Thaksin Supporters To Rally During Two-day Parliament Meeting

[jbowman1993]

What we need is more "Mindless (i think you meant to say)" applause for the fact that we now have a halfway smart person in the PM position, who is not facing jail time (i.e. convicted felons Samak and Thakin) or indictments for past and present misdeeds (Somchai). The TV red shirts have yet to propose their better alternative that would be palatable to the majority of the MPs....Charlerm, Sanoh, Chaiya, Pracha, or how about Jakracrap, Noppadon't, or Pokemon? This is why they lost. None of those bozos could carry Abhisit's intellectual jock strap, and all as corrupt as the day is long.

This loss will probably be the best thing that could have happened for Puea Thai, in all seriousness. They'll have to learn how to act properly in an opposition role, perhaps bring in some fresh faces with new ideas to revitalize their image (which they'll need when Thaksin's money dries up). Then maybe we'll have a couple of decent political parties who can serve as each others foil.

[jdinasia]

gravel -- to throw out inane comments that are just plain wrong and show no clear understanding of either Thai politics or even politics outside of the few countries that practice democracy the same way that level comes from does not make for debate.

The same can be said about those that pretend to be moderate but are in reality Thaksinistas wanting to see violence or those that pretend to be Thai and are not. It doesn't help debate .. it just muddies the water.

[Journalist]

Abhisit's intellectual jock strap

I propose a Thaivisa branded 'intellectual jock strap' printed with useful phrases translated into Thai....

"Not my fault"

"Let me through, I am an English teacher"

"When does happy hour finish?"

"I can't afford a Starbucks, lets go to 7-11"

[aromsia]

I wonder if many were here and remember 1997.

Yes..well I wonder how many were here and remember 1973. Do you what happened then? Democracy was also stolen from the masses. They rebelled...not just red t-shirt types, but hundreds AND hundreds AND hundreds of thousands of people (500,000) - young and old - teachers, peasants, students, union workers -- all to say - NO. We will choose who leads us . It ended with the right-wing massacre of 1976.

This terrifies the 3 or 4 thousand wealthy families who may feel threatened enough to move their trigger fingers again. Why haven't more people figured out the present circumstances by now? My God. It's 'party time'.

Edited December 30, 2008 by aromsia

[Thai at Heart]

I wonder if many were here and remember 1997.

Yes..well I wonder how many were here and remember 1973. Do you what happened then? Democracy was also stolen from the masses. They rebelled...not just red t-shirt types, but hundreds AND hundreds AND hundreds of thousands of people (500,000) - young and old - teachers, peasants, students, union workers -- all to say - NO. We will choose who leads us . It ended with the right-wing massacre of 1976.

This terrifies the 3 or 4 thousand wealthy families who may feel threatened enough to move their trigger fingers again. Why haven't more people figured out the present circumstances by now? My God. It's 'party time'.

Aromasia, I can't help but think that this is a distinct possibility. The way that people around me are talking about major institutions has changed markedly in the last year. There is real private debate and discussion going on that wasn't happening 3 or 4 years ago. There is no precedent in history for what is occurring now and will occur in the next couple of years in Thailand.

Relying on peoples naivety is not a solution. The Democrats have to stump up some very real and very successful solutions very quickly.

Inevitably a change is coming and to claim that any problem associated with it is an impossibility is to bury one's head in the sand.

The country has gone through 3 PM's in less than 6 months and the rural communities have a feeling of empowerment like never before. Anything is possible, and it is an amazingly delicate situation. Fortunately, the feeling is that people want to give the Dems a chance, but... can they deliver and unite the country.

[Shah Jahan]

I am just going to end all the disucssions here so listen up because you wont often have someone tell you the facts straight

1) AMoung other things (including some good things too) Thaksin/TRT engaged in massive PRC/authoritative like movements. Things that a bad dictator does.

2) Because of this he has been deemed unacceptable. Point closed.

3) All other logic and arguments do not matter. He is not allowed no matter what the reason or logic. He will always be wrong and his oppisition will always be right despite any "facts" . Nothing else to say.

now sit down.

[permanent_disorder]

TaH --- the pics clearly showed why the postponement was held and hi-lighted what was said in the article regarding that exact past event. (not some other past event -- THAT past event!)

I love how you only pic up on the one, what about the other article in question with a picture from I believe around OCT that is used in an article posting SJ made today? That was some other past event was it not?

