Jingthing Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 ASYLUM SETBACK UK cancels visas of Thaksin, wife The British Embassy has revoked entry visas of ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife Pojaman. The cancellation, which was decided while the couple were outside England, has been notified to airlines yesterday. The decision was made by the United Kingdom Border Agency, and the notification email was signed by Bangkok-based Immigration Liaison Manager Andy Gray. The email read: "Dear All, The United Kingdom Border Agency has revoked the UK visas held by the following Thai nations: Thaksin Shinawatra. Thai Passport Number D215863 Potjaman Shinawatra. Thai Passport Number D206635 The UK visas contained in the passports of the individuals listed above are no longer valid for travel. Airlines are advised not to carry these passengers to the UK" *** end ***** The embassy would not comment on the report. Contacted embassy officials said they "cannot comment on policy matters." It was a big political blow for Thaksin, who was believed to be on his way from China to the Philippines yesterday. It was understood that the cancellation had to do with the recent court rulings that found Pojaman guilty of tax evasion and Thaksin guilty of breaking the conflict of interest law in the Ratchadapisek land purchase scandal. Their children's British visas are still valid. A senior People Power Party politician who has been in China this week answered The Nation's phone contact but replied to the inquiry about Thaksin's visa situation with only "I don't know. I don't know." Thaksin has always described England as a "democratically mature" country as compared to Thailand. But he always denied having applied for asylum although he said England would be the country where he wanted to live in exile. Last Saturday, in a controversial long-distance phone-in from Hong Kong, Thaksin accused his political opponents of breaking his family apart. In the same address, he also begged for royal pardon or a popular show of force to bring him back to Thailand. "Nobody can bring me back to Thailand, except royal kindness of HM the King or the power of the people," Thaksin said. He also claimed that many countries have offered him "honorary citizenship", "which made me a bit sad because I could do many things for anybody else in the world, but nothing now for my country." The statement triggered a major controversy in Thailand, with Thaksin being accused of trying to drag HM the King into politics. The UK visa move, however, gave Thaksin's statement a whole new perspective, making him sound more like someone desperate to find refuge rather than trying to provoke a political reaction. It is not immediately known, however, whether Thaksin was aware of the impending visa cancellation before he left England the last time. A source familiar with the UK legal and diplomatic thinking said the cancellation could have been based on "the different statuses" of Thaksin between the time he was issued the visa and now. The Supreme Court only found Thaksin guilty in the Ratchadapisek land case late last month, weeks after he fled Thailand during the Beijing Olympics. He fled with his wife, who only days earlier had been found guilty of tax evasion. England has been under the world community's watchful eyes when Thaksin is concerned. Diplomatic observers have said a decision whether or not to give Thaksin asylum would generate strong ramifications on England's relations with Thailand, as well as London's reputations when democracy, foreign relations and legal principles are concerned. -- The Nation 2008-11-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tijnebijn Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Its new for me , that Thaksin and his wife are Thai nations .....instead of nationals ..... Think its a poor written article , but is it true ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKAsok Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Woohoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Sweet! Whoa. That's gonna leave a mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I wonder where he's going to end up living? Belize is nice and a passport from there is pretty easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 A quick Google does not reveal any UK media sources which corroborate this story. I guess we'll know tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjke Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I guess he might be back in thailand sooner then expected,and without a royal pardon or the power from the people like he said in speech a few days ago. If GB refuses him entry then other country's might follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKAsok Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 There's a copy of the actual (purported) e-mail here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanky Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Wow. Time to face the music I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaethon Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 There's a copy of the actual (purported) e-mail here. That appears to be the oldest source ofthis, and guess what... it's the PAD website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjke Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Hopefully he took his atm card with him when leaving home or his internet banking login. