Thaksin Guilty In Land Case, Gets 2-year Imprisonment

[animatic]

The Nation, breaking news, October 26, 2008 : Last updated 05:23 pm

Prinya reminds Thaksin fight is over

Thammasat University's law lecturer Prinya Thewanaruemitkul Sunday reminded former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra that his fight was over following his conviction.

Thaksin was now a fugitive fleeing his punishment on the Ratchadapisek land case, Prinya said, arguing that it was inappropriate for state-run NBT station to provide live coverage for a planned telephone call from London.

He warned Thaksin not to stir up trouble by swaying his supporters to act in defiance of the Supreme Court's verdict.

"Thaksin should realise that the game was over and his supporters might face dire consequences if he continues to incite them to defile the judiciary," he said.

If opposing crowds clash triggering the bloodshed, then the military would have no choice but to intervene and this will lead, in turn, to even more violence as anti-coup protesters take to the streets to fight with the soldiers, he said.

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How many more pieces of GOOD SENSIBLE ADVICE / THE FACTS AS THEY ARE do need to be aware of Thaksin ?????

marshbags

Wasn't Prinya the Thammasat academic who freaked out over Chotiros Suriyawong's little black dress? PAD tosser.

Mostly because she made some men who make BIG donations to universities have impure thoughts.

And their wives of coures lean on them for proprieties sake.

As the mia nois secretly laughed their heads off.

As is fairly ty[pical with bluenoses, they get into some pretty funky hanky-panky on the side on the sly.

He was assistant rector for student affairs.

His boss told him to do it, because there were threats the money would dry up.

No doubt the prig of a Culture minster weighed in big time on their backs too.

The same clueless dame who hired Girly Berry for a good girls image show...

As punishment, Amy was ordered to read books to blind children for 15 days,

as well as perform other community services. (oh, the horror)

As is typical hypocracy from above, rained like manna from heaven.

Yeah it was damned sexy dress, and she clearly had nothing underneith,

but that made the impure THOUGHTS worse and wives more pissed off.

Amy no doubt has no shortage of dates and pleasant diversions in her life now.

And her star power is greatly increased. She just had to kow tow and look contrite a bit.

I DOUBT it was real.

About as real as Prinya's desire to rake her across the coals.

It just was within his job description to deal with her, when word came from above.

Edited October 26, 2008 by animatic

[plachon]

By the way, why are you so obsessed with which public school or university people went to?

Couldn't really care less about public schools (Winchester is only interesting because its entrance exam is probably the most demanding in the world) but on the university side yes I really do believe Harvard/Yale or Oxford/Cambridge attract the best and brightest.

Sadly, Oxford has been slipping in recent years and repeatedly been overtaken by Imperial College in many league tables of "b and b". Been resting on old laurels for too long. As for Yale, I guess GWB's graduation from its ranks could be read in many ways about the type of people it tends to attract.

But absolutely no objection if elite universities admit bright Northern folk and other worthy members of the lower classes.They may get debagged from time to time and thrown into the River Cam but that's a reasonable price to pay for being alongside us Bullingham Club types.

Are you talking about Bullingdon or Bullingham? Isis or Cam? I can well imagine you being a strong admirer of BoJo, Cameron, Osbourne (about to go down for his affiliations with Russian crooks) and co, if it is indeed the former.

And if anyone wants to know about the type of person who joins the Bullingdon Club, follow this link......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/m...highereducation

PS. Funny you always banging on about the elite of Thailand = PAD and vice versa, sometimes at the level of Sunrise and LOS, and then vigorously sticking up for Oxbridge chums like Noppadon. Consistency and rigorousness of argument never wereyour strong points, as has been pointed out several times before.

Edited October 26, 2008 by plachon

[animatic]

By the way, why are you so obsessed with which public school or university people went to?

Couldn't really care less about public schools (Winchester is only interesting because its entrance exam is probably the most demanding in the world) but on the university side yes I really do believe Harvard/Yale or Oxford/Cambridge attract the best and brightest.

Sadly, Oxford has been slipping in recent years and repeatedly been overtaken by Imperial College in many league tables of "b and b". Been resting on old laurels for too long. As for Yale, I guess GWB's graduation from its ranks could be read in many ways about the type of people it tends to attract.

But absolutely no objection if elite universities admit bright Northern folk and other worthy members of the lower classes.They may get debagged from time to time and thrown into the River Cam but that's a reasonable price to pay for being alongside us Bullingham Club types.

Are you talking about Bullingdon or Bullingham? Isis or Cam? I can well imagine you being a strong admirer of BoJo, Cameron, Osbourne (about to go down for his affiliations with Russian crooks) and co, if it is indeed the former.

And if anyone wants to know about the type of person who joins the Bullingdon Club, follow this link......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/m...highereducation

PS. Funny you always banging on about the elite of Thailand = PAD and vice versa, sometimes at the level of Sunrise and LOS, and then vigorously sticking up for Oxbridge chums like Noppadon. Consistency and rigorousness of argument never were your strong points, as has been pointed out several times before.

LOL ah but isn't "consitancy the hobgoblin of little minds"?

Flexabilty of thought; the ability to CHANGE ONES' mind,

as opposed to just forgetting what you said earlier.

Consistent with political ambition and random punditry.

He should have known from their reputations as members of the Oxford Bullingham club of plutocratic hel_l-raisers that Osborne and Rothschild were bad news. As for Mandelson - invite someone like him to stay on your yacht and you're asking to get more than fleas. Mandelson is to the world of politics what the naked short seller is to finance.

McCHATTER: Iain Macwhirter Sunday Herald

Ooh, gotta hang with this bunch and have a Pims Cup.

David Cameron was tougher to tie down.

