Burglaries In Sai Yuan

[jitagon]

Friend of mine awoke early hours of this morning to find someone rummaging around in his room. He told me he ran out to get something to defend himself with if the burglar had a gun/knife.

Thing is, I have two very ferocious dogs which I keep inside the house, for fear of poisoning (three dogs poisoned this week adjacent soi) Not a murmur from them! 'Come in, chern chern'. Found friend holding tightly onto closed door of his room holding a gardening implement. I called the police, who I have to say, impressively arrived very promptly, three of them, guns at the ready a la American cop style movie, burst open the door, and of course, nothing.

Almost every house in the area has had a break-in recently. So be on your guard.

All this relative affluence next to all the poverty here really taking it's toll now? Or do small Thai villages/towns have the same problems? Wouldn't have thought on such a large scale, more closely knit?. Most of the farang around here barely speak to one another

Edited March 28, 2008 by jitagon

[steelepulse]

Friend of mine awoke early hours of this morning to find someone rummaging around in his room. He told me he ran out to get something to defend himself with if the burglar had a gun/knife.

Thing is, I have two very ferocious dogs which I keep inside the house, for fear of poisoning (three dogs poisoned this week adjacent soi) Not a murmur from them! 'Come in, chern chern'. Found friend holding tightly onto closed door of his room holding a gardening implement. I called the police, who I have to say, impressively arrived very promptly, three of them, guns at the ready a la American cop style movie, burst open the door, and of course, nothing.

Almost every house in the area has had a break-in recently. So be on your guard.

All this relative affluence next to all the poverty here really taking it's toll now? Or do small Thai villages/towns have the same problems? Wouldn't have thought on such a large scale, more closely knit?. Most of the farang around here barely speak to one another

Seems like Sai Yuan always has a round of break-ins each year.  I have a friend who who multiple advanced martial arts training and he's been broken into many times.  I also talked to a Thai owner in that area and he had the same thing happen at his house.  A decent alarm system might be of help.

Now about your fericious dogs, did the burglars break into your house and they did nothing, or did I miss exactly what that "come come chern chern" meant?

[fiddlehead]

Yes, many of my friend's have been robbed in the past 2 years, especially near Soi Sai Yuan.

Luckily i live about a mile away and on a street which has many dogs that sort of live on the street. If they don't know someone in the area at night, we all know it and wake up to investigate.

I think that's what keeps us safe.

I've heard these burglars sometimes use some kind of gas to keep the dogs quiet or perhaps food???

2 of my friends were robbed twice within 2 months. I would install a battery powered alarm system of some kind if i lived over there. (i hear they cut wires if they think there's an alarm system

Yes, it happens a lot. BEWARE. get a safe, they only seem to take credit cards, cash, jewelry, cell phones. (my one friend had his cell phone stolen and i called the no. a few days later and it was a girl in Ranong. Leads me to believe they theives are from Myramar but not necessarily.

Big difference between poverty level and rich Farang here perhaps is also a big part of the problem.

[Redted]

Yes, many of my friend's have been robbed in the past 2 years, especially near Soi Sai Yuan.

Luckily i live about a mile away and on a street which has many dogs that sort of live on the street. If they don't know someone in the area at night, we all know it and wake up to investigate.

I think that's what keeps us safe.

I've heard these burglars sometimes use some kind of gas to keep the dogs quiet or perhaps food???

2 of my friends were robbed twice within 2 months. I would install a battery powered alarm system of some kind if i lived over there. (i hear they cut wires if they think there's an alarm system

Yes, it happens a lot. BEWARE. get a safe, they only seem to take credit cards, cash, jewelry, cell phones. (my one friend had his cell phone stolen and i called the no. a few days later and it was a girl in Ranong. Leads me to believe they theives are from Myramar but not necessarily.

Big difference between poverty level and rich Farang here perhaps is also a big part of the problem.

I like your thinking!

Street dogs are tolerated in Thailand for the purpose of night time alerts.But most of the time the locals will turn over and go back to sleep when a dog starts barking, saying " They must have seen a ghost or spirit."

We have no street dogs down our street, had a few at one time, until the bar seaward poisoned both of them. Reason for the first dog snuffing it was for biting his daughter when she was on the street eating food.Second dog was for pissing up his tuk tuk and chewing the family's flip flops. Came home one day and noticed dog 2, trying to vomit, and on the other side of the street Mr tuk tuk was digging a hole before the dog was dead, " it gave me the creeps I can tell ya."

