Thaksin's Supporters Hold Rite To Relieve Him Of Bad Lucks

[sriracha john]

At least admit that both sides here have rather surreal methods to extend their political battle into the realm of the spirit world.

many of the anti thaksin posters on Thai visa, particularily the ones with tens of thousands of posts are actually demons summoned by Sonti lithumgul to do various anti thaksin propoganda jobs and activities via the internet.

while most of their detractors are simply returning multi-ID possessing, previously banned trolls from the nether world.

[Sandstone Art]

At least admit that both sides here have rather surreal methods to extend their political battle into the realm of the spirit world.

many of the anti thaksin posters on Thai visa, particularily the ones with tens of thousands of posts are actually demons summoned by Sonti lithumgul to do various anti thaksin propoganda jobs and activities via the internet.

while most of their detractors are simply returning multi-ID possessing, previously banned trolls from the nether world.

Those 'detractors' might benefited from all those treasures looted from the previous life!

So, in this life, they have to defend that 'warrier' who suffers so much unjust this life!

[mc2]

At least admit that both sides here have rather surreal methods to extend their political battle into the realm of the spirit world.

many of the anti thaksin posters on Thai visa, particularily the ones with tens of thousands of posts are actually demons summoned by Sonti lithumgul to do various anti thaksin propoganda jobs and activities via the internet.

while most of their detractors are simply returning multi-ID possessing, previously banned trolls from the nether world.

a typical demonic response.

your master should reprogram you with some new material

[sriracha john]

At least admit that both sides here have rather surreal methods to extend their political battle into the realm of the spirit world.

many of the anti thaksin posters on Thai visa, particularily the ones with tens of thousands of posts are actually demons summoned by Sonti lithumgul to do various anti thaksin propoganda jobs and activities via the internet.

while most of their detractors are simply returning multi-ID possessing, previously banned trolls from the nether world.

a typical demonic response.

your master should reprogram you with some new material

and your trolling needs updating... perhaps yet another new nick?

[mc2]

keep guessing

[Gravelrash]

This is all getting too bizarre. And no I don't mean Taksin, Londhi and the rest of them with their voodoo, that isn't the least bit surprising. What is too bizarre is that the red and yellow camps on TV are out arguing over who's wacko leader has the weirdest voodoo.

It isn't Buddhism any way, the Thais have mixed Buddhism with Animism to come out with their own system. Sort of like the early Christians incorporating some Pagan stuff to keep the punters happy.

Gad, I even saw the Troll alert raised, now we are getting into some serious infighting.

[justanothercybertosser]

It was only your superlative nonsense that Sondhi exceeded Thaksin's bizarreness that prompted setting the record straight that when it comes to weird, Thaksin rules supreme.

And no, it's not been my experience that the "vast majority" of Thais believe in the bizarre extremist bunk in the Thaksin or Sondhi quotes.

It is only a question of degree. The vast majority of Thais do believe in what most westerners would label as superstition. The huge amulet industry is ample proof of this.

As to Thaksin being more bizarre, i believe it when i see Thaksin going into public trance, and deciding to save the nation by the use of sanitary napkins of menstruating women. That stunt of Sondhi was one of the most surreal events of last year, closely followed by the National Human Rights Commission "investigation" into Oct. the 7th.

Edited February 18, 2009 by justanothercybertosser

[henryalleman]

There are some VOODOO sects in Thailand, the daughter of my wife was influenced by them, she quit her good paid job and a growing career and joined them. She lost her job her house in fact she lost everything. All the family try to reason with her. No use at all. Because she became a priestess of the sect.

Now she 50 left the sect penny less but still is under there influence, In fact a tragedy for the whole family. After a family meeting my wife youngest son took her in the house. She locks herself up in her room and writing books about how the world and people should behave.

So VOODOO performances under the flag of Buddhism conducted by so called monks, is not so unusual in Thailand.