But Robinson sets out three defining events which have shaped Cameron into an alleged Tory "moderniser":

His wife Samantha, who apparently dragged Cameron into the real world, especially on things like Section 28.

Strange that, a Bullingham Club member being dragged into the real world

by the "daughter of a baronet whose job is selling £950 handbags".

Paul Walter

Ah yes a passing glance at reality on the ground,

or is that manicured grounds...

Funny how Oxford education hasn't impressed on Noppadon the importance of

READING the blinking constitution he is working under as Foreign Minister of a real country.

Or maybe the BULLIGDON Club

Does Dave Cameron have more Etonians, other ex-public schoolboys and girls,

Oxbridge grads, and former members of the Bullingdon in his shadow cabinet

or in his entourage of advisers and close supporters than anyone else might have.

Ah, that Old School Tie keeps them together through out the years

through times of meaty thighbone or times of rank ribs.

Edited October 26, 2008 by animatic

[younghusband]

By the way, why are you so obsessed with which public school or university people went to?

Couldn't really care less about public schools (Winchester is only interesting because its entrance exam is probably the most demanding in the world) but on the university side yes I really do believe Harvard/Yale or Oxford/Cambridge attract the best and brightest.

Sadly, Oxford has been slipping in recent years and repeatedly been overtaken by Imperial College in many league tables of "b and b". Been resting on old laurels for too long. As for Yale, I guess GWB's graduation from its ranks could be read in many ways about the type of people it tends to attract.

But absolutely no objection if elite universities admit bright Northern folk and other worthy members of the lower classes.They may get debagged from time to time and thrown into the River Cam but that's a reasonable price to pay for being alongside us Bullingham Club types.

Are you talking about Bullingdon or Bullingham? Isis or Cam? I can well imagine you being a strong admirer of BoJo, Cameron, Osbourne (about to go down for his affiliations with Russian crooks) and co, if it is indeed the former.

And if anyone wants to know about the type of person who joins the Bullingdon Club, follow this link......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/m...highereducation

PS. Funny you always banging on about the elite of Thailand = PAD and vice versa, sometimes at the level of Sunrise and LOS, and then vigorously sticking up for Oxbridge chums like Noppadon. Consistency and rigorousness of argument never wereyour strong points, as has been pointed out several times before.

Lighten up.It was meant to be a facetious parody of the Oxford of Evelyn Waugh's Brideshead but obviously went right over your head.There's no such thing as the Bullingham Club since I made it up.But your final comment certainly highlighted the monstrous chip on your shoulder.It's a curious irony that the foreign element who sympathise with the PAD's contempt for the rural majority are often of lower or lower middle class origin themselves in their country of origin.Yet they squeal like stuck pigs when it is politely pointed out to them they are as prole-like as the rural Thais they apparently hold in contempt.

[plachon]

By the way, why are you so obsessed with which public school or university people went to?

Couldn't really care less about public schools (Winchester is only interesting because its entrance exam is probably the most demanding in the world) but on the university side yes I really do believe Harvard/Yale or Oxford/Cambridge attract the best and brightest.

Sadly, Oxford has been slipping in recent years and repeatedly been overtaken by Imperial College in many league tables of "b and b". Been resting on old laurels for too long. As for Yale, I guess GWB's graduation from its ranks could be read in many ways about the type of people it tends to attract.

But absolutely no objection if elite universities admit bright Northern folk and other worthy members of the lower classes.They may get debagged from time to time and thrown into the River Cam but that's a reasonable price to pay for being alongside us Bullingham Club types.

Are you talking about Bullingdon or Bullingham? Isis or Cam? I can well imagine you being a strong admirer of BoJo, Cameron, Osbourne (about to go down for his affiliations with Russian crooks) and co, if it is indeed the former.

And if anyone wants to know about the type of person who joins the Bullingdon Club, follow this link......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/m...highereducation

PS. Funny you always banging on about the elite of Thailand = PAD and vice versa, sometimes at the level of Sunrise and LOS, and then vigorously sticking up for Oxbridge chums like Noppadon. Consistency and rigorousness of argument never wereyour strong points, as has been pointed out several times before.

Lighten up.It was meant to be a facetious parody of the Oxford of Evelyn Waugh's Brideshead but obviously went right over your head.There's no such thing as the Bullingham Club since I made it up.But your final comment certainly highlighted the monstrous chip on your shoulder.It's a curious irony that the foreign element who sympathise with the PAD's contempt for the rural majority are often of lower or lower middle class origin themselves in their country of origin.Yet they squeal like stuck pigs when it is politely pointed out to them they are as prole-like as the rural Thais they apparently hold in contempt.

I find it rather sad, if not somewhat tragic, when every attempt at parody, irony and comedy seems to fall so flat on its face. Nobody laughs, if they get your bizarre sense of humour at all, and frequently they seem to end up being insulted - just look how you raised the bile of Marshbags when you had a snide dig at visa runners and Floridians. Now you have a go at "proles" and "lower middle class". Which century do you live in? C'mon YH, face it, you just don't "do" humour - it's like John Cleese trying to do serious party political broadcasts and folk can only see Basil Fawlty in front of their eyes - it just doesn't work! You'd be far more at home sitting in a gentleman's club snorting and guffawing over the latest copy of The Spectator and planning your next Bollinger crawl with your old school chums Cuthbert and Algenon than trying to raise a laugh on TV by incessantly bringing up class issues, whether in the UK or Thai realm of politics. The only chips on shoulders I see around here are amongst the Thaksinista pundits who are seeing their dreams of a hero's return ebbing away by the day and are now clutching ever more feverishly and desparately to scraps of flotsam and jetsam to rescue their damaged pride. I appreciate you haven't slumped to the base level of some yet, but your upper class twit arrogance still blocks you from admitting fundamental errors in your judgement of character and events, time and time again. Bad luck old boy!