I live in a Thai community and will be again when I move soon. Most burglars will break into your house in the day light hours and most of the time target a rich community with nice houses and cars outside, nice bit of gold, big bulge in the back pocket, ect, ect.

If the falang mixed up a bit they would be a harder target,why live together when you don't talk to eachother. Nothing wrong with living in a Thai style house. Make sure you lock up at night and as already stated get a big safe for your valubles for peace of mind, BIG safe is around 10.000 to buy and takes four men to carry it.

Ted.

P.S The pic below is my mate and he is looking for a job... Any one interested?

Edited March 28, 2008 by Redted

[MisterMan]

Jitagon,

Thanks for the information. I have been house hunting and saw a place off of Sai Yuan and my friend recently moved there. I didnt want to be a fear monger but am familar with the reputation of this area...

So does anyone have an alarm? And what kind of alarm is useless and what is good?

Is an alarm not a deterrent then?

Nor a dog?

Do the criminals ever get violent? I understand we must be viligant and smart but I hate to live in fear. ...

Would be interested to hear more stories, and also from anyone who has an alarm ...

Thanks for keeping us informed!

MM

[MisterMan]

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Edited March 28, 2008 by MisterMan

[steelepulse]

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You can train your dog to not eat anything from someone they don't know, takes a lot of training, but you can do it.  You train it to only eat in a certain place from people they know.

As far as alarms, you can get perimeter laser beams, or get cameras set up and you will have all the video evidence you need ( although looking at another thread which showed trucks dumping rubbish, the BIB say video evidence isn't enough).

[chickencurry]

Yes, it happens a lot. BEWARE. get a safe,

... until the safe gets stolen! - happened at a "secure, gated" development recently not a million miles from Sai Yuan.

[fiddlehead]

I always thought you bolted them to the floor. (safes)

Shows how much i know about valuables. I guess you must have them before you need to worry about them.

[amanda76]

So does anyone have an alarm?

I have one. I bought him as a puppy, hand feed him, took him to bed with me, and loved him very much.

I suggest one.

I may have to put him down after he rips apart the burgler, but they have more, I've seen them.

IMHO, Thais, like any other culture, do what it takes to survive. Some, resort to stealing. I am cool with this. Someone has to lose right? Well, it may sound harsh, but what are you doing to protect yourself?

I have a dog to send out first, to occupy the thief, while I plan accordingly. The chances of the dog falling in battle are good if the thief has brought a weapon, but more for a Cocker Spaniel.

My cousins hunt Wild Boar with Pit Bulls. The only gun is for the Pit. You release Soi Dogs and they corner the Boar. Then send in the pit to down him, and then you capture it and take it home to fatten up. This way, he makes a great wall piece, and his is fat and plump. I once watched the pit latch onto a soi (Bay) ((Mutt)) dog and it took 6 bullets to get him off. They slit his throat and threw him in the bayou, and he came back out. They have incredible resolve.

My girl is as gentle as a butterfly. You can pet her and scratch her belly and she'll give you the baby eyes...she is snoring at my feet right now.

But come in my house unwanted....((see attached))

She is a Professionally Trained Fur Coated Razor Blade

~a~

[jitagon]

The fact that the dogs were inside the house (and so couldn't be fed/gassed/hypnotised) until someone had already entered the premises, was the excruciatingly bewildering thing! My dogs (thai mix, big size) bark at everything and everyone that moves, from lizards and leaves in the pool to everytime someone walks past the gate (drives me mad, trying to train them out of it but not much success so far).

I really couldn't care less about anyone entering the house as I never keep money or jewellery in here, ever. And I've never heard of a Thai burglar being violent, comes from the non-confrontational culture(?) But my dogs just have me completely stumped.

[MisterMan]

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As far as alarms, you can get perimeter laser beams, or get cameras set up and you will have all the video evidence you need ( although looking at another thread which showed trucks dumping rubbish, the BIB say video evidence isn't enough).

Cameras? I dont want anyone comming in!! Im a total wus about having a someone in my house, I just assume hide under my bed!! And my good friend has kids.. something like that could really be a terrifying experience.

I have *&!@ - all in my house to steel except this dinasour of a computer. Even my old nokia probably isnt worth stealing. I just want to keep out the boogeyman!!!

I have a dog that is protective of me but I also have heard of so many poisining stories. I can agree with Amanda though I konw of some wild pigs, constantly having babies, in Phuket and when the locals want a pig roast they get the dogs on them, just your normal thai dogs.... They throw a rock at the pig they want ...

Amanda, I thought you said you had a BULL dog?????not pit pull!!!

