Pattaya Pros And Cons

[Chaimai]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

I am also a hansum man - The difference in my case is 20 years in age (vs 6 years in UK)

(Oh - and the divorce costs in the UK were far far higher than any money I may "invest" in Thailand.

[tropo]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

A lot of Western women pay their own way. I've never had to support a girlfriend back at home as they've always had their own income, and often more than mine. They were with me because they liked me. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not so in the East....sure, they may still like me, but without the support the relationship would not exist.

What's the difference you asked?

In the East I'm a 50 year old man with a 21 year old girl. Back at home I'm with women around my age or within 10 years of it.

You cannot seperate the P4P element from a relationship in the East no matter how much the girl likes you. I'm sure a lot of guys with steady relationships in the East wish they were still paying nightly as they discovered the payments became much steeper with the steady girl.

[gmac]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

A lot of Western women pay their own way. I've never had to support a girlfriend back at home as they've always had their own income, and often more than mine. They were with me because they liked me. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not so in the East....sure, they may still like me, but without the support the relationship would not exist.

What's the difference you asked?

In the East I'm a 50 year old man with a 21 year old girl. Back at home I'm with women around my age or within 10 years of it.

You cannot seperate the P4P element from a relationship in the East no matter how much the girl likes you. I'm sure a lot of guys with steady relationships in the East wish they were still paying nightly as they discovered the payments became much steeper with the steady girl.

I have reached the point where I shall gracefully withdraw from the discussion. My girlfriends in the West were also up to 20 years younger than me, here in the East my latest companion was 18 years my junior. I first met her in a restaurant over 8 years ago and we have been friends thoughout that time although have both been in other relationships. There was no financial commitment whatsoever. She had a job which supported her, I paid for meals and drinks when we went out. We are not together as a couple at the moment but still meet up as friends frequently. Much as you fail to believe it I think she may actually like me! No money changes hands, I take her out as I would in the UK, you presumably would demand any lady back in the East pay for her own meal.

As I said at the start I am now bored with this thread and will take no further part.

[thaimate]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

A lot of Western women pay their own way. I've never had to support a girlfriend back at home as they've always had their own income, and often more than mine. They were with me because they liked me. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not so in the East....sure, they may still like me, but without the support the relationship would not exist.

What's the difference you asked?

In the East I'm a 50 year old man with a 21 year old girl. Back at home I'm with women around my age or within 10 years of it.

You cannot seperate the P4P element from a relationship in the East no matter how much the girl likes you. I'm sure a lot of guys with steady relationships in the East wish they were still paying nightly as they discovered the payments became much steeper with the steady girl.

Come on that is so unfair and not to put to fine a point on it "crap" i dont want to be rude but you really cannot judge everybodys relationships by yours or someone you know!!

i also in the west was married to a woman 10 years my junior ,then had an extremely long relationship with a woman 17 years my junior ,my Thai wife is 22 years younger than me and her familly although not rich are not poor either ,i would call them lower middle class. apart from her young brother (we wont go there) i have never been asked for a penny ,in England my wife worked and contributed to the home ,here in Thailand i am the provider ,but apart from shoes ,which she seems to find as wonderfull as me she never wants any money ,however our 15 year old son is a different matter not everyone is the same.

[Ulysses G.]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

A lot of Western women pay their own way. I've never had to support a girlfriend back at home as they've always had their own income, and often more than mine. They were with me because they liked me. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not so in the East....sure, they may still like me, but without the support the relationship would not exist.

What's the difference you asked?

In the East I'm a 50 year old man with a 21 year old girl. Back at home I'm with women around my age or within 10 years of it.

You cannot seperate the P4P element from a relationship in the East no matter how much the girl likes you. I'm sure a lot of guys with steady relationships in the East wish they were still paying nightly as they discovered the payments became much steeper with the steady girl.

As far as I am concerned tropo, you are honest and forthright and correct on just about every subject concerning Thailand. Keep fighting the good fight. Don't let all the phonies get you down!

[lalana]

I was genuinely amused at post number "14" from our venerable Moderator "Soundman", when he expressed the wish.........

"Could we please leave the "pro" (fessionals) out of this discussion." .

