britmaveric Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Katoeys.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ok the truth is that sometimes bar mongers and other tourists get drunk and act like real tossers. But in the main, probably 98% of us are a little loud sometimes but we are just having fun. Can we agree on that? In the news except for the occasional farang pedophile or drug buyer its tourist on m/b loses gold chain in snatch, expat gets pocket picked on baht bus, local shoots local (almost daily now!), elderly man drugged and robbed! Many of these thugs are not apprehended. So the point is police resources are not being used in the best way if all they are doing is driving around scaring the crap out of BG's who are just trying to make a buck by having a friendly BM over for ST! It would be much better if the police had several teams in plain clothes who would work around town to target trouble spots and maybe nab more of those thugs. That would be a good use of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 I had somebody at that meeting as well. It is not really alcohol related (yet). They are actually planning (and started) to enforce the opening times all the different operating licenses allow. The 6 PM opening is for bars holding "entertainment" licenses. Those licenses clearly state operating times to be from 6 PM till 2 AM. Let your Thai staff take a look, it is actually written on the license! There are a bunch of other licenses, such as the guesthouse license, hotel license, restaurant license, massage parlor license, all allowing different operating times, not only based on the type of license, but also on the location of the business, i.e. inside or outside the designated "entertainment" zone. It is actually possible to hold several licenses simultaneously, e.g. restaurant along with entertainment, allowing for all day operation. Only the hostesses (which necessitate having the entertainment license) are only allowed to work starting 6 PM... Then entirely separate from the operating licenses you have the alcohol selling time law, which allows business to sell alcohol between 11 AM and 2 PM and between 5 PM and 11 PM. Entertainment licenses are allowed to sell alcohol up to closing time. This law they are not (yet) enforcing, since it would seriously affect the restaurant business, although for example 7/11's tend to follow the law strictly as they have been fined heavily already. Restaurant license holders have to close (I think) at 11 PM anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurgen Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sounds like a great way for the BIB to have an "earner" to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHdiver Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sounds like a great way for the BIB to have an "earner" to me They may even get there whistle blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Monty, great post and very informative. I think that these laws may possibly be borrowed, very much like the old English licensing laws and if so it used to be legal to order drinks for oneself and guests 24 hours a day in a hotel. i.e. would it be possible to hold both a hotel (guest house) and an entertainment licence, so for serving alcohol in the afternoon you would have to register as a (short time) guest. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Monty, great post and very informative.I think that these laws may possibly be borrowed, very much like the old English licensing laws and if so it used to be legal to order drinks for oneself and guests 24 hours a day in a hotel. i.e. would it be possible to hold both a hotel (guest house) and an entertainment licence, so for serving alcohol in the afternoon you would have to register as a (short time) guest. BB I actually heard the same, but I'm not sure it applies to Thailand (i.e. the serving of drinks to registered hotel guests 24/7), and unfortunately it is nigh impossible to get straight answers from the local officialdom! It's already difficult to get the exact operating times for the different kind of license! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobi Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Monty, will this "clean up" also apply to bars etc on the Darkside? The Mabprachan lake area is not part of Pattaya City,and as far as I am aware, is controlled by different police - Banglamung, as opposed to Pattaya. Or is this being applied to whole of Chon Buri - maybe from the Governor's office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Monty, will this "clean up" also apply to bars etc on the Darkside?The Mabprachan lake area is not part of Pattaya City,and as far as I am aware, is controlled by different police - Banglamung, as opposed to Pattaya. Or is this being applied to whole of Chon Buri - maybe from the Governor's office? Wish I knew! At least we can always open afternoons as non of us on the Darkside operate under the entertainment license (unobtainable outside the designated entertainment zone). Worst thing for us would be that they start enforcing the alcohol selling times We're already stuck with midnight closing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basset Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 well, my cahier has just come back again from a meeting in soi 6 and today is saying all pattaya not just soi 6, must not open till 6pm!so still no clearer, just phoned bertie whos gone on a recon see if he can make it any more understandable. so they cant turn all bars off in thailand till 6pm at night, surely, so some will have to open, then will it be bars serving food? or accomadation? or open bars or closed bars or air con bars or non aircon or non smoking bars, bars with "you" in the name????? see what tommorow brings! Most of the girls are now ouside the back doors!! Soi 6/1 be careful of those girls at the back or you might get a little surprise.................... Not the ones I am looking at! