Must Be Time To Return Home

[flying]

But, I have to take umbrage with this particular comment.

5. Rude Thai males, if they got a little money,they think there crap don't stink.

You do realize it smacks more than just a little of the typical "uppity little brown men" attitude and that perhaps they think they are something because its their community and their culture? Perhaps if you didn't have what seems to be a pretty poor attitude towards Thai men that you might actually find most of them are quite decent and nice? They can tell when someone treats them in a patronizing and superior way and I can imagine that if someone came to your country and treated you that way you probably wouldnt' be the friendliest of souls either. A little empathy goes a really long way.

Oh please,,,,,,,,, It smacks more like your playing a race card not him.

He did not say all Thai men. It is his experience that he has come across some rude Thai Males that had money & a attitude. Anyone who has done business in BK has probably dealt with some. But also dealt with many polite ones too. Also I could equally say many weekend millionaires falangs from all over the world have that same attitude while visiting Thailand

How is that any different than the thousands of posts that say in so many words that Issan girls tend to work in bad places & are after 1 thing?

Perhaps your a bit biased?

Edited August 11, 2009 by flying

[zorro1]

[MrHammer]

I like Thailand and while I can recognize some of the stuff you mention, it's minor annoyances to me. When I get fed up with Bangkok and the noise and polution, I can just hop to the beach in a few hours.

The only thing that really bothers me here, and that I can not control, is the lack of good job opportunities and possibility of making serious money.

[sbk]

Perhaps you a bit biased?

Perhaps I've been reading this forum too long? Perhaps I've read too many denigrating comments? Perhaps the idea put forward earlier that foreign men are big fish in a little pond is not necessarily true.

[Penkoprod]

One thing i haven't seen mentioned on this whole thread as a reason to pack up and leave Thailand is homesickness. And its one not to dismissed or discounted i wouldnt think.

The "fatherland" isnt THAT easy to escape from, but some manage homesickness better than others i guess

Penkprod

[longstebe]

Good luck to the OP.

At least you can say you gave it a bloody good go.

Hats off.

[qwertz]

All the downside points mentioned here are why I don't live there any more - but I still go back every year for a

long stay because I haven't yet found anywhere better for a cheap chill out.

[sunholidaysun1]

I prefer to be a happy foreigner in a foreign country than feel like a foreigner in my own country . Many good points raised and a few bad ones as well but for living an easy laid-back life style it will be hard to beat . Returning back to the UK is all doom and gloom, remember Monday mornings ? having to get up and go to work in the middle of winter !! Not for me .

[sokal]

I left Bangkok on June 28th and am living back in the USA. I agree with Jingthing it's all about personal balance sheets and what you prefer. For me I could not be happier to be out of Thailand. I think Most places and namely Bangkok are absolutely filthy. Water, air and the liter everywhere makes it unbearable to me. Medical care is also half-ass at best though the hospitals are very impressive looking. I love Thailand for vacationing. But it is a country that is just too unreliable and behind the times for me to make it my full time home. I also had no problem finding a high paying job in the USA, unlike Thailand where it's 1 in a million.

If you have to work to make money then I could understand that you don't like Thailand.

[moe666]

I donot like the noise either have to listen to these idiots with their cars vibrating the windows in my house when they drive by. O, the dog Sh-t is another thing around the neighborhood people walk their dogs and donot bother to pick it up. Corruption an ex state senator sent to federal prison for setting up a 4 million dollar kick back scheme on the construction of a new courthouse. Then we have the drunk drivers people driving with 3, 4, or more DUIs we have one of the highest DUI rates in the country. Crazy drivers speeding, cutting you off, flipping you off and don't make someone mad or they will shoot you. My house was broken into every year for the first five years I lived in it. Bad medical care the DRs want to lower your cholestrol to the point of making you sick.

Have I left anything out probaly o, noe we get our drinking water from the river which has been polluted by the towns up stream with antibiotics, hormones, painkillers, and heroin all of these things excreted by the human body of the people who live upstream and we have one of the highest heroin addiction rates in the country in one of our counties.

dam_n this is making me depressed I need to get back to Thailand for a bit of sanity.

O, and the Americans Indians living here are really uppity will not talk to you or interact with people outside the tribe.

[glegolo]

You are not considering the female factor. Take that away and I think there would be a lot less people here trying to convince themselves that it's so much better than their own home country's.

