F1

[kartman]

Mclarens new aero package for Singapore GP on youtube worth a look

[dominique355]

You can check the new technical developments of every F1 car at every race on http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/

Today they feature McLaren, Williams and Red Bull

[H2oDunc]

Maclaren should save some cash and not bother because the FIA or Ferrari Intervention and Assistance will negate any advantage they come up with. As a lifelong fan Im now finished with the sport, sorry you cant even call it a sport anymore. After watching the most exciting finish to a race I can remember it was ruined by A steward who thought he knew best.( the same steward wanted to fine and penalise a rally driver for bringing the sport into disrepute for................. wait for it ............. having a beard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

A sad day for F1 and probably the begining of the end of the series. F1 is supposed to be about racing. What with Whip my arse Mosely doing everything in his power every year to slow the cars down and make overtaking near impossible we have decisions like this. I mean they are even trying to make F1 green for pitys sake. What next, hybrid cars ??? I used to go to at least 2 GP's every year but no more.

Edited September 28, 2008 by H2oDunc

[lazeeboy]

must admit im losing interest in f1 ,i'll watch today as its a new race ,but i can now take it or leave it...

[bangkokrick]

Maclaren should save some cash and not bother because the FIA or Ferrari Intervention and Assistance will negate any advantage they come up with. As a lifelong fan Im now finished with the sport, sorry you cant even call it a sport anymore. After watching the most exciting finish to a race I can remember it was ruined by A steward who thought he knew best.( the same steward wanted to fine and penalise a rally driver for bringing the sport into disrepute for................. wait for it ............. having a beard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

A sad day for F1 and probably the begining of the end of the series. F1 is supposed to be about racing. What with Whip my arse Mosely doing everything in his power every year to slow the cars down and make overtaking near impossible we have decisions like this. I mean they are even trying to make F1 green for pitys sake. What next, hybrid cars ??? I used to go to at least 2 GP's every year but no more.

Agree 100%. The sport is so obviously biased in favour of ferrari that it's not worth watching any more. They may as well just present Massa with the trophy and have done with it.Very sad!

Cheers, Rick

[Samuian]

Yes multi-million US$ event is rigged.... under the nose of sports news reporters, TV crews, camera, sure, absolutely sure?

then what happened to benetton, sauber rigged away, repainted and sold as toro rosso... next sebstian vettel is a clone of michael schumacher...

[dotcom]

This year we have BMW "Sauber" racing & Sauber has nothing to do with it. Sheesh.

They are way faster than Williams though. Just about everyone is faster than Williams.

Let's not forget M. Schumacher won a world's championship for Benneton & Flavio Briatore.

[dominique355]

Maclaren should save some cash and not bother because the FIA or Ferrari Intervention and Assistance will negate any advantage they come up with. As a lifelong fan Im now finished with the sport, sorry you cant even call it a sport anymore. After watching the most exciting finish to a race I can remember it was ruined by A steward who thought he knew best.( the same steward wanted to fine and penalise a rally driver for bringing the sport into disrepute for................. wait for it ............. having a beard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

A sad day for F1 and probably the begining of the end of the series. F1 is supposed to be about racing. What with Whip my arse Mosely doing everything in his power every year to slow the cars down and make overtaking near impossible we have decisions like this. I mean they are even trying to make F1 green for pitys sake. What next, hybrid cars ??? I used to go to at least 2 GP's every year but no more.

Funny, all British fans are furious about Spa and hate Ferrari while Italian fans are all tifosi. Shows you that even Formula 1 is in the hands of nationalistic, chauvinistic fans.

Sport means, that sometimes you loose, sometimes you win. If you cannot accept that, go somewhere else.

Oh and BTW, next year we actually will have hybrid cars, the so-called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) will allow F1 cars to have an electric engine.

And poor H2oDunc, even all the A1GP cars are now Ferraris! You must be truly pissed.

The end of Formula 1 has been anticipated many many times; yet every year there are more races, more spectators, a larger TV audience. Maybe, just maybe you are wrong and Mosley /Ecclestone must be doing something right.

But I hope you can enjoy tonight's race with Massa in pole.

Cheers

[JetsetBkk]

...But I hope you can enjoy tonight's race with Massa in pole.

He's last at the moment.

No doubt Ferrari will complain that it wasn't their fault that their pit light went green, so it wasn't Massa's fault that he took off trailing the fuelling system pipe, and they'll get 25 seconds subtracted from his time making him the winner.

[bravingbangkok]

Well done Massa the twerp ! both yourself and the scum that call themselves Arsenal have made my weekend muppets !

Come on Lewis !