[sriracha john]

Sour grapes grow in London

Thaksin's outburst against the court's ruling merely reaffirms his contempt for the principle of good governance, accountability, and transparency - and his over-confidence that he could escape scot-free. Like a sore loser in a soccer match who blames the referee for his team's loss rather than admit it was the poor performance of his players or lousy coaching, deposed PM Thaksin has protested vigorously that he was robbed of justice by the Thai judiciary and that he is as pure as the driven snow. This, in sports terminology, is called "sour grapes." One day after the Supreme Court handed him a 2-year jail sentence after finding him guilty of breaching the anti-corruption law, Thaksin issued a statement to the foreign news services protesting the verdict. He said he was convicted not because he was found guilty of corruption or malfeasance in office, but because "I am a politician and a successful politician who was twice elected PM by the majority of the people." The fugitive former leader of Thailand slammed what he charged was a "conspiracy" by the privileged elitists who have been hel_l-bent on destroying him because he was seen as a "threat" to them and also because "I am the representative of liberal democracy who inspires the hope and pride of the poor people in my country." He railed that his only crime was that he had shown to the underprivileged and poor rural inhabitants that they could demand of their government policies and projects that would improve their livelihood. A champion of liberal democracy! A Robin Hood of the poor! How touching! A good guy fighting all the bad guys, especially those in the Thai justice system and the elite class. That seems to be the gist of his message to his supporters at home who will undoubtedly fall for it without question. First of all, his conviction. He is right that there was no evidence to prove he was corrupt or misused his power in connection with the purchase of the Ratchadaphisek land by his wife Potjaman. What he omitted to mention is that he violated the anti-graft law which forbids a political office holder to enter into a contract with a state agency or having a vested interest in that contract which, in this case, involved a land deal secured by his wife. He cannot claim to know nothing about the law. Or that the law was specifically written to go after him or his family because the law had been in force before the land deal. This provision was crafted with the intention to set a new standard for our gutter politicians - that they must act ethically and not get involved in conflicts of interest. Thaksin's outburst against the court's ruling merely reaffirms his contempt for the principle of good governance, accountability and transparency. His claim that there was a conspiracy by the elitists to go after him is pure fantasy. The Ratchadaphisek land deal as well as the other cases against him pending in the court or pending with the Attorney-General are not fabricated, but are all of his own making, probably out of his own over-confidence that he could escape scot-free. Last but not least, Thaksin's claim of being a champion of liberal democracy is a big joke. What he truely believes in is certainly not liberal democracy, but democracy by the majority wherein the voices of the minority are muzzled or ignored. He seems to have conveniently forgotten that during his administration the press were hugely intimidated and freedom interfered with. But Thaksin's statement to the foreign media which was riddled with half-truths and lies in order to paint this country in a negative light does not seem to satisfy his passion for revenge. Apparently with the collaboration of his faithful cronies at home, the

Commentary by Veera Prateepchaikul, Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Post Publishing Co Ltd. continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.net/topstories/tops...s.php?id=131655

[sriracha john]

Democrat party urges Thaksin to clarify letter

Opposition Democrat Party Assistant Secretary-General urged former premier Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin Shinawatra to clarify a number of points in his letter circulated to foreign media.

Mr Thepthai Senpong, the Assistant Secretary-General of Democrat Party, stated to the media today (October 27) blamed former premier Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin’s recent letter to foreign media about the Supreme Court's verdict on October 22 against him on Ratchada land's deal was inappropriate.

Mr. Thepthai urged Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin to clarify his comments about some figures in his letter whether he referred to people stipulated in the Constitution's Article 8.

The Democrat Party MP also asked the Supreme Court to consider the case whether it infringed on the jurisdiction of the court or not.

- ThaiNews

===================================================

for information purposes:

Article 8:

The King is in a position of reverence and shall not be violated.

It is prohibited to expose the King to any kind of accusation or lawsuit.

[marshbags]

Today's Top Stories, Bangkok Post, Monday October 27, 2008 02:39

Sour grapes grow in London

Thaksin's outburst against the court's ruling merely reaffirms his contempt for the principle of good governance, accountability and transparency - and his over-confidence that he could escape scot-free.

COMMENTARY by Veera Prateepchaikul

Veera Prateepchaikul is Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Post Publishing Co Ltd.

Quote

Like a sore loser in a soccer match who blames the referee for his team's loss rather than admit it was the poor performance of his players or lousy coaching, deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has protested vigorously that he was robbed of justice by the Thai judiciary and that he is as pure as the driven snow. This, in sports terminology, is called "sour grapes".

One day after the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions handed him a two-year jail sentence after finding him guilty of breaching the anti-corruption law, Thaksin issued a statement to the foreign news services protesting the verdict. He said he was convicted not because he was found guilty of corruption or malfeasance in office but because "I am a politician and a successful politician who was twice elected prime minister by the majority of the people".

The fugitive former leader of Thailand slammed what he charged was a "conspiracy" by the privileged elitists who have been hel_l-bent on destroying him because he was seen as a "threat" to them and also because "I am the representative of liberal democracy who inspires the hope and pride of the poor people in my country".

He railed that his only crime was that he had shown to the underprivileged and poor rural inhabitants that they could demand of their government policies and projects that would improve their livelihood.

A champion of liberal democracy! A Robin Hood of the poor! How touching! A good guy fighting all the bad guys, especially those in the Thai justice system and the elite class. That seems to be the gist of his message to his supporters at home who will undoubtedly fall for it without question.

Unquote

Ref url for the complete article is :-

http://bangkokpost.com/topstories/topstories.php?id=131655

Seems to me YH has been infected with the poor loser, cannot accept reality and tries to get back at those who do not support Thaksins unethical wrongdoings by using acidic comments disguised as as he put,s it in the form of facetiousness ?????