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YES you are right 100% (if you´re not gay of course), i guess that the most of us wouldn´t live here if it wasn´t for all the girls here.

Came to think about it... maybe this is the reason who the Op is so sick and tired of being here!! Burnt by love???

glegolo

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[skipvice]

OK, OK already, the main reason The wife and I are returning home is we miss the grandkids,

They are 1/4 thai, My daughter is hafe Thai. we want to spend more time with them as they grow up.

Be visting the wife's family 3 Months a year. Iam getting Old and cranky, we have a home in the suburbs and a very quite area in Washington State. All the reasons for leaving are just to justify our decision.

[caf]

But, I have to take umbrage with this particular comment.

5. Rude Thai males, if they got a little money,they think there crap don't stink.

You do realize it smacks more than just a little of the typical "uppity little brown men" attitude and that perhaps they think they are something because its their community and their culture? Perhaps if you didn't have what seems to be a pretty poor attitude towards Thai men that you might actually find most of them are quite decent and nice? They can tell when someone treats them in a patronizing and superior way and I can imagine that if someone came to your country and treated you that way you probably wouldnt' be the friendliest of souls either. A little empathy goes a really long way.

Oh please,,,,,,,,, It smacks more like your playing a race card not him.

He did not say all Thai men. It is his experience that he has come across some rude Thai Males that had money & a attitude. Anyone who has done business in BK has probably dealt with some. But also dealt with many polite ones too. Also I could equally say many weekend millionaires falangs from all over the world have that same attitude while visiting Thailand

How is that any different than the thousands of posts that say in so many words that Issan girls tend to work in bad places & are after 1 thing?

Perhaps your a bit biased?

Good comment. If it doesnt fit their own experience thay put the rose tinted glasses on and become thai apologists for the day

[Ulysses G.]

YES you are right 100% (if you´re not gay of course), i guess that the most of us wouldn´t live here if it wasn´t for all the girls here.

A little honesty is always so refreshing!

[maccaroni man]

Perhaps you a bit biased?

Perhaps I've been reading this forum too long? Perhaps I've read too many denigrating comments? Perhaps the idea put forward earlier that foreign men are big fish in a little pond is not necessarily true.

i for one agree with the attitude that many thai males have ego issues and are not people to be trusted or considered friends. As for why foreign men may feel superior to the thai male, it is a fact that 99% of the foreign males can go anywhere in the world and provide for themselves and their family which imho is not something 20% of the thai males could. why? education and personal motivation. I have read threads where thai males are sooo romantic buying floweres and gifts for their girlfriend but this is not the thai way so who taught them, a western girl friend or watching western television? At the end of the day what original thaughts or behaviors do the majority of thai men bring to the table other than ways to show their displeasure with the foreign man being with their women.

[glegolo]

OK, OK already, the main reason The wife and I are returning home is we miss the grandkids,

They are 1/4 thai, My daughter is hafe Thai. we want to spend more time with them as they grow up.

Be visting the wife's family 3 Months a year. Iam getting Old and cranky, we have a home in the suburbs and a very quite area in Washington State. All the reasons for leaving are just to justify our decision.

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Ok sorry Skipvice.. didn´t mean to hurt you .... but for many many many many many many many many many others.

It applies!!

Glegolo

[PeaceBlondie]

I suggest this thread be closed because too many posts break the rules.

[skipvice]

I don't know what to do, laugh or cry

[moe666]

Skipvice, don't worry about it everyone having fun at your expense. Good luck to you and family on your decision, each and everyone of us has to do whats best for ourselves.

[mrtoad]

I don't know what to do, laugh or cry

I wouldn't worry. You have your head screwed on, and are making a decision that suits you, and based on your experiences, which are probably not unlike a number of other people here. I didn't see anything in your original post that was particularly anti-Thai -just a few of the usual's trying push their own agendas. Good luck.

[Ijustwannateach]

Perhaps you a bit biased?

Perhaps I've been reading this forum too long? Perhaps I've read too many denigrating comments? Perhaps the idea put forward earlier that foreign men are big fish in a little pond is not necessarily true.

i for one agree with the attitude that many thai males have ego issues and are not people to be trusted or considered friends. As for why foreign men may feel superior to the thai male, it is a fact that 99% of the foreign males can go anywhere in the world and provide for themselves and their family which imho is not something 20% of the thai males could. why? education and personal motivation. I have read threads where thai males are sooo romantic buying floweres and gifts for their girlfriend but this is not the thai way so who taught them, a western girl friend or watching western television? At the end of the day what original thaughts or behaviors do the majority of thai men bring to the table other than ways to show their displeasure with the foreign man being with their women.