[TBWG]

Well thats a turn up for the books! Alonso from 15th on the grid plus a lot of luck. Must admit I had a bit of a smirk as Massa tootled off down the pits trailing several meters of donkey cock! Buddha moves in mysterious ways to right a wrong!

TBWG

PS edit why has Massa got it in for Sutil

Edited September 28, 2008 by TBWG

[silverhawk_usa]

I must say that I do like Massa and he deserves a win after playing second to Schumacher for so long. Ferrari as a team is just making uncharacteristic mistakes this season. That said, I also believe Hamilton should have won the championship last season and I prefer him to win this year. Steve Slater had a good commentary on ESPN about the rules and quoted Bill France, who made NASCAR so popular in the U.S. - Simply stated, "the car that crosses the finish line first WINS!"

[Uros]

Lots of fair weather Hamilton fans tossing their toys out of the pram.

Controversy, that's what keeps F1 alive.

Once Hamilton has a good race they'll all be back.

[kartman]

So did the radio traffic go like this

Flavio - Fernando... OK pit now i have master plan up my sleeve

Few laps later

Flavio - Nelsino... I have master plan to win race but not with you.. just have to check Filepe & Lewis have passed pit entry... ok if you want any chance of being considered for no2 seat in 2009 stick it in the wall NOW!

Nelsino - Flavio... THUD/BANG/SCREECH!!!!!

Flavio - Fernando... LUVLY JUBLY (or the Italian/Spanish version)

[bravingbangkok]

Kartman we saw this a few years back now with shuey and Flavio, Nelson obviously crashed on purpose and that is why Alonso was running so light in practise and qualifying and he probably would have got poll if his engine had not broken or whatever happened. He is a cheating spaniard ! It is in their blood to cheat and they do it in every sport, I should know I am part Spanish. I say fuc_k them and let them have this race, I think everyone knows the truth about whether or not Nelson meant to crash so we all know they are cheats and that is good enough. It is not like they can do this every race is it ?

You may say is a broken car worth all the advertising revenue for winning that race which was the most coverted race this season ? oh f'ing yes it was ! about a thousand times more and thats why they did it. To boost their funding for next season you will be seeing this type of shit from renault in the alst few races !

Did you see when that Indian/singaporean commentator for star sports asked Flavio about whether Nelson was helped by the crash ? Falvio quickly and strongly denied that Nelson had anything to do with it and that in fact the ywllow flag was given for Rubens and not Nelso hahahah absolutely farscile. He then continued to just walk away ignoring anymore questions that the reporter was asking......f'ing disgrace ! Will there be an inquiry into this or Massa causing Sutil to crash just like Kimmi did in Monaco when Sutil and force India were on for scoring points ???? No there fuc_king wont be because they are all a bunch of gang banging poofs who line up on a daily basis to get whipped by that Nazi Max (i love Hitler) Mosley.

Utter disgrace

Edited September 29, 2008 by bravingbangkok

[Samuian]

is it the illuminati conspiracy?

it all worxz under a grand plan, it's all choreographed, that is why they have training and qualifying, it only to train the stunts!

[JetsetBkk]

...the number of incidents in which rulings have come down either for Ferrari or against their opponents in recent years - and the climate of fear that pervades F1 when it comes to criticising the FIA - makes it easy to see how such feelings have taken root.

The Spa controversy was just the latest in a large catalogue of those.

And for the sake of its own credibility and that of F1, the FIA needs to find some way of changing those perceptions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/7631230.stm

[rixalex]

I'm confused as to why a few races back when Massa was released from the pits dangerously, (he almost collided with another car that was exiting at the same time), he went on to win and the team was later fined a paltry amount for the offence. But in Singapore he was given a drive through penalty. There's no consistency.

And another failing of the rules... Rosberg's team cheated by pitting him whilst the pit lane was closed, for which he got a stop go penalty, but it was still in his favour to have cheated because of all the time he had gained on an empty track. Moral of the story: you might as well cheat.

[kartman]

I'm confused as to why a few races back when Massa was released from the pits dangerously, (he almost collided with another car that was exiting at the same time), he went on to win and the team was later fined a paltry amount for the offence. But in Singapore he was given a drive through penalty. There's no consistency.

And another failing of the rules... Rosberg's team cheated by pitting him whilst the pit lane was closed, for which he got a stop go penalty, but it was still in his favour to have cheated because of all the time he had gained on an empty track. Moral of the story: you might as well cheat.

I would not say they cheated more that they put one over all the other teams apart from Renault, they played the rules. A much better solution would be to adopt the IRL rule if the pits are closed you may pit but only to take on a minimal amount of fuel to prevent the car running dry, no tyre changes or adjustments you would then have to pit again when the pits reopen to carry out a full fuel/tyres/adj stop.