This is a thread about the pro's and con's of Pattaya and therefore begs the question as to how on Earth the oldest profession

in the world could not at some stage figure in the "pro/con-analysis'?????

This is NOT an inflammatory or baiting post but merely a statement of the obvious I feel.........that a 'HUGE" part of the fabric

of this city revolves around bedroom-gymnastics,this City is one of the premier outdoor brothels in the world and is one of the

most decisive factors in the decision for many to come to Pattaya.

Yes,it's got Bruno's/Casa Pascal/Golf Courses/Expat Clubs/Beaches/Malls and Great Movie Theatres etc.. etc.. blad-de-blah

but it's heart and soul is the naughty adult night-time option,let's be honest.

So my thoughts I suppose are of not trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and call a spade a spade.

Lets use the analogy of Pattaya being the planet Earth(stay with me).The aforementioned Restaurants/sports-choices/Shopping

etc.. would to me be similar to let's say the Sea,Land and all Man-made surface influences...............Then Prostitution would be like

the Earth's "Inner and Outer Core",and the spinning process that gives us our Magnetic field.

The "surface"/Restaurants,Shopping etc... is to be respected and enjoyed but the heart and soul of it all is the

"Central Core'/prostitution...and without that all else would fall apart.

The Mantle and solid core of our planet that keeps us all alive is taken for granted...just as is the availability to purchase sex for

a relatively small-fee in Pattaya,but take away that Central Core and the effect would be devastating,classic trickle-down economics.

Where I myself stand on P4P etc is an entirely different thread....if the Thread had been on the Pro's and Con's of Thailand I would of

course not have written in this manner,but this is "Pattaya"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A thread about the virtue/vice of Pattaya(but not discussing Hookers!!) is a bit like having an in-depth discussion on

Indigenous Eskimos' lifestyle but not discussing Ice and Snow........just not realistic,I'm afraid.

[tropo]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

A lot of Western women pay their own way. I've never had to support a girlfriend back at home as they've always had their own income, and often more than mine. They were with me because they liked me. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not so in the East....sure, they may still like me, but without the support the relationship would not exist.

What's the difference you asked?

In the East I'm a 50 year old man with a 21 year old girl. Back at home I'm with women around my age or within 10 years of it.

You cannot seperate the P4P element from a relationship in the East no matter how much the girl likes you. I'm sure a lot of guys with steady relationships in the East wish they were still paying nightly as they discovered the payments became much steeper with the steady girl.

I have reached the point where I shall gracefully withdraw from the discussion. My girlfriends in the West were also up to 20 years younger than me, here in the East my latest companion was 18 years my junior. I first met her in a restaurant over 8 years ago and we have been friends thoughout that time although have both been in other relationships. There was no financial commitment whatsoever. She had a job which supported her, I paid for meals and drinks when we went out. We are not together as a couple at the moment but still meet up as friends frequently. Much as you fail to believe it I think she may actually like me! No money changes hands, I take her out as I would in the UK, you presumably would demand any lady back in the East pay for her own meal.

As I said at the start I am now bored with this thread and will take no further part.

Great, then there is no need for you to bore us with a reply.

You state you "are not together as a couple at the moment". It's an off and on relationship?

What's the point of telling me about a failed relationship to prove a point.

[tropo]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

A lot of Western women pay their own way. I've never had to support a girlfriend back at home as they've always had their own income, and often more than mine. They were with me because they liked me. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not so in the East....sure, they may still like me, but without the support the relationship would not exist.

What's the difference you asked?

In the East I'm a 50 year old man with a 21 year old girl. Back at home I'm with women around my age or within 10 years of it.

You cannot seperate the P4P element from a relationship in the East no matter how much the girl likes you. I'm sure a lot of guys with steady relationships in the East wish they were still paying nightly as they discovered the payments became much steeper with the steady girl.

Come on that is so unfair and not to put to fine a point on it "crap" i dont want to be rude but you really cannot judge everybodys relationships by yours or someone you know!!

i also in the west was married to a woman 10 years my junior ,then had an extremely long relationship with a woman 17 years my junior ,my Thai wife is 22 years younger than me and her familly although not rich are not poor either ,i would call them lower middle class. apart from her young brother (we wont go there) i have never been asked for a penny ,in England my wife worked and contributed to the home ,here in Thailand i am the provider ,but apart from shoes ,which she seems to find as wonderfull as me she never wants any money ,however our 15 year old son is a different matter not everyone is the same.

