American Pensioner Arrested For Underage Sex

[phillyherb]

Thai teenies love shagging !

This naughty little """schoolgirl""" minx will be back on the streets before the weekend. She's had her taste of Farang cash. She'll be hungry for another fix.

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Her and 20 of her school friends after hearing about the bt5000.

[IsaanAlex]

give your mom a call, see what she has to say. Seriously, if you have lost perpective,...

My mom taught me right.

She couldn't give a rats ass. She was 17/18 when she married my dad who is 12 years older. Her mother was 16 or so when she was married to her father (my grandfather).

My fathers first wife was 16 also.

Interesting to see that people's sexuality has 'evolved' in such a short period of time so that what was once considered natural is now considered obscene or even criminal.

ask a few of your old buddies from home, see what they have to say.

Most people from 'home' have shit for brains. They believe whatever the government or Cosmo magazine told them last issue.

The saddest thing is how the men actually listen to the nonsense that the females primarily push.

The same hags that were bragging to me at 15 about having 25 and and 30 year old boyfriends...but who started to call me a pedo at 21, when I had a 17 year old girlfriend.

Why do we have to ask other people when we have all the right answers?

[btw. It's even worse to see what bitches most of them have turned into now that all of them except one are divorced with kids; and all of the guys in the group with intact marriages are the men who married Thais, Japanese and Koreans, haha

So someone best tell me why I should be taking marriage or lifestyle tips from people who can't even hold together marriages...or sexuality advice from hags who aren't even getting any....and probably don't want me getting any either ]

Furthermore, peoples public and private faces are so different that I usually disregard the nonsense that people publicly spout; so many have changed their tune when they know you better and I don't know a single man personally who thinks for one second that sleeping with a 16 year old 'girl' is either 'icky' or morally wrong.

Those of you married to western females...save this shit for them; I'm not buying it!

At least I have a Thai wife who admits that if she was a man she would be screwing 14 year old 'girls'.

We both hope for technology to develop to the point that I can be transported back so I can nail her at 14 as well...

IA

Edited March 10, 2005 by IsaanAlex

[phillyherb]

At least I have a Thai wife who admits that if she was a man she would be screwing 14 year old 'girls'.

We both hope for technology to develop to the point that I can be transported back so I can nail her at 14 as well...

IA

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Does your wife have any sisters I will be moving to thailand next year.

[JemJem]

The guy has broken the law of the land he is in, and I see no point by some posters here in coming to the defense of the guy. But I am not one of those seeking brutal treatment of him in jail by other inmates. I simply say he should do the time normally given for this type of offence.

Laws are laws...they must be obeyed, whether one likes it or not.

Now....the 'moral' aspect of a 61-year-old guy sleeping with a 16-year-old girl.....that would be a thing that should be discussed, with various perspectives.

Regards,

Jem

[Thaiquila]

The guy has broken the law of the land he is in, and I see no point by some posters here in coming to the defense of the guy. But I am not one of those seeking brutal treatment of him in jail by other inmates. I simply say he should do the time normally given for this type of offence.

Laws are laws...they must be obeyed, whether one likes it or not.

Now....the 'moral' aspect of a 61-year-old guy sleeping with a 16-year-old  girl.....that would be a thing that should be discussed, with various perspectives.

Regards,

Jem

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By moral aspect, are you talking about the age DIFFERENCE, the prostitution, the under 18 part of it, or all?

I would contend that MORALLY, sexing it up with an 18 year old tart is not really very different than sexing it up with a 16 year old tart. LEGALLY, there is though.

[IsaanAlex]

I simply say he should do the time normally given for this type of offence.

The thing is there is no 'time' given for this type of offense; it's a bunk charge in Thailand. What Thai gets done for consensually screwing a 16 year old?

It's virtually unheard of.

For Chrissakes...when young Thai guys gang-rape 13 year old Thai girls they get they get 6 months in jail apiece.

Are there discounts given on groups? Sort of like one sentence that gets divvied up between all of the rapists?

Maybe our 61 year old American friend should have taken along some mates...

Now here's a nice little case to compare and contrast'

13-year-old girl rescued during gang rape

Boonlua Chatree

Banglamung police kicked down the door of a Soi 9 house after residents reported that 7 young men were in the process of raping a young girl. A team of officers arrived at the house to find seven youths between the ages of 13 and 19, naked and in the process of relieving their sexual urges.

Police ordered the boys to get dressed, took them into custody, bagging used condoms as evidence. Officers then escorted the young girl, later identified as ‘Mai’ (not her real name), 13, to the police station for an interview.

