Journalist Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 ^Certainly god help the expats, because Purachai would clean the place up and that would be curtains for naughty nightlife. Thailand doesn't need to be run for the benefit of CNN or the BBC (as someone alludes to above). Its run for the Thai people. A new period of ultra-nationalism is on its way and Thais showing the love for Thais ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 ^Certainly god help the expats, because Purachai would clean the place up and that would be curtains for naughty nightlife.Thailand doesn't need to be run for the benefit of CNN or the BBC (as someone alludes to above). Its run for the Thai people. A new period of ultra-nationalism is on its way and Thais showing the love for Thais ! I read in many articles that it is 90% Thais who enjoy this "naughty nightlife"... Indeed Thai love Thai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 ^Certainly god help the expats, because Purachai would clean the place up and that would be curtains for naughty nightlife.Thailand doesn't need to be run for the benefit of CNN or the BBC (as someone alludes to above). Its run for the Thai people. A new period of ultra-nationalism is on its way and Thais showing the love for Thais ! Purachai has always been insanely popular with social conservatives and that means many in the urban areas who are scared of crime, vice and their kids going "wrong", and many in the rural areas who hold very traditional beliefs. His problem is he has no party or political base. When Thaksin removed him after a problem with bro-in-law Somchai Purachai still had amazing ratings. When any country discusses reconcilliation nationalism wont be far off the agenda, so make you right on that although it may not affect foreigners as much as Thais who are acting "like Thais". Whatever comes out of all this though if it ends up being something most Thai people can coalesce round and leads to harmony will be good and from my perpsective as a foreigner will also be good for foreigners resident here. I choose to live in a country not my own and at the end of the day must respect the way the people want the country to go or the direction in which they tolerate it going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) ^Certainly god help the expats, because Purachai would clean the place up and that would be curtains for naughty nightlife.Thailand doesn't need to be run for the benefit of CNN or the BBC (as someone alludes to above). Its run for the Thai people. A new period of ultra-nationalism is on its way and Thais showing the love for Thais ! I read in many articles that it is 90% Thais who enjoy this "naughty nightlife"... Indeed Thai love Thai! I think social conservatives would just ban our expat nightlife - maybe it'll go 'off-neon' or just disappear. Then the BBC and CNN really will be showing the hot love to the Thai PM who declares that Thailand's most vulnerable, its daughters and sons are verboten. Thats not because the BBC empathise with Thai provinces but because they want to stick it to the westerners who enjoy a few bottles of midnight Singha. Its such an easy thing to achieve, a few rolls of barbed wire. It annoys the Police colonels intensely, but the Police are so out of favour now anyway, who cares about their payola? Edited April 30, 2009 by Journalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HagenvonTronje Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 ^Certainly god help the expats, because Purachai would clean the place up and that would be curtains for naughty nightlife.Thailand doesn't need to be run for the benefit of CNN or the BBC (as someone alludes to above). Its run for the Thai people. A new period of ultra-nationalism is on its way and Thais showing the love for Thais ! I read in many articles that it is 90% Thais who enjoy this "naughty nightlife"... Indeed Thai love Thai! guess you are one of those grandops was talking about in his post. the 'new social order' was praised by many, including TVboard member 'plus'. funsucker policies got demanded by the PAD. thaksin got hated also for his liberal approach - legalise so called social 'vices' like gambling and also prostitution. roots of crimes syndicats and corruption as long in the underground. legalising would be lower corruption and also offer better protection for workers in that sector. but some hard core moralists go total gaga on that issue. why don't have a closer look what Chamlong has to offer? in his recent complains about the abhisit Govm one of his two points was that there was no ban on alcohol. and abhist comes up with a 30 years old scapegoat propaganda of commies & leftist. OMG that greedy 'moeny uber alles' anti-social turbo capitalist thaksin works now together with anti-society and kill the king plotter the commies & leftist. Abhist jumped the shark, The Nation is a sinking ship and the democ'rat' pad is rambling about every step of 'Meow'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 the 'new social order' was praised by many, including TVboard member 'plus' Did you just make it up, Hagenvon? I can't remember myself talking about "new social order" in either positive of negative way, I think I registered two years after it was all over, but since you mentioned it - please refresh my memory with a quote or something. these dregs of society live like kings on the pittance they have Speak for yourself, Granpops. They are the product of the education system that has been put in place by the very people you rail against! So.... is it good or bad? I can't make heads or tails out of it. Nevermind that I simply quoted Pravit from the Nation and personally think he is full of shit and his arguments are crappy. there was also an essence within the PAD of "no taxation, no representation" So we done with blasting new politics for trying to appoint real farmers into parliament and it back to "no representation" again? You know what this argument reminds me of? I once saw two boys playing paper rock scissors, the winner got a right to blast any imaginary opponent with any imaginary weapon. That was all they did - imagine anything you want and beat the crap out of it. Boys were totally absorbed in their dream battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HagenvonTronje Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Purachai has always been insanely popular with social conservatives and that means many in the urban areas who are scared of crime, vice and their kids going "wrong", and many in the rural areas who hold very traditional beliefs. His problem is he has no party or political base. When Thaksin removed him after a problem with bro-in-law Somchai Purachai still had amazing ratings. tell only