UDD protesters on a previous occasion

UDD dares PM to enter parliament

United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) key member Nattawut Saikua said the UDD demonstrators are ready to allow Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and MPs from the coalition government to enter the parliament building to deliver the government policy. According to former Government Spokesman Nattawut, Mr Abhisit claimed he is the PM for every Thai people no matter which side they are on and one of his tasks is to resolve conflicts in the society. Therefore, Nattawut urged the premier to walk into the parliament amid the crowd of anti-government protesters.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...nter-parliament

because my name was mentioned for doing similar in october. below is my post from october, appeared in the "Chamlong got arrested thread" in connection with a subdiscussion if the PAD guards are paid ex-military or not.

i just posted a quote by sondhi saying exactly that and using a so called "file photo" of sondi to have some illustration, just a typical pic of sondhi. some people didn't got it, that this was just a so called "file photo" and i got accused of bringing 'false evidence'.

dreaming?, drunk?, living in a parallel world? where are the proves for the paid ex-military. Where are the guns (don't come with the NBT nonsense). Where are independent media? For the PAID government supporters....search internet, read, you find nice speeches (we pay 10.000 Baht for a dead PAD.....)

You are neither thinking nor opening your eyes. As I don't think that you are silly I think you have other reasons to post such obvious nonsense.

Sondhi: the personal security gets paid because they are the ex-policemen and ex-military. They are professionals.

(source: Asia Times Online)

and yes in other cases i am also guilty of reposting photos of the yellow lynch mob in action when they violent attacked and beat with with sticks and clubs red shirt people lying already on the ground . that was my answer and reacation when somebody from the PAD apologist team came up with their fantasies of the PAD as ghandi style movement of peaceful protestors. and despite clear evidence and previous discussion that the PAD is NOT peaceful, the usual suspects came up with that lie again and again and sometimes i thought it's good to refresh their memory with that pics that shows the opposite.

that the machete guy could be also a staged fake show got already discussed in september. it looks more like paid actors gave show early in the morning for press photographers to have some propaganda against the reds and used it as excuse for the lynch mob action by the yellow guards in the night before.

in that old thread SRJ also made the false claim it is a pic from reuters, what is not true.

[mrtoad]

A picture says a thousand words.

Yep, they can't even make a proper sentence.

Good point, if they are too stupid to be allowed to vote how can they make a coherent sentence in a foreign language?

Yeah, you are a real tool if you can't get that joke.

[baht&sold]

Pity... Thailand is moving on yet dinosaurs protect and defend a return to same-same out of pure fear of going forward (for fear of being left behind?)

Chok dee with that whole smear and fear thing...(worked for Bush for several years afterall) but the tar-pits await.

[sriracha john]

TaH --- the pics clearly showed why the postponement was held and hi-lighted what was said in the article regarding that exact past event. (not some other past event -- THAT past event!)

I love how you only pic up on the one, what about the other article in question with a picture from I believe around OCT that is used in an article posting SJ made today? That was some other past event was it not?

UDD protesters on a previous occasion

UDD dares PM to enter parliament

United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) key member Nattawut Saikua said the UDD demonstrators are ready to allow Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and MPs from the coalition government to enter the parliament building to deliver the government policy. According to former Government Spokesman Nattawut, Mr Abhisit claimed he is the PM for every Thai people no matter which side they are on and one of his tasks is to resolve conflicts in the society. Therefore, Nattawut urged the premier to walk into the parliament amid the crowd of anti-government protesters.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...nter-parliament

because my name was mentioned for doing similar in october. below is my post from october, appeared in the "Chamlong got arrested thread" in connection with a subdiscussion if the PAD guards are paid ex-military or not.

i just posted a quote by sondhi saying exactly that and using a so called "file photo" of sondi to have some illustration, just a typical pic of sondhi. some people didn't got it, that this was just a so called "file photo" and i got accused of bringing 'false evidence'.

dreaming?, drunk?, living in a parallel world? where are the proves for the paid ex-military. Where are the guns (don't come with the NBT nonsense). Where are independent media? For the PAID government supporters....search internet, read, you find nice speeches (we pay 10.000 Baht for a dead PAD.....)

You are neither thinking nor opening your eyes. As I don't think that you are silly I think you have other reasons to post such obvious nonsense.

Sondhi: the personal security gets paid because they are the ex-policemen and ex-military. They are professionals.