The young girl told officers that she had gone to a friend’s birthday party and had consumed some alcohol. While she was in a tipsy state, the boys forced her into the house where they began taking turns.

She added that both her parents had died and was living with relatives behind the Nongyai Temple, and that she had been subjected to a similar crime last year with four boys. The rapists had never been caught.

During questioning the boys confessed to their crime, stating that only five of them had managed to rape her before police arrived. Police recorded the details and charged the seven youths with rape of a minor under the age of 15.

Now look at the article again; those guys weren't 'raping'; they were simply "relieving their urges."

They'll get 6 months apiece in jail (like most other cases of this nature if they don't just pay off the girls family and walk)......

while this 61 year old American was singly engaging in consensual sex with a young trollop and gave her a months Thai wage for it; but he's going to do 30 years in lockup?

For those who like to tout Western ideals and argue that they should be applied in Thailand...why don't you wrap your head around these facts when deciding who gets done for what...

In my world the young Thai guys get lined up and get a bullet in each of their heads and the girl gets married off to the 61 year old American.

Situation sorted.

He couldn't do any worse for her than her 'relatives' have done so far....

IA

Edited March 11, 2005 by IsaanAlex

[Thaiquila]

Another instance of double pricing.

[Abandon]

I've heard of a book called "the damage done" by a guy that spent more than 10 yrs in a thai jail over opium traffic and douring this time the most terrible shit happens to him. stuff like prisoners put into a bamboo cage that is then attacked by an elephant. after a while the elephant gets bored and crushes the cage killing the poor inmate inside

This poster is referring to the Rattan ball execution method where the inmate is officially executed by forcing him to roll up inside a rattan (wicker) ball which has nails poking inside. It is then kicked around by a few elephants until he is dead. This execution method has not been used for a century (ish) and did not apply to Royals facing the death penaly - they were beaten to death by sweet scented sandlwood sticks.

While no picnic, Thai prisons are not the worst in the world and if this guy does go to prison he will be safer in a Thai one than a US (or other nations) one. See the topic 'prisons' in the general forum for more details on that.

The worst developed nation for prison abuse is Japan where the whole 'justice' system is a chain off horror. There's info about it here: http://www.justicefornickbaker.org/index.shtml

[Thaiquila]

Wow, choosing between an American prison and a Thai prison for a convicted "child" molestor.

Hmmmm.

Balcony jump or bullet in the head.

Choices choices.

[pedro01]

don't know a single man personally who thinks for one second that sleeping with a 16 year old 'girl' is either 'icky' or morally wrong.

IA

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Here's some news for you Alex, I'm a 35 year old guy who thinks it is disgusting that any adult targets 16 year old girls.

I sometimes wonder if the people using prostitutes in this country have a conscience or not.

The fact is, this 16 year old girl was not having sex with the 61 year old for pleasure. She was doing it for money. We all know that Thailand is a poor country with no social welfare and that is why there is so much prostitution.

Ask yourself – if this was the UK/USA, would that same girl be a prostitute ? VERY unlikely.

At 16 - is she really grown-up enough to realise the impact of her lifestyle on her future ? Cervical cancer is more likely in 'active' young girls, HIV, no education, lack of self-respect...

The 61 year old guy is one of a number of foreigners that come here to exploit the fact that prostitution is more attractive than the alternatives for many young women in this country.

So – he’s a 61 year old guy, traveling here to exploit young girls – I say kick his ass into jail.

Thailand does have many other problems too – the girls have no alternative, however – many wrongs do not make a right.

Clamping down on the influx of sex tourists is a positive step in my book.

[Thaiquila]

You mean there are no 16 year old hos in the US or UK?

News to me.

Who was targetting who?

In any case, don't get me wrong. He broke the law. He was caught. Now he is basically dead.

[IsaanAlex]

Here's some news for you Alex, I'm a 35 year old guy who thinks it is disgusting that any adult targets 16 year old girls.

Great. Too bad the Thais don't give a s.hit what you or I think. It's still fine for the majority of them.

We all know that Thailand is a poor country with no social welfare and that is why there is so much prostitution.

Haha. That's rich. The trollop got a months wage for spreading her legs. There are so many Thai ladies in the trade because they're lazy. Not because they need the money. They want the money.

What do you know about Thailand? How long have you lived there? how many times have you traveled there? Do you speak the language (to whatever degree). Do you have any close and honest Thai friends or a straight-shooting Thai wife or fahn?

Ask yourself – if this was the UK/USA, would that same girl be a prostitute ? VERY unlikely.

Haha. Apples and Oranges.

Do you know how many Canadian girls would be ho's if they could get a months wage to spread their legs?

Getting screwed for $2000; loads.