[bangkokrick]

I'm confused as to why a few races back when Massa was released from the pits dangerously, (he almost collided with another car that was exiting at the same time), he went on to win and the team was later fined a paltry amount for the offence. But in Singapore he was given a drive through penalty. There's no consistency.

And another failing of the rules... Rosberg's team cheated by pitting him whilst the pit lane was closed, for which he got a stop go penalty, but it was still in his favour to have cheated because of all the time he had gained on an empty track. Moral of the story: you might as well cheat.

I would not say they cheated more that they put one over all the other teams apart from Renault, they played the rules. A much better solution would be to adopt the IRL rule if the pits are closed you may pit but only to take on a minimal amount of fuel to prevent the car running dry, no tyre changes or adjustments you would then have to pit again when the pits reopen to carry out a full fuel/tyres/adj stop.

Correct me if i am wrong, but i thought there was a rule against the team mechanics working on a car when it was not in the pits. Massa's mechanics did just that when they removed the fuel hose and allowed him to continue?

Cheers, Rick

[TBWG]

I'm confused as to why a few races back when Massa was released from the pits dangerously, (he almost collided with another car that was exiting at the same time), he went on to win and the team was later fined a paltry amount for the offence. But in Singapore he was given a drive through penalty. There's no consistency.

And another failing of the rules... Rosberg's team cheated by pitting him whilst the pit lane was closed, for which he got a stop go penalty, but it was still in his favour to have cheated because of all the time he had gained on an empty track. Moral of the story: you might as well cheat.

I would not say they cheated more that they put one over all the other teams apart from Renault, they played the rules. A much better solution would be to adopt the IRL rule if the pits are closed you may pit but only to take on a minimal amount of fuel to prevent the car running dry, no tyre changes or adjustments you would then have to pit again when the pits reopen to carry out a full fuel/tyres/adj stop.

Correct me if i am wrong, but i thought there was a rule against the team mechanics working on a car when it was not in the pits. Massa's mechanics did just that when they removed the fuel hose and allowed him to continue?

Cheers, Rick

Good point

However I think that they would argue it was a saftey issue after all Massa's alternative would be to do a lap trailing 5 meters of donkey cock!

which would inevitably get him black flagged. Also they might argue that the car was still in the pit lane.

Had he finished in a points scoring position it would have been a different matter and some one would have protested it. However I think after all the recent furore they have let sleeping dogs lie, but once again it favours Ferrari.

Spanker Max says there is no question that the FIA are impartial, now even if you give him the benefit of the doubt the problem is an awful lot of people perceive them as biased, so it is an issue.

But things are hotting up quite nicely for the final 3 GP's

TBWG

PS: Have the Finn's lost their mojo's both of them have been underwhelming of late!

PPS: As for Williams cheating, had the stewards announced the stop & go in a more timely fashion then Nico would not have been able to build up such a buffer and resume in 2nd place. They played by the rules and this time the stewards dithering favoured them.

[kartman]

Some interesting facts and figures on running the Singapore GP in Bangkok Post Motoring today.

Pity it will never happen in LOS -- The Detroit of Asia

[rixalex]

I'm confused as to why a few races back when Massa was released from the pits dangerously, (he almost collided with another car that was exiting at the same time), he went on to win and the team was later fined a paltry amount for the offence. But in Singapore he was given a drive through penalty. There's no consistency.

And another failing of the rules... Rosberg's team cheated by pitting him whilst the pit lane was closed, for which he got a stop go penalty, but it was still in his favour to have cheated because of all the time he had gained on an empty track. Moral of the story: you might as well cheat.

I would not say they cheated more that they put one over all the other teams apart from Renault, they played the rules. A much better solution would be to adopt the IRL rule if the pits are closed you may pit but only to take on a minimal amount of fuel to prevent the car running dry, no tyre changes or adjustments you would then have to pit again when the pits reopen to carry out a full fuel/tyres/adj stop.

Correct me if i am wrong, but i thought there was a rule against the team mechanics working on a car when it was not in the pits. Massa's mechanics did just that when they removed the fuel hose and allowed him to continue?

Cheers, Rick

Good point

However I think that they would argue it was a saftey issue after all Massa's alternative would be to do a lap trailing 5 meters of donkey cock!

which would inevitably get him black flagged. Also they might argue that the car was still in the pit lane.

Had he finished in a points scoring position it would have been a different matter and some one would have protested it. However I think after all the recent furore they have let sleeping dogs lie, but once again it favours Ferrari.

Spanker Max says there is no question that the FIA are impartial, now even if you give him the benefit of the doubt the problem is an awful lot of people perceive them as biased, so it is an issue.

