Gusto Rumba

[HDRIDER]

Maybe it is like this, when Zongshen started to make Harley engines they lost the technology to compete in the MotoGP. Lets face it, Harley or Buell without the marketing and the name is not much (I being modest). I know what I talk about I have a Sportster 1200...

My point is that not all products from China are bad..... If you not belief me.... Stop buying 60% of the products you now use......

Richard

You dont get it, i am NOT talking about parts, i know for sure that everything we use today have some parts from China, just bought a pair of adidas shoes,,, made in China, one of my mobile phones,,, made in China, i was talking about something there can drive, so show me where you can buy a bike/car in the west made in China, and have a name as well. As you say you like them, why dont you have one then.

You didn't ask me but I have a answer for you. Jiangling Landwind and other Cars are imported to the Nederlande and Germany. This link will give you some Information if you speak German. If not, they do not praise the quality.

Edited: Just found a english Information too

Do YOU want to buy one?????????

Like many other popular Chinese-made cars, the JMC Landwind is widely derived from older imported technology and design, in this case the Isuzu Rodeo which was sold from 1991 to 1998.

The Landwind has attracted a controversy after a series of safety tests. The car made headlines after German car club ADAC showed in its crash test, carried out for EuroNCAP, that a driver of this vehicle would not survive a head-on collision at 64 km/h (40 MPH).

I still say, show me something good coming out of China, there have 2 or 4 wheels!!!!!!!!!

[Richard-BKK]

What about the BMW G650 X-moto, the one my g/f rides is 100% made in China.... (tires maybe not...)

[HDRIDER]

What about the BMW G650 X-moto, the one my g/f rides is 100% made in China.... (tires maybe not...)

Richard

Read my post, you still don’t get it do you. , i have deep respect for you, you know what you are talking about when it come to bikes, but show me something with a Chinese name coming out of China, don’t know why you like all this shi.e there is about 20 years to late on the market, and still is copy copy

[geoffphuket]

I'm staying out of this argument

[Thanh-BKK]

Hello

My KS 175 was year 1981 and the fire happened somewhere around 1997 or so. it's sure older than a JRD but the JRD has at least 10x the amount of wiring in it than the Zundapp. I always hated any asian-manufactured bike for the sheer number of wires in them and their tendency to generate faults that were next to impossible to trace.

About the Chinese vehicles - ever heard of Chang Jiang (Yangtse-Kiang)? Large boxer engined bikes, usually with sidecar, looking like old BMW's. They are in fact copies of Russian "Ural" who in turn are copies opf the real BMW. And all this copying works so well that genuine BMW parts fit into the Chang Jiang engines, as do whole BMW engines fit into the Chinese bikes.

These are exported the world over and have not too bad an image. http://www.chang-jiang.com/bmw/welcome.html

Best regards......

Thanh

[Lickey]

Made in China.com,

I got to 214 pages on this link then gave up, its everything motorbike,including tyres and accesories.

http://www.made-in-china.com/products-sear...rcycle-207.html

[HDRIDER]

Hi

I still say, copy copy, 20 years to late as well

[Richard-BKK]

Motorcycle business is all about copying, even the Japanese are not shy to do that. In 1959 there was a real innovative company called MZ, which was a East German motorcycle manufacturer and inventor of the rotating valves and much more innovative technologies still used today. All was copied by the Japanese, and nobody said anything, because East Germany was communist country and therefore “bad”. More about MZ Motorcycles

Now a days MZ is a respectable German manufacturer, owned by a Malaysian investment group, and MZ is receiving payments for its past inventions, and some Japanese companies, like Yamaha where quick to sign a cross-license agreement. Giving MZ the right to use unlimited Yamaha technology.

Today, MZ is the manufacturer of worlds most powerful 4-stroke 125cc production motorcycle. With the MZ RT-125 and MZ 125-SM motorcycle, MZ makes what are amongst the fastest sub-250cc bikes commercial available. MZ also manufacturers a series of 660cc motorcycles, for which they use a modified Yamaha engine (some say that the engine was developed by engineers from companies), MZ also makes a 999cc motorcycle which without surprise can holds its own in the 1-liter range motorcycles.

