Jatuporn Stirs Anger In House Over Motion

[mythBuster]

Lots of old people who were never democratically elected seem to have problems adjusting to a changing world and changing environments. Problem is you cant expect much from 80 plus year old aristocrats. Thailand is not the only country in Asia suffering from the same illness.

[jasreeve17]

Many ridiculous comments on this thread, by the usual suspects.

The motion was very relevant and needs to be addressed. Prem is involved in politics, and has huge influence in politics, allegedly, even though, if it is indeed true, it would be 100% illegal. Coups, stuff like that, are illegal...

For the Dems to drag Jatuporn's mother into the debate and turn the house into a scene from a zoo is disgusting and unacceptable behaviour.

The above two points are clear...

You could argue that a legal case would be more appropriate than a house motion, that'd be worthy of some thought, and both views have merit, IMO. You could also argue that Prem is too powerful or too close to certain institutions, to even be discussed (it was only a few months ago that Abhisit presented the idea of adding Prem to the Lese Majesty list...), that may be a sad truth behind the totally false facade of Thai politics (i.e. democracy), and worthy of discussion too.

However, instead of interesting debate, the ThaiVisa posters, in their wisdom have decided to spin the matter in hand, and attack a red shirter instead...

Is Jatuporn horrible? Probably.

Are all the others in the house as bad? Probably.

QUESTION TO ThaiVisa POSTERS: Should we have intellectual debate? ANSWER: NO, let's throw insults instead and completely forget the motion, it's REAL importance within Thai politics and the diabolical behaviour of the Dems who are protecting the guy who told the army to put them in power, allegedly...

Edited October 26, 2009 by jasreeve17

[TAWP]

jasreeve17>> The army did not and can not put anyone in power since the election.

But please, by all means, forget that and have your usual rants.

[hammered]

Jasreeve. This is poltics we are talking about. Intellectual debate? Those two never ever go together. Obfuscate, confuse, mislead, distract, divert etc etc are the ways of politics and the even more so the PR game that goes with it these days to lead opinion. It isnt about truth or fact. This is the modern world of belief, and it a world that even Goebbels would have been amazed at but that is where we are and it isnt confined to Thailand at all where every side is as bad as each other.

And, to the politcal players it is all very very clear and understood. It is just you cant have the horrible real face exposed.

However, referring to TV this after all is a web forum and people have many reasons to come here and say what they want. It isnt an intellectual deabating place and it is imho impossible to find them on the net anyway if they exist anywhere in this day and age. Lets be honest a lot of the jousting that goes on on here is just peopel trying to wind each other up and score points which is fair enough. If I personally wanted intellectual debate I could think of a few places I would go, but I am not sure I would find it any more satisfying than what I read on TV which oddly enough better reflects street comments that are often ill informed, persoanl, belief based etc

[Rhys]

5555555555 clowns.... tttttsssss

[jasreeve17]

Jasreeve. This is poltics we are talking about. Intellectual debate? Those two never ever go together. Obfuscate, confuse, mislead, distract, divert etc etc are the ways of politics and the even more so the PR game that goes with it these days to lead opinion. It isnt about truth or fact. This is the modern world of belief, and it a world that even Goebbels would have been amazed at but that is where we are and it isnt confined to Thailand at all where every side is as bad as each other.

And, to the politcal players it is all very very clear and understood. It is just you cant have the horrible real face exposed.

However, referring to TV this after all is a web forum and people have many reasons to come here and say what they want. It isnt an intellectual deabating place and it is imho impossible to find them on the net anyway if they exist anywhere in this day and age. Lets be honest a lot of the jousting that goes on on here is just peopel trying to wind each other up and score points which is fair enough. If I personally wanted intellectual debate I could think of a few places I would go, but I am not sure I would find it any more satisfying than what I read on TV which oddly enough better reflects street comments that are often ill informed, persoanl, belief based etc

Yes and no.

Much of what you say is true in reality, I agree.

But, many folk on here try so hard to be smart / intellectual (Not me, I know I'm distinctly average in the IQ department... ) whilst offering up such stupid comments. Look at the post above yours for example: he knows full well about the coup, the army supported PAD, abuse of martial law, public money handed out by Abhisit to the army as his first job once in power, etc...but still that poster insists in childish insults denying the reality - and on so many threads pretends to be clever too... Why do these folk bother?

Hammered, I often wonder on this new Nation inspired website why we don't just have one thread: I HATE THE REDS!

