Thaksin Guilty In Land Case, Gets 2-year Imprisonment

[Plus]

We have pro-Thaksin government which in control of the police, DSI, AMLO, Attoreny General - every state agency. What stops them from going after Dems or anyone else on anti-Thaksin side?

Actually they sue them everyday for every minute offence. If Sondhi crosses the road in the wrong place, there will be lawsuit filed in less than ten minutes.

Why there are no big corruption charges, nothing that would catch people attention?

It's certainly not because pro-Thaksin govt is not trying.

It's because PAD and Dems are squeaky clean comparing to Thaksin and his cronies.

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Weighing good things against bad is a wrong approach to justice - every case must be judged on its own merits.

Being nice to people and helping the poor doesn't give one permission to shoot anyone, for example.

You work hard - you get paid, you can get paid quite a lot, but still, if you steal - you have to go to jail.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand, Koo?

[animatic]

Koos essentialy Thaksin came to power

but creating a big graft co-op of most ALL

of the most corrupt political figures of the past 8-10 years.

With himself at the top.

That's how he got elected, he organized it like a mafia boss,

He made many factions offers they couldn't refuse.

And made sure all got a percentage, relative to their value and works done

FOR HIS ENTERPRISE, sadly not for the good of Thailand.

At the same time he threw lawyer after lawyer at ALL dissenting voices,

till they were stilled, mostly out of financial fear.

The coup happened mostly because no one COULD prosecute him

for things that were common knowledge,

because he had co-opted most checks and balances...

Checks and balances is the other parts of the system that interactively

keep each other honest and doing their designed jobs FOR THE PEOPLE.

After he got off by ONE vote for his 2001 assets concielment case

the gloves came off he controled things enought to think

he could do what ever he wanted. And he did try most all he could.

And no one COULD stop him by normal constitutional means,

he had BOUGHT the system... and erased checks and balances

None of us Anti-Thaksin people would be that way,

if he done his job. He has created my feelings for him all on his own.

I liked him when I first got here... Koos you do understand that?

I DID liken Thaksin, but his actions and the more I learned and observed him,

turn that COMPLETELY around. No political motive, no agenda of some

philisophy I wanted to replace 'Thaksinomics'...

not commie or socialist or republican or anti-monarchist or neo-con or laborite.

It was SOLELY and TOTALLY the actions of Dr. T. that have actively turned

the generally better informed against him.

The less informed have been sold a con-job, that he persist on selling even now.

Edited November 18, 2008 by animatic

[Koo82]

Don't tell me that 3 of you got all these info from reading Bangkok Post and The Nation.

[animatic]

Don't tell me that 3 of you got all these info from reading Bangkok Post and The Nation.

Then I won't,

they were two of many sources.

I will note there was a DEFINITE change in Bangkok Post Coverage

AFTER Thaksin was out.

What was stiffled finally was said openly.

Things before hinted were now stated.

I had read BOTH newspapers daily when I first got here,

and asked questions trying to find out WHY were they EACH so different.

Same story but radically different coverage.

The answers I found, if didn't like.

And those were the 1st chinks in Teflon Thaksin's armour with me.

He had bashed the Bangkok Post into submission editorialy and in reporting.

It helped to have 4-5 friends with 20 plus years here answering questions.

Some who speak very fluent Thai and communicate easily with all.

Who had seen the before and the after, the crash, multiple coups

and the rise of Taksin.

It helped to read the very words of Dr. T. in international press.

He has often been his own worst enemy, and never realized it...

It helped to be willing to just start talking to various Thai people of all sorts,

with acceptable english skills and a desire to let me know about their land,

because I was interested. I'd ask a question or state what I thought

and get a response. All distilled down by my own observation and analytical skills

from living on 2 other continents in other cultures. And comparing with parallels from history.

[Plus]

Koo,

I understand you feel that Thaksin is treated unfairly. However, it's his turn to stand up and face his own punishment like a man, not hide behind your skirt.

Instead he behaves like a cheating, lying weasel.

Just two weeks ago he bragged in front of all those red-shirted people how he is respected by a "mature democracy" in the UK, how he is wanted in Bahamas and Bermudas, how African countries want him to reduce poverty.