(source: Asia Times Online)

and yes in other cases i am also guilty of reposting photos of the yellow lynch mob in action when they violent attacked and beat with with sticks and clubs red shirt people lying already on the ground . that was my answer and reacation when somebody from the PAD apologist team came up with their fantasies of the PAD as ghandi style movement of peaceful protestors. and despite clear evidence and previous discussion that the PAD is NOT peaceful, the usual suspects came up with that lie again and again and sometimes i thought it's good to refresh their memory with that pics that shows the opposite.

that the machete guy could be also a staged fake show got already discussed in september. it looks more like paid actors gave show early in the morning for press photographers to have some propaganda against the reds and used it as excuse for the lynch mob action by the yellow guards in the night before.

in that old thread SRJ also made the false claim it is a pic from reuters, what is not true.

and from later on in that thread.... yet conveniently omitted by the permanently disordered one....

You're right, it's not Reuters...

it's that OTHER organization that creates world turmoil through faked photos...

the one that Sondhi controls 100% of it's media resources...

the Associated Press.

With apologies to those that aren't permanently disordered themselves, in the rush I made an mistake of remembering it as Reuters. Sorry for my lapse in the rush, but at least it created some amusing posts for the conspiracy-minded.

Thai pro-government protestors wield a sling and a knife against anti-government demonstrators near the Government House, in Bangkok early morning Tuesday Sept 2, 2008. Thailand's prime minister declared a state of emergency in the capital Tuesday after street fighting overnight between opponents and supporters of the government left one man dead and dozens of people injured.

Associated Press

LINK:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/ph...ef2a5000e673c7/

Can we all go to sleep now, or did you need to get some more name-calling in, Permanent Disordered?

Seriously... get some help.

I see you still haven't received that recommended help yet, PD.... pity about that.

[sriracha john]

Looks like the ole red shirts have been outmaneuvered here. They wont get the violence they need. The policy statement will be made.

Abhisit has chosen a very clever and careful tact. Avoid confrontation and violence and appear utterly reasonable

How Abhist outfoxed red shirts

PM Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday won the first round of a cat-and-mouse game with anti-government protesters led by the UDD who had vowed not to let the new coalition government go ahead with its policy statement. He outfoxed the UDD by switching the venue at the last moment. Mr Abhisit opted for the venue change because the red-shirted protesters of the UDD continued to block access to parliament. As Mr Abhisit addressed the lawmakers, a small group of UDD protesters rushed from the original rally site outside the parliament compond to the Foreign Ministry and demanded the PM call a snap election.

PTP MPs decided to boycott the policy statement presentation upon learning about the change of venue, saying it was against House regulations. The policy statement presentation, broadcast live on state-run NBT television, was attended by 330 MPs, more than the required minimum of 291. Democrat MPs started gathering at the party headquarters around 6am. MPs from other coalition parties reportedly converged on the Chart Thai Pattana party headquarters, while about 80 Senators gathered at Supapraprue building in the Prachachuen area. The policy statement was due to be read at parliament from 9.30am but the UDD siege prevented lawmakers from entering the compound. Riot police inside the compound tried at least five times to push open one of the main gates to clear the way for the lawmakers to enter, but were forced back by the protesters. The government finally decided to switch the venue to the Foreign Ministry. Mr Abhisit's entourage arrived at the ministry before noon, and was soon joined by government MPs and Senators.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/8...-udd-protesters

[Ricardo]

Abhisit's intellectual jock strap

I propose a Thaivisa branded 'intellectual jock strap' printed with useful phrases translated into Thai....

"Not my fault"

"Let me through, I am an English teacher"

"When does happy hour finish?"

"I can't afford a Starbucks, lets go to 7-11"

"Don't shoot me ... I'm only looking for the Hong Nam"

"International-media journalist ... Please make allowances for me"

"Did they re-open Swampy yet ?"

"Secret Police volunteer ... Please give generously"

[sriracha john]

A picture says a thousand words.