Anyone been robbed even thought they have an alarm? FIrst hand or 2nd hand stories???

[LivinLOS]

A handsome animal and if the owner treats the dog properly, has it mentally healthy and trained, controlled etc I am sure probably the best defense you could have. Of course a dog like that who isnt controlled, isnt mentally healthy (usually the owners fault IMO) is also a problem waiting to happen.

I wish my lifestyle was stable enough to own a Dog, but I am too mobile and away to give the animal the attention and home it needs. So alarms or other detterants have to be thought of.

[WOOHOO]

A handsome animal and if the owner treats the dog properly, has it mentally healthy and trained, controlled etc I am sure probably the best defense you could have. Of course a dog like that who isn't controlled, isn't mentally healthy (usually the owners fault IMO) is also a problem waiting to happen.

I was thinking the same. Although I was also thinking, that even the best trained, well loved dogs, of breeds like that, have been known just to wake up in a bad mood, or just forget who they are for 10 seconds, and rip a child to pieces. I could never take that chance. These animals aren't banned in several countries for nothing. I'm not insinuating you shouldn't have one, if they're legal, just wouldn't fancy it myself.

[amanda76]

Amanda, I thought you said you had a BULL dog?????not pit pull!!!

Ummm. I forgot to mention, I am a Huge Dog Lover, and I have 2 dogs now. 1 is a bulldog, but she is young, so she would sleep through a train wreck. She snores so loud, you can hear her from upstairs.

She was supposed to be a Guard Dog, but... she is such a cute fat puppy.

For a country to allow the current soi dog situation to flurish (and yes, I said flurish.), and coupled with the amazing amount of bugs, ticks, fleas, and mosquitoes, plus the poisonings???

They stay inside in the A/C, and only go out with me to run on the beach while I swim.

I have heard so many people say it is not normal for a Good Thai Buddhist to take a life, no matter what the.....yea, whatever...

I've gotten off topic, but as far as having your house robbed, and your dogs wanting no part of it???

First, unass your dogs. Most people don't have the dedication or the heart (spanking) but training a K9 to Guard is not at all hard to do. Soi Dogs are only loyal to their options. Whereas, my dog won't make the same mistakes. Meaning, she won't bark at you because she doesn't want to scare you off. She isn't confined to any particular area, and can go in and out as she pleases. If you give her food, she won't eat it until I touch it, and smell it.

I get all this from my Uncle. He is deep south ex-vietnam living like a Pikey (no offense intended to Pikey's or the like), and he has 4 dogs. No one ever seems to bother him. Dogs are the best Alarms.

I am at the beach everyday some days at 5-6am if anyone ever wants to see my babies .

~a~

Someone needs a home...

[amanda76]

have been known just to wake up in a bad mood, or just forget who they are for 10 seconds, and rip a child to pieces. I could never take that chance. These animals aren't banned in several countries for nothing. I'm not insinuating you shouldn't have one, if they're legal, just wouldn't fancy it myself.

The action of the dog is typically a reflection of the owner. Moody Pits are normally neglected or have been couped up for too long. If you watch Animal Planet enough you are bound to see the "Houston Animal Cops" show. Always, it seems, that the one animal that is the star of the show is your everyday average run of the mill garage pit bull that no one loved, they just bred for sport fighting. If Child Soldiers can be taught to fire AK-47's, then a dog can be taught to do most anything.

My neighbor has a Pomerainian that is far more ferocious than any pit I have ever seen. Dogs are what you make them, if you don't teach them, they will use what they have, and that is fairly little. Faces are very different, but smells are undeniable to a dog. By teaching her that welcome guests are stopped so she can smell them and check them out. Unwanted Guests are either not invited in, or mauled at the door. In America, we have a simple, unwritten, common sense rule, "don't mess with people you don't know because they might be armed!" No kidding.

I think if you would have had my dog at your house, she would have scared the living &%# out of your burgler, and then would have straightened out your dogs.

I realize that this is very emotional for the victims, and my heart goes out to you. But I couldn't imagine coming home to an empty dark house. Instead, I am always met quietly at the door with a smile and a wag.

I wish more people loved dogs as much as I do.

~a~

[WOOHOO]

have been known just to wake up in a bad mood, or just forget who they are for 10 seconds, and rip a child to pieces. I could never take that chance. These animals aren't banned in several countries for nothing. I'm not insinuating you shouldn't have one, if they're legal, just wouldn't fancy it myself.

