked one secretary holidng her plastic bag of noodles. "..I didn't know what to do so I just looked down and thought about what to eat for lunch.." :o

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I saw the soon to be PM in an elevator today. Unlike everyone else in the elevator he did not make eye contact with anyone, but rather just stared at the floor. No people skills here.

In Thailand, I've not noticed that everyone is obliged to make eye contact with everyone else in the elevator.

And, after the farang got out of the elevator, all the Thais started laughing. "Why was that farang looking at all of us?" clucked one secretary holidng her plastic bag of noodles. "..I didn't know what to do so I just looked down and thought about what to eat for lunch.." :o

Were you there? Did you enjoy your noodles?

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I went out and looked a bit for an explanation about Samak's role in the 1976 violence and haven't found it. I did find a site which says, "Samak was not reappointed to the Cabinet for the short-live Cabinet of Seni government again from September 25 1976 to the coup on October 6 1976. Given the prominent linking of Samak’s name to October 6 one would seemingly think that he was some prominent leader, but he was at best a minor player in the events of October 6, 1976."

And of course there is the Wikipedia article for whatever that is worth which doesn't really say much about any involvement.

Maybe its all just rumors but I'm tired of looking and finding nothing...too bad that those who want to make accusations about his involvements can't come up with some links to show it....I'm not denying that he was involved but I haven't been able to find it so far....I have found that from my perspective he seems to always be on the wrong side of things and at least if he was not involved in historic violence he at least showed his approval of it in certain instances.

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