Direct Dependent Origination (patitjasamupbat)

[Nudee]

Direct Dependent Origination (Patitjasamupbat)

Dependent on lgnorance (avitsha) arise Kamma-Formations (sangkala)

Dependent on Kamma-Formations (sangkala) arise Consciousness (winyan)

Dependent on Consciousness (winyan) arise Mind and Matter (nam and roop)

Dependent on Mind and Matter (nam and roop) arise the Six Sense-Bases. (ayatana)

Dependent on the Six Sense-Bases (ayatana) arises Contact (passa)

Dependent on Contact (passa) arise Feeling (wetana)

Dependent on Feeling (wetana) arise Craving (tanha)

Dependent on Craving (tanha) arises Clinging (upatan, attachment)

Dependent on Clinging (upatan) arises Becoming (pob)

Dependent on Becoming (pob) arises Birth (chati)

Dependent on Birth arise Decay and Death (chara and morana)

There also arise sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair.

Thus arises this whole mass of suffering.

5 causes in the past (avitsha, sangkala, tanha, upatan, pob) cause 5 effects in present (vinyan, nam & roop, ayatana, passa and wetana)

5 causes in the present (avitsha, sangkala, tanha, upatan, pob) cause 5 effects in the future (vinyan, nam & roop, ayatana, passa and wetana)

Those factors continue driving the wheel of existence.

That's the core of buddhism. It's the law of nature (suffering of beings in this case) discovered by lord buddha 2500 years ago. Its principle is based on iddhappajayata which is the megalaw which cover just about everything in the nature. It's the law which seperate science and pseudo-science and it's the same principle of today's science.

To start on buddhism, you need to start with this law so that you won't get lost on what foreign to the original teaching of Lord Buddha.

[Virin]

Thank you for sharing and good advice. Before I started reading Patitjasamupbat, iddhappajayat, passa, etc. I had so many questions in Dharma as my thoughts was clung on modern lifestyle, how we were raised, taught in school, workplace, society. I might be given up or still confusing if I didn't read the core Dharma (not confusing interpretations ) and also practice meditation to gain the result from what I read.

[Nudee]

Thank you for sharing and good advice. Before I started reading Patitjasamupbat, iddhappajayat, passa, etc. I had so many questions in Dharma as my thoughts was clung on modern lifestyle, how we were raised, taught in school, workplace, society. I might be given up or still confusing if I didn't read the core Dharma (not confusing interpretations ) and also practice meditation to gain the result from what I read.

Yes, anapanasati is the technique lord Buddha used to seek samati/panya (light). Meditation is an ancient technique used by yoki long before buddha's era. Lord Buddha was lucky he had this technique to help learning the law of nature.

Sadly, many buddhists nowaday think meditation is all about buddhism. So, many people are just happy with meditation and some even go the wrong way using it to perform magic :-) That's because they don't know where to go next. They don't take a look at what lord buddha discovered with his anapanasati under the great Bo. So, they don't know what to do next with meditation technique.

Please remember that meditation is only the technique lord buddha used to seek samati/panya and that's all about it. If you know what you are to do next with meditation, then at least you are in the right path.

Pattijasamubbat is the theory, anapanasati is the practice. It's a long way to go before you can shade the light (panya) which will end avitcha and hence end the wheel of existence (nippan).

When you are at the right door to cross to the other side, the hardest part for you is to leave your desire to cross it because that's a big chunk of atta itself :-)

[sabaijai]

Anapansati is one of four foundations of mindfulness the Buddha taught, cf Maha-Satipatthana Sutta. And more can be found in the Visuddhimagga.

[sleepyjohn]

Sadly, many buddhists nowaday think meditation is all about buddhism.

As you use the term nippan I'm going to take a wild guess you're Thai. Perhaps you're saying "Sadly many Buddhists think meditation is all there is to Buddhism".

This is an important point.

I'm going to assume by meditation you mean samatha practise rather than thinking or contemplation which meditation more originally means. Excellent though it is, the Platform sutra for one suggests "meditation" alone can only take us so far, and that it is an understanding that will help us.

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meditate

verb

please allow me more time to meditate contemplate, think, consider, ponder, muse, reflect, deliberate, ruminate, chew the cud, brood, mull something over; be in a brown study, be deep/lost in thought, debate with oneself; pray; informal put on one's thinking cap; formal cogitate.)

[Virin]

I met some Westerners, claim they are serious Buddhist, meditate regularly but deny to learn Dharma .

