Red Shirts Expected To Cause Chaos In January

[Moonrakers]

Well if they are going to kick off, I hope that they do so whilst I am at Koh Samet.

[mahtin]

Nostradamus think and wrote exactly the same....Oops...same same but.....

Jan 6 2010 3:54 am watch the date and time.

Whose time zone?

[bkkjames]

Nostradamus think and wrote exactly the same....Oops...same same but.....

Jan 6 2010 3:54 am watch the date and time.

Whose time zone?

Khon Kaen's mate. Didn't you get the notice in your mail box?

[badgerbailey]

I understand the cooperation between The Nation and Thaivisa, but sometimes it's becoming quite dull with the one-sided stream of Thailand news, exclusively by The Nation, published on News Clippings.

Isn't there anything else -source wise- the audience on Thaivisa can "consume" other than The Nation ?

LaoPo

Technically, it's news reporting - citing one un-named cabinet source, then citing Suthep, then citing a named spokesman citing Suthep..... meaning you could be forgiven for thinking it's all from Suthep..... but then again - so what? It's sloppy writing that wouldn't be acceptable in most "quality" news media but there's no shortage of examples like this in both The Nation and Bangkok Post - and thus there's no reason to dwell on TVF's business partner. Except, of course, we don't get to see the Post material reproduced here.

There are other English language resources out there - people should check them out and post here on TVF what they think is relevant to the discussion. Of course, quoting from/linking to blogs that contain opposing views will predictably attract the neat comment (from those who disagree with those views) that "it's only a blog" i.e. worthless. That seems a curious attitude when the same posters often seem happy to treat all Nation opinion pieces (some) packed with speculation, inaccuracies and unsupported claims almost as if they were holy writ. Quality blogs cite linked references to back up their commentary. As seen from the responses posted on them, readers are quick to identify where they think the blog writer has jumped to unsupported or irrational conclusions; the better blogs are not aimed at just lock-step devotees of the blogger's views and IMO have a valuable contribution to make.

Can somebody point me in the direction of these other English language resources or better still an English language news source that isn't completely one sided cause i'm sick to death of reading this Nation SH*TE every day.

[bkkjames]

I understand the cooperation between The Nation and Thaivisa, but sometimes it's becoming quite dull with the one-sided stream of Thailand news, exclusively by The Nation, published on News Clippings.

Isn't there anything else -source wise- the audience on Thaivisa can "consume" other than The Nation ?

LaoPo

Technically, it's news reporting - citing one un-named cabinet source, then citing Suthep, then citing a named spokesman citing Suthep..... meaning you could be forgiven for thinking it's all from Suthep..... but then again - so what? It's sloppy writing that wouldn't be acceptable in most "quality" news media but there's no shortage of examples like this in both The Nation and Bangkok Post - and thus there's no reason to dwell on TVF's business partner. Except, of course, we don't get to see the Post material reproduced here.

There are other English language resources out there - people should check them out and post here on TVF what they think is relevant to the discussion. Of course, quoting from/linking to blogs that contain opposing views will predictably attract the neat comment (from those who disagree with those views) that "it's only a blog" i.e. worthless. That seems a curious attitude when the same posters often seem happy to treat all Nation opinion pieces (some) packed with speculation, inaccuracies and unsupported claims almost as if they were holy writ. Quality blogs cite linked references to back up their commentary. As seen from the responses posted on them, readers are quick to identify where they think the blog writer has jumped to unsupported or irrational conclusions; the better blogs are not aimed at just lock-step devotees of the blogger's views and IMO have a valuable contribution to make.

Can somebody point me in the direction of these other English language resources or better still an English language news source that isn't completely one sided cause i'm sick to death of reading this Nation SH*TE every day.

Chiang Mai Mail?

[clockworkorange]

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.....

Agreed with other posters that the news clipping section is turning into a Nation mirror site. Zzzzzzzz.

Doesn't the messanger have any sources of information other than the boring old Nation / PAD / Thaksin / yellow & red rantings? Doesn't the Nation report on anything other than Thaksin these days?

[clockworkorange]

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.....

This has nothing to do with not liking the message.First of all as so many times has been posted on this forum by certain posters who seem to have 2 rules,one for themselves and another for the rest of the members,I am a guest in this country so I obbey by the rules of my host.

Second I am not into politics of this particular country as I don't have the right to because again I'm only a guest.

Third is that the TV rules say not to post negative comments about Thai people,in my opinion Thaksin is however a fugitive convicted person still a Thai national,so I don't have the right to post or encourage negative comments against him.

And last of all it seems from the news items published that The Nation is extremely one sided and that get a bit boring if it is spread over the TV homepage day after day.