If you want to think of the siuation in the proper context, this is how it must be considered IMHO.

Just think of rich Japanese guys flocking to western nations and offering $500-2,000 a screw.

It's all relative.

At 16 - is she really grown-up enough to realise the impact of her lifestyle on her future ? Cervical cancer is more likely in 'active' young girls, HIV, no education, lack of self-respect...

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Donate now.

The 61 year old guy is one of a number of foreigners that come here to exploit the fact that prostitution is more attractive than the alternatives for many young women in this country.

It's obviously not that attractive to the majority of Thai lasies who do honest work for reasonable wages (4-10,000 baht a month).

And what exactly do you think this young trollop was going to spend this 5000 baht on?

You big softie.

I'd wager it's not on food for the family ("Hi mom and dad here's 5000 baht"), or school, or medical care.

She's going to blow it on the same garbage that most young Thais want but don't want to sell their pussy or ass to get.

Mobile phones, low cut jeans, gold, money to blow on friends, etc.

Thailand does have many other problems too – the girls have no alternative,...

*blubber* *blubber*

With all due respect, there are plenty of alternatives. Because the majority of Thai ladies are not selling their ass.

Clamping down on the influx of sex tourists is a positive step in my book.

Haha. How will pa pay for his Leo beer and lao kao. Or brother for his uni and girlfriend. And how will these young girls pay for their extras so they can gain face?

You're hard nut, my friend.

IA

[goatfarmer]

Paying for sex with someone under the age of 18 is a crime in the kingdom.  

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...only in a place of entertainment. The report doesn't say what the fellow is charged with, if at all.

[ovenman]

So – he’s a 61 year old guy, traveling here to exploit young girls – I say kick his ass into jail.

Fine. Throw his ass into jail if he is violating Thai laws. If said throwing occurs because he is violating only American laws, I think that's wrong (as was argued in another thread somewhere).

Clamping down on the influx of sex tourists is a positive step in my book.

If the number of sex tourist were to somehow be magically cut back to zero tomorrow, do you really think this would put any sort of dent in the overall number of prostitutes in Thailand?

[danone]

the age of consent here in thailand is 16, period. another fishy story.

[PvtDick]

No, not period. Can be 15, 16, or 18 depending on the circumstances. Read up.

[mr_lob]

So – he’s a 61 year old guy, traveling here to exploit young girls – I say kick his ass into jail.

Fine. Throw his ass into jail if he is violating Thai laws. If said throwing occurs because he is violating only American laws, I think that's wrong (as was argued in another thread somewhere).

Clamping down on the influx of sex tourists is a positive step in my book.

If the number of sex tourist were to somehow be magically cut back to zero tomorrow, do you really think this would put any sort of dent in the overall number of prostitutes in Thailand?

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So what about that low life P.O.S German c*nt last year that infected up to 200 young teenage girls with HIV (and paid them B3000-B5000 for the privilege)? The Thai 'authorities' could only arrest him for overstaying his tourist visa and deport him.....

[ovenman]

So what about that low life P.O.S German c*nt last year that infected up to 200 young teenage girls with HIV (and paid them B3000-B5000 for the privilege)? The Thai 'authorities' could only arrest him for overstaying his tourist visa and deport him.....

I'm sure the Thais could have thought of something to charge him with had they been so inclined. More likely, it was a case of not wanting to deal with him at all so they kicked him out. That's always an option with a foreigner.

For argument's sake though, let's assume that all the Thais really could do in that circumstance was deport the guy on some immigrations violation. Is it somehow a better solution to make up laws on an ad-hoc basis to deal with situations that occur that are not to our liking?

[slim]

Here's some news for you Alex, I'm a 35 year old guy who thinks it is disgusting that any adult targets 16 year old girls.

Why's that - because you're gay?

[carlthailand]

Photos are what most likely got him in trouble. Obviously from the sounds of it she must have told someone else about this because how else would the perv been nicked?

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Lets see. Old man plus young girl in school uniform walk into a hotel. SOunds suss enough to me for somebody to see. Also true she could of told any number of friends. Bragging how much money she is making.

The saying goes something like when your in somebody elses country you gotta obey their laws. Some may think it sucks but at the end of the day. Do the crime do the time.

SHould of just got some 18year old dressed up in a school uniform if thats his taste.

Nomad

[sriracha john]

I'm a Canadian, thank god...as I just don't like a government that thinks they own me no matter I am in the world, just because of my citizenship...

Even as a Canadian you are at risk. Please note Canadian Law

Canada has included in its Criminal Code provisions that allow for the arrest and prosecution of Canadians in Canada for the sexual exploitation of children in foreign countries. Convictions carry a penalty of up to 14 years' imprisonment. Many other countries have passed similar laws.