BTW she is not from Isan or up North, and have an MBA.

[Ricardo]

Moreover, the names of the enemies of the deposed premier were written and put into a monks' alms-bowl to make merit for them so that the merit might release Thaksin from his misfortune and bring him back to Thailand.

The names which were put into the alms-bowl include Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda, PM Abhisit Vejjajiva, Deputy PM Suthep Thaugsuban, as well as core leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy Sondhi Limtongkul.

- TOC / 2009-02-17

Perhaps the list ought also to have included, the 60% of all voters in the last election, who failed to support the Thaksin-nominee PPP, in December-2007 ? Or the people who could have voted, but didn't, and thereby let him down ?? Perhaps the UK & Japanese peoples, for having denied him visas, to hide-out in their countries ???

But I'm sure that most of the named individuals, in the list above, would want to bring him back to Thailand, if only to serve his time and face his several other court-cases ?

Meanwhile the coming bad luck continues, with the news of yet another corruption-charge, against Thaksin & family-members. The bad luck seems endless.

[LomSak27]

To what extend some people here go to defend the indefensible continues to amuse and surprise...

At least admit that both sides here have rather surreal methods to extend their political battle into the realm of the spirit world.

Exactly ... of course some people need to ..

It was only your superlative nonsense that Sondhi exceeded Thaksin's bizarreness that prompted setting the record straight that when it comes to weird, Thaksin rules supreme.

And no, it's not been my experience that the "vast majority" of Thais believe in the bizarre extremist bunk in the Thaksin or Sondhi quotes.

Sondhis weirdness is done for a distinct political purpose – Thaksins Emerald Buddha incident, the Erawan shrine conspiracy theory is all predicated on the idea that Thaksin is trying to replace the monarchy. That has to be the biggest nastiest smear in the present political imbroglio. Does Sondhi actually believe any of it, or is it just a means to an end?!

However these goings on are more frequent than anything you would get out from the Nation or the Post, although it should be stated that the Post will certainly report more of it than the Nation. The Nation, as the Democratic party and PAD backer does not want westerners to, uh be all that aware of mystical political shennagins. This could dissipate Dems/PAD support and cast doubt that they are going to clean up the country LOL

Still some need to believe

[hammered]

I guess this gang of hocus pokus merchants aint the leading lights of the red shirt socialiststhat ole Giles keeps harping on about

[brahmburgers]

There are some VOODOO sects in Thailand, the daughter of my wife was influenced by them, she quit her good paid job and a growing career and joined them. She lost her job her house in fact she lost everything. All the family try to reason with her. No use at all. Because she became a priestess of the sect.

Now she 50 left the sect penny less but still is under there influence, In fact a tragedy for the whole family. After a family meeting my wife youngest son took her in the house. She locks herself up in her room and writing books about how the world and people should behave.

So VOODOO performances under the flag of Buddhism conducted by so called monks, is not so unusual in Thailand.

BTW she is not from Isan or up North, and have an MBA.

Sad to hear. Well, at least she's writing books - which shows she has a creative streak, and has an outlet for it, that doesn't harm others or animals (as far as I can tell). Now, for the millions of Thais who are more or less superstitious than her ....let's hope their superstition and extreme fear of ghosts don't harm themselves or others. Incidentally, Christianity is a fully myth-based belief system also - but I wouldn't want to open another can of worms here, would I?

Generally, nearly all people need myths and mysterious powers governing their lives and actions - or at

they think they need them. Without multiple shrouds of belief systems, people would feel like they were walking around nud_e in a public place. Not much different than Linus and his security blanket.

What's the alternative? (you may ask) - simple: science / nature / things that are real. They're also infinitely mysterious and awesome. And you don't need to slice animal's necks or drop virgins down deep wells to validate them.

[Pierrot]

Should I remind the people here that the president of the United States is sworn in with his left hand on the Bible. If you're an atheist, or just not a christian, just an other "voodoo" practice ....