I would like to quote a respectable English motorcycle magazine “In fact, talking of awards, last year the Ducati 1000DS won our inaugural Bike of the Year award. The MZ 1000S is certainly a contender for this year’s award, doing everything the Ducati does at least as well and some things notably better. It really is a very, very good motorbike”

Considering that most Japanese companies illegally copied technology, I can only respect the Chinese manufacturers, which most pay licenses fee's for using technology.

Back to the Chinese motorcycle manufacturers, the last time I was in Europe, I was surprised to see that some scooters (clearly from Chinese make) where fueling at the LPG pumps. After some small investigation I found that they are fully legal and have a European safety seal. Maybe not the latest technology, but still clearly innovative use of current available technology. On the other hand a bit annoying to wait at the LPG filling station for this little scooter buggers....

Edited May 29, 2008 by Richard-BKK

[PeaceBlondie]

Yes, nothing wrong with copying (and giving royalties to patent holders, of course). I am old enough to recall when DOHC was reserved for fancy sports car engines (nothing lower than Alfa Romeo), only Jaguars had disk brakes, etc. Honda pioneered the front disk brake on motorcycles. The 1980's Honda Silver Wing V-twin was a water-cooled copy of the fabled Moto-Guzzi; the list goes on. Four thousand years ago, King Solomon claimed that there was nothing new under the sun.

I don't care if a Chinese company designs a motor that resembles a Honda Dream. I care that the quality of the engineering design is top notch, the manufacturing is done to exact standards, the assembly is highest quality even if done in the back of Somchatabatamat's dirty shop in Bangakapi, etc.

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi

regarding MZ, in the years of the GDR they built some kick-ass two stroke bikes! Not in terms of "highest possible rpm for racing" but in terms of "beating the world's largest ship's Diesel in terms of torque". The ETZ 250 has one steam-hammer of an engine, and the export version even has a 300cc single-cylinder two-stroke.

Talk about an engine that will still run when earth is consumed by the sun.

They are only plagued by extremely fiddly and unreliable electrics..........

Best regards...

Thanh

[Richard-BKK]

In terms of motorcycle racing, that time it was 2-stroke, the MZ racing team had the best cards in hand to win the Grand Prix. but with Suzuki stealing most of there innovations and claiming it as its own, it was for MZ difficult to compete against its own technology (without being able to use it them selfs)

[HDRIDER]

HI

I had a MZ 150 as a winter bike back home in Europe, around 1978, red, a real rat bike but it started every time, very ugly bike it was, think it was called trophy, not sure

well, still think all bikes coming out of China right now is,,, no good, maybe in 5 years time,,, maybe

[geoffphuket]

Thunderduck mentioned back on #12 that the Gusto Rumba was a Chinese Jonway YY250. I actually think it's a Taiwanese copy, after all, the engine, wheels, and instrument panel are completely different....Just my theory, but it backs up the 'made in' labels and sales brochure.

geoffphuket

[bangkokeddy]

I decided against the Gusto, although I liked the design and high riding position, it was too expensive and I was worried about high petrol consumption - JRDs I have had have been really thirsty. Perhaps Gusto is different but I wasn't going to chance it.

Petrol is going up so I chanced a Sonic, modified it gives a nice riding position, looks like a bit of a teenagers wet dream, but it's OK and less than half the cost of a Gusto, parts available everywhere, fits nicely in the back of the pickup. I'd like to increase the power somehow. It's a bit sluggish. I might upgrade to a Raider dirt bike later on.

[MaiChai]

Your servicing will be cheap with a Sonic! Lots of cheap spares.

Made in China. I think the difference here is between made by European/US/Japanese company in China and made by a Chinese company. I mean my cheap Braun shaver is made in China, but its a Braun shaver and its good. Alot of the well know companies farm out manufacturing to Chinese companies; in the Braun case designed in Germany by Germans and made in China to keep costs down. What would be interesting is how these well known companies maintain quality control by farming out manufacture to a Chinese company? Alot of companies have been working this way along time; Sony used to farm out its TV and monitor manufacturing to a local Thai company (and this company suffered when Sony canceled contracts because of the move over to LCD displays; I suspect the company has moved with the times and makes LCDs now or other products now).

[geoffphuket]

I decided against the Gusto, although I liked the design and high riding position, it was too expensive and I was worried about high petrol consumption - JRDs I have had have been really thirsty. Perhaps Gusto is different but I wasn't going to chance it.