Stick to straight forward criticism, is the advice i would offer you YH as it always comes across as snide comment.

Plachon and Animatic to name but two have on several occasions, ( * these two members are reasonable and not recognised for being unreasonable IMHO ), so perhaps it would be a good move for your creditability, if you took on board the importance of not insulting everyone when you post your opinions on the subject matter of your contention, otherwise it looks like it is contentious and you will be seen as such, instead of offering reasonable debate.

Their you go, YH, not a flame in sight, just to set you an example.

marshbags

Edited October 27, 2008 by marshbags

[sriracha john]

Thaksin's childhood friend from Chiang Mai chimes in...

FM needs a week to consider Thaksin case

Minister of Foreign Affairs would take one week to consider Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin Shinawatra's letter claim that local elite group was behind legal procedure convicting him for two years' imprisonment.

Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Sompong Amornvivat stated today (October 26) that his ministry would not refrain from considering former premier Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin's claiming in his letter to foreign media about the matter.

Insisting he has not yet learned clear details on the matter, Sompong said that it would take about one week for his ministry to investigate and gather more information on this matter. All parties in this case would be treated fairly based on facts, he said.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs, he said, would not interfere with the Attorney-General's move seeking Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin's extradition from the British's authorities, adding the ministry was prepared to fully support the Attorney-General's move.

- ThaiNews / 2008-10-26

Edited October 27, 2008 by sriracha john

[animatic]

By the way, why are you so obsessed with which public school or university people went to?

Couldn't really care less about public schools (Winchester is only interesting because its entrance exam is probably the most demanding in the world) but on the university side yes I really do believe Harvard/Yale or Oxford/Cambridge attract the best and brightest.

Sadly, Oxford has been slipping in recent years and repeatedly been overtaken by Imperial College in many league tables of "b and b". Been resting on old laurels for too long. As for Yale, I guess GWB's graduation from its ranks could be read in many ways about the type of people it tends to attract.

But absolutely no objection if elite universities admit bright Northern folk and other worthy members of the lower classes.They may get debagged from time to time and thrown into the River Cam but that's a reasonable price to pay for being alongside us Bullingham Club types.

Are you talking about Bullingdon or Bullingham? Isis or Cam? I can well imagine you being a strong admirer of BoJo, Cameron, Osbourne (about to go down for his affiliations with Russian crooks) and co, if it is indeed the former.

And if anyone wants to know about the type of person who joins the Bullingdon Club, follow this link......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/m...highereducation

PS. Funny you always banging on about the elite of Thailand = PAD and vice versa, sometimes at the level of Sunrise and LOS, and then vigorously sticking up for Oxbridge chums like Noppadon. Consistency and rigorousness of argument never wereyour strong points, as has been pointed out several times before.

Lighten up.It was meant to be a facetious parody of the Oxford of Evelyn Waugh's Brideshead but obviously went right over your head.There's no such thing as the Bullingham Club since I made it up.But your final comment certainly highlighted the monstrous chip on your shoulder.It's a curious irony that the foreign element who sympathise with the PAD's contempt for the rural majority are often of lower or lower middle class origin themselves in their country of origin.Yet they squeal like stuck pigs when it is politely pointed out to them they are as prole-like as the rural Thais they apparently hold in contempt.

ROTFLOL,

Oh yeah the hi-so's stepped on me so AWEFULLY.

it amazes me you actual believe this....

How utterly wrong you can be in your self-assurance.

AS for GWB and Yale, the old scool tie will get even idiot sons

to at last make a passing grade, if needs be.

[younghusband]

Today's Top Stories, Bangkok Post, Monday October 27, 2008 02:39

Sour grapes grow in London

Thaksin's outburst against the court's ruling merely reaffirms his contempt for the principle of good governance, accountability and transparency - and his over-confidence that he could escape scot-free.

COMMENTARY by Veera Prateepchaikul

Veera Prateepchaikul is Deputy Editor-in-Chief, Post Publishing Co Ltd.

Quote

Like a sore loser in a soccer match who blames the referee for his team's loss rather than admit it was the poor performance of his players or lousy coaching, deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has protested vigorously that he was robbed of justice by the Thai judiciary and that he is as pure as the driven snow. This, in sports terminology, is called "sour grapes".

One day after the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions handed him a two-year jail sentence after finding him guilty of breaching the anti-corruption law, Thaksin issued a statement to the foreign news services protesting the verdict. He said he was convicted not because he was found guilty of corruption or malfeasance in office but because "I am a politician and a successful politician who was twice elected prime minister by the majority of the people".

The fugitive former leader of Thailand slammed what he charged was a "conspiracy" by the privileged elitists who have been hel_l-bent on destroying him because he was seen as a "threat" to them and also because "I am the representative of liberal democracy who inspires the hope and pride of the poor people in my country".

He railed that his only crime was that he had shown to the underprivileged and poor rural inhabitants that they could demand of their government policies and projects that would improve their livelihood.

A champion of liberal democracy! A Robin Hood of the poor! How touching! A good guy fighting all the bad guys, especially those in the Thai justice system and the elite class. That seems to be the gist of his message to his supporters at home who will undoubtedly fall for it without question.

Unquote

Ref url for the complete article is :-

http://bangkokpost.com/topstories/topstories.php?id=131655

]Stick to straight forward criticism, is the advice i would offer you YH as it always comes across as snide comment.

Plachon and Animatic to name but two have on several occasions, ( * these two members are reasonable and not recognised for being unreasonable IMHO ), so perhaps it would be a good move for your creditability, if you took on board the importance of not insulting everyone when you post your opinions on the subject matter of your contention, otherwise it looks like it is contentious and you will be seen as such, instead of offering reasonable debate.

marshbags

" Seems to me YH has been infected with the poor loser, cannot accept reality and tries to get back at those who do not support Thaksins unethical wrongdoings by using acidic comments.."