Guess you don't like Canada now either, eh Alex??

[fire and ice]

Now due to US Federal statues, it is illegal for any of the residents of any of these 27 states to have sex with a 16 year old in Thailand. There are also (federal) laws that apply when someone crosses state lines for sex.

So how can the US federal court prosecute you just because of which state you are resident of? And even this is murky, some people could claim they had moved states or were no longer a US resident therefore not resident of any state etc... Seems quite absurd to arbitrarily say you're a federal criminal just because of which state you are legally resident of. This disparity is even more absurd than most Thai issues & doings which people on this site discuss / moan about.

Also this means that if a 18 year old US citizen has sex with a 17 year old in another country while on holiday, then if s/he lives in the 'wrong state' then they can be prosecuted as a paedophile under Federal laws? I might be incorrect but as I understand it there is a different crime class (within the US) for sex with a minor & child molestation, but according to the above discussion they are seen the same thing when done in another country. Also how does consent (from the 'victim’s' parents) enter into this? It is coming across that the US Federal law is draconian in contrast to the US state's laws.

As far as the law is concerned I think people are not being articulate when differentiating between any action that the Thai authorities might take, versus any action the US might take under it's laws.

Under Thai law I believe (but sure) that the only crime he has committed (if any) is paying for a prostitute aged 16-18. Since if she was not being paid for sex it would be legal (?), I doubt this is the same Thai law as those governing paedophilia & doubt the penalty is very harsh - but I might be wrong of course.

In any case (for the record) I have read on Thai embassy websites that for sex with prostitutes:

1. they must be over 18 &

2. prostitution is illegal but ONLY for the person receiving the money, the client is not breaking Thai law (unless under 18)

It should also be noted the grey area where you give a bar girl some cash the next morning after never bringing up the issue of money - Thais generally don't consider this to be prostitution in the legal sense.

If any one is sure of the exact laws and likely penalties please speak up - I have only written much of the above based on what has been said above.

[pedro01]

Here's some news for you Alex, I'm a 35 year old guy who thinks it is disgusting that any adult targets 16 year old girls.

Why's that - because you're gay?

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Because I'm a father

[IsaanAlex]

Canada has included in its Criminal Code provisions that allow for the arrest and prosecution of Canadians in Canada for the sexual exploitation of children in foreign countries. Convictions carry a penalty of up to 14 years' imprisonment. Many other countries have passed similar laws.

We have our issues.

But not in regards to this.

Canada just wants to be part of the bleeding heart gang; it's good for the country's image.

Believe me when I say that no one's doing any time in Canada for boning a 16 year old in Thailand-or anywhere, for that matter..

First off, I believe the age of consent in Canada is 14.; It's a closely guarded secret but don't believe I'm wrong on this.

And, if they sent a guy all the way from Thailand for screwing a 16 year old trollop who wants to buy a few extra hangbags it would cast a huge spotlight on the loads up truly downtrodden...crack and heroin addicted 14(+) year olds hooking 2 blocks from Main and Hastings police station (in Vancouver's downtown eastside)..and elsewhere....

And whoever mentioned the one-legged German who is 'alleged' to have infected 450 girls...I've got one response; bullshit.

If you care you can see a more likely scenario by looking at my last post on that lengthy thread; knock yourself out.

IA

Edited March 11, 2005 by IsaanAlex

[sriracha john]

Canada has included in its Criminal Code provisions that allow for the arrest and prosecution of Canadians in Canada for the sexual exploitation of children in foreign countries. Convictions carry a penalty of up to 14 years' imprisonment.

to the point that I can be transported back so I can nail her at 14 as well...

and then spend the next 14 years at the Federal Maximum Security Prison, Renous, New Brunswick, Canada?

[pedro01]

Here's some news for you Alex, I'm a 35 year old guy who thinks it is disgusting that any adult targets 16 year old girls.

Great. Too bad the Thais don't give a s.hit what you or I think. It's still fine for the majority of them.

We all know that Thailand is a poor country with no social welfare and that is why there is so much prostitution.

Haha. That's rich. The trollop got a months wage for spreading her legs. There are so many Thai ladies in the trade because they're lazy. Not because they need the money. They want the money.

What do you know about Thailand? How long have you lived there? how many times have you traveled there? Do you speak the language (to whatever degree). Do you have any close and honest Thai friends or a straight-shooting Thai wife or fahn?

Ask yourself – if this was the UK/USA, would that same girl be a prostitute ? VERY unlikely.

Haha. Apples and Oranges.