Edited February 19, 2009 by Pierrot

[Plus]

I guess this gang of hocus pokus merchants aint the leading lights of the red shirt socialiststhat ole Giles keeps harping on about

Just saw another apt description of Giles from a computer rjournalist, while talking about getting around website bans:

"Giles is a desperate guy whose brain registers are one bit short of a byte"

Giles new blog site is not banned yet, btw. Red Siam is there in both Thai and English.

[hammered]

I guess this gang of hocus pokus merchants aint the leading lights of the red shirt socialiststhat ole Giles keeps harping on about

Just saw another apt description of Giles from a computer rjournalist, while talking about getting around website bans:

"Giles is a desperate guy whose brain registers are one bit short of a byte"

Giles new blog site is not banned yet, btw. Red Siam is there in both Thai and English.

Giles has a piece up in the guardian where he goes on about the burgeoning democracy of Thailand 5 years ago. I think he has forgotten about the drug war, southern massacres, manipulation of press, manipulation of checks and balances etc in his rush to fit everything into a marxist historical analysis. I was actually quite shocked that someone from his background was now overlooking clear human rights breaches to reinvent recent Thai history as some kind of nirvanic democracy under Thaksin.

[Plus]

Well, it was anything but nirvanic and it wasn't democracy, but Thaksin was laying down new rules - he relied on electoral mandate and he instituted policies to appeal to the same classes Giles is so concerned about. Thaksin was a fake, but at least he faked what was of interest to Giles.

That commonality is kepeeng them together. Maybe Giles thinks that they share the same values - why else would Thaksin fake it if he didn't think it was worth anything.

[justanothercybertosser]

Well, it was anything but nirvanic and it wasn't democracy, but Thaksin was laying down new rules - he relied on electoral mandate and he instituted policies to appeal to the same classes Giles is so concerned about. Thaksin was a fake, but at least he faked what was of interest to Giles.

That commonality is kepeeng them together. Maybe Giles thinks that they share the same values - why else would Thaksin fake it if he didn't think it was worth anything.

And maybe not. Giles has been rather clear about that in his manifesto as well.

[hammered]

Maybe we could arrange for Sondhi fully armed with a years supply of used tampons and that old general dude from the Shin clan fully armed with a bunch of pigs heads and a couple of bottles of lao khao to sort it once and for all in a magic voodoo ritual deathmatch. Maybe we should let newin and the Khmer stone mages in too.

oh yeah modern Thailand sorts its problems with technology, reason, debate and rationale.....

[Plus]

What Giles says and what Giles does are completely different things. He has supported Thaksin's agenda for years now, all the while saying that he doesn't support the man himself.

It's like helping to peddle forgery in the name of art appreciation lessons for the public. The forgers laugh all the way to the bank.

[justanothercybertosser]

What Giles says and what Giles does are completely different things. He has supported Thaksin's agenda for years now, all the while saying that he doesn't support the man himself.

It's like helping to peddle forgery in the name of art appreciation lessons for the public. The forgers laugh all the way to the bank.

What then is Thaksin's agenda, and how did this supposed support by Giles express itself?

Please cite supporting evidence. Outrageous theories are always entertaining, but there must be at least a semblance of reasonable argumentation present. Please no statement along the lines of "the earth is flat because it looks like it, and Harry says so as well".

[Pierrot]

What Giles says and what Giles does are completely different things. He has supported Thaksin's agenda for years now, all the while saying that he doesn't support the man himself.

It's like helping to peddle forgery in the name of art appreciation lessons for the public. The forgers laugh all the way to the bank.

Any relation with voodoo ? Or are you just going on with your personnal vendetta with Giles regardless of the subject of the thread ?

[Plus]

I mentioned it already - electoral mandate, populist polices, people power - it's what both Thaksin and Giles talk about all the time.

[justanothercybertosser]

I mentioned it already - electoral mandate, populist polices, people power - it's what both Thaksin and Giles talk about all the time.