*it certainly can, especially when it's paired with words like below*

PAD accuses UDD of insulting royal institution

People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) coordinator Suriyasai Katasila on Monday criticised the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) for having the image of Their Majesties the King and Queen together with the phrase 'privileged thieves' on the same protesting stage.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...yal-institution

UDD accused of lese majeste

A group opposing corruption based in Khon Kaen has filed a complaint against four key leaders of the UDD, accusing them of insulting the royal institution. Tul Prasertsil, Chairman of the Anti-Corruption Network in Khon Kaen, and Network Secretary Chaichana Tassaniyom asked local police to take action against four UDD leaders _ Veera Musikhapong, Jakrapob Penkair, Natthawut Saikua and Jatuporn Promphan _ for placing a picture of Their Majesties the King and Queen alongside an offensive slogan. The picture was seen next to a slogan reading ''Privileged People...Thief'' in the background on the UDD's rally site outside Parliament on Monday when thousands of UDD supporters staged a rally against the government. Mr Tul said the four UDD leaders must be held responsible for the group's action, which was deemed offensive to the royal institution. Such an action constituted an act of lese majeste under article 112 of the Criminal Code, he said.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/8...of-lese-majeste

[MyphuketLife]

MyphuketLife

I dont want fight whit you really, is only a quite request, please can you change your avatar?

Beliveme every time i see i remember my grandfather(7 yrs in african desert againt nazi whit 3 in a punishment camp)and is very sad for me and all people of my age ahd parent fight in that war.

PLS in not for fight only a gentle thing for as.

Tank you again.

Fare enough --- removed my avatar.

[MyphuketLife]

gravel -- to throw out inane comments that are just plain wrong and show no clear understanding of either Thai politics or even politics outside of the few countries that practice democracy the same way that level comes from does not make for debate.

The same can be said about those that pretend to be moderate but are in reality Thaksinistas wanting to see violence or those that pretend to be Thai and are not. It doesn't help debate .. it just muddies the water.

Who are these secret "Thaksinistas" you keep speaking of?

And any one wanting to "see violence" must be so upset because the most violence seen by the recent RED protests is bricks through car windows.....

[MyphuketLife]

3) All other logic and arguments do not matter. He is not allowed no matter what the reason or logic. He will always be wrong and his oppisition will always be right despite any "facts" . Nothing else to say.

Just because the guy they oppose sucks, does not make them or their actions always right.

[animatic]

What we need is more "Mindless (i think you meant to say)" applause for the fact that we now have a halfway smart person in the PM position, who is not facing jail time (i.e. convicted felons Samak and Thakin) or indictments for past and present misdeeds (Somchai). The TV red shirts have yet to propose their better alternative that would be palatable to the majority of the MPs....Charlerm, Sanoh, Chaiya, Pracha, or how about Jakracrap, Noppadon't, or Pokemon? This is why they lost. None of those bozos could carry Abhisit's intellectual jock strap, and all as corrupt as the day is long.

This loss will probably be the best thing that could have happened for Puea Thai, in all seriousness. They'll have to learn how to act properly in an opposition role, perhaps bring in some fresh faces with new ideas to revitalize their image (which they'll need when Thaksin's money dries up).

Then maybe we'll have a couple of decent political parties who can serve as each others foil.

Basically there is nought of any intellectual quality left in the former TRT ranks.

Of their own doing, regardless if you think Dems should have gotten the same.

The TRT is toast. Read the rules live by the rules ignore the rules die by the rules.

The ONLY thinker I ever saw in their cabinets was the post Noppadon FM.,

who bailed on Samak as soon as he could, after averting a worse Preah Vihear situation...

Without Thaksin's cash there wouldn't even be around as a unit at all.

Collapsed, factionalized and fighting amongst themselves,

as appears starting to be the case with PTP right now...

Regardless of corruption which is endemic in society at large,

it's how the grossest corruption is reigned in 'as best can be' is the current issue.

The TRT/ PPP/ PTP never even considered reigning it it. Non-starter.

One guy ragging on Chaiya for his obnoxiously blatant rice pledging scams,

just before dissolution, was the ONLY sign of ANY attempts to slow corruption of the strongest sort.

They can't even field a group that can interpret the constitution enough

to not make cabinet wide illegal mistakes.

The WHOLE Samak cabinet is up in charges

The greatest part of Thaksin cabinet is up on charges.

Large parts of the Somchai cabinet are up on charges.

For the dems we have Newin and a few changlings that enabled the coalition

and that's it.

They are hold overs from the THAKSIN cabinets no less.

There is no such thing as a lily white pure honest Thai government,

BUT there are marginal, bad and then there is abysmal ....

and the abyss has been pulled back from a few inches.

For that, in these too soon coming times, we must be grateful.

With the coming perfect storm of international collapse,

it was abundantly clear that the PPP / PTP were

utterly incapable of steering the ship of state around the shoals.

Regardless of how this government was formed, or why, or redshirts in the streets

I see we dodged a bullet with this transition, just in time.