All lies.

All made up to impress girls like you, and it worked. You want to spend your life being used by a scoundrel like him - your choice. Maybe you deserve something better, maybe not.

We, and the rest of the country, are moving along anyway. You wanna stay - stay.

[Koo82]

What is it about the people's land you talked about? This can lead to a very interesting topic.

[Koo82]

Plus,

Why do you hate him that much? Did he do anything to harm you or your business?

[Plus]

I don't hate him, I'm rather indifferent.

He just screws up his own life. I only watch.

Human nature - he is an excellent case study.

[Koo82]

You don't only watch. You post everyday how bad he is.

There must be a reason.

[JacknDanny]

You don't only watch. You post everyday how bad he is.

There must be a reason.

Koo82,

Either you are a wind up merchant or a misguided naive young girl.

I am a farang who has absolutely no say so in how this country is run, unlike you. Therefore I refuse to comment on some of the ridiculous statements you make, except to say that there are many things that are common knowledge, which cannot be proved.

What I suggest you do is to PM Stevemerognino(sp), a fellow Thai, and get him to answer some of your questions. You wont like the answers, but maybe it will enlighten you a little bit.

[jdinasia]

You don't only watch. You post everyday how bad he is.

There must be a reason.

Koo82,

Either you are a wind up merchant or a misguided naive young girl.

I am a farang who has absolutely no say so in how this country is run, unlike you. Therefore I refuse to comment on some of the ridiculous statements you make, except to say that there are many things that are common knowledge, which cannot be proved.

What I suggest you do is to PM Stevemerognino(sp), a fellow Thai, and get him to answer some of your questions. You wont like the answers, but maybe it will enlighten you a little bit.

I think you might be making some incorrect assumptions

[AlexLah]

Normally I do not reply in here but I have a simple question.

Quote:

As for his future plans, “Thaksin has insisted he has no interest in returning to politics and has said he plans to devote himself to charity work, sports and his family,

Sports yes we have seen.

Family, He just divorced.

Charity, ?

Work, Yes he announced to be back in politic's

What has Thaksin done for charity for the people of Thailand that are in need after he was kicked out?

[animatic]

While in office Thaksin had the ablity to cement the love of most people, top to bottom,

by directing a large portion of his HUGE Temasek profits that COULD have been considered taxes,

into some specific and very needed charity work. He chose to fight for every last sontag.

He could have put modern school books into the hands of EVERY schoolchild on the country...

He did not, he kept the money,

until it was frozen and is being held pending his multiple malfeasance cases.

He directed the governments money into programs up north,

but this was NOT HIS MONEY. Much of that money went to

locking in his control network, and some trickled down to the common people

enough for them to feel it was a largese. And they were SPECIFICALLY told

this small amount was by grace of Mr. Thaksin. It was stratagy, not nam jai...

This was never noblese oblige, but using the peoples money to further his interests.

While out of site of these same people, he did HUGE deals, p[rofiting even BIGGER than

those sums disbursed up north, and did his best to keep as much as possible for himself

and his company and some for his cronies to keep them in line and on message.

Koo, the thing most anti-Thaksin posters dislike most is being lied to over and over again,

and feeling relatively HELPLESS to stop him from robbing the Thai people of their

VERY hard earned money. That is how many of us see it. Some don't of course.

Many saw him ROBBING you and your family Koo, and we are objecting to that!

Not by going into your home, but going into your hearts and then into you

country's bank accounts for HIS OWN ENDS. He took your fathers taxes

and played with them to make himself money, and played with them to

convince you THIS was helping you. In the west we call this a conjob.

Make people believe one thing, so you can do another behind their backs.

Ever have a boy tell you this and tell that; tells you that, oh he loves sooo much, forever,

just to get in your skirts, and after he does, off to the next girl?

Or he keeps you stringing along, makes you love him, plays with your heart,

but plays around whe you're at worktoo, and takes your cash etc...

and gets you cheap trinkets, while buying himself big things...?

Eventually you get wise, after a good long cry, and it's harder to fool you...

Same sort of guy, but different scale.