I wonder this because despite the title of any thread the usual suspects entre the fray bleating: I HATE THE REDS, and they do so in such a hate filled blinkered fashion that it's almost farcical. So, yes it is all politics, but we have different threads with different titles on different subjects. So, let's at least try to do the thread titles justice. Or, is that asking too much???

[TAWP]

Atleast you are honest in your dishonesty.

And then being dishonest in your rambling on what was done and by whom. But then again, you are not here to try to be fair or give an objective view of the situation.

[hammered]

I dunno if anyone really hates the reds or the yellows. At the end of the day they are groups of Thai people. Sure leaderships can be hated and even political parties but to hate all those in a movement is a pretty bad thing.

But I digress. Hijacking of threads has been going on for ages by supporters of both the main sides.

[Rumfoord]

By the way anyone who has spent more than 5 seconds discussing Thai poltics with a variety of Thai people knows exaclty to what everything refers in every case and not just this one. Thai political games thrive on innuendo, supposition and rumour partly because of severe defeamation laws and partly to do with local polticla culture. Family memebers of polticiansd have alwasy been seen as fair game whether those a particular western persuasion approve or not. Poltics is a very very dirty game.

i talked for more than 10 seconds with a couple of Thai people (including readers of Gossip magazine), all of them said dragging family issues of an opponent into the public discussion is bad mouth and disgusting.

i don't think that Thaksins children or his ex-wife or similar family relatives are a 'fair game' for dirty jokes. neither is it Abhisits wife. she is a mathematician. kudos for that. but she has nothing to do with political issues and also no a subject of dirty jokes.

here in the forum, only the usual suspect of lesser intellectual abilities doing that or trying to defend it. and if you wanna do it - it doesn't makes you more Thai than me nor i am wearing western blinkers if i am refuse to do it.

[LawnGnome]

By the way, jasreeve17, you are one of those "Usual suspects" you always refer too. lol

[LawnGnome]

By the way anyone who has spent more than 5 seconds discussing Thai poltics with a variety of Thai people knows exaclty to what everything refers in every case and not just this one. Thai political games thrive on innuendo, supposition and rumour partly because of severe defeamation laws and partly to do with local polticla culture. Family memebers of polticiansd have alwasy been seen as fair game whether those a particular western persuasion approve or not. Poltics is a very very dirty game.

i talked for more than 10 seconds with a couple of Thai people (including readers of Gossip magazine), all of them said dragging family issues of an opponent into the public discussion is bad mouth and disgusting.

i don't think that Thaksins children or his ex-wife or similar family relatives are a 'fair game' for dirty jokes. neither is it Abhisits wife. she is a mathematician. kudos for that. but she has nothing to do with political issues and also no a subject of dirty jokes.

here in the forum, only the usual suspect of lesser intellectual abilities doing that or trying to defend it. and if you wanna do it - it doesn't makes you more Thai than me nor i am wearing western blinkers if i am refuse to do it.

Ahhh, but therein lies the rub. You see - Thaksin's ex and children have never made of secret of their political dealings. Therefore, they ARE fair game, and should be treated as such.

[jasreeve17]

I dunno if anyone really hates the reds or the yellows. At the end of the day they are groups of Thai people. Sure leaderships can be hated and even political parties but to hate all those in a movement is a pretty bad thing.

But I digress. Hijacking of threads has been going on for ages by supporters of both the main sides.

But they do Hammered; they show real ignorance and hatred, it's awful.

I've been amongst PAD and RED rallies, and I've seen that 95% of the people at the rallies were normal folk. The PAD were better dressed, turned up in nicer cars and ate from nicely prepared luch baskets, but they were decent everyday folk, just like the reds. Now, listen to some on here ranting about the violent thugs from one group or another, they do it with real intensity; I can imagine their foaming mouths as they speak...

Both sides have violent groups and have shown violence from time to time, but these are thugs brought in to cause trouble, they are not the backbone of either group. The real trouble makers are the leaders, on both sides. Worse still are the really violent gys; the army and people that order them - ah see, we get back to the thread eventually.

Hijacking of threads is silly, but it's systematic by certain posters. Some PAD blinkered boys actually have the agenda of hyjacking every thread, I strongly believe this. I also believe that at least two members on here are probably paid to do so, but less of the conspiricy theories...

[jasreeve17]

By the way, jasreeve17, you are one of those "Usual suspects" you always refer too. lol

Sorry I said something bad about Mahidol.