I think I'm not alone in my opinion.

Bravo!

[Artisi]

Seems I'm not the only one sick of hearing about Takki every time he f_arts as if it is something really newworthy and must be given front page treatment. The Nation is or has become so boring I don't even bother to open the site anymore - who want to read same old news day after day.

[bkkjames]

Seems I'm not the only one sick of hearing about Takki every time he f_arts as if it is something really newworthy and must be given front page treatment. The Nation is or has become so boring I don't even bother to open the site anymore - who want to read same old news day after day.

I agree, political coverage in the Eng press here is overboard considering we can't do f all about it. Good for the litter box though.

[LaoPo]

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.....

Webfact, my previous remark wasn't about the specific content of your original post (article by The Nation) and certainly not an attack at your person (as messenger), whether posting as a member or as a Moderator.

It was meant to ask if there's any other source, rather than The Nation, where Thaivisa's members, and I'm talking large numbers of members eager for news, can feed their hunger with English news about Thailand.

I think I'm not the only one who thinks the constant stream of "news" or "made-up news" about Thai Politics is becoming so obviously one-sided and biased that there is no more space for -independent- quality news about Thailand and Thai politics -if there is any!-.

I am a TV member for over 5 years now but the stream of news is becoming exclusively one-sided since I hardly read any other news than posted and sourced by The Nation.

That's a risky road for TV since I always considered TV to be rather quality informed since Administration and Super Mods were posting from various sources; now the source is limited if not almost completely one-sided.

LaoPo

[mca]

There are other English language resources out there - people should check them out and post here on TVF what they think is relevant to the discussion. Of course, quoting from/linking to blogs that contain opposing views will predictably attract the neat comment (from those who disagree with those views) that "it's only a blog" i.e. worthless. That seems a curious attitude when the same posters often seem happy to treat all Nation opinion pieces (some) packed with speculation, inaccuracies and unsupported claims almost as if they were holy writ. Quality blogs cite linked references to back up their commentary. As seen from the responses posted on them, readers are quick to identify where they think the blog writer has jumped to unsupported or irrational conclusions; the better blogs are not aimed at just lock-step devotees of the blogger's views and IMO have a valuable contribution to make.

Stop talking common sense you red shirt Takki loving fool! Some folks on here don't like it!

[FatherF]

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.....

Webfact, my previous remark wasn't about the specific content of your original post (article by The Nation) and certainly not an attack at your person (as messenger), whether posting as a member or as a Moderator.

It was meant to ask if there's any other source, rather than The Nation, where Thaivisa's members, and I'm talking large numbers of members eager for news, can feed their hunger with English news about Thailand.

I think I'm not the only one who thinks the constant stream of "news" or "made-up news" about Thai Politics is becoming so obviously one-sided and biased that there is no more space for -independent- quality news about Thailand and Thai politics -if there is any!-.

I am a TV member for over 5 years now but the stream of news is becoming exclusively one-sided since I hardly read any other news than posted and sourced by The Nation.

That's a risky road for TV since I always considered TV to be rather quality informed since Administration and Super Mods were posting from various sources; now the source is limited if not almost completely one-sided.

LaoPo

Hear Hear

FF

[Steve2UK]

Can somebody point me in the direction of these other English language resources or better still an English language news source that isn't completely one sided cause i'm sick to death of reading this Nation SH*TE every day.

Taking your request at face value, here's a (not complete) list of online resources that you might find useful - I invite any additions that other members feel like making. There is reasonably good if patchy coverage on the sites of international broadcasters like BBC, CNN and Al Jazeera. Similarly, there is patchy coverage of Thai issues on the sites of most UK/US newspapers; Google the broadcaster/title you prefer and do a search on their site for "Thai" or "Thailand".

ONLINE NEWS MEDIA

Bangkok Post - link forbidden here but easy enough to Google (particularly good comments section with each item - unlike The Nation)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia.html

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/

http://www.straitstimes.com/Home.html

BLOGS

http://absolutelybangkok.com/

http://asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog *

http://facthai.wordpress.com/

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/ *

http://news.inbangkok.org/

http://thainews.prd.go.th/newsenglish/index_en.php

http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/

http://www.prachatai.com/english/ *

http://siamreport.blogspot.com/ *

http://<URL Automatically Removed>/

http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/ *

http://www.bangkokbugle.com/

http://nationsstate.blogspot.com/

http://www.tumblerblog.com/

http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/

http://www.jotasean.com/

http://philipgolingai.blogspot.com/ *

http://thegreglowe.com/

http://nganadeeleg.blogspot.com/

http://sovereignmyth.blogspot.com/

http://newley.com/

http://thaicrisis.wordpress.com/ * (now blocked on my Thai TOT connection but not on others apparently)

* Sites I find that I look at and find useful most often - your mileage may vary and you'll soon settle down with what works for you. As mentioned earlier, they usually provide links to other sources/resources - up to you how interested you are in following them. Bangkok Pundit is a firm favourite - not least because he often provides English translations from Matichon, ASTV/Manager, Thai Rath etc.

