Desperate Thaksin May Go For Broke

[justanothercybertosser]

I suggest Mr. Supernova study the "Ten Steps to Dictatorship" of which one of the most important steps is to shut down all unfavorable news sources. Then review all the unbelievably large suits Mr. T brought against such news sources when he was in power. That is when I realized he was purposing to take absolute control of Thailand. Blessedly he was removed in time.

And i would suggest to look at the recent rankings regarding press freedom in Thailand - lower than ever, lower than even under Thaksin. Now lese majeste laws and the by the coup group installed cyber crime act is used to intimidate too critical medias. It wasn't good under Thaksin - but now it is worse.

[anon8]

my prediction for Dec 2009

court will find Thaksin assets now belong to Kingdom

Dec will be bloody, much worse than April

current gov and PM will stand cos most of the mil and police force will side with current gov

why: T's timing. He always takes up too much at the time. Beginning of Dec is no time to flex muscles, even the North of this country will know an insult when they see one. Next month will be the end of T

[LawnGnome]

my prediction for Dec 2009

court will find Thaksin assets now belong to Kingdom

Dec will be bloody, much worse than April

current gov and PM will stand cos most of the mil and police force will side with current gov

why: T's timing. He always takes up too much at the time. Beginning of Dec is no time to flex muscles, even the North of this country will know an insult when they see one. Next month will be the end of T

My prediciton for Dec - Thaksin's money will be gone, the red shirts will go home, and the government will continue on its way.

[LawnGnome]

Agree 100%, ABHISIT MUST GO!

Yes, the soft spoken leader who represents Thailand so well to the world, makes considered and measured judgments, and has (through his governments policies) helped Thailand weather the worst global depression in 50 years, while simultaneously battling two hostile, mouth-breathing segments of society (reds and yellows), and a megalomaniac with no scruples about sending innocents to die to reclaim his lost fortunes - Abhisit is obviously a poor choice for leader of Thailand. BRING BACK SAMAK.

[DocHolliday]

And Thaksin must go to jail!

[LawnGnome]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is - will the recent Camobodia flare up, and the proximity to "He who must not be named" b'day, affect the red turnout for the rallys. Lets be clear - Jatuporn said it would be "millions". Government intelligence figures estimate 40,000. I will be interested to see who is correct.

40,000 people is not insignificant, but its not a million - its not even a 100,000, and it certainly isn't going to "Topple" a sitting government, who appears to be firmly in control (that control being established through Abhisit's leadership during "Bloody" Songkran).

[animatic]

my prediction for Dec 2009

court will find Thaksin assets now belong to Kingdom

Dec will be bloody, much worse than April

current gov and PM will stand cos most of the mil and police force will side with current gov

why: T's timing. He always takes up too much at the time. Beginning of Dec is no time to flex muscles, even the North of this country will know an insult when they see one. Next month will be the end of T

My prediciton for Dec - Thaksin's money will be gone, the red shirts will go home, and the government will continue on its way.

Thaksin will still have enough cash to wreak havoc,

and will go round the twist when his big pile goes bye bye.

He is very close to this as preemptive strike right now,

either as threatening point for negotiations,

or in the belief that negotiations will go now where.

At that point he will likely try by force to take back his money.

And the democracy seeking pawns of his game will discover his truer nature.

His loss of face has been festering for years now, and he can see his machinations

to hide his his Shin Corp assets and control were done poorly,

but will of course blame all others than himself.

Megalomania is a pretty lonely game when you are isolated from the levers of power you so covet,

and even with some strings to pull it's not 'that same old feeling of unbridled power'. An aphrodisiac for sure

Having someone to blame for your loss, of course, gives a focal point for revenge fantasies,

coupled to that return to power. SHOWING that re-found power for all to see.

High season may well be lost again, the rest of Thailands needs pale in comparison to

Thaksin's need to regain his lost face and money and exact a revenge on those who have taken it.

Regardless that he most likely originally took it from them to begin with....

[junglist]

Sorry Gnome Samak has just died. You must find a new murdered to champion.

PS. You nailed it on your comment.

[LawnGnome]

Sorry Gnome Samak has just died. You must find a new murdered to champion.

PS. You nailed it on your comment.

I think you have the wrong gnome - I never championed Samak, except perhaps champion of the hot dog eaters.

[jaapfries]

". . . . . . he gets his money back . . . . . . ."

Duuuh; "HIS MONEY" ? ? ? ? ?

That sure-as-heck ain't His Money, this is money fraudulently obtained and should revert back to the People of Thailand.