(You've been waiting... )

[LawnGnome]

Nobody hates Thai people. But hating people who wear their agendas on their sleeves so easily is easy. Thakin and the red shirt leadership, as well as the PAD leadership, are all people to be despised. People call Abhisit a puppet, but that puppet seems to be a man trying to do the right thing, in a den of vipers, and I wish him the best.

[Rumfoord]

By the way, jasreeve17, you are one of those "Usual suspects" you always refer too. lol

the usual suspect are awesome. i like them too, intellectually challenged and entertaining.

[LawnGnome]

By the way, jasreeve17, you are one of those "Usual suspects" you always refer too. lol

Sorry I said something bad about Mahidol.

(You've been waiting... )

You're opinion on that issue matters about as much to me as your opinion on any other. I won't think about it again, so don't trouble your pretty little head.

[Publicus]

Lots of old people who were never democratically elected seem to have problems adjusting to a changing world and changing environments. Problem is you cant expect much from 80 plus year old aristocrats. Thailand is not the only country in Asia suffering from the same illness.

Speaking of other countries of Asia, how old is Hun Sen?

[Rumfoord]

Lots of old people who were never democratically elected seem to have problems adjusting to a changing world and changing environments. Problem is you cant expect much from 80 plus year old aristocrats. Thailand is not the only country in Asia suffering from the same illness.

Speaking of other countries of Asia, how old is Hun Sen?

this thread is about a motion in the Thai parliament. if you want to talk about Jatuporns mother, a senior person too, you would be somehow still on topic, but in an ill manner.

if you, after you got told in an other thread to stop your anti-chinese rant, now want here bitch about cambodia you are off topic again.

i recommend that you exercise your hate somewhere else.

[Rumfoord]

Lots of old people who were never democratically elected seem to have problems adjusting to a changing world and changing environments. Problem is you cant expect much from 80 plus year old aristocrats. Thailand is not the only country in Asia suffering from the same illness.

Speaking of other countries of Asia, how old is Hun Sen?

this thread is about a motion in the Thai parliament. if you want to talk about Jatuporns mother, a senior person too, you would be somehow still on topic, but in an ill manner.

if you, after you got told in an other thread to stop your anti-chinese rant, now want here bitch about cambodia you are off topic again.

i recommend that you exercise your hate somewhere else.

[Publicus]

Lots of old people who were never democratically elected seem to have problems adjusting to a changing world and changing environments. Problem is you cant expect much from 80 plus year old aristocrats. Thailand is not the only country in Asia suffering from the same illness.

Speaking of other countries of Asia, how old is Hun Sen?

this thread is about a motion in the Thai parliament. if you want to talk about Jatuporns mother, a senior person too, you would be somehow still on topic, but in an ill manner.

if you, after you got told in an other thread to stop your anti-chinese rant, now want here bitch about cambodia you are off topic again.

i recommend that you exercise your hate somewhere else.

Thank you for your time and attention. If I should need anything from you I'll get back to you.

[ballpoint]

the usual suspect are awesome. i like them too, intellectually challenged and entertaining.

Ho hum, another red shirt hugger, with nothing to add to the debate, resorting to flaming his opponents by calling them morons. On more threads than this one too. Interestingly, resorting to name calling is definitely not the mark of an intelligent debater.

Now, here's an intelligent post on the topic. Maybe they thought he was going to put his motion in a plastic bag and fling it at Abhisit, following a time honoured red tradition. One discussed with much energy and amusement by some of the sadly departed members of the forum.

[jasreeve17]

By the way, jasreeve17, you are one of those "Usual suspects" you always refer too. lol

Sorry I said something bad about Mahidol.

(You've been waiting... )

You're opinion on that issue matters about as much to me as your opinion on any other. I won't think about it again, so don't trouble your pretty little head.

Are you planning to discuss the thread at some point, or just flame?

Your talk of people who are... easy to hate, and despise... is not gonna help democracy develop, IMO, or forward a debate in this or any other thread. Too much hate talk on this forum.

I would love for a great leader to come to the fore in Thailand and really force democracy forward for the sake of the Thai people. A guy who refused to participate in elections because he would lose (like his party has lost every election in their history...), and who was put into power by a coup, and now pushes forward a nationalistic agenda for the benefit of his army and elitist benefactors. A man who promises, but has never delivered: free elections... Well, for me, this is not the great democratic leader that Thailand needs, or you suggest he may be.