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKAsok Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 There's a copy of the actual (purported) e-mail here. That appears to be the oldest source ofthis, and guess what... it's the PAD website. From what I can see right now (I may be wrong) they got it from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman2 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Surely if they take away his visa he will apply to be a political asylum seeker, with all the human rights we have here and in the EU, he isnt going to jail in LOS anytime soon unless he volunteers to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginexile Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 There's a copy of the actual (purported) e-mail here. Their visa's have not been revoked. Just more lies from the fazist PAD thugs. Desperate moves by desperate people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjke Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Surely if they take away his visa he will apply to be a political asylum seeker, with all the human rights we have here and in the EU, he isnt going to jail in LOS anytime soon unless he volunteers to. That was garry glitter's thought also.But living in an airport isn't quite easy. I also assume if GB cancels his visa that they make it clear already what the answer will be on an asylum request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) This is a weird story. Do you think it might be fabricated? Edited November 7, 2008 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinrada Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Worth thing about... Given the deep divisions in Thailand over Thaksin's legacy, keeping him out of the country could actually prove beneficial. His presence back in Thailand - in prison or not - could actually stir things up more than either his supporters, or his detractors, want...so even ./and ..If the UK decided to extradite Thaksin, a challenge could then be launched at the European Court of Human Rights. This would prolong the whole process by many months and cases generally take about five years to reach the court. so to start the process ...heres the score.... Extradition Act 2003 2003 CHAPTER 41 CONTENTS UK Extradition Act,,,,starts here......Page 1 of 18 Go to Preamble Part 1 Extradition to category 1 territories Introduction 1. Extradition to category 1 territories 2. Part 1 warrant and certificate Arrest 3. Arrest under certified Part 1 warrant 4. Person arrested under Part 1 warrant 5. Provisional arrest 6. Person arrested under section 5 The initial hearing 7. Identity of person arrested 8. Remand etc. The extradition hearing 9. Judge’s powers at extradition hearing 10. Initial stage of extradition hearing 11. Bars to extradition 12. Rule against double jeopardy 13. Extraneous considerations 14. Passage of time 15. Age 16. Hostage-taking considerations 17. Speciality 18. Earlier extradition to United Kingdom from category 1 territory 19. Earlier extradition to United Kingdom from non-category 1 territory 20. Case where person has been convicted 21. Human rights Matters arising before end of extradition hearing 22. Person charged with offence in United Kingdom 23. Person serving sentence in United Kingdom 24. Extradition request 25. Physical or mental condition Appeals 26. Appeal against extradition order 27. Court’s powers on appeal under section 26 28. Appeal against discharge at extradition hearing 29. Court’s powers on appeal under section 28 30. Detention pending conclusion of appeal under section 28 31. Appeal to High Court: time limit for start of hearing 32. Appeal to House of Lords 33. Powers of House of Lords on appeal under section 32 34. Appeals: general Time for extradition 35. Extradition where no appeal 36. Extradition following appeal 37. Undertaking in relation to person serving sentence in United Kingdom 38. Extradition following deferral for competing claim 39. Asylum claim 40. Certificate in respect of asylum claimant Withdrawal of Part 1 warrant 41. Withdrawal of warrant before extradition 42. Withdrawal of warrant while appeal to High Court pending 43. Withdrawal of warrant while appeal to House of Lords pending Competing Part 1 warrants 44. Competing Part 1 warrants Consent to extradition 45. Consent to extradition 46. Extradition order following consent 47. Extradition to category 1 territory following consent 48. Other warrant issued following consent 49. Other warrant issued: extradition to category 1 territory 50. Other warrant issued: proceedings deferred 51. Extradition request following consent 52. Undertaking in relation to person serving sentence 53. Extradition following deferral for competing claim Post-extradition matters 54. Request for consent to other offence being dealt