JGK/Pattaya

Edited November 24, 2009 by jaapfries

[livinthailandos]

Really were on 4 pages now of thaksin bashing, sigh it seems nothing ever really changes on here

Regarding Thaksin being desperate and his UDD as their both connected:

I suppose the reds are going to go all out and try to be successful as when the last years yellows / PAD closed the airport. Although I just simply want to point out last year, the PAD had been out protesting for how many days and months. Also as another forum pointed out, didn't back in april the reds / UDD said they would have a million protestors, yeah that didn't happen.

As with anything any thailand you can't predict anything, as this foreigner told me thailand is like a person with heart problems sometimes its fine, sometimes its in cardiac arrest.

[LawnGnome]

The ongoing diplomatic row with the Cambodian Government wouldn't have happened had Abhisit kept his cool. But I guess he just had too much of a hard-on for Thaksin to let it pass... What Abhisit needs is a crash course in Diplomacy.

LOL - you really don't understand the score do you?

[Samuian]

The ongoing diplomatic row with the Cambodian Government wouldn't have happened had Abhisit kept his cool. But I guess he just had too much of a hard-on for Thaksin to let it pass... What Abhisit needs is a crash course in Diplomacy.

LOL - you really don't understand the score do you?

Guess he does, but as a genuine "Noppadon Fan and Thaksin Supporter" he & anyone of this red shirt fan club will insist that black is white, bad is good and wrong is right, fabricate wild accusations and invent "fact's"without base, lacking any evidence, declare a de facto dictator ship as a "genuine democratically elected government" if proven wrong - will vehemently deny to have ever said something like this and then sue you for libel, slander, defamation, insult and start a massive mudslinging campaign, with even more fabricated accusations and invented "fact's"without base and evidence, if asked for it, they will insist that some "dark force" has already tempered with it!

It's just the way the fabric of this bunch is woven, that is all!

listen but keep smilin', it's way too obvious!

Edited November 24, 2009 by Samuian

[Publicus]

The ongoing diplomatic row with the Cambodian Government wouldn't have happened had Abhisit kept his cool. But I guess he just had too much of a hard-on for Thaksin to let it pass... What Abhisit needs is a crash course in Diplomacy.

LOL - you really don't understand the score do you?

Guess he does, but as a genuine "Noppadon Fan and Thaksin Supporter" he & anyone of this red shirt fan club will insist that black is white, bad is good and wrong is right, fabricate wild accusations and invent "fact's"without base, lacking any evidence, declare a de facto dictator ship as a "genuine democratically elected government" if proven wrong - will vehemently deny to have ever said something like this and then sue you for libel, slander, defamation, insult and start a massive mudslinging campaign, with even more fabricated accusations and invented "fact's"without base and evidence, if asked for it, they will insist that some "dark force" has already tempered with it!

It's just the way the fabric of this bunch is woven, that is all!

listen but keep smilin', it's way too obvious!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[xminator]

"Fugitive" and "Criminal" is missing from the subject.

[jif]

Government cannot afford to be lax in upcoming showdown with Thaksin

Thaksin Shinawatra is gearing up for a fight to the finish, with all the resources and manpower at his disposal, to topple the Abhisit government - initially through public rallies and then, if the situation warrants it, through violence.

This time, Thaksin's final battle has been hyped as a real showdown because time is running out to prevent his Bt76-billion fortune from being seized permanently by the state. The noises coming from red-shirt leaders are that up to one million people will join a mass uprising against the government.

That number is ridiculously exaggerated by whatever measure, including the previous peaks achieved by the red shirts. They usually claim a high number of rally participants to seek money from Thaksin, the paymaster for destabilising the government. They threaten violence through protest rallies in the capital, creating havoc and misery for Bangkokians, who have dreadful memories of the red shirts on the rampage and the senseless riots during the Songkran festival.

Thaksin has summoned potential trouble-makers to get clear orders from him in Dubai, and they have done so with impunity, as if showing confidence that this final battle will lead to their victory. Never mind the disastrous consequences for the future of the country.

If Thaksin wants a million people in the streets to bring him back to power and regain his lost treasure, it will take a war chest of billions of baht. If the rallies turn ugly, leading to confrontation with soldiers and police guarding the city, the authorities could also have to deal with people who are fed up with the harassment by the red shirts. If conflicts escalate, what comes next, and the degree of mayhem, is anybody's guess.

The key factor lies in the number of red shirts turning out in the city and the scope of the rallies in the provinces. If the number is under 60,000 then the menace will not be serious, unless they resort to violence in the hope that the military will intervene to force an abrupt change of government. That would lead to a more chaotic situation.