Of course, a rich guy who refuses to visit the poor areas of Thailand to meet the people, a guy who was educated in the most elitist environment in the world: Eton, a guy with a lovely smile whose head movements and body language are in complete contradiction to the things he says (watch the BBC interview from a few months back "Will you have elections soon": "Yes" shaking his head the whole time and blinking... "Are you the puppet of the army": "No" Nodding his head the whole time, blinling, rubbing his sweaty palms and refusing to meet the interviewer's eye. The interviewer by the way was shocked by his behaviour, she kept looking at the camera in bewilderment as if to say "Is this moron for real???'")... Yeah, Abhisit the hero... Yeah, the Dems have really proven themselves over the years too...

Call me irrational and flame me some more if you like...

[Rumfoord]

Now, here's an intelligent post on the topic. Maybe they thought he was going to put his motion in a plastic bag and fling it at Abhisit, following a time honoured red tradition.

i think that would be inappropriate in a parliament.

and imagine : someone could take the movie clip of it and turn it into a animated gif and use that as avatar in a forum. the throw action in an endless loop. again and again. meant to be funny but in the end childish and over the time annoying for everybody else.

and intelligent? no. not even entertaining.

[animatic]

As opposed to simply purloining a Larry Niven Book cover for instance?

[TAWP]

Watch the BBC interview from a few months back "Will you have elections soon": "Yes" shaking his head the whole time and blinking... "Are you the puppet of the army": "No" Nodding his head the whole time, blinling, rubbing his sweaty palms and refusing to meet the interviewer's eye. The interviewer by the way was shocked by his behaviour, she kept looking at the camera in bewilderment as if to say "Is this moron for real???'")...

I find it almost amusing how a person can paint the world in bright colors in their own mind and then complain about the choice of palette.

[ballpoint]

Now, here's an intelligent post on the topic. Maybe they thought he was going to put his motion in a plastic bag and fling it at Abhisit, following a time honoured red tradition.

i think that would be inappropriate in a parliament.

and imagine : someone could take the movie clip of it and turn it into a animated gif and use that as avatar in a forum. the throw action in an endless loop. again and again. meant to be funny but in the end childish and over the time annoying for everybody else.

and intelligent? no. not even entertaining.

So, where would an appropriate location be? Jatuporn will be most interested as to where he can get the best effect. He can't really afford to waste a single one, after all, he's not made of motions. Well, not below the neck anyway.

By the way, I'll have you know my avatar won the esteemed "Golden Banana" award for best short film at the prestigious first annual Barackville Film Festival and Hog Calling Contest. With special motion, sorry, mention, in the Thai Parliament. The judges remarked on its being "funny, without being childish", and "extremely intelligent entertainment, without being annoying, no matter how many times we watch it". I'm very surprised you didn't read about my acceptance speech in the Nation, where I called the few judges who didn't vote for it morons, and said I'd never put any money into their home towns ever again.

Back on topic, since Jatuporn was quoted as saying not to talk about his mother, unless you know the truth, and we all do know the truth, then he can't really complain when we talk about her. Unless there's another secret out there?

[mca]

Ho hum, another red shirt hugger, with nothing to add to the debate, resorting to flaming his opponents by calling them morons. On more threads than this one too. Interestingly, resorting to name calling is definitely not the mark of an intelligent debater.

Says the man who refers to another poster as a "red shirt hugger"

[ballpoint]

Says the man who refers to another poster as a "red shirt hugger"

Aha! You fell into my cunning trap. By successfully using my own argument against me, you are agreeing with what I said. Personal insults and the questioning of a fellow poster's intelligence should have no place on this forum. The fact that the anonymous poster being called a dimwit could actually be Mr / Ms brainiac of the century, but happens to have an opposing view to the one doing the name calling, only serves to highlight the folly of doing so. While being a proud, and happy, lunatic myself, I would never deem to drag another poster down to my level, and this forum needs more of the same. And half a pint of fish and a pink gerbil.

[mca]

AHA! I see your cunning ruse.

[Thai at Heart]

Says the man who refers to another poster as a "red shirt hugger"

Aha! You fell into my cunning trap. By successfully using my own argument against me, you are agreeing with what I said. Personal insults and the questioning of a fellow poster's intelligence should have no place on this forum. The fact that the anonymous poster being called a dimwit could actually be Mr / Ms brainiac of the century, but happens to have an opposing view to the one doing the name calling, only serves to highlight the folly of doing so. While being a proud, and happy, lunatic myself, I would never deem to drag another poster down to my level, and this forum needs more of the same. And half a pint of fish and a pink gerbil.

Baldrick, you have outdone yourself there.