with 55. Questions for decision at consent hearing 56. Request for consent to further extradition to category 1 territory 57. Questions for decision at consent hearing 58. Consent to further extradition to category 2 territory 59. Return of person to serve remainder of sentence Costs 60. Costs where extradition ordered 61. Costs where discharge ordered 62. Costs where discharge ordered: supplementary Repatriation cases 63. Persons serving sentences outside territory where convicted Interpretation 64. Extradition offences: person not sentenced for offence 65. Extradition offences: person sentenced for offence 66. Extradition offences: supplementary 67. The appropriate judge 68. The extradition hearing Part 2 Extradition to category 2 territories Introduction 69. Extradition to category 2 territories 70. Extradition request and certificate Arrest 71. Arrest warrant following extradition request 72. Person arrested under section 71 73. Provisional warrant 74. Person arrested under provisional warrant The extradition hearing 75. Date of extradition hearing: arrest under section 71 76. Date of extradition hearing: arrest under provisional warrant 77. Judge’s powers at extradition hearing 78. Initial stages of extradition hearing 79. Bars to extradition 80. Rule against double jeopardy 81. Extraneous considerations 82. Passage of time 83. Hostage-taking considerations 84. Case where person has not been convicted 85. Case where person has been convicted 86. Conviction in person’s absence 87. Human rights 88. Person charged with offence in United Kingdom 89. Person serving sentence in United Kingdom 90. Competing extradition claim 91. Physical or mental condition 92. Case sent to Secretary of State Secretary of State’s functions 93. Secretary of State’s consideration of case 94. Death penalty 95. Speciality 96. Earlier extradition to United Kingdom from other territory 97. Deferral: person charged with offence in United Kingdom 98. Deferral: person serving sentence in United Kingdom 99. Time limit for order for extradition or discharge 100. Information 101. Making of order for extradition or discharge 102. The appropriate day Appeals 103. Appeal where case sent to Secretary of State 104. Court’s powers on appeal under section 103 105. Appeal against discharge at extradition hearing 106. Court’s powers on appeal under section 105 107. Detention pending conclusion of appeal under section 105 108. Appeal against extradition order 109. Court’s powers on appeal under section 108 110. Appeal against discharge by Secretary of State 111. Court’s powers on appeal under section 110 112. Detention pending conclusion of appeal under section 110 113. Appeal to High Court: time limit for start of hearing 114. Appeal to House of Lords 115. Powers of House of Lords on appeal under section 114 116. Appeals: general Time for extradition 117. Extradition where no appeal 118. Extradition following appeal 119. Undertaking in relation to person serving sentence in United Kingdom 120. Extradition following deferral for competing claim 121. Asylum claim Withdrawal of extradition request 122. Withdrawal of request before end of extradition hearing 123. Withdrawal of request after case sent to Secretary of State 124. Withdrawal of request while appeal to High Court pending 125. Withdrawal of request while appeal to House of Lords pending Competing extradition requests 126. Competing extradition requests Consent to extradition 127. Consent to extradition: general 128. Consent to extradition before case sent to Secretary of State Post-extradition matters 129. Consent to other offence being dealt with 130. Consent to further extradition to category 2 territory 131. Consent to further extradition to category 1 territory 132. Return of person to serve remainder of sentence Costs 133. Costs where extradition ordered 134. Costs where discharge ordered 135. Costs where discharge ordered: supplementary Repatriation cases 136. Persons serving sentences outside territory where convicted Interpretation 137. Extradition offences: person not sentenced for offence 138. Extradition offences: person sentenced for offence 139. The appropriate judge 140. The extradition hearing 141. Scotland: references to Secretary of State Part 3 Extradition to the United Kingdom Extradition from category 1 territories 142. Issue of Part 3 warrant 143. Undertaking in relation to person serving sentence 144. Return to extraditing territory to serve sentence 145. Service of sentence in territory executing Part 3 warrant 146. Dealing with person for other offences 147. Effect of consent to extradition to the United Kingdom 148. Extradition offences 149. The appropriate judge Extradition from category 2 territories 150. Dealing with person for other offences: Commonwealth countries etc. 151. Dealing with person for other offences: other category 2 territories General 152. Remission of punishment for other offences 153. Return of person acquitted or not tried 154. Restriction on bail where undertaking given by Secretary of State 155. Service personnel Part 4 Police powers Warrants and orders 156. Search and seizure warrants 157. Production