Pm Vows Reconciliation In 8 Months

[webfact]

PM vows reconciliation in 8 months

By Piyanart Srivalo

The Nation

Published on May 1, 2009

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday pledged to resolve animosity between rival groups and foster reconciliation in six to eight months to pave the way for a snap election.

"If things proceed as anticipated, then I aim to steer the country out of the present turmoil and bring about normalcy in six to eight months, following which I won't mind dissolving the House," he said.

Abhisit warned, however, that he was still concerned about the power struggle, particularly the threat by certain individuals from the red-shirt crowd to perpetrate violence.

All parties are obligated to push for reconciliation to pre-empt the fractious politics from degenerating into an armed struggle, he said.

Since the government came to power three months ago, it had underestimated the red-shirt protests, he said.

The policy of tolerance did not work to keep peace because certain elements within the red-shirt crowd were bent on violence. The so-called peaceful rally became unruly before degenerating into riots.

From their speeches, red-shirt leaders clearly incited mayhem, such as the road blockades, the arson attacks and the aggravated assaults on government figures.

The prime minister said his government was willing to cooperate with the investigation into the anti-riot operations to dispel lingering doubts about the use of excessive force and ensure transparency about the emergency rule.

He said the legislative branch will take the lead role in bringing about reconciliation and that he is to focus on restoring confidence.

In the coming months, the government will focus on hosting the Summit of Asian leaders, he said. One of the priorities to fight economic woes is to draft the investment framework to jump-start the economy, he added.

Major economies are now seeing signs of an earlier-than-expected recovery, hence there is cause for optimism that Thailand too might overcome its economic woes, he said.

Should the political reconciliation materialise and the economy show signs of recovery by the year's end, the government will be ready to return its mandate to the people for charting the future course, he said.

-- The Nation 2009-05-01

[JetsetBkk]

PM vows reconciliation in 8 months

By Piyanart Srivalo

The Nation

Published on May 1, 2009

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday pledged to resolve animosity between rival groups and foster reconciliation in six to eight months to pave the way for a snap election...

Hmmm. Eight months notice of a snap election.

Interesting concept.

I wonder what he actually said in Thai.

[Plus]

It's nothing, just a regular pep talk to show people that he is in charge.

Or, for conspiracy theorists, he got inside information from the courts that in eight months Thaksin will have nothing to fight for left, and on their own red leaders are not a threat.

[webfact]

PM vows reconciliation in 8 months

By Piyanart Srivalo

The Nation

Published on May 1, 2009

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday pledged to resolve animosity between rival groups and foster reconciliation in six to eight months to pave the way for a snap election...

Hmmm. Eight months notice of a snap election.

Interesting concept.

I wonder what he actually said in Thai.

Yes indeed it would be of very interest to know if the bold marked part of the last sentence has actually the same meaning in Thai language.

[Thai at Heart]

He's got to achieve reconciliation first. How very modern and businesslike to give a tight time frame to the plan. Unfortunately politics never works that way.

It does give him an in built chance to walk away if he can't achieve it.

[animatic]

PM vows reconciliation in 8 months

By Piyanart Srivalo

The Nation

Published on May 1, 2009

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday pledged to resolve animosity between rival groups and foster reconciliation in six to eight months to pave the way for a snap election...

Hmmm. Eight months notice of a snap election.

Interesting concept.

I wonder what he actually said in Thai.

Yes indeed it would be of very interest to know if the bold marked part of the last sentence has actually the same meaning in Thai language.

Snap Election is just the generic term for any election before a term is officially up.

Sometimes it IS called very fast like the 2006 one Thaksin called to

white wash his Temasek deal and theoretically achieve a new mandate POST Temasek.

But his team screwed up and he had lost control of his 'purchased Election Commision',

and he became a lame duck Caretaker Prime Minister,

and while attempting to set up another jiggered election he was ousted.

"If things proceed as anticipated, then I aim to steer the country out of the present turmoil

and bring about normalcy in six to eight months,

following which I won't mind dissolving the House," he said.

So stating that the aim is for a Post Thaksin era Snap Election before the 5 years after the 2007 official election,

is just saying it is possible if things calm down.

PROVIDED conditions return to something resembling normalcy.

He is holding out a carrot to those NOT directly on Thaksin's payroll

to sideline the instigators of trouble sooner than later...