I don't know who you are meeting, but I don't have this experience of Thai people, male or female, as you report- and I don't generally go around 'feeling superior' to others of any kind, and would be rather suspicious of anyone who did as someone who had ego issues him/herself.... Furthermore I know Thais who are going to extreme lengths, despite very challenging conditions, to support family members of all kinds, including very extended family members that most 'foreign men' would completely disclaim responsibility for routinely... and as for romantic Thai males, I can vouch for their romanticism without its having any connection to a background involving foreigners...

And I would suspect that most respectable Thai men who are not hanging out in sad tourist bars (which would be something like 99.99999% of them) have no opinion whatsoever about foreigners with Thai women because it has no connection with their world whatsoever. You must be curiously egocentric to think that your dating behaviour (or that of other foreigners) matters even slightly in the daily lives of most Thai people. And since it's clear you have no experience of real Thai people, you are probably not in any position to judge what original thoughts they might have.

In short, it appears you have no idea what you are talking about, though perhaps I have simply been missing the pleasures of hanging out with persons such as you and the Thais you apparently attract and/or tolerate around yourself.

[rgs2001uk]

Perhaps you a bit biased?

Perhaps I've been reading this forum too long? Perhaps I've read too many denigrating comments? Perhaps the idea put forward earlier that foreign men are big fish in a little pond is not necessarily true.

i for one agree with the attitude that many thai males have ego issues and are not people to be trusted or considered friends. As for why foreign men may feel superior to the thai male, it is a fact that 99% of the foreign males can go anywhere in the world and provide for themselves and their family which imho is not something 20% of the thai males could. why? education and personal motivation. I have read threads where thai males are sooo romantic buying floweres and gifts for their girlfriend but this is not the thai way so who taught them, a western girl friend or watching western television? At the end of the day what original thaughts or behaviors do the majority of thai men bring to the table other than ways to show their displeasure with the foreign man being with their women.

Have you ever spoken to or socialised with any Thai males?

I have found them to be both loyal and trustworthy and have some I consider as friends, in fact dammned good friends.

Where are the 99% of foreign males you talk about, have you seen some of the riff raff that has been washed up on the shores of Thailand, they can hardly support themselves never mind a family.

What about the poor Thai bell hop I know working in a hotel for 6000 baht per month plus tips, lives in a crumby run down apt block for 1500 baht per month and sends 2000 baht per month up country, take it you have never met the likes of him.

Or another guy I know who busts a gut working 3 jobs and manages to take care of his family.

Sounds like you have been listening to too many stories in bars, Thai man no good, me want farang, Thai man jai dam.

[Boo]

QUOTE (maccaroni man @ 2009-08-12 09:19:29)

As for why foreign men may feel superior to the thai male, it is a fact that 99% of the foreign males can go anywhere in the world and provide for themselves and their family which imho is not something 20% of the thai males could.

99% of foreign men can travel? Does that include the virtually millions upon millions of foreign men who have never left their own countries or even possess a passport?

99% of foreign men can support their families financially? Is that the millions upon millions of foreign men who are living, sometimes with a wife & kids in tow on or under the bread line in their own countries.?

To say you have a distorted view of thai people & the world in general is an understatment imo.

[skipvice]

please do not turn this thread unto something that was not intended by me, I was not Thai Male Bashing only ment that some of rich thai men, that I have come across as stuck up, exspecialy to foreigners.

Edited August 12, 2009 by skipvice

[Hawkup2000]

I left Bangkok on June 28th and am living back in the USA. I agree with Jingthing it's all about personal balance sheets and what you prefer. For me I could not be happier to be out of Thailand. I think Most places and namely Bangkok are absolutely filthy. Water, air and the liter everywhere makes it unbearable to me. Medical care is also half-ass at best though the hospitals are very impressive looking. I love Thailand for vacationing. But it is a country that is just too unreliable and behind the times for me to make it my full time home. I also had no problem finding a high paying job in the USA, unlike Thailand where it's 1 in a million.

I'm happy that you found what you been looking for since you look like a decent guy with some brains.