orders 158. Requirements for making of production order 159. Computer information 160. Warrants: special procedure material and excluded material Search and seizure without warrant 161. Entry and search of premises for purposes of arrest 162. Entry and search of premises on arrest 163. Search of person on arrest 164. Entry and search of premises after arrest 165. Additional seizure powers Treatment following arrest 166. Fingerprints and samples 167. Searches and examination 168. Photographs 169. Evidence of identity: England and Wales 170. Evidence of identity: Northern Ireland 171. Other treatment and rights Delivery of seized property 172. Delivery of seized property Codes of practice 173. Codes of practice General 174. Interpretation 175. Customs officers 176. Service policemen Part 5 Miscellaneous and general British overseas territories 177. Extradition from British overseas territories 178. Extradition to British overseas territories Competing extradition claims 179. Competing claims to extradition 180. Proceedings on deferred warrant or request 181. Proceedings where extradition deferred Legal aid 182. Legal advice, assistance and representation: England and Wales 183. Legal aid: Scotland 184. Grant of free legal aid: Northern Ireland 185. Free legal aid: supplementary Re-extradition 186. Re-extradition: preliminary 187. Re-extradition hearing 188. Re-extradition to category 1 territories 189. Re-extradition to category 2 territories Conduct of extradition proceedings 190. Crown Prosecution Service: role in extradition proceedings 191. Lord Advocate: role in extradition proceedings 192. Northern Ireland DPP and Crown Solicitor: role in extradition proceedings Parties to international Conventions 193. Parties to international Conventions Special extradition arrangements 194. Special extradition arrangements Human rights 195. Human rights: appropriate tribunal Genocide etc 196. Genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes Custody and bail 197. Custody 198. Bail: England and Wales 199. Bail: Scotland 200. Appeal against grant of bail 201. Remand to local authority accommodation Evidence 202. Receivable documents 203. Documents sent by facsimile 204. Part 1 warrant: transmission by other electronic means 205. Written statements and admissions 206. Burden and standard of proof Other miscellaneous provisions 207. Extradition for more than one offence 208. National security 209. Reasonable force 210. Rules of court 211. Service of notices 212. Article 95 alerts: transitional provision Interpretation 213. Disposal of Part 1 warrant and extradition request 214. Disposal of charge 215. European framework list 216. Other interpretative provisions General 217. Form of documents 218. Existing legislation on extradition 219. Amendments 220. Repeals 221. Commencement 222. Channel Islands and Isle of Man 223. Orders and regulations 224. Orders in Council 225. Finance 226. Extent 227. Short title Schedule 1 Re-extradition: modifications Part 1 Category 1 territories Part 2 Category 2 territories Schedule 2 European framework list Schedule 3 Amendments Schedule 4 Repeals An Act to make provision about extradition. [20th November 2003] Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:— another 18 pages..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Thanks for a long post about nothing ... well at least nothing if the title of this thread is correct. Extradition FROM the UK isn't an issue for someone that CAN'T ENTER the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinrada Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Thanks for a long post about nothing ... well at least nothing if the title of this thread is correct. Extradition FROM the UK isn't an issue for someone that CAN'T ENTER the UK Case of 'erse about tits' ...scunnered even...yes...O...Hum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 This is a weird story. Do you think it might be fabricated? Most likely fabricated. I did a search: http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-relea...s#searchResults Very odd The Nation publish this without double checking the ''news''. LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclub75 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 This is a weird story. Do you think it might be fabricated? Most likely fabricated. I did a search: http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-relea...s#searchResults Very odd The Nation publish this without double checking the ''news''. LaoPo It sounds strange indeed. The point is : on what ground the british gvt would revoke their visas ???? !!!! And they did apply for political asylum, right ? During the processs, UK can't throw out people like that. And Thailand has absolutly no leverage against the british gvt to do it... so ? Strange, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 ASTV: British Embassy Revokes Thaksin's Visa PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul announces on PAD stage that the U.K. embassy has revoked the visas of both Thaksin and Khunying Pojaman Shinawatra. The PAD leader cited a Manager newspaper's report that the