Something My Bf Mentioned

[eek]

So are we to believe from his statement Thai women are special paragons of sexual "virtue" and honesty-( particularly toward western men?)

To be honest, I dont think he was really thinking at all. Just blurted out something stupid when he was trying to be sweet and sentimental. His comment was narrow-minded for sure, and based on God only knows what. It gave me a surprise as was so out of character. Thats why I posted here, to gain others perspectives on what Thai men may think about Western women in general.

One thing im pretty sure about though, is that he wasnt thinking as deeply as making some profound statement about the low morals of western women in comparison to highly virtuous Thai women.

[ozzieovaseas]

I was quite surprised that an educated Thai man would think that way. I had thought he would have been able to separate reality from fiction. Makes me wonder if Thai men in general think about Western women as being "easy" or not as honest or something.

Thoughts?

yeh, thats a bit odd coming from a well educated person...maybe its because their first experience of westerners as child comes from movies...and if they have limited contact with westerners in growing up, maybe some of their childhood assumptions are still in the back of the mind

[neverdie]

Dear Redfish44,

Theres not much Dear Neverdie can say about this one. Indeed you bf is being very naughty & not getting ready to eat dinner on time, there is no excuse for this type of behaviour.

yay!

thanks for that - nice to have someone agree with me for a change from the testosterone domain regarding this!

Perhaps you could try to use other persuasive ways to get him away fromt he playstation...

yes there are other ways... but the ones that work as a distraction from the playstation don't exactly lead to going out for food either...

You havent taken one of the natives in have you red? Is this his first home with modern games? How old is he red....do I need to call the BIB? Naughty girl .....I'm afraid it might be time for the playstation to have a serious accident.

He is thai if that's what you mean, mid-late 20s.

The playstation was in his life before me (I believe it may have been responsible for him appearing to me as aloof and mysterious when we first met - he wasn't: in actuality he was just on the playstation upstairs).

Is the BIB a special branch that can result in serious "accidents" to playstations?

...I'm not hungry or annoyed enough to call in the heavies just yet

Your very welcome redfish, now where do I send my invoice? Neverdie's words of wisdom don't come cheap you know

[ozzieovaseas]

To simplify this even further, I would like to point you to a friend of mine, HOMER SIMPSON......Are you familiar with the workings of his brain?......most males operate on this level when it comes to finding things.

You may notice in the picture below an example of the typical male brain....you will notice that the section of the brain devoted to memory & looking for things, called the Occiptal Lobe is very miniscule or non existant.

I hope my answer has helped you, remember only Dear Neverdie can be 100% right about all things all of the time, which is amazing because hes not even female.

Mr Neverdie....your constant and seemingly limitless pearls of wisdom never cease to amaze me!!

With all due respect, me thinks you are certainly wasting your time on tv as such talent should be presevered for quality rags such as the "picture" or "post" magazines in Australia.

Have you ever written professionally?

Im NOT being a smart arse here, indeed i am happy to be able to partake of your wisdom for free!!

[barky]

i wouldnt get upset about that comment,after listening to what greeks,turks,indians,jamaicans,spanish,italians say about western women,this made me cringe,but it is true when on holiday and the drink and hot weather takes over.

they are not very complimentary in the slightest,but the girls think its a lovely romance story.

Your bf thought all western women were like that and these other countries certainly think they are like that.

The worst by far are the uk jamaicans,they say uk women are easy and the jamaican women want committment before bedroom party.

Last I looked Spain and Italy were firmly "ïn the west".

[neverdie]

Ozzie,

dam_n, I thought Thaivisa was a quality RAG! When George sold me my membership, he told me that only the elite were allowed in & soon the joining fees were going up from 1 million to 2 million baht.....so naturally I couldnt get my cash out fast enuf.

Are you trying to tell me that Ive been duped again

Also, if you find yourself understanding what neverdie is talking about, perhaps you should also make an appointment to see his doctors

[barky]

think porn movies have a lot to answer for. There isn't a massive Thai porn industry (by all accounts) and most of the porn seems to come from Japan or the west...ergo all Japanese girls and Western girls are obviously porn stars. Though your man speaks good english, sounds like he hasn't hung around with westerners much otherwise he would have seen that that is a pretty silly statement to make.

