Windows Xp Still Outselling Windows Vista

[JSixpack]

Windows XP Still Outselling Windows Vista

While Microsoft excitedly tries to sway public opinion by touting that Windows Vista License sales top 180 Million units, Hewlett-Packard (HP) was busy smacking Microsoft down -- reportedly shipping PCs with a Vista Business license but with Windows XP pre-loaded in the majority of business computers sold since the June 30 Windows XP execution date established by Microsoft -- casting a lot of doubt over how many copies of Vista have actually been sold.

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http://www.infopackets.com/news/business/m...ndows_vista.htm

Edited August 9, 2008 by Tywais
snipped to satisfy fair use laws in copyright

[sjaak327]

"While Microsoft excitedly tries to sway public opinion by touting that Windows Vista License sales top 180 Million units, Hewlett-Packard (HP) was busy smacking Microsoft down -- reportedly shipping PCs with a Vista Business license but with Windows XP pre-loaded in the majority of business computers sold since the June 30 Windows XP execution date established by Microsoft -- casting a lot of doubt over how many copies of Vista have actually been sold."

Hp is selling a Vista license and then let the consumer downgrade to XP, something indeed many companies still do. Of course this is a Vista sale, as the license isn't XP, it's that simple. It's funny however that this is suggested as being strange or new, this has happened to XP as well, many companies only upgraded to XP years after it was on the market, and did downgrade to Windows 2000 at the time. Funny also that they question that 180 million number based upon little over one month, as before june 30, businesses were buying an XP license not Vista.

"In other words, Microsoft counts a sale for Windows Vista even though the computer manufacturer actually sold Windows XP. "

&lt;deleted&gt;, they sold a Vista license, they said so in the first quote. Sloppy journalism ?

It's kind of ironic when you realize how desperate Microsoft has become to gain public acceptance for the dying operating system.

Oh, I thought XP was dying, guess I'm wrong. Let's then hope that Microsoft will resume active development for XP, which of course they won't.

[A_Traveller]

^ Please use the quote function, it becomes consistently distracting identifying what you are, or are not saying.

The key sources for this report were several HP executives, one, Jane Bradburn, Market Development Manager, Commercial Notebooks for HP Australia, who was reported on July 28 stating that "From the 30th of June, we have no longer been able to ship a PC with an XP licence, however, what we have been able to do with Microsoft is ship PCs with a Vista Business licence but with XP pre-loaded. That is still the majority of business computers we are selling today." Further, the point about wanting to be able to continue to do this past January 2009 was publicly raised by Jerel Chong, Market Development Manager, Commercial Notebooks for HP.

The disparity being highlighted is between the license which is, apparently being counted as a Vista sale, by MS {note they always talk about licences} and the delivered product which is an installation of XP. One could argue therefore that the interpretation of the sales figure is open to question.

Regards

[sjaak327]

^ Please use the quote function, it becomes consistently distracting identifying what you are, or are not saying.

Better now

The key sources for this report were several HP executives, one, Jane Bradburn, Market Development Manager, Commercial Notebooks for HP Australia, who was reported on July 28 stating that "From the 30th of June, we have no longer been able to ship a PC with an XP licence, however, what we have been able to do with Microsoft is ship PCs with a Vista Business licence but with XP pre-loaded. That is still the majority of business computers we are selling today." Further, the point about wanting to be able to continue to do this past January 2009 was publicly raised by Jerel Chong, Market Development Manager, Commercial Notebooks for HP.

The disparity being highlighted is between the license which is, apparently being counted as a Vista sale, by MS {note they always talk about licences} and the delivered product which is an installation of XP. One could argue therefore that the interpretation of the sales figure is open to question.

Regards

My point is, that XP licences became unvailable since June 30, the 180 million vista sales figure was published, one week after that date, hence it seems extremely strange to question the sales of Vista licences based upon the fact that NOW people buy Vista licences, but the actual installed OS is XP. Before people and businesses were able to buy XP licences without any problems.

They would have a valid point if this situation was going on for say 6 months, but it isn't. This situation exists for just 6 weeks, and the sales figure being disputed or questioned, has been published a good 4 weeks ago.