[Journalist]

MyphuketLife

I dont want fight whit you really, is only a quite request, please can you change your avatar?

Beliveme every time i see i remember my grandfather(7 yrs in african desert againt nazi whit 3 in a punishment camp)and is very sad for me and all people of my age ahd parent fight in that war.

PLS in not for fight only a gentle thing for as.

Tank you again.

Fare enough --- removed my avatar.

I thought Signor Oceano was an Italian chap.

[samgrowth]

The RED should now go home and enjoy the New Year holiday. After than start planning their next move. If I am their leader, I will be planning on taking all the airports during ASEAN meeting. Since it is not a crime to peacefully protest and block off airports, I would take the airports after all the ASEAN PMs have arrived. So that they cannot go home. This will convey a very powerful message to all the ASEAN leaders, why PAD can do it, and still walks.

Edited December 31, 2008 by samgrowth

[ratcatcher]

MyphuketLife

I dont want fight whit you really, is only a quite request, please can you change your avatar?

Beliveme every time i see i remember my grandfather(7 yrs in african desert againt nazi whit 3 in a punishment camp)and is very sad for me and all people of my age ahd parent fight in that war.

PLS in not for fight only a gentle thing for as.

Tank you again.

Fare enough --- removed my avatar.

I thought Signor Oceano was an Italian chap.

Rommel said that didn't he?

[animatic]

MyphuketLife

I dont want fight whit you really, is only a quite request, please can you change your avatar?

Beliveme every time i see i remember my grandfather(7 yrs in african desert againt nazi whit 3 in a punishment camp)and is very sad for me and all people of my age ahd parent fight in that war.

PLS in not for fight only a gentle thing for as.

Tank you again.

Fare enough --- removed my avatar.

Thank you. I also had a life long friend who was shot down in a B-17

and spent 3.5 years in Hitlers POW camps. NINE of them.

He barely survived and never walked properly in cold weather again.

So I have the same repeated reaction as oceano...

[animatic]

MyphuketLife

I dont want fight whit you really, is only a quite request, please can you change your avatar?

Beliveme every time i see i remember my grandfather(7 yrs in african desert againt nazi whit 3 in a punishment camp)and is very sad for me and all people of my age ahd parent fight in that war.

PLS in not for fight only a gentle thing for as.

Tank you again.

Fare enough --- removed my avatar.

I thought Signor Oceano was an Italian chap.

There were Italians on BOTH sides of that divide.

Mussolinni was opposed and many had to go into exile.

[ratcatcher]

The RED should now go home and enjoy the New Year holiday. After than start planning their next move. If I am their leader, I will be planning on taking all the airports during ASEAN meeting. Since it is not a crime to peacefully protest and block off airports, I would take the airports after all the ASEAN PMs have arrived. So that they cannot go home. This will convey a very powerful message to all the ASEAN leaders, why PAD can do it, and still walks.

So, there is a possibility you will be their leader? It won't be so easy the next time. Different government with army and big guns.

No chance.

[MyphuketLife]

The RED should now go home and enjoy the New Year holiday. After than start planning their next move. If I am their leader, I will be planning on taking all the airports during ASEAN meeting. Since it is not a crime to peacefully protest and block off airports, I would take the airports after all the ASEAN PMs have arrived. So that they cannot go home. This will convey a very powerful message to all the ASEAN leaders, why PAD can do it, and still walks.

So, there is a possibility you will be their leader? It won't be so easy the next time. Different government with army and big guns.

No chance.

I agree thier is no chance that the army or police will allow it to happen, at least not now.... They should have stopped the first four airport closers and did not, but I can almost garuantee that they will not allow it to happen again, unless its the YELLOWS doing it.

[hammered]

I wonder if many were here and remember 1997.

Yes..well I wonder how many were here and remember 1973. Do you what happened then? Democracy was also stolen from the masses. They rebelled...not just red t-shirt types, but hundreds AND hundreds AND hundreds of thousands of people (500,000) - young and old - teachers, peasants, students, union workers -- all to say - NO. We will choose who leads us . It ended with the right-wing massacre of 1976.

This terrifies the 3 or 4 thousand wealthy families who may feel threatened enough to move their trigger fingers again. Why haven't more people figured out the present circumstances by now? My God. It's 'party time'.

Aromasia, I can't help but think that this is a distinct possibility. The way that people around me are talking about major institutions has changed markedly in the last year. There is real private debate and discussion going on that wasn't happening 3 or 4 years ago. There is no precedent in history for what is occurring now and will occur in the next couple of years in Thailand.