Petrol is going up so I chanced a Sonic, modified it gives a nice riding position, looks like a bit of a teenagers wet dream, but it's OK and less than half the cost of a Gusto, parts available everywhere, fits nicely in the back of the pickup. I'd like to increase the power somehow. It's a bit sluggish. I might upgrade to a Raider dirt bike later on.

The Gusto is priced at 68k. If you take off the value of the free bike they throw in (33k), that makes it only 35K...and the Sonic cost half that? - I don't think so.

'YES' the Sonic was always sluggish...more snail like if you ask me; the Gusto certainly can't be accused of that, I've ridden 350cc machines that were slower.

geoffphuket

[bangkokeddy]

I decided against the Gusto, although I liked the design and high riding position, it was too expensive and I was worried about high petrol consumption - JRDs I have had have been really thirsty. Perhaps Gusto is different but I wasn't going to chance it.

Petrol is going up so I chanced a Sonic, modified it gives a nice riding position, looks like a bit of a teenagers wet dream, but it's OK and less than half the cost of a Gusto, parts available everywhere, fits nicely in the back of the pickup. I'd like to increase the power somehow. It's a bit sluggish. I might upgrade to a Raider dirt bike later on.

The Gusto is priced at 68k. If you take off the value of the free bike they throw in (33k), that makes it only 35K...and the Sonic cost half that? - I don't think so.

'YES' the Sonic was always sluggish...more snail like if you ask me; the Gusto certainly can't be accused of that, I've ridden 350cc machines that were slower.

geoffphuket

Yeh, but I have a JRD scooter already and I don't want another one in the family, even if it is free. It's in the shop half the time, all the plastics cracked and it drinks petrol. I asked to buy the Gusto for a reduced price without the JRD scooter thrown in and the guy said no, so he lost a sale. Anyway, I guess I'm not so bothered about speed as I am more interested in fuel consumption and in that respect the Gusto lost out.

I think you'll find that the cost of the Gusto will be higher than 35k, the actual cost of a JRD scooter is going down - you can buy them new for around 20k if you shop around, secondhand around 10k.

I'm still positively interested in riding a Gusto, however I'll catch one on the secondhand market in a year or two I reckon.

[ThunderDuck]

Thunderduck mentioned back on #12 that the Gusto Rumba was a Chinese Jonway YY250. I actually think it's a Taiwanese copy, after all, the engine, wheels, and instrument panel are completely different....Just my theory, but it backs up the 'made in' labels and sales brochure.

A Taiwanese copy of a Chinese copy of a German design? Well you could of course be correct in that assumption ... but as per my previous post I would imagine that any Taiwanese manufactured bike would 2 - 3 times more expensisive than your Rumba. eg. check Hyosung pricing ...

Also who else but the Chinese would name such a beast a "Gusto Rumba"?

TDuk

[PeaceBlondie]

Also who else but the Chinese would name such a beast a "Gusto Rumba"?

TDuk

A malevolent Macedonian? A ghastly Ghanian? A negligent Nepalese? A stone-age New Guinean?

[ThunderDuck]

A malevolent Macedonian? A ghastly Ghanian? A negligent Nepalese? A stone-age New Guinean?

Perhaps a curious Cuban?

[Richard-BKK]

I decided against the Gusto, although I liked the design and high riding position, it was too expensive and I was worried about high petrol consumption - JRDs I have had have been really thirsty. Perhaps Gusto is different but I wasn't going to chance it.

Petrol is going up so I chanced a Sonic, modified it gives a nice riding position, looks like a bit of a teenagers wet dream, but it's OK and less than half the cost of a Gusto, parts available everywhere, fits nicely in the back of the pickup. I'd like to increase the power somehow. It's a bit sluggish. I might upgrade to a Raider dirt bike later on.

The Gusto is priced at 68k. If you take off the value of the free bike they throw in (33k), that makes it only 35K...and the Sonic cost half that? - I don't think so.

'YES' the Sonic was always sluggish...more snail like if you ask me; the Gusto certainly can't be accused of that, I've ridden 350cc machines that were slower.

geoffphuket

I ride, mostly for entertainment, a Royal Enfield (with 500cc) and I'm proud to say it not even comes close to the performance of a Sonic. I love it when I read reviews about the Honda Sonic 125, on one hand people are so happy, without words, about the Honda CBR-125 and on the other hand they have no good word for the Sonic 125. But guys, trust me, both machines use the exact same engine.....