Hello Chalerm, JakiboyPop and Jatuporno, <deleted>; in essence

Edited May 1, 2009 by animatic

[dbrenn]

PM vows reconciliation in 8 months

By Piyanart Srivalo

The Nation

Published on May 1, 2009

And this is news? Tell us another one, just like the other one.

That's all that successive Democrat governments could ever do - promises, vows, assurances - all coming to nothing more than factional infighting and bickering. Nothing of substance for your average Thai.

Actions speak louder than words, and Abhisit is reduced to babbling about yet another rehash of the constitution, and thinly veiled acceptance that he has no other choice than to call an election. Give us a government that actually commands a majority in parliament.

[hammered]

PM vows reconciliation in 8 months

By Piyanart Srivalo

The Nation

Published on May 1, 2009

And this is news? Tell us another one, just like the other one.

That's all that successive Democrat governments could ever do - promises, vows, assurances - all coming to nothing more than factional infighting and bickering. Nothing of substance for your average Thai.

Actions speak louder than words, and Abhisit is reduced to babbling about yet another rehash of the constitution, and thinly veiled acceptance that he has no other choice than to call an election. Give us a government that actually commands a majority in parliament.

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

People should try and get behind this initiative as the only option is more idiocy on the streets leading to more hatred and violence and at this point with a strong likelihood of more vigilante action against reds or yellows if they go too far. Negotiation is the way ahead imho. Seems a lot want to see more knuckles though

[thaiwanderer]

but if the animosity is resolved why the need for an election before the term is up?

having another early election does not legitimise the resultant government instead it further erodes legitimacy of any election results

[dbrenn]

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

Wrong. The Democrat Party occupies only 173 seats. By any definition of basic mathematics, that's a hung parliament, not an overall majority. Hung parliaments in Thailand have always played out the same way: powerless coalitions that veto real progress for the man in the street, in favour of petty intrigue and factional, often personal interests. None of them has ever lasted a full term.

Speaking volumes is the simple fact that Abhisit still hasn't managed to achieve anything concrete since he was installed by his military masters, other than making vows and assurances. Making promises is something that the Dems have had a lot of practice in doing over the years.

Edited May 1, 2009 by dbrenn

[webfact]

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

Wrong. The Democrat Party occupies only 173 seats. By any definition of basic mathematics, that's a hung parliament, not an overall majority. Hung parliaments in Thailand have always played out the same way: powerless coalitions that veto real progress for the man in the street, in favour of petty intrigue and factional, often personal interests. None of them has ever lasted a full term.

Speaking volumes is the simple fact that Abhisit still hasn't managed to achieve anything concrete since he was installed by his military masters, other than making vows and assurances. Making promises is something that the Dems have had a lot of practice in doing over the years.

May I remind that Mr. Abhisit won his confidence vote in parliament. Even some votes came from the opposition.

So, he got a mandate from your political brothers and sisters as well, right? I know it is hard to lose face and admit you have failed not only in parliament but in the entire country.

[thaiwanderer]

how is reconciliation possible when he is also making stupid and dangerous comments about communism, hok tulaa anyone?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...ommunism-exists

[h90]

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

Wrong. The Democrat Party occupies only 173 seats. By any definition of basic mathematics, that's a hung parliament, not an overall majority. Hung parliaments in Thailand have always played out the same way: powerless coalitions that veto real progress for the man in the street, in favour of petty intrigue and factional, often personal interests. None of them has ever lasted a full term.

Speaking volumes is the simple fact that Abhisit still hasn't managed to achieve anything concrete since he was installed by his military masters, other than making vows and assurances. Making promises is something that the Dems have had a lot of practice in doing over the years.

May I remind that Mr. Abhisit won his confidence vote in parliament. Even some votes came from the opposition.

So, he got a mandate from your political brothers and sisters as well, right? I know it is hard to lose face and admit you have failed not only in parliament but in the entire country.

Loosing face is not hard for the red. Loosing power and money is.

[Oberkommando]

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

Wrong. The Democrat Party occupies only 173 seats. By any definition of basic mathematics, that's a hung parliament, not an overall majority. Hung parliaments in Thailand have always played out the same way: powerless coalitions that veto real progress for the man in the street, in favour of petty intrigue and factional, often personal interests. None of them has ever lasted a full term.