half of the story and twisting it as well. that simplified black and white picture isn't true. purachai got criticised by dr. pornthip about how the ministry handle certain things and the budget. somchai as then state secretary and then boss of dr. pornthip backed up her claim and spoke also out how purachai handle the things going on in the ministry. thaksins wife, pojamorn, is seen as a very close aide to purachai, and thaksin himself don't take position and said he will not get involved and speak the final word. chamlong srimong was then an avid supporter for purachai. before the quarrel broke out the situation was: somchai wongsawat as permanent official in the justicy ministry got appointed by the democrats, purachai as head of the ministry got appointed by thaksin. purachai is insanely popular with the people, that right. same as the new social order campaign was it or the 'war on drugs'. that part you got right and there i can agree with you. and insanely the right word of choice. without taking further position if those policy have been right or wrong, as observer we must admit it's high popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HagenvonTronje Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 the 'new social order' was praised by many, including TVboard member 'plus' Did you just make it up, Hagenvon? I can't remember myself talking about "new social order" in either positive of negative way, I think I registered two years after it was all over, but since you mentioned it - please refresh my memory with a quote or something. i didn't make that up. purachai it's for a couple of expats like a red rag to a bull. the ones that grandpops was talking about: " the biggest topics of whingeing from falangs was about the crack downs on pole dancing, nudity and bar opening hours. " the journalist came up with the funny slogan "Purachai for Prime Minister !" and hits the nerve of one who think to know it all. thereby is often forgotten the popularity pruachai has within the people. you are one of the few members here pointed that out. he is popular. don't remember? that social conservative view point behind the 'new social order' campaign' , the ideo that people need to be guided or so, was supported by you more than once. like what is your position to the issue when the government ordered a ban of the sale of alcohol on special days? okay, maybe there you see also that is a silly way. but your approach in general on the so called 'social vices', would it be wrong to call your position here a social conservative view? i don't want re-read all that many different topics here, to lazy to search for the smoking ban. not necessary to draf a single quote out of the context. maybe i am guilty of to put it bluntly. the social order campaign was the answr of the government to certain problems in the society. ask yourself, how is your view point on that problems and how should a government handle this. keep hereby also in mindthe aspect of the thailand specific local and cultural distinctions from a western view. are i am really that wrong if i say such a social order policy would get your approval? of course 2001 you havn't been a member of this board, but can we go along how i refomulate the issue and explained what was my intention when i said the the social order campaign was praised by many, including you. for such policies, is a strong positive feedback in the society and maybe not that certain 2001 campaign, but a similiar updated, more wisely handed program and the idea behind -aren't you close to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sao Jiang Mai Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Being popular is not good enough. You must be just and think of the rights and liberty of the entire nation. Thaksin killing 3000 people was popular, it was still unconstitutional. What don't you get about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuian Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Being popular is not good enough. You must be just and think of the rights and liberty of the entire nation. Thaksin killing 3000 people was popular, it was still unconstitutional. What don't you get about that? yes, Mr.Alois Schickelgruber's son, an Austrian, who became the destiny of millions of germans was also once very popular... so was Joseph Stalin with some.. or on the contrary Michael Jackson.. well at least he couldn't hurt someone.... physically! but this poses not as an excuse! Edited April 30, 2009 by Samuian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Doesnt Thailand have some elderly actor that can become Prime Minister, a singer like 'Bird' or a model like 'Look-ked' Like the Philippines it can have celebrity politicians that everyone likes to vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 the 'new social order' was praised by many, including TVboard member 'plus' Did you just make it up, Hagenvon? I can't remember myself talking about "new social order" in either positive of negative way, I think I registered two years after it was all over, but since you mentioned it - please refresh my memory with a quote or something. i didn't make that up. purachai it's for a couple of expats like a red rag to a bull. the ones that grandpops was talking about: " the biggest topics of whingeing from falangs was about the crack downs on pole dancing, nudity and bar opening hours. " grandpops is just the same as you, permanent_disorder... a multi-ID troll... as he joined only this last October... and how many posts regarding Purachai have there been out of the thousands posted in that time? 2? 3? the heyday of purachai-bashing on thaivisa was ages ago... a lot longer than only this past October. You guys are just a waste of everyone's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony77 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Thai politicians are loyal to one thing and that's their bank balance. They will suck up to whoever gets them the biggest payback and up to now they've all believed it was Thaksin that filled the boots. Now there are seeds of doubt in the ranks and they are desperately seeking a new ticket to the feeding trough. Anyone, or anything wll do just as long as they get there and most of these people would sell their mother's soul to the devil to achieve their aims and pad out their pockets. It will be interesting to see a new line up if the ex TRT mp' s are pardoned. I don't think many of them will support Taksins PTP in the next election. Some will support the democrats and some Newins party and the rest might form thier own. It will be a democrat party that wins with support of Newins party and then perhaps Thailand can go forward again with at least a honest and respected leader in Abhisit even if he is elitist. Quite frankly I can't see why some people are so against "elitism". It has worked well for Singapore and many other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HagenvonTronje Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) purachai it's for a couple of expats like a red rag to a bull. the ones that grandpops was talking about: " the biggest topics of whingeing from falangs was about the crack downs on pole dancing, nudity and bar opening hours. " grandpops is just the same as you, permanent_disorder... a multi-ID troll... as he joined only this last October... and how many posts regarding Purachai have there been out of the thousands posted in that time? 2? 