Young, impressionable and naive is ok up to a point. But sometimes the

rose colored glass must come off, and the harsh light of day let in.

Put them back on later, a wiser and more fulfilled person.

Not sure if SteveM is Thai, I think not, but he IS very informed

and has MANY years here. I'll wager that he knows a lot more than he says

and that's more than most of us...

Edited November 18, 2008 by animatic

[sriracha john]

You don't only watch. You post everyday how bad he is.

There must be a reason.

Koo82,

Either you are a wind up merchant or a misguided naive young girl.

I think you might be making some incorrect assumptions

we surely have entered into the realm of sunrise07 and/or The Gentleman Scamp territory....

[Plus]

You don't only watch. You post everyday how bad he is.

There must be a reason.

You are taking it far more personally than me, Koo.

[sriracha john]

Ratchadapisek land case finalised

The conviction of Thaksin Shinawatra on the Ratchadapisek land case in October is finalised after the fugitive ex-premier has decided not to appeal his guilty verdict for conflict of interest, Chief Prosecutor Seksan Bangsomboon said on Wednesday.

Today is the deadline for Thaksin to file for an appellate review.

Seksan said the next step is for authorities to enforce the court-issued warrant of arrest in order to bring back Thaksin to serve his two-year jail term.

At this juncture, a team of public prosecutors will try to determine Thaksin's whereabouts in order to initiate the extradition process, he said.

The warrant has the statue of limitations for 10 years.

- The Nation / 2008-11-19

[Koo82]

You don't only watch. You post everyday how bad he is.

There must be a reason.

You are taking it far more personally than me, Koo.

There must be good reasons why some people sit night and day to post how bad he is. I know many people are bad but I don't spend such amount of time on forums to say it out.

[Artisi]

You don't only watch. You post everyday how bad he is.

There must be a reason.

You are taking it far more personally than me, Koo.

There must be good reasons why some people sit night and day to post how bad he is. ------------

Koo82

Correct - there is a good reason and if you took the time to read a few of the recent posts put-up mainly for your benefit you will see / understand the reason why.

[animatic]

So it would seem.

He realized he had no grounds to contest, so why bother.

The only contest he wants now is for power of control.

Wasn't Panlop's little fireside chat on the links,

enough to convince him to cash in his chips?

Take it on a chin like a man and move on?

Oh, yeah Winners' type D people NEVER QUIT.

You will have to pry power from my cold dead hands!!

I am THE LEADER, why won't you LISTEN to ME!!

[JetsetBkk]

Ratchadapisek land case finalised

The conviction of Thaksin Shinawatra on the Ratchadapisek land case in October is finalised after the fugitive ex-premier has decided not to appeal his guilty verdict for conflict of interest, Chief Prosecutor Seksan Bangsomboon said on Wednesday.

Today is the deadline for Thaksin to file for an appellate review.

Seksan said the next step is for authorities to enforce the court-issued warrant of arrest in order to bring back Thaksin to serve his two-year jail term.

At this juncture, a team of public prosecutors will try to determine Thaksin's whereabouts in order to initiate the extradition process, he said.

The warrant has the statue of limitations for 10 years.

- The Nation / 2008-11-19

Is that like a small Statue of Liberty?

[Koo82]

Many saw him ROBBING you and your family Koo, and we are objecting to that!

Not by going into your home, but going into your hearts and then into you

country's bank accounts for HIS OWN ENDS. He took your fathers taxes

and played with them to make himself money, and played with them to

convince you THIS was helping you. In the west we call this a conjob.

Make people believe one thing, so you can do another behind their backs.

This is not true. He did make us pay a lot of tax in order to clear IMF loan. Our family did not like him for that. But after he has gone, we realized that he is the most suitable for the PM position.

I can see how some people feel about his wife's tax invasion? Ask yourself. If you run a business, are you that naive to submit the full tax amount? Don't you find ways (collecting VAT invoices maybe) to reduce that tax you have to pay?

What did you mean by saying "going into your hearts"?

[Plus]

There must be good reasons why some people sit night and day to post how bad he is.

Koo, haven't you noticed that you are practically the only member here who argues that Thaksin is good?