Speaking volumes is the simple fact that Abhisit still hasn't managed to achieve anything concrete since he was installed by his military masters, other than making vows and assurances. Making promises is something that the Dems have had a lot of practice in doing over the years.

May I remind that Mr. Abhisit won his confidence vote in parliament. Even some votes came from the opposition.

So, he got a mandate from your political brothers and sisters as well, right? I know it is hard to lose face and admit you have failed not only in parliament but in the entire country.

May I remind only after a military coup, a judicial coup, losing a general election, a junta, banning as many of the opposition as possible, airport closures, militant protests etc, etc, etc.

[LawnGnome]

The great youtube arranger who did the Thaksin Rap and the Samak Rap is at it again. This time with a Mark Rap.

You can see it here.

[mc2]

The great youtube arranger who did the Thaksin Rap and the Samak Rap is at it again. This time with a Mark Rap.

You can see it here.

[fred2007]

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

Wrong. The Democrat Party occupies only 173 seats. By any definition of basic mathematics, that's a hung parliament, not an overall majority. Hung parliaments in Thailand have always played out the same way: powerless coalitions that veto real progress for the man in the street, in favour of petty intrigue and factional, often personal interests. None of them has ever lasted a full term.

Speaking volumes is the simple fact that Abhisit still hasn't managed to achieve anything concrete since he was installed by his military masters, other than making vows and assurances. Making promises is something that the Dems have had a lot of practice in doing over the years.

May I remind that Mr. Abhisit won his confidence vote in parliament. Even some votes came from the opposition.

So, he got a mandate from your political brothers and sisters as well, right? I know it is hard to lose face and admit you have failed not only in parliament but in the entire country.

I agree

[HagenvonTronje]

how is reconciliation possible when he is also making stupid and dangerous comments about communism, hok tulaa anyone?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...ommunism-exists

amazing, isn't?

that reconciliation is nothing more than BLAH.

[h90]

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

Wrong. The Democrat Party occupies only 173 seats. By any definition of basic mathematics, that's a hung parliament, not an overall majority. Hung parliaments in Thailand have always played out the same way: powerless coalitions that veto real progress for the man in the street, in favour of petty intrigue and factional, often personal interests. None of them has ever lasted a full term.

Speaking volumes is the simple fact that Abhisit still hasn't managed to achieve anything concrete since he was installed by his military masters, other than making vows and assurances. Making promises is something that the Dems have had a lot of practice in doing over the years.

May I remind that Mr. Abhisit won his confidence vote in parliament. Even some votes came from the opposition.

So, he got a mandate from your political brothers and sisters as well, right? I know it is hard to lose face and admit you have failed not only in parliament but in the entire country.

May I remind only after a military coup, a judicial coup, losing a general election, a junta, banning as many of the opposition as possible, airport closures, militant protests etc, etc, etc.

again:

there was a general election

the banned one were not banned without reason, they were because of fraud. Than there were BY-ELECTIONS in which people could vote again.

Than there was a confidence vote in the parliament and he won that as well.

And which general election did he "lose"???? An who would have been the winner?

He has now the same coalition partners as TRT=PPP=PTP had.

[ThNiner]

The great youtube arranger who did the Thaksin Rap and the Samak Rap is at it again. This time with a Mark Rap.

You can see it here.

If you knew Thai, it would be even funnier because you would understand that the maker of the clip tried to put Khun Abhisit's words such as "key" (or feces in Thai) and other humorous things with the name of your beloved fugitive. For example, (s)he put "Karn chab"=Arrest with "Key"=Piece of sh*t..... Hope you get the idea.

Edited May 1, 2009 by ThNiner

[Koo82]

That's all that successive Democrat governments could ever do - promises, vows, assurances

Anyone wonders why people voted for a person who does not talk well in both Thai and English?

Because he works well. Khun Thaksin is most suitable for the PM position. Abhisit is best to be a spokesman or head of opposition party.

[Koo82]

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

Almost every government wins the censure vote because they had enough vote to be government not long ago.

[Koo82]

The great youtube arranger who did the Thaksin Rap and the Samak Rap is at it again. This time with a Mark Rap.

You can see it here.

Thanks people.

I didn't laugh like this for so long.