[IMChris]

Direct Dependent Origination (Patitjasamupbat)

Dependent on lgnorance (avitsha) arise Kamma-Formations (sangkala)

Dependent on Kamma-Formations (sangkala) arise Consciousness (winyan)

Dependent on Consciousness (winyan) arise Mind and Matter (nam and roop)

Dependent on Mind and Matter (nam and roop) arise the Six Sense-Bases. (ayatana)

Dependent on the Six Sense-Bases (ayatana) arises Contact (passa)

Dependent on Contact (passa) arise Feeling (wetana)

Dependent on Feeling (wetana) arise Craving (tanha)

Dependent on Craving (tanha) arises Clinging (upatan, attachment)

Dependent on Clinging (upatan) arises Becoming (pob)

Dependent on Becoming (pob) arises Birth (chati)

Dependent on Birth arise Decay and Death (chara and morana)

There also arise sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair.

Thus arises this whole mass of suffering.

5 causes in the past (avitsha, sangkala, tanha, upatan, pob) cause 5 effects in present (vinyan, nam & roop, ayatana, passa and wetana)

5 causes in the present (avitsha, sangkala, tanha, upatan, pob) cause 5 effects in the future (vinyan, nam & roop, ayatana, passa and wetana)

Those factors continue driving the wheel of existence.

That's the core of buddhism. It's the law of nature (suffering of beings in this case) discovered by lord buddha 2500 years ago. Its principle is based on iddhappajayata which is the megalaw which cover just about everything in the nature. It's the law which seperate science and pseudo-science and it's the same principle of today's science.

To start on buddhism, you need to start with this law so that you won't get lost on what foreign to the original teaching of Lord Buddha.

Is this in the THERAVADA tradition ? Because when I Googled Patitjasamupbat

It brought back to this page. Hmmmmm Could you tell me where to look for this.

[Nudee]

Direct Dependent Origination (Patitjasamupbat)

Dependent on lgnorance (avitsha) arise Kamma-Formations (sangkala)

Dependent on Kamma-Formations (sangkala) arise Consciousness (winyan)

Dependent on Consciousness (winyan) arise Mind and Matter (nam and roop)

Dependent on Mind and Matter (nam and roop) arise the Six Sense-Bases. (ayatana)

Dependent on the Six Sense-Bases (ayatana) arises Contact (passa)

Dependent on Contact (passa) arise Feeling (wetana)

Dependent on Feeling (wetana) arise Craving (tanha)

Dependent on Craving (tanha) arises Clinging (upatan, attachment)

Dependent on Clinging (upatan) arises Becoming (pob)

Dependent on Becoming (pob) arises Birth (chati)

Dependent on Birth arise Decay and Death (chara and morana)

There also arise sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair.

Thus arises this whole mass of suffering.

5 causes in the past (avitsha, sangkala, tanha, upatan, pob) cause 5 effects in present (vinyan, nam & roop, ayatana, passa and wetana)

5 causes in the present (avitsha, sangkala, tanha, upatan, pob) cause 5 effects in the future (vinyan, nam & roop, ayatana, passa and wetana)

Those factors continue driving the wheel of existence.

That's the core of buddhism. It's the law of nature (suffering of beings in this case) discovered by lord buddha 2500 years ago. Its principle is based on iddhappajayata which is the megalaw which cover just about everything in the nature. It's the law which seperate science and pseudo-science and it's the same principle of today's science.

To start on buddhism, you need to start with this law so that you won't get lost on what foreign to the original teaching of Lord Buddha.

Is this in the THERAVADA tradition ? Because when I Googled Patitjasamupbat

It brought back to this page. Hmmmmm Could you tell me where to look for this.

See this:

http://www.84000.org/tipitaka/dic/d_item.php?i=340

[Nudee]

Is this in the THERAVADA tradition ? Because when I Googled Patitjasamupbat

It brought back to this page. Hmmmmm Could you tell me where to look for this.

It's my Thai way to spell it. Pali/sanskrit is mixed into the Thai language so that I don't really know what the original Pali it is. Don't know how to romanize it correctly either. So don't try google it, you will find only my post :-)

See this instead: http://www.84000.org/tipitaka/dic/d_item.php?i=340

It's a good place to learn each element in the Iddhappajayata-Patitjasamupbat since it contains both Thai and some English teaching. I am not sure whether the existing English tripitaka was complete translated. You may miss some essential chapter/content if learning in the English version only.