But things are hotting up quite nicely for the final 3 GP's

TBWG

PS: Have the Finn's lost their mojo's both of them have been underwhelming of late!

PPS: As for Williams cheating, had the stewards announced the stop & go in a more timely fashion then Nico would not have been able to build up such a buffer and resume in 2nd place. They played by the rules and this time the stewards dithering favoured them.

Some good points there.

Yes i had forgotten about the strange length of time it took stewards to make decisions in the Singapore race. I guess they feel every decision is being scrutinzed more than ever, and so don't want to mess it up. It seems though like they must have known whether the pits were closed when those two cars came in, and so shouldn't have taken all that time.

Regarding your point about the Finns - Raikkonen is one of the best drivers in F1 and his performance this year is a mystery to me. As much as i thought that Hamilton should have won last year, i could bear no grudges about Raikkonen as i felt he deserved things going his way for once. On his game, he's a much better driver than Massa.

As for the other Finn, Heiki, i remember when he was at Renault he wrote in his BBC column that were he to be in an equal car to Hamilton, he would be at least as fast. How sadly deluded he was. He's no more than a second driver. What i'd really love to see is for Hamilton to have a great team mate - someone like Rosberg or Kubica. What a fascinating battle that would be. My money would be on Hamilton though. Once he irons out his hot-headedness, and learns to be just a little less cocky, i think he'll take over Senna's mantle of being the greatest natural modern-day F1 driver. (don't even talk to me about Schumacher!)

[KohKarrang]

I must say that I do like Massa and he deserves a win after playing second to Schumacher for so long. Ferrari as a team is just making uncharacteristic mistakes this season. That said, I also believe Hamilton should have won the championship last season and I prefer him to win this year. Steve Slater had a good commentary on ESPN about the rules and quoted Bill France, who made NASCAR so popular in the U.S. - Simply stated, "the car that crosses the finish line first WINS!"

That Steve Slater guy is the biggest NOB on TV(the nob who narrates ALL of the adverts for ESPN/Star Sports is a close second)

Steve Slater reminds me of a boy who can't get a shag - nothing he says is of interest at all, he constantly makes mistakes, sounds like a juvenile with his cock in his hand and when they show you his face he's got one of those really punchable faces too!

Personally I download ITV's coverage, it's a million miles better than ESPN/Star Sports coverage, has no adverts every 2 fkin minutes, it's commentators are knowledgeable, sometimes funny and generally RIGHT. ESPN/Star Sports coverage of F1 is amateur and specifically for the Asian market, have you noticed some of the questions that people send in?? 'why do the drivers wear gloves' 'how fast do the cars go!' <deleted>!!!!!......

if you want to download F1 it is available in a few different languages from one place I know, if you are as fed up as me with ESPN/Star Sports coverage then PM me and I'll lead you to a better place...

[TBWG]

Hi

With F1 changing to the Beeb next year will it be possible to watch it on BBC iplayer? Can't check myself as not currently in Thailand but can anyone get MotoGP on iplayer?

If so I see no reason why you should not get F1 coverage.

TBWG

[JetsetBkk]

...I see no reason why you should not get F1 coverage...

Er... because we're in Thailand?

[TBWG]

...I see no reason why you should not get F1 coverage...

Er... because we're in Thailand?

Ah, so BBC iplayer does not work in Thailand then? I hoped it might as I manage to get all the BBC radio stations whilst in LOS

Oh well back to square 1

TBWG

Edited October 3, 2008 by TBWG

[rixalex]

...I see no reason why you should not get F1 coverage...

Er... because we're in Thailand?

Ah, so BBC iplayer does not work in Thailand then?

It works, but only for radio. TV coverage is only available to those in the UK, which is perfectly reasonable seeing as it's those in the UK who fund it. It would be a good idea however if the BBC allowed access outside the UK to those who wanted to pay some sort of subscription fee. I know i would.

[JetsetBkk]

Ah, so BBC iplayer does not work in Thailand then?

It works, but only for radio. TV coverage is only available to those in the UK, which is perfectly reasonable seeing as it's those in the UK who fund it. It would be a good idea however if the BBC allowed access outside the UK to those who wanted to pay some sort of subscription fee. I know i would.

You can't even access some of the BBC's web pages nowadays:

But you might find this previous thread interesting: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Bittorrent-U...68#entry2201868

[Mosha]

One good thing though, for the guys who can get the Beeb. The best intro music to a sports programme. They still AFAIK own the rights to the riff from Fleetwood Macs The Chain. I love that bit of that record. The ITV tried to buy it but BBC would not sell. I also read that Ecclestone made the initial approach.