Agreed. Also agree that some behaviour of (foreign) women on holiday may support that impression.

Also agree with girlx's comments. She has made it clear that these are generalizations based on her own, quite lengthy experince in the region. They echo my own. There are numerous objective studies on cultural values which would support her views. Sometimes I find that the defensive "anti-generalization of any kind" posts here can work to disallow genuine comment.

Kat, as usual, has made incisive comments.

To some extent, I have to say that the OP may indeed have a somewhat naive understanding of the ways of the Asian male mind. In many cases, it is almost *ipso facto* that you should expect the Asian male's culture to lead, and yours to follow.

Why did this Thai man qualify his comment thus? My first thought was, in fact, not so much about culturally ingrained ideas about non-Thai women but about the possibilty of past experience/s with non-Asian women.

Wish you luck, OP, but it's very much another world you may be joining. If I were you, I'd remove myself from the situation for a while in order to re-assess.

Well said spectrum. I agree with most all that you say. I would however take it a step further by saying that I believe western women have attracted some of this kind of generalised thinking from Thais (men in particular) due to the way some display themselves in public. A case in point, walking along Hua Hin beach a few months ago a lovely specimen of westen womanhood was strolling along the crowded beach fully aware that all the Thai men (and maybe some western men too but far less obvious) all had their tongues hanging out staring, fixated on the woman. As we passed I said to her "ÿour in Thailand now, cover up will ya".

I do find it interesting however that a Thai can have such a negative generalised view of a western woman, yet, turn a blind eye to the fact that Thailand is seen as the prostitute hub of the world. A lot like the pot calling the kettle black I'd say. Hypocracy!

[ozzieovaseas]

Ozzie,

dam_n, I thought Thaivisa was a quality RAG! When George sold me my membership, he told me that only the elite were allowed in & soon the joining fees were going up from 1 million to 2 million baht.....so naturally I couldnt get my cash out fast enuf.

Are you trying to tell me that Ive been duped again

Also, if you find yourself understanding what neverdie is talking about, perhaps you should also make an appointment to see his doctors

Well TV definately is quality, we all agree on that..

And Yes, you've been duped..they should be payin you!!

I can actually relate to most of what you say,so yes that is a worry, but me cant afford the intensive therapy Mr Neverdie must be undertaking

Actually i better shut up else tv might send me a bill

[LadyHeather]

Well said spectrum. I agree with most all that you say. I would however take it a step further by saying that I believe western women have attracted some of this kind of generalised thinking from Thais (men in particular) due to the way some display themselves in public. A case in point, walking along Hua Hin beach a few months ago a lovely specimen of westen womanhood was strolling along the crowded beach fully aware that all the Thai men (and maybe some western men too but far less obvious) all had their tongues hanging out staring, fixated on the woman. As we passed I said to her "ÿour in Thailand now, cover up will ya".

I do find it interesting however that a Thai can have such a negative generalised view of a western woman, yet, turn a blind eye to the fact that Thailand is seen as the prostitute hub of the world. A lot like the pot calling the kettle black I'd say. Hypocracy!

I agree, the hypocrisy is pretty amazing. Especially considering the scanty clothes most girls working in the bars wear out in public and on the streets and then to stare at a western woman on the beach in the daytime in what sounds like a bikini! I mean, really. How dare she. On the beach and in the middle of the day. Shocking.

Edited February 25, 2009 by LadyHeather

[Maigo6]

So are we to believe from his statement Thai women are special paragons of sexual "virtue" and honesty-( particularly toward western men?)

If all you do is see and seek the negative then that is all you will see.

SBK, look through the Horse Doctors posts, and feel the love towards all things Thai....

[Marmelad]

It's so funny he thinks this way about western women, when compared to Thai women they are nuns! And he took it from the movies, whereas Thai women are like this in real life! Quite ridicules for him to think this way...

[sbk]

Depends on the Thai woman. Your broad based generalization based on limited experience is pretty much just like his.

