Identity In Thailand

[winson1742]

You should try, but not get yoour hopes up too much.

Do inquire also from the Singapore side. Thailand will probably have no problem with her leaving Thailand, but Singapore might have a problem with her coming to Singapore.

But in singapore side, how am i suppose to tell them or where shall i start from.. I've really got no ideas...

[Mario2008]

If you want to have your GF stay with you in Singapore, you will need an immigration lawyer to help in that process. Or an organisation based in Singapore that helps refugees.

[winson1742]

If you want to have your GF stay with you in Singapore, you will need an immigration lawyer to help in that process. Or an organisation based in Singapore that helps refugees.

lawyer is not a problem but is there organisation in singapore to help refugees

[Mario2008]

I don't know. You can do an internet search on that or ask around.

[winson1742]

I don't know. You can do an internet search on that or ask around.

Many thanks Bro... Hope the fellow brother in this forum can help me if anyone out there have any solution with my problem..

[ubonjoe]

You mentioned marriage earlier and you say you are commited to her and vice versa so I have looked into going that route. I think you can get married using the same procedure as a foreigner getting married to a Thai a trip to the amphoe (district office) should be able to confirm this. Link to procedure: http://www.dopa.go.th/English/servi/marry.htm

You would need an affiramtion to marry from your embassy in Bangkok.

Link to consular page of embassy: http://www.mfa.gov.sg/bangkok/

If you get married she would be eligible for permanent residency in Singapore that can lead to citizenship.

Link to info on immigration website: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151...150#eligibility

She can get an emergency travel certificate to leave Thailand from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Link to info on this: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151...150#eligibility

You need to make a few phone calls and get more info to do it this way. I think contacting the embassy and/or immigration for Singapore would be a good start.

[Hawaiian]

I remember that she once told me that she's from hatyai the border btw burma n thai...... Anybody know abt these places?

Hat Yai, Thailand: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source...&iwloc=addr

Burma, also known as Myanmar: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source...ie=UTF8&z=4

Singpore: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source...e=UTF8&z=10

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Maestro

I know, not the 1 close to malaysia.. Cos the prounouce is abit same as hat yai... But, it's a place between burma n thai.. They have their language too..

Just a stab in the dark if she speaks a Laotian dialect, maybe Huay Xai.

I know, not the 1 close to malaysia.. Cos the prounouce is abit same as hat yai... But, it's a place between burma n thai.. They have their language too..

[InterestedObserver]

You would need an affiramtion to marry from your embassy in Bangkok.

Just a thought, but who is going to issue an affirmation to marry for the GF, or does Thailand dispense with that sort of thing in the case of refugees? How do refugees register a marriage in Thailand? Does the UNHCR perform and certify marriages? So many unanswered questions and hoops to jump through. We all wish them well.

[ubonjoe]

You would need an affiramtion to marry from your embassy in Bangkok.

Just a thought, but who is going to issue an affirmation to marry for the GF, or does Thailand dispense with that sort of thing in the case of refugees? How do refugees register a marriage in Thailand? Does the UNHCR perform and certify marriages? So many unanswered questions and hoops to jump through. We all wish them well.

The reason for the affirmation to marry is to insure the foreigner is not married.

Since she is registered (pink ID card) already they should have a record the same as they do on Thais to confirm she is not already married. This is only an assumption on my part and as I said before he needs to check with the Amphoe to verify. I assume that people with pink ID cards can get married to another pink ID card holder or to a Thai for that matter.

[winson1742]

The reason for the affirmation to marry is to insure the foreigner is not married.

Since she is registered (pink ID card) already they should have a record the same as they do on Thais to confirm she is not already married. This is only an assumption on my part and as I said before he needs to check with the Amphoe to verify. I assume that people with pink ID cards can get married to another pink ID card holder or to a Thai for that matter.

So in the other way, if we register marriage in thailand amphur, the chances of getting her an identity is higher... Am i rite to say that bro?

[InterestedObserver]

The reason for the affirmation to marry is to insure the foreigner is not married.

Since she is registered (pink ID card) already they should have a record the same as they do on Thais to confirm she is not already married. This is only an assumption on my part and as I said before he needs to check with the Amphoe to verify. I assume that people with pink ID cards can get married to another pink ID card holder or to a Thai for that matter.

Getting married Thai traditional style (Buddhist ceremony), yes. But to register the marriage at the local Amphur and receive official documentation for emigration to Singapore.............?

[ubonjoe]

This is the instructions to register a marriage: http://www.dopa.go.th/English/servi/marry.htm

I said I think it shoud be the same for her as a Thai getting married including the registration and getting a marriage certificate.

[winson1742]

If, i'm a foreign can both of us have a thai traditional style marriage and get aher an identity?

[Mario2008]

The marriage wil not give her a nationality, but might help her to aquire your nationality.

[ubonjoe]

If, i'm a foreign can both of us have a thai traditional style marriage and get aher an identity?

I said nothing about having a traditional wedding. I said doing a proper registraion.

You need to read my earlier post. I gave you a lot of information there and a way to possibly do it.

You mentioned marriage earlier and you say you are commited to her and vice versa so I have looked into going that route. I think you can get married using the same procedure as a foreigner getting married to a Thai a trip to the amphoe (district office) should be able to confirm this. Link to procedure: http://www.dopa.go.th/English/servi/marry.htm

You would need an affiramtion to marry from your embassy in Bangkok.

Link to consular page of embassy: http://www.mfa.gov.sg/bangkok/

If you get married she would be eligible for permanent residency in Singapore that can lead to citizenship.