Edited August 12, 2009 by Hawkup2000

[maccaroni man]

QUOTE (maccaroni man @ 2009-08-12 09:19:29)

As for why foreign men may feel superior to the thai male, it is a fact that 99% of the foreign males can go anywhere in the world and provide for themselves and their family which imho is not something 20% of the thai males could.

99% of foreign men can travel? Does that include the virtually millions upon millions of foreign men who have never left their own countries or even possess a passport?

this is a thread about thailand and the men in thailand so i guess you can figure this one out for yourself.

99% of foreign men can support their families financially?[/i] Is that the millions upon millions of foreign men who are living, sometimes with a wife & kids in tow on or under the bread line in their own countries.?

this is again referring to the men who have traveled to thailand by choice and can leave and live and prosper elswhere by choice

To say you have a distorted view of thai people & the world in general is an understatment imo.

one thing for sure i think we can agree on is to disagree on this, as imo i am calling a spade a spade.

btw for all those assuming that my exposure to this subject is froma a bar stool, sorry way off base and to those who believe i have never seen the real thailand; what such as issan, kpg, cm, ?????? trust me i have probably seen more of thailand than most thais. ani i am simply expressing what i have come to believe.

[Insight]

skipvice - You seem like you've got your head more than screwed on. All the best where ever you end up.

Re the Thai males thing - a common rant with a few people I've known is Thai guys in some sort of authority, and I've just had my own experience over the past few weeks. Nothing to do with the "uppity little brown men" mentality, as that doesn't explain the complete and contrasting change of attitude from the person my recent experience was based on when he was informed of the way things actually are.

Obviously this doesn't apply right across the board, with the helpful, friendly and open mentality the country is well known for being the norm, but it happens enough times to be recognised as a trait.

[doodee]

things I Like

1. The weather

2. The friendly people (see things I hate)

3. cost of living

4. Beautiful Temples & landscapes

5. Nice Golf cources

things I dislike

1. too hot at times

2. Noise-every were you go,can not escape it.

3. santiary conditions, burning garbage, dirty water,dog crap on the side wallks,food stalls serving cold food that should be hot while picking there nose.

4. Double pricing

5. Rude Thai males, if they got a little money,they think there crap don't stink.

6. being constantly interupeted while talking or talked over as if what you have to say is not important or don't matter because you are a falang.

7. Laws not inforced (coruption)

yea I know, if you don't like it here leave. I came to Thailand to retire and injoy life and its just not working for me.

THINGS YOU DISLIKE

1/ Did you not know that its hot here???

2/ fancy living in London then

3/ This is south east asia

4/ London has realy bad double pricing for tourists

5/ All posters have complained about bad farangs over here

6/ you bettter not meet my dad,he would make thais sounds silent

7/ corruption every where including the english governement

Sounds like you have other issues

[cdnvic]

THINGS YOU DISLIKE

1/ Did you not know that its hot here???

2/ fancy living in London then

3/ This is south east asia

4/ London has realy bad double pricing for tourists

5/ All posters have complained about bad farangs over here

6/ you bettter not meet my dad,he would make thais sounds silent

7/ corruption every where including the english governement

Sounds like you have other issues

No, he just honestly explained his with Thailand, what are yours?

[doodee]

I consider this coming and going of expats to and from countries as a normal thing. Everyone has different experiences and there is also the stage of life aspect. I think I would have hated Thailand in my 30s trying to build wealth but I think it is an excellent place to come with a pot of money to retire.

I have a relative who made a big drama about bringing a bunch of relatives from Russia to the US. None of them are very happy in the US and half of them moved back. C'est la vie! People don't need complex rationalizations for these kinds of decisions.

Totaly agree, horses for courses,and you talk good sense on most of your posts jingthing.

Still cant get my head around posters saying that many of us run away from something in your home country,thats total crap.What is wrong in being able to retire early and go on an adventure before you get too old.

Doesnt take the brains of Brittain to say that Thailand is hot lol,and i did enough lying when i was national sales manager back in the UK to gain business from the competition,or as i called it,stretching the truth.

My salary was 40,000 gbp a year and all the perks inc company car,phone,gold cards for business/pleasure,and i threw it away to live in Thailand on 20,000 baht a week rising sharply in the next couple of years,and rising enormously in another couple of years.

Do you think all this extra money will help me to enjoy my life more???,not a hope as i am the happiset man in the world alread,but maybe i will have an extra couple of pints of cider as a treat.

BE HAPPY,I AM