[joopjip]

Maybe a lot of Thai men growing up have seen farang girls on "holiday mode" who dont really have understanding of the culture so dress in ways Thai wouldnt consider appropriate. Even if they are not "bad" girls, their dress and mannerisms reflected a "looser" moral than a "good girl" should have.

I recall once seeing a couple of very pretty girls in Bangkok, tanned, and looked like they had just come from the beach. The were walking around the outer wall of one of the popular Wats (not sure if they were going to go in or not). All eyes were on them, some goggle-eyed, some lust-filled, some looking in disgust. Basically they had very short skirts on, bikini tops, and a loose scarf wound around their necks. I remember the image well because it just seemed so out of place.

I think western females can sometimes present a bad picture in the eyes of other cultures, even if they are truly lovely people. Im not saying its right or wrong (although i think the girls above should have known better), its just we should be aware that how we conduct ourselves in other countries often reflect on our culture/nationality as a whole. Sadly.

I agree with Eek about the holiday mode thing. People tend to be more loose away from home and this goes for both men and women. But you have to be blind to not see how thai girls behave these days and they're not even on holidays! Any western guy who's been to Thailand would say Thai girls are much easier to bed than western girls and I'm not talking about hookers. A guy friend told me you can easily pick up girls from RCA etc. I think the number of motels in this country says it all.

If there's anything bad about western girls I think it's the way they act too much like men sometimes, some can be rude, aggressive and loud while Thai girls are taught to be modest, polite and patient.

[LadyHeather]

Wow, this topic really brings out the sweeping generalizations doesn't it?

[F1fanatic]

So are we to believe from his statement Thai women are special paragons of sexual "virtue" and honesty-( particularly toward western men?)

Who? the boyfriend? I don't have the feeling that is what he was talking about. And I think you tend to have a blinkered view of Thailand based almost entirely on complete and utter negativity. I know many many Thai women who do not jump into bed with anyone, much less some random western man. It all depends on the company you keep as well as the way you choose to perceive the world. If all you do is see and seek the negative then that is all you will see.

Be fair SBK. I think it depends entirely on whereabouts in Thailand you live. Horsedoctor doesn't say his/her location, but if it's a tourist destination then one's perception is bound to be entirely different to those living in areas with few farang about. In tourist areas it is not a case of seeking the negative in sexual behaviour, it's all too obvious!

[Razzler1973]

I wouldn't be that worried. The 'media' has a lot to answer for in shaping western men's views of western women as well as women's views of men. It's going to get more complicated when everyone else has their own interpretations from an outside perspective

[robblok]

I never noticed the media portraying western woman as evil. But it is true in my view that woman in general are much more educated in planning and deceiving then men. Men are in general more straight to the point, its real hard to get a straight answer from a woman.

You might be all overreacting because most people can separate fact from fiction. Do all Thais really act like all those soap opera's they air here ? I doubt Thais expect this, if they do expect our movies to be truthful then there might not think straight. You can only learn about other cultures by interacting and you can't generalize (do it does come in handy at times).

It might be a bit different if the only knowledge you have is from movies but even then people with half a brain should understand that movies seldom depict the reality.

I do get annoyed with other foreigners in holiday mode because they do set a bad example for people living here. But thats life i cant change it.

But going back to my first point woman expect something behind everything and then go on for hours over something that is totally irrelevant for a guy. The poor guy who made the comment probably never expected he did something wrong.

Accept it men in general are different from woman.

[ultrafunkula]

i wouldnt get upset about that comment,after listening to what greeks,turks,indians,jamaicans,spanish,italians say about western women,this made me cringe,but it is true when on holiday and the drink and hot weather takes over.

they are not very complimentary in the slightest,but the girls think its a lovely romance story.

Your bf thought all western women were like that and these other countries certainly think they are like that.

The worst by far are the uk jamaicans,they say uk women are easy and the jamaican women want committment before bedroom party.

Last I looked Spain and Italy were firmly "ïn the west".

and Jamaica only 45 minutes from Miami.... What a load of <deleted>.....

I am Jamiacan, grew up in NYC and Munich and have ben to London a few times well. Never have I heard such rubbish.........