"Their you go, YH, not a flame in sight, just to set you an example."

Some would find the two statements above inconsistent, but I dare say they haven't had the same rigorous intellectual training I had at St Cake's Cambridge.

[hammered]

By the way, why are you so obsessed with which public school or university people went to?

Couldn't really care less about public schools (Winchester is only interesting because its entrance exam is probably the most demanding in the world) but on the university side yes I really do believe Harvard/Yale or Oxford/Cambridge attract the best and brightest.

Sadly, Oxford has been slipping in recent years and repeatedly been overtaken by Imperial College in many league tables of "b and b". Been resting on old laurels for too long. As for Yale, I guess GWB's graduation from its ranks could be read in many ways about the type of people it tends to attract.

But absolutely no objection if elite universities admit bright Northern folk and other worthy members of the lower classes.They may get debagged from time to time and thrown into the River Cam but that's a reasonable price to pay for being alongside us Bullingham Club types.

Are you talking about Bullingdon or Bullingham? Isis or Cam? I can well imagine you being a strong admirer of BoJo, Cameron, Osbourne (about to go down for his affiliations with Russian crooks) and co, if it is indeed the former.

And if anyone wants to know about the type of person who joins the Bullingdon Club, follow this link......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/m...highereducation

PS. Funny you always banging on about the elite of Thailand = PAD and vice versa, sometimes at the level of Sunrise and LOS, and then vigorously sticking up for Oxbridge chums like Noppadon. Consistency and rigorousness of argument never wereyour strong points, as has been pointed out several times before.

Lighten up.It was meant to be a facetious parody of the Oxford of Evelyn Waugh's Brideshead but obviously went right over your head.There's no such thing as the Bullingham Club since I made it up.But your final comment certainly highlighted the monstrous chip on your shoulder.It's a curious irony that the foreign element who sympathise with the PAD's contempt for the rural majority are often of lower or lower middle class origin themselves in their country of origin.Yet they squeal like stuck pigs when it is politely pointed out to them they are as prole-like as the rural Thais they apparently hold in contempt.

ROTFLOL,

Oh yeah the hi-so's stepped on me so AWEFULLY.

it amazes me you actual believe this....

How utterly wrong you can be in your self-assurance.

AS for GWB and Yale, the old scool tie will get even idiot sons

to at last make a passing grade, if needs be.

It is not exactly unknown for the idiot but wealthy and well connected sons of the elite in the UK or from several ex-colonies to get places in Oxford and Cambridge and still emerge with a grade of some sort although I do understand that a certain number of social events have to be attended University, college, polytechnic etc of whatever calibre give you the tools with which to analyse what is going on around you so you can make an informed opinion. It is up to the individual though whether they choose to use them or prefer a more supporter of a team approach to life. Actually when I say give the tools to analyse that probably only applies up until universties were turned into glorified technical colleges to churn out workers and drones for the vast service sector etc

Anyway interesting discussion but quite what it has to do with Thaksin and land cases is getting beyond my stilted attempts at analysis, or maybe that is more to do with the rather good wine I was imbibing last night

edited to correct my own idiotic spelling mistakes and typos. I was not privileged enough to attend any well thought of institutions. Apologies to my lords and betters....

Edited October 27, 2008 by hammered

[Samuian]

....edit....It's a curious irony that the foreign element who sympathise with the PAD's contempt for the rural majority are often of lower or lower middle class origin themselves in their country of origin.Yet they squeal like stuck pigs when it is politely pointed out to them they are as prole-like as the rural Thais they apparently hold in contempt.

I thought that you were "high strung", you corrected it to "arrogant", but reevaluating as of your correction, I would say now, like the folks back home do, "a broomstick up his rear, all the way up to his neck!" Well, some manage to live with it!

[tig28]

[

" former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy."

Samak Sundaravej was NOT elected by the people, his party might have ended up in power -- but he wasn't elected by the people.

No prime minister of Thailand is elected by the people. This is similar to many other democracies around the world.

What is your point?

[animatic]

Thaksin's childhood friend from Chiang Mai chimes in...

FM needs a week to consider Thaksin case

Minister of Foreign Affairs would take one week to consider Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin Shinawatra's letter claim that local elite group was behind legal procedure convicting him for two years' imprisonment.

Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Sompong Amornvivat stated today (October 26) that his ministry would not refrain from considering former premier Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin's claiming in his letter to foreign media about the matter.

Insisting he has not yet learned clear details on the matter, Sompong said that it would take about one week for his ministry to investigate and gather more information on this matter. All parties in this case would be treated fairly based on facts, he said.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs, he said, would not interfere with the Attorney-General's move seeking Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin's extradition from the British's authorities, adding the ministry was prepared to fully support the Attorney-General's move.

- ThaiNews / 2008-10-26

Oh yes, we will not refrain..

Brilliant!

[sriracha john]

"former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy."

Samak Sundaravej was NOT elected by the people, his party might have ended up in power -- but he wasn't elected by the people.

No prime minister of Thailand is elected by the people. This is similar to many other democracies around the world.

What is your point?

a point worth noting is the "mob" who removed Samak from PM was the Constitution Court... which did so for his criminal acts...

[animatic]

Reasonable is good.

[sriracha john]

He's here....

Thaksin will be allowed to talk longer than 20 minutes

People Power Party MP Jatuporn Promphan said former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra would be allowed to talk longer than 20 minutes during a talk show programme on NBT on November 1.

Jatuporn, a host of the Today's Truth programme, said Thaksin would be allowed to talk longer than 20 minutes to be able to cover all what he wants to talk.