Thaksin has spent money to lure at least 50 retired generals - all of them his classmates in the pre-cadet school - to stand by his side, plus some older veterans and ex-mercenaries from the wars in Vietnam and Laos. They have betrayed their country for Thaksin's money and the promise of more spoils if their mission is accomplished.

Thaksin's soldiers of fortune comprise the red shirts, hired thugs, members of the Pheu Thai Party and followers left from the dissolution of his two earlier parties. They are supposed to be more formidable and they also aim high - abolition of the monarchy, if possible.

Their objectives have never been kept secret. The red-shirt leaders simply intend to topple the government - via treason or otherwise. Their counterparts in Chiang Mai talked on the radio last week, saying that they would kill Abhisit if he sets foot in the province to attend the meeting of the Thai Chamber of Commerce. They will mobilise up to 100,000 people from eight northern provinces to fulfil the mission.

As of yesterday, local police and authorities were trying to get arrest warrants issued by the Criminal Court to pre-empt this blatant move and also to revoke the bail given to them earlier. Putting them in confinement will take a lot of strength from the entire force.

If Thaksin wants this showdown, the government must be prepared to respond likewise, or more forcefully, if violence flares up. Either the Internal Security Act must be enforced, or martial law imposed, if necessary, to ensure effective crowd control.

At the same time, Abhisit must tell the people what he is prepared to do, because the rallies will be protracted until the government is ousted. He must ensure that the armed forces stay on his side, and convince them that there is no need for a coup, never mind how frequently this option has been raised by speculators and analysts.

What has brought us to this stage of a possible confrontation? Weak hands on the part of the government and foolish complacency on the part of those who fail to accomplish their tasks. The rest boils down to too much politics and incompetence. The government has not done what it should have: That is, to use its official media apparatus to enlighten those people who still have blind faith in Thaksin and his money. It has also failed to use the legal machinery to deal with law-breakers and red-shirt thugs for their callous attacks on the monarchy and other criminal offences. There is no room for excuse. The government will be forced to try to survive this latest adversity.

Sidelines

By Sopon Onkgara

The Nation

Published on November 24, 2009

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/11/24...on_30117183.php

[Jingthing]

Good article. What would the Thaksin apologists have the government do, roll over and turn the other cheek to a violent mob? WHY? They have proven what they are about at Black Sonkran, that was a dress rehearsal.

Edited November 24, 2009 by Jingthing

[Samuian]

"Fugitive" and "Criminal" is missing from the subject.

Kudos, Kudos then to you and thank you for adding!

As I am not very well versed in the Law here, I am not sure yet about "Criminal",

but won't argue if you happen to know better,

yet he has been sentenced for misusing his position as premier,

the many other cases will be concluded soon!

Then we will know!

I mean concealing ones assets, specially in his case, isn't exactly criminal

as mugging or robbing a person, but siphoning off massive money off the states

coffers is something like corruption - lucky he wasn't caught red handed in China -

there it's punished with the death sentence, because it causes direct harm to the citizens,

a Politician, especially a Prime Minister has vowed to protect and support!

Damages the country....it's state of welfare, infrastructure... name it, corruption is like cancer!

Enlighten us a bit more, the audience will be so much happier if You can do -

so few politically well educated people around here,

your knowledge is a big boon to this thread!

[LawnGnome]

Good article. What would the Thaksin apologists have the government do, roll over and turn the other cheek to a violent mob? WHY? They have proven what they are about at Black Sonkran, that was a dress rehearsal.

It was a good article until the final paragraph, then she lost the plot slightly.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

That's commendable that you still bother too read any "ANALYSIS" in The Nation!

[Jingthing]

That's commendable that you still bother too read any "ANALYSIS" in The Nation!

Right you are, it is an opinion piece. The other poster had a point that the final paragraph was a weak one.

"Fugitive" and "Criminal" is missing from the subject.

Maybe next time.

Edited November 24, 2009 by Jingthing

[brahmburgers]

I suggest Mr. Supernova study the "Ten Steps to Dictatorship" of which one of the most important steps is to shut down all unfavorable news sources. Then review all the unbelievably large suits Mr. T brought against such news sources when he was in power. That is when I realized he was purposing to take absolute control of Thailand. Blessedly he was removed in time.

As much as I dislike coup d'etats, I more deeply dislike a person who is making Thailand his personal fiefdom. Thaksin with his iron fist trying to clamp down on, and cow news organizations was only the tip of the iceberg. As anyone who's read the news and/or this forum for the past seven years knows, T has a long ugly history with several facets of Thailand and its people. Not least are the unnecessary deaths of dozens of young Muslim men while T was directly in charge.

.....Thaksin never even came close to taking absolute control. The Thai people would never accept it.

