If You Skip Uk Community Service...

[muaythaist]

If someone in the UK was given a community order as sentencing for maybe 1 or 2 days a week for 3 months or whatever it was. If that person was to say "fuc_k this" and go abroad to thailand and nepal for 4-6 months. Would there automatically be an arrest warrant out on this person in the UK, after skipping probation and/or community service?

Also, IF there is an arrest warrant out on u... when i come back, will they stop me at the airport in the uk on my return (after the 4-6 months)? Will my passport "show up" the arrest warrant for this type of thing?

does anyone know?

[dee123]

...another "Quality Tourist"arrives

[NanLaew]

Ooooo... this should be a humdinger!

[RAZZELL]

If someone in the UK was given a community order as sentencing for maybe 1 or 2 days a week for 3 months or whatever it was. If that person was to say "fuc_k this" and go abroad to thailand and nepal for 4-6 months. Would there automatically be an arrest warrant out on this person in the UK, after skipping probation and/or community service?

Also, IF there is an arrest warrant out on u... when i come back, will they stop me at the airport in the uk on my return (after the 4-6 months)? Will my passport "show up" the arrest warrant for this type of thing?

does anyone know?

"Someone" and "me"...

My mate got stopped and arrested at Gatwick coming back from his wedding...8 years after a driving offence...

Basically, if you don't do the community service you're in severe danger of doing some "bird"...

RAZZ

[G54]

Surely if that person was not to attend for the community service order the authorities would want to know why. With no reason forthcoming it would be sent back to the courts to be dealt with.

Depending on the pleading but I could well see a custodial sentence being imposed as that person, especially if they knew said person delibrately skipped the country to avoid what is, in effect, a sentence in itself.

If the authorities know that person has left the country then you can bet there would be a check made at the airports / ports for their return. So easy to have their name logged onto the system. The authorities are likely to be rather p*ssed off too.

Would it really be worth the extra hassle?

Why not ask if the authorities would not defer the date of the community service until later?

[muaythaist]

Its one of the more immoral laws that im being sentenced for, but i dont want to say what. to do with some herbs that coincidentally grow wild in thailand

I will definitely ask about it being deferred, but I cant see me being able to dictate to the court when i do my sentence, i will ask

It seems i may be stopped at the airport on my return. that is something i really dont want to happen.... il ask a legal advice line for more info on this.

thanks

[Damman2]

Why dont you ask the court if you can do the 12 to 14 days community service all at once - after that your free to travel without having to worry ??

[sassienie]

Another IDIOT

TROLL?

Get a life.

[mrtoad]

Its one of the more immoral laws that im being sentenced for, but i dont want to say what. to do with some herbs that coincidentally grow wild in thailand

I will definitely ask about it being deferred, but I cant see me being able to dictate to the court when i do my sentence, i will ask

It seems i may be stopped at the airport on my return. that is something i really dont want to happen.... il ask a legal advice line for more info on this.

thanks

I'm sure the CPS, will be more than happy to accomdate your holiday, as a part of your community service they may even through in an adventure holiday as part of your rehabilitation, so you wont even need to worry.

If you skip it, you are going you are going down, and quite rightly. Community serive orders are an alrenative to being sentenced to jail, so if you do up sticks and leave, on your return you will be locked up.

As for the index offence,however much you feel hard done by, and don't agree with themorality of it, you have broken a law which is pretty clear. The courts have pretty clear guidelines on sentencing, so you should have been aware of this. I'm guessing you pleaded guilty at the magistrates court, rather than electing for trial at a crown court?

If the sentence is in relation to "herbs" I guess that it's more likely for intent to supply, rather than personal use.

Stay in the UK please.

[ukrules]

If someone in the UK was given a community order as sentencing for maybe 1 or 2 days a week for 3 months or whatever it was. If that person was to say "fuc_k this" and go abroad to thailand and nepal for 4-6 months. Would there automatically be an arrest warrant out on this person in the UK, after skipping probation and/or community service?

Also, IF there is an arrest warrant out on u... when i come back, will they stop me at the airport in the uk on my return (after the 4-6 months)? Will my passport "show up" the arrest warrant for this type of thing?

does anyone know?