He said the mobile talk show of the programme at the national stadium would not lead to any violence.

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<deleted> is going on ???

A convicted criminal on the run from justice gets to be allowed to make what is bound to be nothing more than a party political broadcast, along with all it,s obvious implications of the predicable outcome of his self vindication of all that has been taking place in the Supreme courts ect. ect.

He's gone...

Speech off

The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) has abruptly cancelled a plan to broadcast a speech by ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra live on television next Saturday.

People Power party member Jatuporn Promphan did not explain the change in plan, saying only that the political talk show Kwam Jing Wan Nee (The Truth Today) would not on air on Saturday on state-owned NBT, formerly Channel 11.

Jatuporn, who co-hosts the programme with government spokesman Nattawut Saikua and Veera Musikapong, said Thaksin's remarks to supporters will instead be posted on www. todayfact.com and will air on NBT after Saturday.

===========================

This could be the second bit of positive news to compliment that of a change re the proposed surrounding of the PAD yesterday.

As to what will be eventually aired on the NBT,s version ( censored ) of Thaksins thoughts / statement remains to be seen

He's baaaaaaaaaacccck....

Jatuporn says Thaksin will definitely talk live on NBT programme

People Power Party MP Jatuporn Promphan, a co-host of the Today's Truth programme on NBT, said Monday that former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will make a phone call from London to speak during the mobile talk show on Saturday.

Jatuporn said the mobile talk show will be held at the Hua Mark Stadium from 5 pm to 10 pm and Thaksin would speak in the subject of "Today's Truth Against Coup and Thailand's Future".

He said some 1,000 policemen would be deployed to keep order at the stadium and some 500 student activists would also help monitor the situation.

- The Nation / 2008-10-27

Edited October 27, 2008 by sriracha john

[Plus]

Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite ....

So I'm not the only one who thinks this elite conspiracy theory is a pile horseshit.

Those who know will know already.Those who don't know will probably never know.

This has caught my attention - though originally unrelated, it describes the method of keeping elite conspiracy theory alive and well.

Perfect example of "spaghetti monster" in action.

[hammered]

Democrat party urges Thaksin to clarify letter

Opposition Democrat Party Assistant Secretary-General urged former premier Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin Shinawatra to clarify a number of points in his letter circulated to foreign media.

Mr Thepthai Senpong, the Assistant Secretary-General of Democrat Party, stated to the media today (October 27) blamed former premier Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin’s recent letter to foreign media about the Supreme Court's verdict on October 22 against him on Ratchada land's deal was inappropriate.

Mr. Thepthai urged Police Lieutenant Colonel Thaksin to clarify his comments about some figures in his letter whether he referred to people stipulated in the Constitution's Article 8.

The Democrat Party MP also asked the Supreme Court to consider the case whether it infringed on the jurisdiction of the court or not.

- ThaiNews

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for information purposes:

Article 8:

The King is in a position of reverence and shall not be violated.

It is prohibited to expose the King to any kind of accusation or lawsuit.

Totally unconnected I guess to the feverish debate on certain Thai webboards last week over the comment reffering to "your nightmare" in his letter.

[hammered]

He's here....

Thaksin will be allowed to talk longer than 20 minutes

People Power Party MP Jatuporn Promphan said former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra would be allowed to talk longer than 20 minutes during a talk show programme on NBT on November 1.

Jatuporn, a host of the Today's Truth programme, said Thaksin would be allowed to talk longer than 20 minutes to be able to cover all what he wants to talk.

He said the mobile talk show of the programme at the national stadium would not lead to any violence.

=======================

<deleted> is going on ???

A convicted criminal on the run from justice gets to be allowed to make what is bound to be nothing more than a party political broadcast, along with all it,s obvious implications of the predicable outcome of his self vindication of all that has been taking place in the Supreme courts ect. ect.

He's gone...

Speech off

The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) has abruptly cancelled a plan to broadcast a speech by ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra live on television next Saturday.

People Power party member Jatuporn Promphan did not explain the change in plan, saying only that the political talk show Kwam Jing Wan Nee (The Truth Today) would not on air on Saturday on state-owned NBT, formerly Channel 11.

Jatuporn, who co-hosts the programme with government spokesman Nattawut Saikua and Veera Musikapong, said Thaksin's remarks to supporters will instead be posted on www. todayfact.com and will air on NBT after Saturday.

===========================

This could be the second bit of positive news to compliment that of a change re the proposed surrounding of the PAD yesterday.

As to what will be eventually aired on the NBT,s version ( censored ) of Thaksins thoughts / statement remains to be seen

He's baaaaaaaaaacccck....

Jatuporn says Thaksin will definitely talk live on NBT programme

People Power Party MP Jatuporn Promphan, a co-host of the Today's Truth programme on NBT, said Monday that former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will make a phone call from London to speak during the mobile talk show on Saturday.

Jatuporn said the mobile talk show will be held at the Hua Mark Stadium from 5 pm to 10 pm and Thaksin would speak in the subject of "Today's Truth Against Coup and Thailand's Future".

He said some 1,000 policemen would be deployed to keep order at the stadium and some 500 student activists would also help monitor the situation.

- The Nation / 2008-10-27

Are the PPP united and playing the good cop-bad cop routine with the on-off speech or is it just a difference in tactics or is it just down to Jatuporn thinking the crowd will be small if there is no reason to come or do they need a crowd for an ulterior motive? Lots of questions to be answered here. There is also a lot of expectation over what Thaksin will say. That makes it difficult to actually meet the expectation and there are probably things he will not want to say at this point if ever at all. Anyway maybe they want it banned too. After all a banned but bland speech later cirulated on CDs is far more interesting than a bland live speech.