The action of the dog is typically a reflection of the owner. Moody Pits are normally neglected or have been couped up for too long. If you watch Animal Planet enough you are bound to see the "Houston Animal Cops" show. Always, it seems, that the one animal that is the star of the show is your everyday average run of the mill garage pit bull that no one loved, they just bred for sport fighting. If Child Soldiers can be taught to fire AK-47's, then a dog can be taught to do most anything.

Earlier you described a pitt bull that savaged another dog, took 6 bullets, had it's throat cut and was then thrown in to a bayou (can you tell me what one of those is please) and was still up for a fight!! If that isn't enough to give me nightmares tonight I don't know what is. My point is that your dog at home, is exactly the same as that dog, because it's had the same hundreds of years of breading that make them both genetically savage hunting, killing machines. All you are doing when you give your dog, a lovely, caring home is suppressing those urges, but you will never remove them completely. I would rather come face to face with an angry bloke, 6' 5" tall and with a bat in his hand, than come across an angry pitt bull. With the dog it's pure instinct, there's no reasoning, no logic, just the instinctive urge to kill. Maybe I'm being a tart, but that gives me the willies. I'm not trying to piss you off, because obviously this is your baby I'm talking about, and the chance of it ever doing anything wrong is minuscule, I just think if you believe there isn't even a 1% chance of your dog biting someone one day, then you're not being realistic.

P.S As you are a huge dog lover, I must admit, I find it quite strange you would go hunting with your cousins, knowing there is a chance one of the dogs may need to be shot and have it's throat slit, I can't see Barbara Woodhouse enjoying that very much!!

[Redted]

I realize that this is very emotional for the victims, and my heart goes out to you. But I couldn't imagine coming home to an empty dark house. Instead, I am always met quietly at the door with a smile and a wag.

I wish more people loved dogs as much as I do.

~a~

Dogs are great... But I have yet to see one smile... mybe its wind?

[steelepulse]

Actually an authentic pit bull from good lines is a great dog and family companion. It it only recently  that people have been breeding pit bulls to fight other dogs.  I would never have one as I have many kids around my house, but a good dog from a good lineage will be fine and not be the savage beast that they are portrayed to be.  That having been said, most pit bull breeders are not breeding for these qualities anymore.

[WOOHOO]

Actually an authentic pit bull from good lines is a great dog and family companion. It it only recently that people have been breeding pit bulls to fight other dogs. I would never have one as I have many kids around my house, but a good dog from a good lineage will be fine and not be the savage beast that they are portrayed to be. That having been said, most pit bull breeders are not breeding for these qualities anymore.

I'm coming round to the first bit of that statement (slightly). It would appear after a bit of digging, that maybe I was a bit too harsh on them. They were brought to America in 1870, and apparently were loyal farm dogs and family pets, and have been ever since. Although you are wrong, when you say they have only been bread to fight recently. They originally came from the crossing of Bull dogs and Terriers (no shit, I hear you say) when bull baiting was banned in 1835. (Bull baiting is letting a bull dog savage a tethered bull, in an attempt to make the meat more tender) weren't we a clever bunch back then!! Not happy with their blood sport being taken away, people turned to dog on dog fighting, and crossed the Bull with the Terrier to make the perfect dog for the job, breading traits in such as a very high pain threshold, superior blood clotting ability to aid him when wounded, a willingness to fight to the end, and an unmatched affection for people.(Bugger). They actually get their name, Pitt bull terrier, from the Pitt they were in when they were ratting, not fighting other dogs. (Ratting is simply the dog in a Pitt with a shed load of rats and a certain amount of time to kill as many as he can.) Nice. Now comes the slight begging of pardon bit. Pitt bulls, whilst being trained to be aggressive to other dogs, were trained to be loyal to people. If a dog ever bit or was aggressive to a person, it was instantly killed. So it would seem, a desire to hurt humans, has technically been bread out over the years. (until recently) So if I see one coming towards me on the beach at 6am, maybe I won't crap myself after all. Although to be honest, I probably still will. Apologies to those still waiting for some burglary advice, we've gone off on a bit of a tangent, as most conversations do, but I for one, found it all quite interesting.

P.S. As much as I have held my hands up and said I may have been a bit harsh on the breed, as Steelepulse said, any dogs like these around children has to be a major no.

[stuandchris]

This seems to have gone off thread a bit but I can't resist the vicious pommeranian, one well place boot would but it two gardens away!

As for the original thread, it is not your area alone. Rawai has an epidemic of break in's, I live in a Soi of six houses, all but mine has been broken into in the last three months, I am the only one with steel security sceens.