You need to wake up and stop being so sensitive... and if you don't want to be rude, then just cut out the "crap".

Where are you hiding?

Obviously what I stated is not accurate for EVERY relationship in the East and West as there are always exceptions (perhaps you're one), but you'd have to be clinically blind not to see that it is accurate for the majority.

Edited July 17, 2009 by tropo

[BusyBee123]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

A lot of Western women pay their own way. I've never had to support a girlfriend back at home as they've always had their own income, and often more than mine. They were with me because they liked me. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not so in the East....sure, they may still like me, but without the support the relationship would not exist.

What's the difference you asked?

In the East I'm a 50 year old man with a 21 year old girl. Back at home I'm with women around my age or within 10 years of it.

You cannot seperate the P4P element from a relationship in the East no matter how much the girl likes you. I'm sure a lot of guys with steady relationships in the East wish they were still paying nightly as they discovered the payments became much steeper with the steady girl.

Come on that is so unfair and not to put to fine a point on it "crap" i dont want to be rude but you really cannot judge everybodys relationships by yours or someone you know!!

i also in the west was married to a woman 10 years my junior ,then had an extremely long relationship with a woman 17 years my junior ,my Thai wife is 22 years younger than me and her familly although not rich are not poor either ,i would call them lower middle class. apart from her young brother (we wont go there) i have never been asked for a penny ,in England my wife worked and contributed to the home ,here in Thailand i am the provider ,but apart from shoes ,which she seems to find as wonderfull as me she never wants any money ,however our 15 year old son is a different matter not everyone is the same.

You need to wake up and stop being so sensitive... and if you don't want to be rude, then just cut out the "crap".

Where are you hiding?

Obviously what I stated is not accurate for EVERY relationship in the East and West as there are always exceptions (perhaps you're one), but you'd have to be clinically blind not to see that it is accurate for the majority.

this is bizarre! i know when i hit 50 which is many years away i will not be attracted to 21 year olds for a relationship FACT, P4P YEP, anything other than that is just weird.

[tropo]

this is bizarre! i know when i hit 50 which is many years away i will not be attracted to 21 year olds for a relationship FACT, P4P YEP, anything other than that is just weird.

If you come from wherever you're hiding you'll find such relationships are extremely common in this neck of the woods and many work out just fine.

Of course you're far too young to understand right now because any girl 30 years younger than you has probably not yet been born.

Edited July 17, 2009 by tropo

[BusyBee123]

i'm not hiding anywhere! i think i have got it now though, you live in a tiny tiny minority of people in the world of which the majority of the minority are weird. Thanks for the clarification. I also know you are in denial as 99.9% of your majority in your minority world of relationships fail. Enjoy it though i dont have anything against it just not for me.

[soundman]

I was genuinely amused at post number "14" from our venerable Moderator "Soundman", when he expressed the wish.........

"Could we please leave the "pro" (fessionals) out of this discussion." .

This is a thread about the pro's and con's of Pattaya and therefore begs the question as to how on Earth the oldest profession

in the world could not at some stage figure in the "pro/con-analysis'?????

This is NOT an inflammatory or baiting post but merely a statement of the obvious I feel.........that a 'HUGE" part of the fabric

of this city revolves around bedroom-gymnastics,this City is one of the premier outdoor brothels in the world and is one of the

most decisive factors in the decision for many to come to Pattaya.

My statement is a gentle reminder that we have forum rules specifying that we may acknowledge prostitution exists, however, Thai Visa is not the web site to discuss any specifics of that industry. Many other sites out there for those type of discussions.

Why, you may ask, does a reminder need to be posted? Quite simple. Six thousand plus posts of experience seeing where these types of discussions lead, and pro-actively protecting the discussion partcipants from going out of bounds.

Hope this clarifies Thai Visa's position on this issue.

[thaimate]

Just as they are in the West! Any relationship costs, what I'm staying is that I don't do one nighters, afternooners etc and have no interest in that side of the Pattaya life. Sure I know its the security and comfort, sexy man though I am , that they are after but there is no financial arrangement as such. We share a life together and I pay the bills. But then that's what I did when I was in the Uk so where's the difference?