If you weren't so cute in your misguided belief I wouldn't even bother replying to with you.

[Insight]

Many saw him ROBBING you and your family Koo, and we are objecting to that!

Not by going into your home, but going into your hearts and then into you

country's bank accounts for HIS OWN ENDS. He took your fathers taxes

and played with them to make himself money, and played with them to

convince you THIS was helping you. In the west we call this a conjob.

Make people believe one thing, so you can do another behind their backs.

This is not true. He did make us pay a lot of tax in order to clear IMF loan. Our family did not like him for that. But after he has gone, we realized that he is the most suitable for the PM position.

I can see how some people feel about his wife's tax invasion? Ask yourself. If you run a business, are you that naive to submit the full tax amount? Don't you find ways (collecting VAT invoices maybe) to reduce that tax you have to pay?

What did you mean by saying "going into your hearts"?

Naive? Brilliant! So the judges should of been praising ol' Tax and Pokemon for their genius ability to fiddle the system?

Thanks for the comment - always interesting to hear the viewpoint of your average Taxin supporter.

[Koo82]

There must be good reasons why some people sit night and day to post how bad he is.

Koo, haven't you noticed that you are practically the only member here who argues that Thaksin is good?

If you weren't so cute in your misguided belief I wouldn't even bother replying to with you.

I'm surprised what makes you think he is not good.

I must have my say when there is a group of people bashing him daily over nothing.

[Plus]

I must have my say when there is a group of people bashing him daily over nothing.

Don't stop, Koo, don't stop.

[hammered]

There must be good reasons why some people sit night and day to post how bad he is.

Koo, haven't you noticed that you are practically the only member here who argues that Thaksin is good?

If you weren't so cute in your misguided belief I wouldn't even bother replying to with you.

I'm surprised what makes you think he is not good.

I must have my say when there is a group of people bashing him daily over nothing.

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have a few reports on him that are kinda critical and relate to what was called the drug war. You may wish to read some of these if you want to be aware of criticism of Thaksin that has never been refuted.

[younghusband]

There must be good reasons why some people sit night and day to post how bad he is.

Koo, haven't you noticed that you are practically the only member here who argues that Thaksin is good?

If you weren't so cute in your misguided belief I wouldn't even bother replying to with you.

There are few who would argue that Thaksin is other than deeply flawed.At the same time he has been the most accomplished politician in Thailand for at least fifty years, and his legacy contains positive as well as negative features.It's a legitimate debate to argue where the balance lies.He was however the catalyst for the politicisation of the Thai majority, and regardless of his personal fate his influence remains enormous.That's why the feudal elite together with their military and corporate acolytes still fear him.

None of the above is new, and I only repeat it to make the point that those who see Thaksin as some kind of secular saint are no more naive and preposterous than those who regard him as the devil incarnate, ie without any redeeming features.Some on this forum are apparently content to live in a cartoon world devoid of shade and nuance:that's their privilege but it's not real life.

[Koo82]

Naive? Brilliant! So the judges should of been praising ol' Tax and Pokemon for their genius ability to fiddle the system?

Thanks for the comment - always interesting to hear the viewpoint of your average Taxin supporter.

Some people work night and day to knock someone they hate for such funny tiny reasons: signing the paper to ok for wife to buy land (what was the damage done to Thailand?), cooking on tv as an employee (in fact he was not an employee), etc.

Don't they have better things to do for Thailand?

What concerned with Democrat Party is in hold.

[Insight]

Naive? Brilliant! So the judges should of been praising ol' Tax and Pokemon for their genius ability to fiddle the system?

Thanks for the comment - always interesting to hear the viewpoint of your average Taxin supporter.

Some people work night and day to knock someone they hate for such funny tiny reasons: signing the paper to ok for wife to buy land (what was the damage done to Thailand?), cooking on tv as an employee (in fact he was not an employee), etc.

Don't they have better things to do for Thailand?

What concerned with Democrat Party is in hold.

Seriously, you're trolling now.

[Koo82]

Who don't agree with you aka on Khun Thaksin's side are accused of trolling.

Who post daily how bad Khun Thaksin is are applauded.