Garbagio. Many Thai people would accept it. Look at what they already accept on day to day basis, with nary a complaint.

". . . . . . he gets his money back . . . . . . ."

Duuuh; "HIS MONEY" ? ? ? ? ? That sure-as-heck ain't His Money, this is money fraudulently obtained and should revert back to the People of Thailand. JGK/Pattaya

Good point, and something I've stressed every time this subject is broached. The money which is frozen is not 'his money' any more than a bank's money is the property of the bank robber who briefly had his thieving hands on it.

Getting back to the OP. Yes, T is pulling what basketball coaches call 'a full court press.' He's red-eyed frazzled about losing such a big chunk of money, even though he could spend $1,000 an hour for the rest of his life and still have enough left over for a few small islands in the Adriatic. He would not hesitate to continue to drag Thailand and its people through blood and muck, if that's what he thinks it will take to put him back in the power seat.

Edited November 24, 2009 by brahmburgers

[animatic]

The ongoing diplomatic row with the Cambodian Government wouldn't have happened had Abhisit kept his cool. But I guess he just had too much of a hard-on for Thaksin to let it pass... What Abhisit needs is a crash course in Diplomacy.

LOL - you really don't understand the score do you?

Hun Sen and Thaksin just kept upping the anti. There ARE no good moves possible,

because no move will change the opposite sides aims of distraction and destruction.

Not much Abhisit can do, but consider the classic diplomatic methods.

You don't seen to realize that THEY are making an concerted effort to

hassle Thailand, to the point of

taking hostages under the guise of security,

taking over Thai run companies property in guise of ignoring one treaty for

another in dispute.

Legitimizing direct theft because they want something else,

and these will do as a bargining chip.

There is nothing diplomatic with the moves being made

on Thailand's government.

And this is ALL a set up for the coming debackle of extended RedShirt protest to

Bring Down The Government.... This has nothing to do with Abhisit making

poor diplomatic choices, there ARE not good ones to make vs Hun Sen's concerted,

Thaksin instigated, effort to cause as much trouble and distraction as possible.

[animatic]

In general the worst moves anyone has made was

to time the end game of his money's court disposition so that it

a ) timed to HRM birthday.

b ) coincided with high seasons start

c ) wasn't in a low season and neutral time frame.

Guess no one in the courts thought that far ahead...

[Supernova]

If the court doesn't rule in Thaksin's favor, a good chunk of the money will probably end up in someone else's pocket. I'm sure the perpetrators of the coup are eagerly waiting to get their piece of the pie.

[Jingthing]

If the court doesn't rule in Thaksin's favor, a good chunk of the money will probably end up in someone else's pocket. I'm sure the perpetrators of the coup are eagerly waiting to get their piece of the pie.

What is your evidence for this? It comes off as a flippant charge based on nothing.

[anon8]

/quote..

animatic: Guess no one in the courts thought that far ahead... /end quote/

You think the courts timing is coincidental? Fully knowing what the verdict will be, they timed it well, I'd say

Edited November 24, 2009 by valgehiir

[animatic]

/quote..

animatic: Guess no one in the courts thought that far ahead... /end quote/

You think the courts timing is a coincidental? Knowing full well the verdict, they timed it well, I'd say

If forcing Thaksin to screw the pooch in such a dastardly time frame is a planned event...

I still doubt the full repercussions were fully considered.

Full multifaceted forethought is not notably a Thai trait. Some do certainly, but ...

well if you live here you know what I MEAN,

and that I don't mean it in a nasty way.

[Supernova]

If the court doesn't rule in Thaksin's favor, a good chunk of the money will probably end up in someone else's pocket. I'm sure the perpetrators of the coup are eagerly waiting to get their piece of the pie.

What is your evidence for this? It comes off as a flippant charge based on nothing.

<deleted>?!

Have you got reading comprehension problems? READ my post carefully. I was merely stating an opinion, not a flippant charge as you so eloquently put it. Knowing how things are in this country, I'd say it's a distinct possibility.

[Publicus]

If the court doesn't rule in Thaksin's favor, a good chunk of the money will probably end up in someone else's pocket. I'm sure the perpetrators of the coup are eagerly waiting to get their piece of the pie.

What is your evidence for this? It comes off as a flippant charge based on nothing.

<deleted>?!

Have you got reading comprehension problems? READ my post carefully. I was merely stating an opinion, not a flippant charge as you so eloquently put it. Knowing how things are in this country, I'd say it's a distinct possibility.

Opinion, speculation, whatever - you're hauling the claim down out of the blue.

Still, the Thai military is fair game.

Edited November 24, 2009 by Publicus