You will most likely be arrested on your return.

It's only three months, just get it out of the way and forget about it.

I don't think they will allow you to defer it so you can go on an extended holiday, however they might allow you to do the same amount of work over a shorter period of time.

Community service is a direct replacement for imprisonment, if you don't do the community service then you will more than likely end up in jail.

[britmaveric]

Simple you will be tossed in jail if you break the courts judgment and let me tell you the court will be none to happy with you and they will throw the book at you.

-ask the court for permission and tell them what you have planned and see if they can work smth out.

or

do the community service as planned and take your trip after your punishment has concluded.

[muaythaist]

This was a bad idea to post here. I should have expected the replies.. i wanted to get answers though, outweighing frustrating likely comments suggesting a slight on my character.

thanks to those who did give me the answers without judging me

[frankthetank]

what are the dates you intend to travel??

[PhilHarries]

I don't think the OP need worry about any ramifications of skipping his community service in the UK. Chances are he'll get mixed up in the drug scene in Thailand and end up doing some kind of servicing in the Bangkok Hilton.

[lazygourmet]

what are the dates you intend to travel??

Remembering one of his previous (travel) threads, we should conclude that he is already on the road.

[jackr]

This was a bad idea to post here. I should have expected the replies.. i wanted to get answers though, outweighing frustrating likely comments suggesting a slight on my character.

<deleted> do you expect! If there's any 'slight' on your character, it's quite clearly your own undoing by the very nature of your OP. Don't be so childish and have some common sense

[Jimjim]

Geez, more people trying to get away from legal troubles in the UK? What is happening to the expats in Thailand? Oh, wait, it's always been that way. Just please stay only in Pattaya.

[totlanh]

Its one of the more immoral laws that im being sentenced for, but i dont want to say what. to do with some herbs that coincidentally grow wild in thailand

I will definitely ask about it being deferred, but I cant see me being able to dictate to the court when i do my sentence, i will ask

It seems i may be stopped at the airport on my return. that is something i really dont want to happen.... il ask a legal advice line for more info on this.

thanks

I'm sure the CPS, will be more than happy to accomdate your holiday, as a part of your community service they may even through in an adventure holiday as part of your rehabilitation, so you wont even need to worry.

If you skip it, you are going you are going down, and quite rightly. Community serive orders are an alrenative to being sentenced to jail, so if you do up sticks and leave, on your return you will be locked up.

As for the index offence,however much you feel hard done by, and don't agree with themorality of it, you have broken a law which is pretty clear. The courts have pretty clear guidelines on sentencing, so you should have been aware of this. I'm guessing you pleaded guilty at the magistrates court, rather than electing for trial at a crown court?

If the sentence is in relation to "herbs" I guess that it's more likely for intent to supply, rather than personal use.

Stay in the UK please.

Toady,

Per chance where you drunk when you wrote this ,as it lacks your usual fluency

[TJAN]

This was a bad idea to post here. I should have expected the replies.. i wanted to get answers though, outweighing frustrating likely comments suggesting a slight on my character.

thanks to those who did give me the answers without judging me

You pay for your holliday with the money you made with your HERBS.

[PhilHarries]

Geez, more people trying to get away from legal troubles in the UK? What is happening to the expats in Thailand? Oh, wait, it's always been that way. Just please stay only in Pattaya.

The problem in the UK is that the whining, hand wringing liberals are convincing the authorities that it is bad to lock up criminals, something to do with infringing on their human rights. It won't be long before the British tax payer will be footing the bill for sending these types on rehabilitation trips to tropical beach resorts.

If he goes ahead with his holiday the chances are that nothing will happen to him on his return. Some little legal eagle snot will argue that imposing his community service sentence over his holiday was in contravention to his rights under the EU regulations.

[Miserere]

If you havnt left the UK yet, do your time then travel without it hanging over you.

if you have already left, then I wouldn't worry too much, I doubt an 'All Ports' has been put out on you I also doubt you will be given a custodial sentance as the prisons are full to overflowing at the moment and all manner of nobs are getting get out of jail free cards just to free up places for the nonces, and even some of them aren't going down.