[marshbags]

Today's Top Stories, Bangkok Post, Monday October 27, 2008 02:39

Sour grapes grow in London

Thaksin's outburst against the court's ruling merely reaffirms his contempt for the principle of good governance, accountability and transparency - and his over-confidence that he could escape scot-free.

Edited by marshbags apart from the summing up above which is always worth another show

Ref url for the complete article is :-

http://bangkokpost.com/topstories/topstories.php?id=131655

Apologies for the duplication, above of S.J,s article, didn,t spot the original when i scrolled the thread.

]Stick to straight forward criticism, is the advice i would offer you YH as it always comes across as snide comment.

Plachon and Animatic to name but two have on several occasions, ( * these two members are reasonable and not recognised for being unreasonable IMHO ), so perhaps it would be a good move for your creditability, if you took on board the importance of not insulting everyone when you post your opinions on the subject matter of your contention, otherwise it looks like it is contentious and you will be seen as such, instead of offering reasonable debate.

marshbags

" Seems to me YH has been infected with the poor loser, cannot accept reality and tries to get back at those who do not support Thaksins unethical wrongdoings by using acidic comments.."

"Their you go, YH, not a flame in sight, just to set you an example."

Some would find the two statements above inconsistent, but I dare say they haven't had the same rigorous intellectual training I had at St Cake's Cambridge.

Why bother

marshbags

Edited October 27, 2008 by marshbags

[sriracha john]

Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite ....

So I'm not the only one who thinks this elite conspiracy theory is a pile horseshit.

Those who know will know already.Those who don't know will probably never know.

This has caught my attention - though originally unrelated, it describes the method of keeping elite conspiracy theory alive and well.

Perfect example of "spaghetti monster" in action.

A traitor who wants to drag everyone down with him

The love letter from Thaksin Shinawatra to the Western media represents the true character of the billionaire who has been given the new status of a common criminal who jumped bail, evaded seven arrest warrants, and was handed a two-year jail term.

In his "declaration", Thaksin blames other people for the causes of his political misfortune and fugitive exile, but never himself. He wants the Western media to see him as a man who can do no wrong and who must prevail in all circumstances.

His accusations at the "privileged elites" who regard him as the prime threat to their class are preposterous and ridiculous.

In Thailand's recent political history, nobody could be accorded any more supreme privilege than Thaksin.

When he returned to face charges earlier this year, he was given instant bail instead of being arrested. He was able to travel freely and have access to top legal teams including lawyers who serve as minions in his party. They failed to defend him due to solid evidence against his misdeeds and those of his wife.

Thaksin was allowed by the court to travel to China and Japan, based on trust and bail amounting to chicken feed. When he learned that an attempt by his legal cronies to bribe court officials had failed, and they were caught red-handed, he decided to jump bail and flee to England.

His game plan was in tatters, but never his flair in bad-mouthing his motherland and its judicial system. Except for his admirers, all other people view him as a petty crook who lied with a deadpan face. He believed the world was full of naive people who would fall for his tall tales.

Of course, he has taken the credit for being solely responsible for the unending political crisis resulting from his malpractice while prime minister and his subsequent ouster by a military coup.

During more than five years of his authoritarian rule, Thaksin was involved in an incredible number of corrupt practices, and he now awaits further prosecution and court trials. It is no surprise that he rejects all charges and regards them as a fine-tuned conspiracy to ruin him.

Thaksin had been comfortable among the elite until his last day in office. He never needed schooling in the art of shady deals. It came naturally to him; his track record of success in making billions serves as clear proof of that. Indeed, he is a legend in business and politics, especially for policy corruption.

Even from afar, Thaksin can still stir up trouble. He has pulled the strings of two governments in succession. The ultimate reward for politicians who serve him as cronies will be jail terms now that criminal charges have been lodged against them.

Thaksin remains the only politician and national leader who put national assets in a nice package and sold them - to the Temasek Group of Singapore for a cool 76 Billion Baht. He paid no tax at all, and still claimed unmatched patriotism.

Nobody can better explain Thaksin's wheeling and dealing while amassing power and wealth to fulfill his unfathomable ambition and greed than Snoh Thienthong, who boasted of being instrumental in putting Thaksin in the premiership. Snoh has made unflattering revelations about the mischief of Thaksin and his wife as the couple tried to create a political dynasty to prolong their control of the country's destiny. It was a real eye-opener for those who have blind faith in the disgraced man.

In his latest stunt, Thaksin can still be seen as belonging to the privileged elite. Now a convict and fugitive fleeing a jail term - and seeking political asylum in England - he is allowed a golden opportunity to blame his accusers and speak glowingly of himself live on television. His speech will be broadcast nationally, and probably globally, on November 1, thanks to a team of cronies controlling the NBT station.

No other convicted criminal is accorded such privilege, on his own terms. The Somchai government, comprised of self-confessed puppets, is more than willing to comply, despite repeated warnings from other sectors that Thaksin's address will further escalate the political conflict.

Now, his ill-concealed hatred towards the so-called "privileged elite" will make him a full-blooded traitor in the eyes of his fellow countrymen. His phone-in talk from London to a huge gathering expected at Bangkok's largest sports stadium will split the nation - simply because he wants to drag the country down with him.

One can understand his bitterness. Nobody should challenge his supremacy in the privileged elite. The expectation that his tear-jerking talk will drive his admirers into a frenzy, spoiling for revenge and blood on his behalf, will surely be a real horror for the country. This act of treachery must be stopped in time.

It is his last high-stakes gamble. After all the foul words directed at the bench and the country's revered institution, Thaksin no longer cares how many more lives could be lost in violent confrontation. Never mind whether the casualties are his foes or supporters.