[A_Traveller]

^ Given the opacity of the figure, there's, for example, an element of pre-purchasing which is acknowledged in the small print, in there, the time element is disingenuous, since, the sale of the Vista licence is booked by MS prior {often well prior} to the product being shipped by HP.

Regards

[sjaak327]

^ Then it still becomes rather relevant what the prebooking period of Microsoft is. If it's 6 months, then yes I see your point, if it's a month, it is still irrelevant.

[Florin]

We got DELL PCs at the office with this concept...even though XP is preinstalled, I have also received an actual Vista DVD and corresponding serial number.

On my computer, I chose to upgrade and am now legally running Vista...so many of these sales could actually be converted into actual Vista usage once the PCs reach the office or later down the line when they upgrade RAM or what not...a sale is a sale, whether the product ends up being used by the buyer or not.

[britmaveric]

Vista is great OS, far superior to XP in every way. Very happy with VISTA. :D

[A_Traveller]

The position re booking sales is difficult to ascertain, since it often reflects two companies reporting requirements, retail doesn't count here, so legally the period could be anywhere from 0 days through to 120.

To be fair MS are more careful then they were {fines do that to you} and there is always an accepted roll-up, especially for year end. What most people don't realise is that the final figures are often given to the SEC months later, revised and without any publicity, {though reviewed by financial market specialists} unless they are exceptionally egregious.

My own view is that they shipped close to this number of licences, {note the headline number is from day zero} but I do question the breakdown. If one cross references to other market stats {new kit, business churn etc.} then the majority of these licences appear to be both corporate channel and new equipment, but other research shows the penetration of Vista systems below that figure, so something is not right here. Both anecdotal, and reviewed {professional analytics} evidence suggests that the licence number reflects the transactions but not the product ultimately delivered.

What is interesting is the slow increase in both the penetration of ultimate & more importantly 64bit, which again is suggestive of a lower take-up, but a growth of acceptance of these two 'versions'. It is also relevant to notice there has, thus far, been no SP1 bounce, something which MS was most assuredly expecting.

In closing, let me be clear, this is not an anti-Vista diatribe, I just don't think MS is being, shall we say 100% clear as to what is happening in the marketplace and there are issues MS needs to address to energise the division. The one bright spot in the figures for them, is the continued performance of the server division, where 2008 doesn't appear to be suffering a Vista blight. By the by, the market is all too aware that if the truth was different, then given the way MS manages and records system usage, it would be entirely possible to provide data to refute the suggestion made herein, {similar statements have been made by recognisable commentators after al} but they haven't.

Regards

[dave_boo]

Vista is great OS, far superior to XP in every way. Very happy with VISTA.

I'm a Linux user, so perhaps you could rationalise your statement? When I have to boot Windows, I much prefer to use XP since there seems to be little improvement by Vista over it with the exception of UAC.

[dotcom]

I hope I never have to see a splash of VISTA.

Remember about 10 or 15 years ago when Microsoft was a good stock to own?

They should get some real world pricing & lease us the junk instead of forcing us to buy it.

[A_Traveller]

^ On the stock point it's been suggested that MS hs/will initiate a major buy in of its stock.

Regards

[sjaak327]

I hope I never have to see a splash of VISTA.

Remember about 10 or 15 years ago when Microsoft was a good stock to own?

They should get some real world pricing & lease us the junk instead of forcing us to buy it.

I think that the leasing bit might be true sooner rather then later.

[MarkBKK]

Windows XP Still Outselling Windows Vista

While Microsoft excitedly tries to sway public opinion by touting that Windows Vista License sales top 180 Million units, Hewlett-Packard (HP) was busy smacking Microsoft down -- reportedly shipping PCs with a Vista Business license but with Windows XP pre-loaded in the majority of business computers sold since the June 30 Windows XP execution date established by Microsoft ...http://www.infopackets.com/news/business/m...ndows_vista.htm

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[JSixpack]

Isn't posting of a complete article a breach of copyright?

If so, then my apologies. The intent was fair use, of course. I can't edit it now, but perhaps Reimar could--or just delete it.

[Tywais]

Isn't posting of a complete article a breach of copyright?

If so, then my apologies. The intent was fair use, of course. I can't edit it now, but perhaps Reimar could--or just delete it.

Topic has now been edited to fall into fair use laws.