Now I'll "sit back and wait" for the torrent of abuse telling us that I am corrupting you and trying to convert/hoodwink you. Ah well, that's the looney tunes nature of parts of ThaiVisa these days........

[mca]

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.....

Webfact, my previous remark wasn't about the specific content of your original post (article by The Nation) and certainly not an attack at your person (as messenger), whether posting as a member or as a Moderator.

It was meant to ask if there's any other source, rather than The Nation, where Thaivisa's members, and I'm talking large numbers of members eager for news, can feed their hunger with English news about Thailand.

I think I'm not the only one who thinks the constant stream of "news" or "made-up news" about Thai Politics is becoming so obviously one-sided and biased that there is no more space for -independent- quality news about Thailand and Thai politics -if there is any!-.

I am a TV member for over 5 years now but the stream of news is becoming exclusively one-sided since I hardly read any other news than posted and sourced by The Nation.

That's a risky road for TV since I always considered TV to be rather quality informed since Administration and Super Mods were posting from various sources; now the source is limited if not almost completely one-sided.

LaoPo

You too! Why not just go to Chiang Mai and open a radio station and be done with it! Then you can incite who you like to cause trouble and advocate murder! Just like Metro Life. Oops. Wrong colour. My bad.

[Steve2UK]

There are other English language resources out there - people should check them out and post here on TVF what they think is relevant to the discussion. Of course, quoting from/linking to blogs that contain opposing views will predictably attract the neat comment (from those who disagree with those views) that "it's only a blog" i.e. worthless. That seems a curious attitude when the same posters often seem happy to treat all Nation opinion pieces (some) packed with speculation, inaccuracies and unsupported claims almost as if they were holy writ. Quality blogs cite linked references to back up their commentary. As seen from the responses posted on them, readers are quick to identify where they think the blog writer has jumped to unsupported or irrational conclusions; the better blogs are not aimed at just lock-step devotees of the blogger's views and IMO have a valuable contribution to make.

Stop talking common sense you red shirt Takki loving fool! Some folks on here don't like it!

How DARE you call me a "fool" ???!!!

Oh, sorry, gotta go - Dubai on the line again......... what can he want THIS time?

[mca]

He wants you to pop round to his house because he left in a bit of a hurry and forgot to feed his pet budgie. The keys are under a plastic gnome with a fishing rod in the front garden.

Edited December 2, 2009 by mca

[LaoPo]

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.....

Webfact, my previous remark wasn't about the specific content of your original post (article by The Nation) and certainly not an attack at your person (as messenger), whether posting as a member or as a Moderator.

It was meant to ask if there's any other source, rather than The Nation, where Thaivisa's members, and I'm talking large numbers of members eager for news, can feed their hunger with English news about Thailand.

I think I'm not the only one who thinks the constant stream of "news" or "made-up news" about Thai Politics is becoming so obviously one-sided and biased that there is no more space for -independent- quality news about Thailand and Thai politics -if there is any!-.

I am a TV member for over 5 years now but the stream of news is becoming exclusively one-sided since I hardly read any other news than posted and sourced by The Nation.

That's a risky road for TV since I always considered TV to be rather quality informed since Administration and Super Mods were posting from various sources; now the source is limited if not almost completely one-sided.

LaoPo

You too! Why not just go to Chiang Mai and open a radio station and be done with it! Then you can incite who you like to cause trouble and advocate murder! Just like Metro Life. Oops. Wrong colour. My bad.

Some people don't use their brains since they do NOT READ PROPERLY...and draw conclusions.

I pity them.

LaoPo

[mahtin]

Entering Thai in the Google news search box works.

[Stumbo]

Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.....

I don't think anyone was having a go at you, seems your job is to post here every day whatever the Nations latest anti red rant is. I've complained about this before, intersting to see others doing so as well.

Another paper ran the story as to why after all this time no yellows have been prosecuted for the airport seizure, and yet reds are harassed, arrested and jailed. But you will never see that in The Nation or mentioned here.

Just look at today's ho-hum story about supposed chaos from the reds, all from a comment by a government minister. No backup, no querying the reds, just the usual biased rubbish.