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurgen Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I think a 6 week ban on booze would be a great idea. It's about time some of you lot dried out <deleted> PS, did I mention I'm away offshore as from Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Jenny's will miss you Kurgie!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raro Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Jenny's will miss you Kurgie!!! So does the Thai Brewers Guild... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guderian Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I had somebody at that meeting as well.It is not really alcohol related (yet). They are actually planning (and started) to enforce the opening times all the different operating licenses allow. The 6 PM opening is for bars holding "entertainment" licenses. Those licenses clearly state operating times to be from 6 PM till 2 AM. Let your Thai staff take a look, it is actually written on the license! Thanks monty, that was the clearest explanation I have seen anywhere so far. I hope they will now start 'forcing' the Walking Street GoGo bars to open at the designated hour of 6:00 PM, instead of waiting until maybe 8:00 PM as most of them do? We could end up with 4-hour long Happy Hours! Every cloud... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Can't enforce what the laws they have now - BIB is more interested in upping their tea dosh than doing actual police work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurgen Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Jenny's will miss you Kurgie!!! I hear you've been barred after too many "girls" complained that you were a pain in the arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wileycoyote Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Is this true ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Dunno, first I heard about being a pain in the arse!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEFLMike Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) A few days have passed now, what is the situation on Soi 6,as of Friday 10th October? Edited October 10, 2008 by TEFLMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melonf Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 A few days have passed now, what is the situation on Soi 6,as of Friday 10th October? A couple of police patrols kept it pretty well locked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wileycoyote Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Drat ! I wonder if this will be a 7 day Wonder or for keeps ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 A few days have passed now, what is the situation on Soi 6,as of Friday 10th October? Yep, several check ups by the BIB along with the 30,000 Baht fine/30 day closure threat is keepng things awfully quit. If they keep it up it'll result in several jobs lost, mainly cashiers, no sense having 2 shifts for 8 hours of operating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Dunno heard conflicting reports some bars open with ladies out, others peaking out doorways trying to lure customers in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nouvo135 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 In the last 20 years we have seen these restrictions come and go. And this will as well. Let your livers and pockets take a rest. failing that stock your fridge up, that'll teach them hey!!!!!!!!! if ya need a girl........... well just walk outside your hotel, and kep smiling at the girls........ sorted in less than 3 minutes. you dont need soi6 or any others b4 6pm do you?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basset Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Looking bad, Jack Tar bar closed down yesterday they are at the moment changing licences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted October 11, 2008 Author Share Posted October 11, 2008 Looking bad, Jack Tar bar closed down yesterday they are at the moment changing licences. Huh? I would think they have a restaurant license, how the heck they can close them down??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Few of the bars are restaurants, so def be odd to close down. Derbyshire is a good example - bar/restaurant/lodging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) Could be worse though. "Beach bars demolished in tourism revamp" http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnough...E49878020081010 The Paradise Bar was the first bar I had a beer in Freetown when I came in on the chopper from the airport in 2000. Now it's gone. The TQ was the first bar I had a beer in Pattaya when I came in from Saudi in 1978. Are we paying attention here? Edited October 11, 2008 by NanLaew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torrenova Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I've always gone overboard on licenses because they cost next to nothing and give you some greater flexibility but as Monty said, it is nigh on impossible to get a straightforward explanation of anything official from those who really just want to fine you for some infringement of a previously unknown rule. Not sure why they have to close though ? Get a bar license (should have already) and open as a bar from whenever. It's the sex onsite which is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaimai Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Dunno heard conflicting reports some bars open with ladies out, others peaking out doorways trying to lure customers in. There are several back entrances in 6/1, or so I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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