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi

While i prefer "regular" motorbikes (tank between the legs!) over kapchais anytime (with the exception being the Super Cub, the original kapchai!), i have to say the Sonic is one of very few which i need a while to catch after a traffic light Those things have sure power, and certainly more than all of this automatic junk.

I ride an old, smokey two-stroke Yamaha RXZ by the way, a 135cc machine and i call it "Bulldozer" for a reason

Best regards....

Thanh

Edited June 3, 2008 by Thanh-BKK

[bangkokeddy]

I decided against the Gusto, although I liked the design and high riding position, it was too expensive and I was worried about high petrol consumption - JRDs I have had have been really thirsty. Perhaps Gusto is different but I wasn't going to chance it.

Petrol is going up so I chanced a Sonic, modified it gives a nice riding position, looks like a bit of a teenagers wet dream, but it's OK and less than half the cost of a Gusto, parts available everywhere, fits nicely in the back of the pickup. I'd like to increase the power somehow. It's a bit sluggish. I might upgrade to a Raider dirt bike later on.

The Gusto is priced at 68k. If you take off the value of the free bike they throw in (33k), that makes it only 35K...and the Sonic cost half that? - I don't think so.

'YES' the Sonic was always sluggish...more snail like if you ask me; the Gusto certainly can't be accused of that, I've ridden 350cc machines that were slower.

geoffphuket

I ride, mostly for entertainment, a Royal Enfield (with 500cc) and I'm proud to say it not even comes close to the performance of a Sonic. I love it when I read reviews about the Honda Sonic 125, on one hand people are so happy, without words, about the Honda CBR-125 and on the other hand they have no good word for the Sonic 125. But guys, trust me, both machines use the exact same engine.....

Yes, the shop have offered me a CBR bore up kit, CBR forks and shocks. Maybe I should of bought a CBR in the first place and converted that! Never mind. New sprocket fitted and now the Sonic has a better power range, for now.

[PeaceBlondie]

Agreed, the Sonic 125 is a great bike, especially for a step-through. I forget if it cost 44K. But when you bundle together two bikes of questionable prices, you do not know what value you are getting.

[ThunderDuck]

I have fond memories of a visa run to Mae Sai ... a pair of "repsol sonics" playing boy racers

on the mountainous backroads ... superb fun. Definitely more power available than your wave /

dream but a corresponding increase in fuel consumption to go with it. Also handled much better

than a wave apart from the stock rear tyre which was slipping a lot ... think it was a dunlop?

44k its a bargain 4 sure.

Edited June 3, 2008 by ThunderDuck

[PeaceBlondie]

I stand corrected again. I could not remember. However, according to RichardBKK's nifty price guide http://www.motorcycle.in.th/staticpages/in...ces-in-Thailand the Sonic is more like 49,500.

[bangkokeddy]

I cheated, bought a second hand 2005 Sonic for B26,000, but it might be 44,000 by the time I've finished with it. Forks and shocks are a bit flimsy, they'll go first. Nice bike, makes me feel young again, remembering my first 125 - Honda CB125T superdream. A good looking twin and Good for 80mph+

[imaneggspurt]

Reminds me of the prize in a raffle of ,1ST PRIZE 1 WEEKS HOLIDAY IN EASTBOURNE ! 2ND PRIZE 2 WEEKS !,.its a marketing ploy to get rid of them,do you see Honda doing this ? no ,and there is a reason for it,

Edited June 3, 2008 by imaneggspurt

[Dave the Dude]

Reminds me of the prize in a raffle of ,1ST PRIZE 1 WEEKS HOLIDAY IN EASTBOURNE ! 2ND PRIZE 2 WEEKS !,.its a marketing ploy to get rid of them,do you see Honda doing this ? no ,and there is a reason for it,

And whats wrong with Eastbourne!!! Its Gods waiting-room or the UK's version of Hotel California!!

[LivinLOS]

The sonic is a good cheap little buzz bomb.. They can be much more fun than thier price predicts and a much better than a base scooter.. The raider is even more fun.

One small problem is image.. Seeing a big 6 foot something farang on a little pocket rocket.. Does strike me as a little bit 'try hard'.. I shouldnt care about things like this but I do.