embassy has revoked both fugitives' visas. The order reportedly takes effect today. TOC / 2008-11-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 ASTV: British Embassy Revokes Thaksin's VisaPAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul announces on PAD stage that the U.K. embassy has revoked the visas of both Thaksin and Khunying Pojaman Shinawatra. The PAD leader cited a Manager newspaper's report that the embassy has revoked both fugitives' visas. The order reportedly takes effect today. TOC / 2008-11-08 Interesting that PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul knows more than the BBC and even the UK's Home office - Press Office. And, isn't ASTV/ and "a Manager newspaper" related to Sondhi ? LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shah Jahan Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Well if this is real - then the UK is very smart to want get involved in a bunch of messy Thai politics. They probably had enough when he started using UK as his staging ground (phone in) for his personal propaganda - which didnt really match up with the asylum card he was trying to play if it is a hoax then this is some good piece of magic someone pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaethon Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 When I looked Google had added the PAD page 6hours previously. The first two 'references' had time-stamps after the time the PAD page was picked up by Google, i.e. they were added later. The third ref. was not time stamped but had been indexed by Google some three hours after the PAD page. Not conclusive, but suspicious. Andy Gray is indeed employed at the British Embassy in Bangkok but his title is Second Secretary (Airline Liaison Officer) not quite Immigration Liaison Manager, suspicious but again not conclusive. Not sure why they would have bothered issuing this given that Thaksin is in London already. If he has applied for asylum he can't be thrown out straight away, but this could prevent him returning if he takes a short trip out of the country and save the Government some embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizz Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 information passed on to [email protected] for verification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/tops...s.php?id=131892 Stranded in China By Amornrat Mahitthirook, Nattaya Chetchotiros and Wassana Nanuam The British government has revoked the tourist visas for convicted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife, Khunying Potjaman, airline employees report. The former premier is believed to be in China. The revocation of the visas effectively bans the couple from entering Britain on their Thai passports, a reliable airline source told the Bangkok Post on Friday night. The source said the notification letter on the visas being revoked was circulated by e-mail to airlines which are members of the Airport Operations Committee yesterday. The source said the letter was sent by Andy Gray, an official at the UK Border Agency who is in charge of immigration at the British embassy in Thailand. The letter made clear that the visas issued for Thaksin and Khunying Potjaman were now invalid and the couple should be prevented from boarding planes to Britain, the source said. Edited November 7, 2008 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 When I looked Google had added the PAD page 6hours previously. The first two 'references' had time-stamps after the time the PAD page was picked up by Google, i.e. they were added later. The third ref. was not time stamped but had been indexed by Google some three hours after the PAD page. Not conclusive, but suspicious.Andy Gray is indeed employed at the British Embassy in Bangkok but his title is Second Secretary (Airline Liaison Officer) not quite Immigration Liaison Manager, suspicious but again not conclusive. Not sure why they would have bothered issuing this given that Thaksin is in London already. If he has applied for asylum he can't be thrown out straight away, but this could prevent him returning if he takes a short trip out of the country and save the Government some embarrassment. Thaksin is not in London (or anywhere in the UK) .... last I heard he was in China and planning on a weekend meeting with PPP MP's in the Philipines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 This is a weird story. Do you think it might be fabricated? Most likely fabricated. I did a search: http://press.homeoffice.gov.uk/press-relea...s#searchResults Very odd The Nation publish this without double checking the ''news''. LaoPo It sounds strange indeed. The point is : on what ground the british gvt would revoke their visas ???? !!!! And they did apply for political asylum, right ? During the processs, UK can't throw out people like that. And Thailand has absolutly no leverage against the british gvt to do it... so ? Strange, really. Thaksin says he did NOT apply for asylum (can you do that and still bounce around the world?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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