My friend who moved a hundred metres away from me two weeks ago has already been robbed.

I am writing this now at midnight having been sitting outside and watching two people on a bike come into the end of our Soi, I shouted hello what do you want? They turned the bike around, switched off the lights and zoomed away.

People in Rawai don't even bother reporting break in's anymore, there is no point, having said that I told my friend to report the theft of his laptop, he filled out the report and was told there is little chance of getting it back. He then mentioned he would pay a handsome reward for the return on the computer, no questions asked and was told we will have it back within a week!

It is a shame but the feeling here now is, falang=Target, police don't care unless there is a profit in it for them.

It will turn round and bite them on the arse in a couple of years but there is lot of this to go through yet. Look after yourself, this is paradise but only if you underatnd the limitations.

[thaigerd]

So does anyone have an alarm?

I have one. I bought him as a puppy, hand feed him, took him to bed with me, and loved him very much.

I suggest one.

I may have to put him down after he rips apart the burgler, but they have more, I've seen them.

IMHO, Thais, like any other culture, do what it takes to survive. Some, resort to stealing. I am cool with this. Someone has to lose right? Well, it may sound harsh, but what are you doing to protect yourself?

I have a dog to send out first, to occupy the thief, while I plan accordingly. The chances of the dog falling in battle are good if the thief has brought a weapon, but more for a Cocker Spaniel.

My cousins hunt Wild Boar with Pit Bulls. The only gun is for the Pit. You release Soi Dogs and they corner the Boar. Then send in the pit to down him, and then you capture it and take it home to fatten up. This way, he makes a great wall piece, and his is fat and plump. I once watched the pit latch onto a soi (Bay) ((Mutt)) dog and it took 6 bullets to get him off. They slit his throat and threw him in the bayou, and he came back out. They have incredible resolve.

My girl is as gentle as a butterfly. You can pet her and scratch her belly and she'll give you the baby eyes...she is snoring at my feet right now.

But come in my house unwanted....((see attached))

She is a Professionally Trained Fur Coated Razor Blade

~a~

Nearly same me.

I f they know someone no problem at all, for strangers a bit of problem to get into my house(barking alarming).

They protect my wife when I am not here, but gentle as a butterfly.

Gerd

[ClaytonSeymour]

Perhaps this thread may prove to be of interest:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=173759

Edited March 30, 2008 by ClaytonSeymour

[steelepulse]

Perhaps this thread may prove to be of interest:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=173759

I've got a 60 kg dogo argentino and a thai dog and so far for the last 5 years that has served me well as everyone in the nieghborhood knows that there are easier targets.

[McGee]

I had 3 breakins in my House at Saiyuan in the last 4 Years. The last two times the Police did not even bother to come out. The last time two weeks ago. My Neightbor who has a Dog barking at every Occaision did not hear anything although he must have used bigger Tools because he had to break the Doorframe to take the Glass out. Two Nights later again Noises under my bedroom Window. I switched all Lights on and ran behind him. Naked with a Meat Cleaver. But i gave up after 100m. Now i installed a heavvy Door and inside Cameras with Motion Sensor. Can even check the House from everywhere in the World.

[huggybear]

Friend of mine awoke early hours of this morning to find someone rummaging around in his room. He told me he ran out to get something to defend himself with if the burglar had a gun/knife.

Thing is, I have two very ferocious dogs which I keep inside the house, for fear of poisoning (three dogs poisoned this week adjacent soi) Not a murmur from them! 'Come in, chern chern'. Found friend holding tightly onto closed door of his room holding a gardening implement. I called the police, who I have to say, impressively arrived very promptly, three of them, guns at the ready a la American cop style movie, burst open the door, and of course, nothing.

Almost every house in the area has had a break-in recently. So be on your guard.

All this relative affluence next to all the poverty here really taking it's toll now? Or do small Thai villages/towns have the same problems? Wouldn't have thought on such a large scale, more closely knit?. Most of the farang around here barely speak to one another

If a farang has an unregistered, unlicensed firearm and shoots a burglar dead, does anyone know the consequences? Cops lockup farang? Ousted, persona non-grata?

Or, if unregistered, unlicensed firearm used is no longer around (ditched in the klong) what would happen?

[ClaytonSeymour]

Friend of mine awoke early hours of this morning to find someone rummaging around in his room. He told me he ran out to get something to defend himself with if the burglar had a gun/knife.