Quite frankly the Nation is unresearched, repetitive and boring. It is an insult and a disgrace that it is foisted upon this forum as news whereas it it purely propaganda.

[LaoPo]

Can somebody point me in the direction of these other English language resources or better still an English language news source that isn't completely one sided cause i'm sick to death of reading this Nation SH*TE every day.

Taking your request at face value, here's a (not complete) list of online resources that you might find useful - I invite any additions that other members feel like making. There is reasonably good if patchy coverage on the sites of international broadcasters like BBC, CNN and Al Jazeera. Similarly, there is patchy coverage of Thai issues on the sites of most UK/US newspapers; Google the broadcaster/title you prefer and do a search on their site for "Thai" or "Thailand".

ONLINE NEWS MEDIA

Bangkok Post - link forbidden here but easy enough to Google (particularly good comments section with each item - unlike The Nation)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia.html

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/

http://www.straitstimes.com/Home.html

BLOGS

http://absolutelybangkok.com/

http://asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog *

http://facthai.wordpress.com/

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/ *

http://news.inbangkok.org/

http://thainews.prd.go.th/newsenglish/index_en.php

http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/

http://www.prachatai.com/english/ *

http://siamreport.blogspot.com/ *

http://<URL Automatically Removed>/

http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/ *

http://www.bangkokbugle.com/

http://nationsstate.blogspot.com/

http://www.tumblerblog.com/

http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/

http://www.jotasean.com/

http://philipgolingai.blogspot.com/ *

http://thegreglowe.com/

http://nganadeeleg.blogspot.com/

http://sovereignmyth.blogspot.com/

http://newley.com/

http://thaicrisis.wordpress.com/ * (now blocked on my Thai TOT connection but not on others apparently)

* Sites I find that I look at and find useful most often - your mileage may vary and you'll soon settle down with what works for you. As mentioned earlier, they usually provide links to other sources/resources - up to you how interested you are in following them. Bangkok Pundit is a firm favourite - not least because he often provides English translations from Matichon, ASTV/Manager, Thai Rath etc.

That's an impressive list Steve2UK; thanks a lot.

Now hoping Administration & Mods will also follow and post from those links as well (apart from The Nation) since members aren't allowed to post in news.

LaoPo

[badgerbailey]

Can somebody point me in the direction of these other English language resources or better still an English language news source that isn't completely one sided cause i'm sick to death of reading this Nation SH*TE every day.

Taking your request at face value, here's a (not complete) list of online resources that you might find useful - I invite any additions that other members feel like making. There is reasonably good if patchy coverage on the sites of international broadcasters like BBC, CNN and Al Jazeera. Similarly, there is patchy coverage of Thai issues on the sites of most UK/US newspapers; Google the broadcaster/title you prefer and do a search on their site for "Thai" or "Thailand".

ONLINE NEWS MEDIA

Bangkok Post - link forbidden here but easy enough to Google (particularly good comments section with each item - unlike The Nation)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia.html

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/

http://www.straitstimes.com/Home.html

BLOGS

http://absolutelybangkok.com/

http://asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog *

http://facthai.wordpress.com/

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/ *

http://news.inbangkok.org/

http://thainews.prd.go.th/newsenglish/index_en.php

http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/

http://www.prachatai.com/english/ *

http://siamreport.blogspot.com/ *

http://<URL Automatically Removed>/

http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/ *

http://www.bangkokbugle.com/

http://nationsstate.blogspot.com/

http://www.tumblerblog.com/

http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/

http://www.jotasean.com/

http://philipgolingai.blogspot.com/ *

http://thegreglowe.com/

http://nganadeeleg.blogspot.com/

http://sovereignmyth.blogspot.com/

http://newley.com/

http://thaicrisis.wordpress.com/ * (now blocked on my Thai TOT connection but not on others apparently)

* Sites I find that I look at and find useful most often - your mileage may vary and you'll soon settle down with what works for you. As mentioned earlier, they usually provide links to other sources/resources - up to you how interested you are in following them. Bangkok Pundit is a firm favourite - not least because he often provides English translations from Matichon, ASTV/Manager, Thai Rath etc.

Now I'll "sit back and wait" for the torrent of abuse telling us that I am corrupting you and trying to convert/hoodwink you. Ah well, that's the looney tunes nature of parts of ThaiVisa these days........

Thanks for that, i've already found a few favourites, absolutelybangkok.com been one of them, for a good argument based on facts and not speculation. Many thanks.

[RegularReader]

Can somebody point me in the direction of these other English language resources or better still an English language news source that isn't completely one sided cause i'm sick to death of reading this Nation SH*TE every day.