Do you know how many Canadian girls would be ho's if they could get a months wage to spread their legs?

Getting screwed for $2000; loads.

If you want to think of the siuation in the proper context, this is how it must be considered IMHO.

Just think of rich Japanese guys flocking to western nations and offering $500-2,000 a screw.

It's all relative.

At 16 - is she really grown-up enough to realise the impact of her lifestyle on her future ? Cervical cancer is more likely in 'active' young girls, HIV, no education, lack of self-respect...

.

Donate now.

The 61 year old guy is one of a number of foreigners that come here to exploit the fact that prostitution is more attractive than the alternatives for many young women in this country.

It's obviously not that attractive to the majority of Thai lasies who do honest work for reasonable wages (4-10,000 baht a month).

And what exactly do you think this young trollop was going to spend this 5000 baht on?

You big softie.

I'd wager it's not on food for the family ("Hi mom and dad here's 5000 baht"), or school, or medical care.

She's going to blow it on the same garbage that most young Thais want but don't want to sell their pussy or ass to get.

Mobile phones, low cut jeans, gold, money to blow on friends, etc.

Thailand does have many other problems too – the girls have no alternative,...

*blubber* *blubber*

With all due respect, there are plenty of alternatives. Because the majority of Thai ladies are not selling their ass.

Clamping down on the influx of sex tourists is a positive step in my book.

Haha. How will pa pay for his Leo beer and lao kao. Or brother for his uni and girlfriend. And how will these young girls pay for their extras so they can gain face?

You're hard nut, my friend.

IA

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Alex - you do not have the monopoly on living in Thailand, my friend - I have been here for many years, am married to a Thai and have Thai family & friends in various parts of the country.

Even if I didn't, I'd still have just as much right to comment on this board as yourself.

As the Aussies say - you seem to have 'gone troppo' a typical expat ailment where you feel like a local & therefore superior to other foreigners. You'll get over it.

Your knowledge of the country is great but the same cannot be said of your judgement.

At the end of the day - 16 year olds aren't mature, they are just kids. Remember youself when you were 16 ? Are you the same person then as you are now ? Didn't you make mistakes then ?

You are right - many of these young girls are on the game to get their designer clothes, new phones etc.

Their immature desire for all things material may be behind their prostitution as much as the poverty back home. You could argue that this desire for material things is exacerbated by the poverty at home. Sure - they could stay at home and get 4,000 baht a month but they are 16 for heaven's sake - you expect them to be rational ?

They are still kids though and I think society should protect them from both their own bad judgement and the predators that take advantage of them.

I mean - would it really hurt these old guys to at leat have sex with adults ?

It's exploitation, pure & simple.

Edited March 11, 2005 by pedro01

[Tornado]

I am definately against underage sex, but I think a 16 year old consenting female is borderline and I dont know what to post on it. I thought Thai law allowed sex between consenting "adults" at the age of 15?

Was it becuase it was "pay for sex" and not "sex for love" that got him nicked?

not sure of my position at the mo - Ill think about it a little longer.

[The_Eye_Of_Sauron]

I appreciate that the legal side is what is most discussed here.

But does anyone know if Lousi and 16 yr old Partner did it "Doggy Style"?

By Doggy Style I mean quite literally in the style of slobbering ravenous hounds...

Him plundering her quivering blancmange from behind, squatting, while she is on all fours howling with delight.

Or did he just lie on his back, lazy old git.

[Sphere]

Was it becuase it was "pay for sex" and not "sex for love" that got him nicked?

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And how about "sex for love of money"?

[slim]

At the end of the day - 16 year olds aren't mature, they are just kids. 

Utter rubbish.

You want to stop buying your daughter dolly's and sweeties.

Are you telling me that Michelle Wie at 14 playing against the world best golfers is not mature?

The same for strings of top flight sub 16 year old tennis players?

Do they need to be protected because they're too young to make an "adult" decision.

Your arguement is patronising.

The male in ALL species of animal is genetically programmed to seek youth - to deny it is to deny your evolution.

In ancient Greece and Rome, girls aged 10 and younger were married - as they still are in parts of India and Africa.

The legal age of consent in Guyana, Korea, Nigeria and SPAIN is 13.

In Albania, Austria, Brazil, China, Croatia, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Kosovo, Peru, Puerto Rico, Romania, Serbia, Slovenia its 14.

In France plus many other countries its 15.

In Panama, Argentina, Malta, Chile, Colombia, Mexico and THE NETHERLANDS its 12

So are all these countries full of "child victims" in your eyes.

Time to wake up Daddy and smell the roses.

Pedro was spot on with his reply to your post.

Edited March 11, 2005 by slim