Nice job. I heard a lot of "key" or "kee" and "catch kee"

Edited May 1, 2009 by Koo82

[webfact]

That's all that successive Democrat governments could ever do - promises, vows, assurances

Anyone wonders why people voted for a person who does not talk well in both Thai and English?

Because he works well. Khun Thaksin is most suitable for the PM position. Abhisit is best to be a spokesman or head of opposition party.

after reading this post I must admit I am not able to relate to your postings anymore.

Ain't got now idea what do you want to achieve or "say" with these confusing postings!

[Old Man River]

This government do command a majority in parliament as shown by their easily winning the censure vote with an increasedmargin over what the PM was initailly slected by.

Almost every government wins the censure vote because they had enough vote to be government not long ago.

You obviously didn't read Hammered's post too well before you responded. Read it again and note that his point is not that they won the censure vote, but that they won by more votes than they originally had when selected by parliament to govern the country. That means, this government has increased in popularity and have gained the support of some MP's that originally voted against it.

[Koo82]

That's all that successive Democrat governments could ever do - promises, vows, assurances

Anyone wonders why people voted for a person who does not talk well in both Thai and English?

Because he works well. Khun Thaksin is most suitable for the PM position. Abhisit is best to be a spokesman or head of opposition party.

after reading this post I must admit I am not able to relate to your postings anymore.

Ain't got now idea what do you want to achieve or "say" with these confusing postings!

Easy English:

Khun Thaksin does not speak well but work well, so he won 2 elections.

Abhisit and Democrat Party only speak well and cannot work well.

[Koo82]

You obviously didn't read Hammered's post too well before you responded. Read it again and note that his point is not that they won the censure vote, but that they won by more votes than they originally had when selected by parliament to govern the country. That means, this government has increased in popularity and have gained the support of some MP's that originally voted against it.

From what I count, Abhisit's party has 165, and Peua Thai has about 182.

Abhisit won because small parties voted for him, after the hugging with Newin and the help from army. If you count the party vote alone, Peua Thai still has more.

[animatic]

You obviously didn't read Hammered's post too well before you responded. Read it again and note that his point is not that they won the censure vote, but that they won by more votes than they originally had when selected by parliament to govern the country. That means, this government has increased in popularity and have gained the support of some MP's that originally voted against it.

From what I count, Abhisit's party has 165, and Peua Thai has about 182.

Abhisit won because small parties voted for him, after the hugging with Newin and the help from army. If you count the party vote alone, Peua Thai still has more.

Koo you are still completely missing the point

During the censure vote, LESS PTP mp's voted against them

than voted against them during the post-hug ELECTION of the Dems.

In other words ;

PTP couldn't even keep it's OWN team from Backing ABHISIT.

The Dems got MORE VOTES FOR THEM THAN AGAINST during the censure vote

including many of those 180 PTP members.

So how do you explain the Dems getting MORE support in the legislature,

4 months after they formed a government,

including from MORE VOTES FROM PTP MEMBERS???

The PTP ship is sinking in their own foaming blather.

They are talking their party into the ground.

Edited May 1, 2009 by animatic

[Koo82]

If all of the voting had happened after the election, I would not say anything.

After the election, members took out their calculators. At this point PPP had 233 members, Democrat had 145, so if the small parties voted for Abhisit, Abhisit still could not win. That was why Khun Samak became PM.

That's the main point.

Then they knocked Khun Samak, and dissolved PPP, banned some 37 politicians.

From what I heard, politicians were instructed by the army to vote for Abhisit. It was different that when people voted for Khun Samak and Khun Somchai, no army instructed people to do so.

Let's go back to the time Thai Rak Thai had 377 members after election. Votes in Parliament of small parties and Newin group were not important. Khun Thaksin would still be PM if they had not made a coup. If they hadn't made the new Constitution Law, 111 + 37 members would still have been with us and no way Abhisit could hold power.

And now is the time for each party to take out their calculators again. Who has power now can get them easily. Not all of them but some.

[Koo82]

If you knew Thai, it would be even funnier because you would understand that the maker of the clip tried to put Khun Abhisit's words such as "key" (or feces in Thai) and other humorous things with the name of your beloved fugitive. For example, (s)he put "Karn chab"=Arrest with "Key"=Piece of sh*t..... Hope you get the idea.

Khun ThNiner, this one is even better. Maew rap