A lot of Western women pay their own way. I've never had to support a girlfriend back at home as they've always had their own income, and often more than mine. They were with me because they liked me. Nothing more, nothing less.

It is not so in the East....sure, they may still like me, but without the support the relationship would not exist.

What's the difference you asked?

In the East I'm a 50 year old man with a 21 year old girl. Back at home I'm with women around my age or within 10 years of it.

You cannot seperate the P4P element from a relationship in the East no matter how much the girl likes you. I'm sure a lot of guys with steady relationships in the East wish they were still paying nightly as they discovered the payments became much steeper with the steady girl.

Come on that is so unfair and not to put to fine a point on it "crap" i dont want to be rude but you really cannot judge everybodys relationships by yours or someone you know!!

i also in the west was married to a woman 10 years my junior ,then had an extremely long relationship with a woman 17 years my junior ,my Thai wife is 22 years younger than me and her familly although not rich are not poor either ,i would call them lower middle class. apart from her young brother (we wont go there) i have never been asked for a penny ,in England my wife worked and contributed to the home ,here in Thailand i am the provider ,but apart from shoes ,which she seems to find as wonderfull as me she never wants any money ,however our 15 year old son is a different matter not everyone is the same.

You need to wake up and stop being so sensitive... and if you don't want to be rude, then just cut out the "crap".

Where are you hiding?

Obviously what I stated is not accurate for EVERY relationship in the East and West as there are always exceptions (perhaps you're one), but you'd have to be clinically blind not to see that it is accurate for the majority.

Tropo.

you say it is accurate for the majority,and maybe your right ,but not among my circle of friends .

also yes ime not stupid sticking my head in the sand ,ive been around Thailand long enough ,but lets face it as you walk around Pattaya most of the time watching the westerners here with their "ladies " is like watching a freak show. "Its life Jim ,but not as we know it"

[britmaveric]

^It's what life should be, a model for the rest of the world!!!

[tropo]

i'm not hiding anywhere! i think i have got it now though, you live in a tiny tiny minority of people in the world of which the majority of the minority are weird. Thanks for the clarification. I also know you are in denial as 99.9% of your majority in your minority world of relationships fail. Enjoy it though i dont have anything against it just not for me.

You're part of the moral majority which most of the expat minority living in SE Asia are trying to get away from. It's the very reason a lot of us live here in Thailand with our young wives/partners away from the moral police. Unfortunately this is a public internet forum so your type still have a way to cast stones in cyber space.

Enjoy growing old with your old wife. It works for some.

[tropo]

Tropo.

you say it is accurate for the majority,and maybe your right ,but not among my circle of friends .

also yes ime not stupid sticking my head in the sand ,ive been around Thailand long enough ,but lets face it as you walk around Pattaya most of the time watching the westerners here with their "ladies " is like watching a freak show. "Its life Jim ,but not as we know it"

So even after living in Thailand "long enough", you still consider seeing an old guy with a young girl a freak show?

For anyone who's been in Asia "long enough" it is life as we know it.

[BusyBee123]

i'm not hiding anywhere! i think i have got it now though, you live in a tiny tiny minority of people in the world of which the majority of the minority are weird. Thanks for the clarification. I also know you are in denial as 99.9% of your majority in your minority world of relationships fail. Enjoy it though i dont have anything against it just not for me.

You're part of the moral majority which most of the expat minority living in SE Asia are trying to get away from. It's the very reason a lot of us live here in Thailand with our young wives/partners away from the moral police. Unfortunately this is a public internet forum so your type still have a way to cast stones in cyber space.

Enjoy growing old with your old wife. It works for some.

Moral police i think not, i do not care what you do but don't justify it with a young wife/partner, plenty of expats with old partners too, i do not have a wife, whether old or not i would not care anyway if she made me happy that is all that counts. You need young to somehow make you happy i hope the void in you life is resolved sometime soon but i doubt it.

Edited July 18, 2009 by BusyBee123

[britmaveric]

^And if their is no void. The problem with young lads - they have different thinking when they are young. However after time marches on - their view soon fits the view of the old lad they were once whinging about.