Link to info on immigration website: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151...150#eligibility

She can get an emergency travel certificate to leave Thailand from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Link to info on this: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151...150#eligibility

You need to make a few phone calls and get more info to do it this way. I think contacting the embassy and/or immigration for Singapore would be a good start.

[winson1742]

i read already... thanks bro

[InterestedObserver]

This is the instructions to register a marriage: http://www.dopa.go.th/English/servi/marry.htm

I said I think it shoud be the same for her as a Thai getting married including the registration and getting a marriage certificate.

She is clearly not a Thai citizen. That makes her an alien under Thai law. Aliens have to produce an affirmation to marry certificate for the Amphur before the marriage can be registered. I ask again, politely, how does she get said certificate?

[winson1742]

This is the instructions to register a marriage: http://www.dopa.go.th/English/servi/marry.htm

I said I think it shoud be the same for her as a Thai getting married including the registration and getting a marriage certificate.

She is clearly not a Thai citizen. That makes her an alien under Thai law. Aliens have to produce an affirmation to marry certificate for the Amphur before the marriage can be registered. I ask again, politely, how does she get said certificate?

think gotta ask her abt this

[ubonjoe]

This is the instructions to register a marriage: http://www.dopa.go.th/English/servi/marry.htm

I said I think it shoud be the same for her as a Thai getting married including the registration and getting a marriage certificate.

She is clearly not a Thai citizen. That makes her an alien under Thai law. Aliens have to produce an affirmation to marry certificate for the Amphur before the marriage can be registered. I ask again, politely, how does she get said certificate?

think gotta ask her abt this

Yes but she is registered since she has a pink ID. They should have proof that she is not married.

Since she is a stateless person I do not know how they will handle it, If it came down to it and she needs the affirmation to marry some embassies might do it for her.

As I said a trip to the Amphoe should get that question anwered.

[Mario2008]

Ask one of the organisations I provided you links to in an earlier post, they will know the answer.

[winson1742]

Ask one of the organisations I provided you links to in an earlier post, they will know the answer.

I've already sent email to them already.. hope to get an answer asap

[ubonjoe]

Ask one of the organisations I provided you links to in an earlier post, they will know the answer.

I've already sent email to them already.. hope to get an answer asap

Check with the amphoe to. I think they are the ones that issue the pink ID's.

Ask your girl friend where her ID card was issued.

[tvaddict]

I don't know much about his situation but I can tell you one thing-

when she said hat yai as the place she comes from you misheard-

the thais have a word for those of burmese origin but who are residing in the area around the border with thailand, usually illegally or with restricted residence status-

thai yai

otherwise known outside thailand as the shan people

try the link here to learn more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shan

[tvaddict]

A bit of info about thai yai (shan)

Originally from China but in relation to their presence in Thailand - i believe the info below is relevant and revealing....

After World War II, the Shan and other ethnic minority leaders negotiated with the majority Bamar leadership at the Panglong Conference, and agreed to gain independence from Britain as part of Union of Myanmar. The Shan states were given the option to secede after 10 years of independence. The Shan states became Shan State in 1948 as part of the newly independent Burma.

General Ne Win's coup d'état overthrew the democratically elected government in 1962, and abolished Shan saopha system.

The Shan have been engaged in an intermittent civil war within Burma for decades. Two main Shan armed insurgent forces operate within Shan State: the Shan State Army/Special Region 3 and Shan State Army/Restoration Council of Shan State. In 2005 the SSNA was effectively abolished after its surrender to the Burmese government, some units joined the SSA/RCSS, which has yet to sign any agreements, and is still engaged in guerrilla warfare against the Burma Army.

During conflicts, the Shan (Thai Yai) are often burned out of their villages and forced to flee into Thailand. There, they are not given refugee status, and often work as undocumented laborers. Whether or not there is an ongoing conflict, the Shan are subject to depredations by the Burmese government; in particular, young men may be conscripted into the Burmese Army indefinitely, or enslaved to do road work for a number of months--with no wages and no food. The horrific conditions inside Burma have led to a massive exodus of young Shan males to neighboring Thailand, where they typically find work in construction, at daily wages which run about 100-200 baht. However unsatisfactory these conditions may be, all of these refugees are well aware that at least they are being paid for their work, and that every day spent in Thailand is another day that the Burmese government cannot impress or enslave them.

Some estimates of Shan refugees in Thailand run as high as two million, an extremely high number when compared with estimates of the total Shan population at some six million.

[winson1742]

A bit of info about thai yai (shan)...

If she really from there.. then wat will happen?

Is it that whatever i do also can't help her get a citizenship?

[ubonjoe]

It means nothing to what you are trying to do He just posted it for info.

I am doing some more research for you on the marriage and such.

[winson1742]

It means nothing to what you are trying to do He just posted it for info.

I am doing some more research for you on the marriage and such.

Really thousand of thanks to the fellow brothers here to show concern for me..

Really appreciated

[Mario2008]

You might also find the folowing article interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness

It explains what a stateless person is.

[winson1742]

My gf really from thai yai (shan). So how am i suppose to go abt it?

She told me that she can only marriage to thai ppl.. Not other foreign..

[ubonjoe]

My gf really from thai yai (shan). So how am i suppose to go abt it?

She told me that she can only marriage to thai ppl.. Not other foreign..

It does not matter which group of stateless people she is from.

I will take a bit of an investigation to see if it is true that she can not marry a foreign person. She might be thinking of Burma because its against the law there.