Again, this is the theory part only. We need to pratice (to learn what causes suffering, how to end it etc,) and a good (probably the best) way is through Anapanasati, which is the technique/vehicle Lord Buddha recommened to his Bhikkhu see http://www.84000.org/tipitaka/dic/d_item.php?i=346 (some English translation)

and

http://www.84000.org/tipitaka/read/?14/282-291/190-202 (Thai only) for the details of the 16 steps Lord Buddha taught his Bhikkhu in thoese days.

There are hundreds of technique used by Yogi in those days (and of course thousands of method derived by modern meditation teachers nowaday), but Anapanasati is the (only) technique Lord buddha recommended to his Bhikkhu. So, it's best to learn Anapanasati rather than learning other less efficient techniques. And the best place to learn Anapanasati is from Tripitaka directly. It's just my humble opinion but probably useful for people here who want to walk the same path Lord Buddha did 2500 years ago.

Please note that although born Buddhist, I am just a student (not a teacher) in this field. Probably someone else will have a better way than the way I choose. :-)

[Brucenkhamen]

Is this in the THERAVADA tradition ? Because when I Googled Patitjasamupbat

It brought back to this page. Hmmmmm Could you tell me where to look for this.

The Pali word is Paticcasamuppāda, the english translation is Dependent Origination.

You'll have more luck with these.

Nudee is using a Thai-ised Pali in phonetic english script.

[Nudee]

Is this in the THERAVADA tradition ? Because when I Googled Patitjasamupbat

It brought back to this page. Hmmmmm Could you tell me where to look for this.

The Pali word is Paticcasamuppāda, the english translation is Dependent Origination.

You'll have more luck with these.

Nudee is using a Thai-ised Pali in phonetic english script.

Thank you Brucenkhamen. I never known how to write it in correct romanized way. It's difficult even in Thai to write it right. It's even harder for me to write this word - Paticcasamuppāda :-)

[sleepyjohn]

There are hundreds of technique used by Yogi in those days (and of course thousands of method derived by modern meditation teachers nowaday), but Anapanasati is the (only) technique Lord buddha recommended to his Bhikkhu.

I'm not sure that's quite correct.

I always thought satipatthana, contemplation of the four foundations of mindfulness, was most highly recommended. It's certainly more comprehensive. Anupannasati is in there of course, it's one part of the contemplation of the body section.

Now I think of it he recommended different practices in different sections of the Satipatthana Sutta to suit different types of personality.

[sabaijai]

Sleepyjohn is correct. Anapanasati is not the only technique taught by the Buddha, as the Mahasatipatthana Sutta makes clear. Anapanasati is a samatha (concentration) method, and some teachers consider it only a preliminary technique to prepare one for satipatthana vipassana. And of course pure abhdhammists say you don't need meditation at all to attain right view, rather correct apprehension of the dhammas. Quite a complex issue, this.

[seonai]

The book Paticcasamuppāda by Buddhadasa Bikkhu explains this in a wonderful way that we can understand

[Nudee]

There are hundreds of technique used by Yogi in those days (and of course thousands of method derived by modern meditation teachers nowaday), but Anapanasati is the (only) technique Lord buddha recommended to his Bhikkhu.

I'm not sure that's quite correct.

I always thought satipatthana, contemplation of the four foundations of mindfulness, was most highly recommended. It's certainly more comprehensive. Anupannasati is in there of course, it's one part of the contemplation of the body section.

Now I think of it he recommended different practices in different sections of the Satipatthana Sutta to suit different types of personality.

Anapanasati Sutr is more than the body part. It combines Samata and Vipassana in one sequence.

The 16 bases cover Body, Wetana, Jit and Dhamm

The first 4 steps deal with body, to know you body and "body in body (your breathing)"

The second 4 steps deal with wetana

The third 4 steps deal with Jit (mind)

and the last 4 steps are pure vipassana, it deal with Dhamma ( impermanence, fading away, cessation and relinquishment)

It's a well defined steps and the saftest way to follow the path.

One advantage is that it can be done anywhere, on the bus, on the train walking, working.

For some people, you can short cut to the third 4 steps (Jit). Use your Jit to teah your Jit.

Jit is something you can't controlled but it can be taught.

What I am practicing is using Sati to keep my Jit with me. Sending Jit out to something else is Samudaya -> Dukkha (Suffering)

Keeping your Jit to see your Jit -> Magga -> Norodha

Jit can learn by seeing itself while it performing things.

Shift from "seeing things" (actor) to "seeing what is seeing things" (observer)

Just observe how your Jit reacts to Lobha, Moha and Dosa.

Just see and know it, don't control it. Jit will learn itself.