Thaksin must have resigned himself to the fact that he has nothing more to lose. He foresaw no immediate chance of returning to the homeland he exploited for many years. In the end, he might not care to think what the consequences might be. His clan could be forced to join the league of fleeing convicts after his vendetta is over.

- The Nation / 2008-10-28

[plachon]

A great piece by The Nation!!

Toxin is like a thrashing shark in a net of smaller fish as it gets pulled ever nearer the surface. Some will get bashed by his tail and others will get crushed against the sides, while others will fall victim to his snapping razor sharped teeth, as he flails desperately to avoid the encircling net. But sooner or later, he'll come unstuck and meet his fate on board the good ship Justice. But for the moment, keep well away from this fearful beast with evil in his eyes!

PS. Am I being a bit hard on sharks?

[old wanderer]

Hopefully some group in the "loyal opposition" will have the technical expertise to jam the entire broadcast and let it fall flat.

[Artisi]

The article in the nation is spot-on, only those who think he can walk on water will disagree and post their usual rubbish in TV of how great he is etc.

The sooner Thailand cuts all communication or brings back this criminal bail jumping excuse for a human being to spend some time inside the better.

[AlKing]

Wasn't Prinya the Thammasat academic who freaked out over Chotiros Suriyawong's little black dress? PAD tosser.

I googled "Chotiros Suriyawong". Wow, where did she get her cloth from. I'm sure my gf would die for one.

[animatic]

Wasn't Prinya the Thammasat academic who freaked out over Chotiros Suriyawong's little black dress? PAD tosser.

I googled "Chotiros Suriyawong". Wow, where did she get her cloth from. I'm sure my gf would die for one.

Most thai girls would die for the equivalent mamalian protuberances to hang it off of too.

See university bans short skirts thread..

Edited October 28, 2008 by animatic

[sriracha john]

another letter on the Thaksin situation has been written....

Please keep Thaksin there. We don't want him here

Dear British asylum authorities,

Before you say it, this is not dismayed sarcasm or a lame attempt at reverse psychology. This letter means every word that is written, and the one and only message that it tries to convey must not be misunderstood. We want you to keep Thaksin Shinawatra in England forever, or as long as you possibly can. Pure and simple.

He calls your country democratically mature and denounces his motherland as a dictatorial backwater where a large sector of the population cannot stand a rich and popularly elected leader.

Let him be there. He may be right. We are seemingly not sophisticated enough to deal with a democratic champion of the poor who has more money than everyone living below the poverty line put together but still needs to evade taxes and swallow up state properties against the will of the laws. Too complicated.

If he has already asked for asylum, give it to him right away before he changes his mind. If he has not, make him an offer he can't refuse. We don't care if that means you give Thailand a slap in the face. Just check our country's sorry state. A patient in a coma doesn't care how he looks.

Of course, a lot of people are making noises about the need to get him back for punishment. But ironically these are the same people who want Thaksin to disappear from the face of the earth. The other group that wants him back has the opposite goal of re-installing him as a democratic hero. So, as you can see, both camps harbour different agendas on his return, which will have the same consequence: disaster.

We may be a minority, but trust us when we say you will do Thailand a big, big favour by keeping the man. Let him launch a clandestine government in exile or simply continue to pull the strings of countless nominees. We won't blame you. If Thailand is as bad as he's saying it is to the world, we deserve to be weakened and undermined by this misunderstood angel of liberty.

We are through debating Ample Rich, Win Mark, SC Assets, the EXIM bank loan or the Ratchadapisek land deal. Thaksin has become a myth - he's either a hoax or something noble smeared by those envious of its virtues. Either way, he's too hot to handle over here.

We have ended up a wreck trying to work out if he was good or bad for Thailand. It's your turn, and the question is equally simple: Will you be helping a good, honest politician fleeing unjust prosecution in his homeland, or are you being used by a skilled con artist? Either way, a democratically mature nation like yours should be able to cope with the consequences of keeping him, without Parliament being seized and blood spilled on the streets.

Again, don't worry. You have little to lose. One half of the world will praise the asylum as your stern message against dictatorship, while the other half will be too exhausted to press on with his controversial cases anyway. And by all means The United Kingdom will be seen as a land of opportunities. Where else can political victims hunted down by ruthless dictators manage to buy a premium soccer club, sit in the director's box and then sell it at double the profit a year later?

We can never win with this man. None of the corruption cases was ever going to make its way to court when he was in power, but now that they have, he deems the courts politically motivated. This, however, doesn't mean we will mind if you take that excuse seriously and grant him asylum. There's a little problem, but we think you can cope. Giving him asylum could spark a "yellow" protest at your Bangkok embassy, but rejecting him will send a "red" army to the same compound. In either event it might cause some panic, but sooner or later embassy staff will get used to it like most of the Thai people.

So please, the least you can do is buy us some time. If you are reluctant to grant him asylum or want to kick him out straight away, a lot of legal time-wasting tactics can be explored. If it normally takes two years, make it five. If it normally takes five, make it ten. In fact, tell us who we have to kill if you can make him a British citizen.

Yours sincerely and God save your Queen,

A group of Thai people.

- The Nation / October 29, 2008

Edited October 28, 2008 by sriracha john

[Ricardo]

A great piece by The Nation!!

Toxin is like a thrashing shark in a net of smaller fish as it gets pulled ever nearer the surface. Some will get bashed by his tail and others will get crushed against the sides, while others will fall victim to his snapping razor sharped teeth, as he flails desperately to avoid the encircling net. But sooner or later, he'll come unstuck and meet his fate on board the good ship Justice. But for the moment, keep well away from this fearful beast with evil in his eyes!

PS. Am I being a bit hard on sharks?

Perhaps flounder might be a closer piscine simile, in his present unhappy situation, than 'shark' ?