Thing is, I have two very ferocious dogs which I keep inside the house, for fear of poisoning (three dogs poisoned this week adjacent soi) Not a murmur from them! 'Come in, chern chern'. Found friend holding tightly onto closed door of his room holding a gardening implement. I called the police, who I have to say, impressively arrived very promptly, three of them, guns at the ready a la American cop style movie, burst open the door, and of course, nothing.

Almost every house in the area has had a break-in recently. So be on your guard.

All this relative affluence next to all the poverty here really taking it's toll now? Or do small Thai villages/towns have the same problems? Wouldn't have thought on such a large scale, more closely knit?. Most of the farang around here barely speak to one another

If a farang has an unregistered, unlicensed firearm and shoots a burglar dead, does anyone know the consequences? Cops lockup farang? Ousted, persona non-grata?

Or, if unregistered, unlicensed firearm used is no longer around (ditched in the klong) what would happen?

Interesting questions. I'll just expand a little bit by asking what if a farang used another weapon (baseball bat, sword etc.) to kill a burglar?

If you're married to a Thai & the guns registered in her name, obviously you'd tell the police she pulled the trigger.

[Redted]

Friend of mine awoke early hours of this morning to find someone rummaging around in his room. He told me he ran out to get something to defend himself with if the burglar had a gun/knife.

Thing is, I have two very ferocious dogs which I keep inside the house, for fear of poisoning (three dogs poisoned this week adjacent soi) Not a murmur from them! 'Come in, chern chern'. Found friend holding tightly onto closed door of his room holding a gardening implement. I called the police, who I have to say, impressively arrived very promptly, three of them, guns at the ready a la American cop style movie, burst open the door, and of course, nothing.

Almost every house in the area has had a break-in recently. So be on your guard.

All this relative affluence next to all the poverty here really taking it's toll now? Or do small Thai villages/towns have the same problems? Wouldn't have thought on such a large scale, more closely knit?. Most of the farang around here barely speak to one another

If a farang has an unregistered, unlicensed firearm and shoots a burglar dead, does anyone know the consequences? Cops lockup farang? Ousted, persona non-grata?

Or, if unregistered, unlicensed firearm used is no longer around (ditched in the klong) what would happen?

Interesting questions. I'll just expand a little bit by asking what if a farang used another weapon (baseball bat, sword etc.) to kill a burglar?

If you're married to a Thai & the guns registered in her name, obviously you'd tell the police she pulled the trigger.

If I was a Thai woman I would not marry you & would feel sorry for anyone that has already.

Put the gun in her hands, and point the finger.

Sham on you..

[WOOHOO]

Interesting questions. I'll just expand a little bit by asking what if a farang used another weapon (baseball bat, sword etc.) to kill a burglar?

If you're married to a Thai & the guns registered in her name, obviously you'd tell the police she pulled the trigger.

When it comes to this, as far as I know, Thai law is very logical and straight forward. They had no right to be on your property, so you are well within your rights to kill them in self defense. As far as the gun being in your wifes name I wouldn't think would be a problem. If it was your neighbours, friends gun etc. etc. may be different, but legally registered to your address by your wife, can't see it being an issue. As for the unregistered gun, I wouldn't want to be in that situation. You may not get any charges relating to the death brought against you, but for having the gun? could well be bye bye LOS. I'm not stating this as fact, but that's what I have always been lead to believe.

[amanda76]

I think the OP has moved on, and now this is a number of topics, so I will try to be precise.

Guns are not the best answer. Especially if both of you have one. My father told me once that anyone can fire a gun at someone, but try doing it when they are firing back. I mean, if you're Dirty Harry, and have experience in gun fights, then by all means, but get real?

Just the process of getting it ready to fire at a moments notice... I mean, the last few posts, the guy said he was naked with a meat cleaver. Naked?

If a noise is heard, my dog will wimper and nudge me. All I have to do is open the bedroom door, and then shut and lock it and call the police. She will sort out whatever needs to be sorted, while I am in my room behind a locked door.

By all means, Sirpico , if you want a gun, there are plenty of them out there, but why get involved. Let the dog sort it out. Who knows, you might just shoot yourself in the willy trying to cock it, and then what would the Topic be?

How to not shoot yourself in the Willy while loading and cocking your gun to shoot at a person who is not supposed to be in your house?

I was not designed to take criminals on head on, but my dog dam_n sure was .

I wish I could meet someone who has had there house broken into, and let them get to know my dog, and maybe let her spend a few nights over there. She will sell the idea herself.

GET A BADA$$ DOG!. And leave the guns to the cowboys .

~a~