Taking your request at face value, here's a (not complete) list of online resources that you might find useful - I invite any additions that other members feel like making. There is reasonably good if patchy coverage on the sites of international broadcasters like BBC, CNN and Al Jazeera. Similarly, there is patchy coverage of Thai issues on the sites of most UK/US newspapers; Google the broadcaster/title you prefer and do a search on their site for "Thai" or "Thailand".

ONLINE NEWS MEDIA

Bangkok Post - link forbidden here but easy enough to Google (particularly good comments section with each item - unlike The Nation)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia.html

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/

http://www.straitstimes.com/Home.html

BLOGS

http://absolutelybangkok.com/

http://asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog *

http://facthai.wordpress.com/

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/ *

http://news.inbangkok.org/

http://thainews.prd.go.th/newsenglish/index_en.php

http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/

http://www.prachatai.com/english/ *

http://siamreport.blogspot.com/ *

http://<URL Automatically Removed>/

http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/ *

http://www.bangkokbugle.com/

http://nationsstate.blogspot.com/

http://www.tumblerblog.com/

http://siampolitics.wordpress.com/

http://www.jotasean.com/

http://philipgolingai.blogspot.com/ *

http://thegreglowe.com/

http://nganadeeleg.blogspot.com/

http://sovereignmyth.blogspot.com/

http://newley.com/

http://thaicrisis.wordpress.com/ * (now blocked on my Thai TOT connection but not on others apparently)

* Sites I find that I look at and find useful most often - your mileage may vary and you'll soon settle down with what works for you. As mentioned earlier, they usually provide links to other sources/resources - up to you how interested you are in following them. Bangkok Pundit is a firm favourite - not least because he often provides English translations from Matichon, ASTV/Manager, Thai Rath etc.

That's an impressive list Steve2UK; thanks a lot.

Now hoping Administration & Mods will also follow and post from those links as well (apart from The Nation) since members aren't allowed to post in news.

LaoPo

Good list Steve, but you left out 2 Bangkok - one of the oldest and most enjoyable. It's all over the place, but I particularly like some of the photo items - old Bangkok etc as well as regualr commentary from that Wisurat person on the web board. Some of his translatiosn from Thai language papers, including some of the Red mags, make good reading too.

http://2bangkok.com/

[londonthai]

"cause chaos in January ... create an environment of fear and cause turmoil ... mass rallies to incite hatred before it resorts to parliamentary means to oust the administration ... sabotage in public places similar to the incidents in 2006 ... The government deemed it appropriate to lift the security law because the red shirts have called off their planned rallies and have not rescheduled them so far"

in bold are emotional expressions, they are not news but the comment by the journalist, a form of political propaganda, which you can expect from a political party tabloid and not from a broadsheet paper addsessed to expatriate community.

it's said, that the plans are for the parliamentary means and thed demos were not rescheduled - every opposition party has the right to use parliamentary to fightt.

it's clear, that this newspaper is very biased in their political opinions, but I do understand, that is fully dependent on it's sponsors (be it the thai government, political establishment, advertises, ambsassies or even foreign secret services).

hence should be boycotted.

Edited December 2, 2009 by londonthai

[Steve2UK]

Thanks for that, i've already found a few favourites, absolutelybangkok.com been one of them, for a good argument based on facts and not speculation. Many thanks.

Happy to oblige . Unlike some here, I assume that most TVF members are likely to manage their own separating of information wheat from agenda-driven chaff.

[Steve2UK]

Good list Steve, but you left out 2 Bangkok - one of the oldest and most enjoyable. It's all over the place, but I particularly like some of the photo items - old Bangkok etc as well as regualr commentary from that Wisurat person on the web board. Some of his translatiosn from Thai language papers, including some of the Red mags, make good reading too.

http://2bangkok.com/

Sssshhhh!!! Conscious decision, old chap. Couldn't put too many obviously pro-Red links in...... would have blown my cover - catch my drift? Mum's the word, OK?

[sbk]

Interesting topic guys and I wonder why so many of you managed to ignore the one that ran in General recently where I specifically posted that members were welcome to post news, within the allowed guidelines (ie first 3 sentences and a link except for the Bangkok Post and AP which do not allow us to quote or link them at all) in General and to request that the topic be moved into News.......

and yet, and yet.. ... I see very few News threads from the main complainants on this thread. Imagine that.

Given that this has turned into a gripe fest and has nothing to do with the topic, I am closing it and asking yet once again, that if you actually have some NEWS from an accredited news source, that is allowed on this forum, then feel free to post. If you are unsure as to HOW to post news or what sources allow us to use them, then feel free to PM me.

I'd say the obvious, but I think I have made myself quite clear on this matter.

//CLOSED//