3? the heyday of purachai-bashing on thaivisa was ages ago... a lot longer than only this past October. You guys are just a waste of everyone's time. drop a name like Purachai and you get immediately "thaksin the most evil" trolls jumping on that. that proves grandpops sentence. how many post blaming thaksin for all and everything have ben here - thousands and more. how many post take the time to get a view that is little bit more differentiated? is that a waste of time? as the board member hagler said it: passing copypasta of The Nation as News is a waste of time. but because i am a positive thinking person, i say that to read the Nation is a great way of waste my time. The Nation, thailand biggest english speaking waste of paper daily, serves a lot of different people. thaksin haters praise The Nation, you take The Nation as a source of news, plus likes the writings of Thanong, The Nations editor, A. adamantly defends The Nation. and me, myself and i? i love The Nation, The Nation gives me so much fun. PROTIP!: you wanna hunt multi- ID accounts? you should check plus+ and plus. Edited April 30, 2009 by HagenvonTronje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Even in the most egalitarian communist society there is STILL elites of some flavor running things, it is part of the human condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 purachai it's for a couple of expats like a red rag to a bull. the ones that grandpops was talking about: " the biggest topics of whingeing from falangs was about the crack downs on pole dancing, nudity and bar opening hours. " grandpops is just the same as you, permanent_disorder... a multi-ID troll... as he joined only this last October... and how many posts regarding Purachai have there been out of the thousands posted in that time? 2? 3? the heyday of purachai-bashing on thaivisa was ages ago... a lot longer than only this past October. You guys are just a waste of everyone's time. < blathering snipped > Thank you for not denying you are the banned member, permanent_disorder. It's the only honest thing you've done since you returned here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Even in the most egalitarian communist society there is STILL elites of some flavor running things, it is part of the human condition. Agreed! How many of the koo's and pluses and norwegan honerifics identify with Roi-Et taxi drivers or the industrious girls that come from Issan? At a guess...none! The human condition is to consider yourself smarter and more logical than anyone else...everyone is an "elite" in their own mind...time to close the thread, people are starting to repeat themselves Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Only now starting to repeat themselves LOL :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Clifton Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) Seems to me the rats must've still been wet from the previous shipwrecks with Thaksin at the helm. Edited May 1, 2009 by Tony Clifton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 shouldn't the heading be written in the past tense - sunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsun240Z Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 It wasn't Thaksin that caused all the trouble. Other corrupt people did. The man wants to make a democracy of Thailand, that is good, that means open borders in trading and foreigner business, more future development and making Thailand a modern country. Maybe he was a bit hard on some policies, but he needed to. Not saying, anything the king himself, but Thailand should wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 It wasn't Thaksin that caused all the trouble. Other corrupt people did. The man wants to make a democracy of Thailand, that is good, that means open borders in trading and foreigner business, more future development and making Thailand a modern country. Maybe he was a bit hard on some policies, but he needed to. Not saying, anything the king himself, but Thailand should wake up. Thailand did wake up, and got rid of the crook. Sounds like you're still dreaming though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 It wasn't Thaksin that caused all the trouble. Other corrupt people did. The man wants to make a democracy of Thailand, that is good, that means open borders in trading and foreigner business, more future development and making Thailand a modern country. Maybe he was a bit hard on some policies, but he needed to. Not saying, anything the king himself, but Thailand should wake up. What you mean"a bit hard"?Are you referring to the 2500 extrajudicial killings in the "war of drugs"?Of course it was not Thaksin who caused the "trouble",he was just giving orders..Is it Thailand or you that need to wake up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) It wasn't Thaksin that caused all the trouble. Other corrupt people did. The man wants to make a democracy of Thailand, that is good, that means open borders in trading and foreigner business, more future development and making Thailand a modern country. Maybe he was a bit hard on some policies, but he needed to. Not saying, anything the king himself, but Thailand should wake up. What you mean"a bit hard"?Are you referring to the 2500 extrajudicial killings in the "war of drugs"?Of course it was not Thaksin who caused the "trouble",he was just giving orders..Is it Thailand or you that need to wake up? and to mention the "Tak Bai Incident" where he provided "transport" for the people who were "too weak from fasting". I'll never get these pictures out of my head! A disgrace! Edited May 1, 2009 by webfact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 The human condition is to consider yourself smarter and more logical than anyone else...everyone is an "elite" in their own mind...time to close the thread, people are starting to repeat themselves Please? Your wish is granted..... You are all going round in circles, as usual.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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