You may want to consider handing yourself in to the necessary authorities when you get back, (though don't be surprised if they're not very interested and ask you to take a ticket and wait in line!) just give them a story about how you did charity work abroad and how your a reformed charcter or something.

Enjoy yourself fella, life is short and roll a fat one for me!

[taxexile]

The problem in the UK is that the whining, hand wringing liberals are convincing the authorities that it is bad to lock up criminals, something to do with infringing on their human rights. It won't be long before the British tax payer will be footing the bill for sending these types on rehabilitation trips to tropical beach resorts.

....... and this just in , from the uk !!

Failed asylum seeker who killed former Royal Marine cannot be deported

A failed asylum seeker who killed a former Royal Marine in a hit-and-run crash has escaped deportation because of a loophole which means his crime is not considered "serious enough" by the Home Office.

By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent

Last Updated: 5:54PM GMT 18 Jan 2009

Jean Mukadi, who has had asylum applications rejected three times and failed a driving test seven times, was jailed for four months after fatally injuring Simon Lawrence while driving without a licence or insurance.

But he was not sent back to his native Democratic Republic of Congo because foreign offenders can only be deported if they have been jailed for at least 12 months or if they have been convicted of serious gun or drug crimes.

It means that Mukadi, 33, can remain in Britain while he fights a lengthy appeal against the decision to deny him asylum. He has already served more than half his sentence and it remains unclear whether he has been freed.

Alison Roberts, Lawrence's sister and a former police officer, said: "This is ridiculous. Mukadi has had his asylum claim refused three times and in court it was said he had failed to get a driving licence seven times. So, by any estimation, he should not have been on the road.

"He showed what kind of a person he was when he drove off after killing Simon because he didn't want to endanger his own interests. And yet apparently he cannot be deported."

Lawrence, 55, served as a Royal Marines commando during the 1970s, including two tours of duty in Northern Ireland and a period on board the aircraft carrier Hermes alongside the Prince of Wales.

He was on his motorbike when he was struck by Mukadi's Toyota car in Harefield, west London, in June last year. He died instantly.

Mukadi fled from the scene, but was arrested several days later. He told police that he had failed to stop because he did not want to endanger a pending asylum appeal, and said he had not realised that he had hit a person.

Mukadi admitted charges of leaving the scene of an accident, driving without a licence and having no insurance at Uxbridge magistrates' court.

Mrs Roberts contacted her MP, James Arbuthnot, asking him to write to ministers seeking an explanation for why he was not considered for deportation.

Meg Hillier, a Home Office minister, replied: "It appears that Mr Mukadi does not meet the criteria to be considered for deportation.

"I recognise that this may not be the information that Ms Roberts wishes to hear. However, I am afraid that the UK Border Agency can only deport foreign national offenders in line with published policy and legal powers."

The Tories claim that about 3,000 foreign convicts are released back into society each year despite a pledge by Gordon Brown to deport all foreign lawbreakers.

A spokesman for the UK Border Agency said: "We will not tolerate those that come here and break our rules. Last year we exceeded the tough target set by government to remove 5,000 foreign lawbreakers. We are targeting the most harmful [offenders] first."

It is understood that attempts to remove Mukadi from Britain via the asylum process are being pursued.

[Maigo6]

Meg Hillier, a Home Office minister, replied: "It appears that Mr Mukadi does not meet the criteria to be considered for deportation.

Unbelievable... No wonder Foreign criminals have no fear of commiting crimes in the UK, the sentences are so light and the conditions are so good in the Jails, there is no fear of being caught.

I wonder what would have happened in his country of Birth if he had hit and run a former member of the Army who had a Police connection is his Family ?

And yet I often see on this forum about guys from the UK having problems getting their wife a visa for the UK, the mind boggles.

Edited January 19, 2009 by Maigo6

[spacefruit]

If someone in the UK was given a community order as sentencing for maybe 1 or 2 days a week for 3 months or whatever it was. If that person was to say "fuc_k this" and go abroad to thailand and nepal for 4-6 months. Would there automatically be an arrest warrant out on this person in the UK, after skipping probation and/or community service?

Also, IF there is an arrest warrant out on u... when i come back, will they stop me at the airport in the uk on my return (after the 4-6 months)? Will my passport "show up" the arrest warrant for this type of thing?

does anyone know?