Relying on peoples naivety is not a solution. The Democrats have to stump up some very real and very successful solutions very quickly.

Inevitably a change is coming and to claim that any problem associated with it is an impossibility is to bury one's head in the sand.

The country has gone through 3 PM's in less than 6 months and the rural communities have a feeling of empowerment like never before. Anything is possible, and it is an amazingly delicate situation. Fortunately, the feeling is that people want to give the Dems a chance, but... can they deliver and unite the country.

This is the crux combined with will they be allowed the room to do so. It relies on the opposition too. Circumstance now and 73/76 are different. Back then there was an ideologiocal struggle betwen socialism and capitalism going on world wide and Thailand had its part in that too. Now maybe unfortunately socialism is not an ideologiocal brand. we have a debate centered on what version of capitalism.

The big change when it comes could well be a bigger change than expected. However, that may very well not be a good thing for the masses who to this day remain unorganised and with no representation that stems from their own ranks. The conditions back in the 70's were different when there really was at least some representation from the bottom. Now it is all about the big guys (white knights) from the top and who carves the cake -whether they be Thaksin or Abhisit or whoever else. The poor to achieve their own desires need to politcally organise within the system and have their own leadership. Right now yellow and red are not it. It is also worht nothing that the leftists of the 70's can be found in the PAD, UDD and outside of both. In fact the PAD probably includes more than the red side.

[samgrowth]

The RED should now go home and enjoy the New Year holiday. After than start planning their next move. If I am their leader, I will be planning on taking all the airports during ASEAN meeting. Since it is not a crime to peacefully protest and block off airports, I would take the airports after all the ASEAN PMs have arrived. So that they cannot go home. This will convey a very powerful message to all the ASEAN leaders, why PAD can do it, and still walks.

So, there is a possibility you will be their leader? It won't be so easy the next time. Different government with army and big guns.

No chance.

I agree thier is no chance that the army or police will allow it to happen, at least not now.... They should have stopped the first four airport closers and did not, but I can almost garuantee that they will not allow it to happen again, unless its the YELLOWS doing it.

But do you agree that the RED can round up as many protesters as the YELLOW when they take the airports? Just imagine, 20,000 people go to Swampy at the same time. What will happen. The police & army will block off the roads leading to the airports, and will selectively allow only cars that have some form of air-tickets through. The tail back will goes for miles. Worst, some of the RED will just park their cars/pickups there, blocking some lanes. Although not many will want to part their vehicle, just a few will cause lots of inconvinience. What if the taxis join the blockage. They don't own the vehicle, rent rent it on a day to day basis, and they don't care if they just dump the taxi there to block the roads. All other passengers are stuck in between and behind. Very few passengers (say 10%) will get through, the airport is effective non-operatable. Also, as flight arrived, more and more passengers pour in, and cannot be get themselves out of the airports because the exits lanes are also blocked by taxis and the RED. The trains are not in operation yet.

[Journalist]

MyphuketLife

I dont want fight whit you really, is only a quite request, please can you change your avatar?

Beliveme every time i see i remember my grandfather(7 yrs in african desert againt nazi whit 3 in a punishment camp)and is very sad for me and all people of my age ahd parent fight in that war.

PLS in not for fight only a gentle thing for as.

Tank you again.

Fare enough --- removed my avatar.

Thank you. I also had a life long friend who was shot down in a B-17

and spent 3.5 years in Hitlers POW camps. NINE of them.

He barely survived and never walked properly in cold weather again.

So I have the same repeated reaction as oceano...

The Free-Masons blackballed me as an inititiate stonecutter. So whenever I see the Masonic eye staring at me from a triangle, it stresses me.

[hammered]

The RED should now go home and enjoy the New Year holiday. After than start planning their next move. If I am their leader, I will be planning on taking all the airports during ASEAN meeting. Since it is not a crime to peacefully protest and block off airports, I would take the airports after all the ASEAN PMs have arrived. So that they cannot go home. This will convey a very powerful message to all the ASEAN leaders, why PAD can do it, and still walks.

So, there is a possibility you will be their leader? It won't be so easy the next time. Different government with army and big guns.

No chance.

I agree thier is no chance that the army or police will allow it to happen, at least not now.... They should have stopped the first four airport closers and did not, but I can almost garuantee that they will not allow it to happen again, unless its the YELLOWS doing it.