That is not even a "harry says so" argument.

You disappoint - i expected to be presented with a really cool conspiracy theory.

[Plus]

Sondhi's use of "voodoo" was ingenious - countering complicated and powerful magic by simply rendering the place unclean. That's one out of the box, assymmetric solution.

One poster earlier implied that all "voodoo" comes from Haiti and was surprised that it spread as far as Thailand. That's just as naive as Thais thinking that they had the first skytrain in Asia.

Other posters stress un-Buddhist nature of the ritual - well, we didn't live in Buddha's times, I'm pretty sure rituals like this were integral part of daily life then. Maybe they are comparing Buddhism to Christianity which stripped its faith of all "magic", but it doesn't mean that it has never been there, especially in Jewish tradition. Maybe it wasn't valued as much as "pure" teachings of either Christ or Buddha, but I doubt they were rejected altogether either. Eastern Othodox still has some mystic sects, afaik. Those slavs didn't care much about Pope and his witchhunts. And in Buddhist countries "animism" is very very common. But, of course, what do they know about Buddhism comparing to our enlightened Western gurus.

I'm not speaking about anyone in particular, just a trend to lecture Thais on their religion.

[Plus]

You disappoint - i expected to be presented with a really cool conspiracy theory.

Something tells me you will survive.

You heard what I said, whether it suits you or not is not my problem. Are you the guy who also insists that Thaksin was never in control of TRT? I'm never going to satisfy your intellectual demands, I can tell you straight away.

[sibeymai]

Thaksin is so full of it I'd be happy if they just had a rite to relieve him.

[LomSak27]

Sondhi's use of "voodoo" was ingenious - countering complicated and powerful magic by simply rendering the place unclean. That's one out of the box, assymmetric solution

well plus sometimes I get lost (of course this is TV!). Just what are you on about here?

[Plus]

well plus sometimes I get lost (of course this is TV!). Just what are you on about here?

Ok, he was facing some powerful Khmer black magic no one really knows about and he needed to protect Rama V statue from it. That's why I think his solution was really brilliant - make the place unclean, no magic, no matter how sophisticated, would ever work, and you don't need any special Khmer experts. Problemo solved.

I don't think it was Sondhi's own idea, btw, I don't think he is that bright, but for the sake of convenience let's say it was Sondhi.

[sriracha john]

Thaksins Emerald Buddha incident, the Erawan shrine conspiracy theory is all predicated on the idea that Thaksin is trying to replace the monarchy.

if only Thaksin had been involved in the Erawan shrine episode... it would have saved Thailand a lot of trouble...

[IraqRon]

Sondhi's use of "voodoo" was ingenious - countering complicated and powerful magic by simply rendering the place unclean. That's one out of the box, assymmetric solution.

One poster earlier implied that all "voodoo" comes from Haiti and was surprised that it spread as far as Thailand. That's just as naive as Thais thinking that they had the first skytrain in Asia.

Other posters stress un-Buddhist nature of the ritual - well, we didn't live in Buddha's times, I'm pretty sure rituals like this were integral part of daily life then. Maybe they are comparing Buddhism to Christianity which stripped its faith of all "magic", but it doesn't mean that it has never been there, especially in Jewish tradition. Maybe it wasn't valued as much as "pure" teachings of either Christ or Buddha, but I doubt they were rejected altogether either. Eastern Othodox still has some mystic sects, afaik. Those slavs didn't care much about Pope and his witchhunts. And in Buddhist countries "animism" is very very common. But, of course, what do they know about Buddhism comparing to our enlightened Western gurus.

I'm not speaking about anyone in particular, just a trend to lecture Thais on their religion.

Since you seem to know it all, tell me for my education, where did what is known as voodoo originate then? And speaking of naive, your contention that making an area, "unclean" renders it imperivous to "magic' is about as absurd as it comes.