I think you will be arrested for gross stupidity (getting caught), and sent to prison without taking into account any of your self righteousness nor self pity, or indeed arrogance.

You got caught breaking the laws of the country that shelters you (whether or not to your satisfaction).

What on earth do you think? That you can walk through immigration without consequences?

The UK education system is in a worse state than I thought.

[mrtoad]

Toady,

Per chance where you drunk when you wrote this ,as it lacks your usual fluency

Wasn't oin the cider last night mate, thats probably why the lack of fluency.

[mrtoad]

This was a bad idea to post here. I should have expected the replies.. i wanted to get answers though, outweighing frustrating likely comments suggesting a slight on my character.

thanks to those who did give me the answers without judging me

I think you have had the answears that you asked for, it's just you don't like them.

You are a convicted criminal, who is trying to avoid a sentence passed by HM Courts. People like you are, exactly why law abiding citizens get so fed up wuith the current sentencing guidelines in the UK.

Do the crime, do your time.

[H2oDunc]

This was a bad idea to post here. I should have expected the replies.. i wanted to get answers though, outweighing frustrating likely comments suggesting a slight on my character.

thanks to those who did give me the answers without judging me

Excuse me!!!!!!

" comments suggesting a sleight on my character" You are the person telling us you have been found guilty of a criminal offence which the courts have found to be serious enough to merit a community service order. I would put it to you that that fact suggests a sleight on your character not the posters on this forum. You are a perfect example for the introduction of a law which sees your passport revoked till you comply with the order of the court.

On second thought you could always come here to smoke your " Herb " And get caught and shown what a real prison is like !

Do your time because if you dont then when you land back in the UK you will be taken straight to jail, then court then hopefully back to jail for a long time.

Have a nice day !

[GuestHouse]

While foreigners committing crimes in the UK and evading deportation might be interesting, it has nothing to do with the OP's question (or Thailand for that matter).

Answering part of the OP's question, I wrote here on TV last Christmas about the arrest of a guy on arrival back in the UK from Thailand (this guy was arrested on the aircraft, never mind waiting for him to disembark or clear passport control). That incident clearly demonstrates that the police are made aware of people they are looking for boarding aircraft.

Not much comfort to you I know, but something of a comfort to the rest of us.

As for being to touchy about a slight on your character, you have been convicted of a crime, do your sentence and stop bleating about 'immoral laws' in the same breath as asking about skipping your sentence. And before you go bleating about that being highhanded, go read what I said in a post about yesterday in which a TV member was after shopping a ex convict to the Thai authorities - My comment - 'He's done his time, let him get on with his life' - A view supported by many of the other TV members who responded.

[geriatrickid]

I was under the impression that if one was convicted of a criminal offense one was inadmissible into Thailand without a waiver. What happens if the UK has attached a notice to the passport e file so that it shows up in the Thai immigration computer?

Ok, so maybe they don't do it, but it seems risky to travel like that. What happens if the OP requires assistance from the UK embassy and they check him out, see he is a fugitive at large and report him as such?

[haybilly]

If someone in the UK was given a community order as sentencing for maybe 1 or 2 days a week for 3 months or whatever it was. If that person was to say "fuc_k this" and go abroad to thailand and nepal for 4-6 months. Would there automatically be an arrest warrant out on this person in the UK, after skipping probation and/or community service?

Also, IF there is an arrest warrant out on u... when i come back, will they stop me at the airport in the uk on my return (after the 4-6 months)? Will my passport "show up" the arrest warrant for this type of thing?

does anyone know?

Well, it appears from your other posts that you are already in Thailand so the 'what if's' are a bit irrelevant--I guess you just wanted to get a reaction--anyway, without wishing to pass judgment on the morality of your offense, the whole point of a Community Service Order is usually to spare someone, who would normally receive a custodial sentence, from going to prison--I would suggest that, instead of doing a runner and thereby guaranteeing a lengthier time in jail than would previously have been given to you, you stay and put up with the CCO--incidentally about 30 plus years ago I also received 120 hours and was bloody relieved to get this instead of a custodial sentence--i.e. think yourself lucky and do it--if you can get back to UK without getting pulled.