But do you agree that the RED can round up as many protesters as the YELLOW when they take the airports? Just imagine, 20,000 people go to Swampy at the same time. What will happen. The police & army will block off the roads leading to the airports, and will selectively allow only cars that have some form of air-tickets through. The tail back will goes for miles. Worst, some of the RED will just park their cars/pickups there, blocking some lanes. Although not many will want to part their vehicle, just a few will cause lots of inconvinience. What if the taxis join the blockage. They don't own the vehicle, rent rent it on a day to day basis, and they don't care if they just dump the taxi there to block the roads. All other passengers are stuck in between and behind. Very few passengers (say 10%) will get through, the airport is effective non-operatable. Also, as flight arrived, more and more passengers pour in, and cannot be get themselves out of the airports because the exits lanes are also blocked by taxis and the RED. The trains are not in operation yet.

It is highly unlikely that the reds will block airports. OK so they have started to become like the PAD with their parliamentary blockage and walk through our lines intimidation, but it is more liklely they will realise that this approach is counterproductive to them. If they become more PAD like their support will plummet. Already there are stories of people refusing money to join red demos although the paid make up the numbers and are not really the hardcore.

The other problem with the above scenario is that few people are actually politcally committed enough to give up their jobs and make sacrfices for their beliefs. PAD relied on a hardcore of not working middle aged women, OAPS and their politcal hardcore backed up by a hard guard element to provide protection and as time went on some or many of these became actually paid. Taxi drivers need to make money. Farmers need to grow crops (there are times of the year when relatively unemployed but day work if around calls unless the demo money is high and risks low). There will no doubt be a harder element who will be salaried (red "pay slips" have already been seen), but it takes lots of cash to keep a group of hard young men on the streets and occupied for a long time. The red hardcore are only few thousand which isnt enough to do a mass occupation. Even the PAD only really occupied the departure lounge if you get down to facts. The chancess are the reds if they try PAD tactics will lose support and collapse. For them to be effective they have to think up new and very different tatcics. That for them may very well mean a new peadership as th current lot have shown themselves to be tactically and strategically limited and not at all creative. They really need some new ideas to take their cause on.

The reds also face a difficult opponent in Abhisit. He does not have to appear "strong" and crack down on people. That has already been done by the PPP and not only failed but has made people not want more. On top of that Abhisit is new generation. He is not an arrogant I am the man and you must do as I say kind like say Samak. For the red side to appear reasonable as Abhisit preaches calm and reaches out to the other side asking thm to give him a chance (and it seems many PPP voters have been receptive) is a real challenge for a street movement. Street movements work best against authoritarian and hard edged states. That is nothing like the approach Abhisit is putting forward.

Difficult times for the red shirts unless they sit back and wait for the government to become unpopular. It wil happen but Thaksin could be ancient histroy by then and that is another problem for them. the red shirts are too inextricably linked to the man and his funds are still important to keep the movement going especially as other financial options are changing sides very rapidly.

[Old Man River]

But do you agree that the RED can round up as many protesters as the YELLOW when they take the airports?

The amount they round up will be academic. They won't be allowed to take the airport(s). I know, if the PAD could why can't the UDD? The answer is that everyone wanted the last government to stop the PAD from taking the airports, but for one reason or another the last government didn't act. This government is different and will act. You can make the point that these guys sided with the PAD etc., but that is a different issue. We are now discussing now.

The bottom line is that this government is focused on pulling Thailand out of its economic problems and won't be sympathetic to any group which tries to undermine Thailand's economy. That is the end game, for now.

[animatic]

MyphuketLife

I dont want fight whit you really, is only a quite request, please can you change your avatar?

Beliveme every time i see i remember my grandfather(7 yrs in african desert againt nazi whit 3 in a punishment camp)and is very sad for me and all people of my age ahd parent fight in that war.

PLS in not for fight only a gentle thing for as.

Tank you again.

Fare enough --- removed my avatar.

Thank you. I also had a life long friend who was shot down in a B-17

and spent 3.5 years in Hitlers POW camps. NINE of them.

He barely survived and never walked properly in cold weather again.

So I have the same repeated reaction as oceano...

The Free-Masons blackballed me as an inititiate stonecutter. So whenever I see the Masonic eye staring at me from a triangle, it stresses me.

Drole!

Sorry mate, it's from the dollar bill.

I see what I see.

Edited December 31, 2008 by animatic