[thaimate]

i'm not hiding anywhere! i think i have got it now though, you live in a tiny tiny minority of people in the world of which the majority of the minority are weird. Thanks for the clarification. I also know you are in denial as 99.9% of your majority in your minority world of relationships fail. Enjoy it though i dont have anything against it just not for me.

You're part of the moral majority which most of the expat minority living in SE Asia are trying to get away from. It's the very reason a lot of us live here in Thailand with our young wives/partners away from the moral police. Unfortunately this is a public internet forum so your type still have a way to cast stones in cyber space.

Enjoy growing old with your old wife. It works for some.

God Tropo if you only knew me ,moral minority more like would describe me or immoral majority, you completely misunderstand me my friend

[tropo]

i'm not hiding anywhere! i think i have got it now though, you live in a tiny tiny minority of people in the world of which the majority of the minority are weird. Thanks for the clarification. I also know you are in denial as 99.9% of your majority in your minority world of relationships fail. Enjoy it though i dont have anything against it just not for me.

You're part of the moral majority which most of the expat minority living in SE Asia are trying to get away from. It's the very reason a lot of us live here in Thailand with our young wives/partners away from the moral police. Unfortunately this is a public internet forum so your type still have a way to cast stones in cyber space.

Enjoy growing old with your old wife. It works for some.

God Tropo if you only knew me ,moral minority more like would describe me or immoral majority, you completely misunderstand me my friend

Thaimate, this reply was to busybee123, not you.

[tropo]

i'm not hiding anywhere! i think i have got it now though, you live in a tiny tiny minority of people in the world of which the majority of the minority are weird. Thanks for the clarification. I also know you are in denial as 99.9% of your majority in your minority world of relationships fail. Enjoy it though i dont have anything against it just not for me.

You're part of the moral majority which most of the expat minority living in SE Asia are trying to get away from. It's the very reason a lot of us live here in Thailand with our young wives/partners away from the moral police. Unfortunately this is a public internet forum so your type still have a way to cast stones in cyber space.

Enjoy growing old with your old wife. It works for some.

Moral police i think not, i do not care what you do but don't justify it with a young wife/partner, plenty of expats with old partners too, i do not have a wife, whether old or not i would not care anyway if she made me happy that is all that counts. You need young to somehow make you happy i hope the void in you life is resolved sometime soon but i doubt it.

Why would you assume I have a void in my life just because I have a young partner? Why would you assume I'm trying to justify anything to you?

One of the benefits of living in Asia is not having to justify what I do and who I choose to live with to moralistic prats like you. Unfortunately some of you manage to find this forum to put in your 2 cents worth.

When you get a little older and wiser come back and try again.

[anothertorres]

i went to Gian's for dinner tonight. so... that was nice.

[BusyBee123]

i'm not hiding anywhere! i think i have got it now though, you live in a tiny tiny minority of people in the world of which the majority of the minority are weird. Thanks for the clarification. I also know you are in denial as 99.9% of your majority in your minority world of relationships fail. Enjoy it though i dont have anything against it just not for me.

You're part of the moral majority which most of the expat minority living in SE Asia are trying to get away from. It's the very reason a lot of us live here in Thailand with our young wives/partners away from the moral police. Unfortunately this is a public internet forum so your type still have a way to cast stones in cyber space.

Enjoy growing old with your old wife. It works for some.

Moral police i think not, i do not care what you do but don't justify it with a young wife/partner, plenty of expats with old partners too, i do not have a wife, whether old or not i would not care anyway if she made me happy that is all that counts. You need young to somehow make you happy i hope the void in you life is resolved sometime soon but i doubt it.

Why would you assume I have a void in my life just because I have a young partner? Why would you assume I'm trying to justify anything to you?

One of the benefits of living in Asia is not having to justify what I do and who I choose to live with to moralistic prats like you. Unfortunately some of you manage to find this forum to put in your 2 cents worth.

When you get a little older and wiser come back and try again.

you are incapable of responding to anything or answer your own ridiculous comments when asked but take the older wiser pompous attitude, good for you enjoy.

[Ulysses G.]

Actually he did a great job of countering your snide, judgmental, condescending little post, but, as they say, pearls before swine.

[soundman]

Enough.

Closed.