I just read this little piece and found it quite an interesting take on something that I've been thinking about lately .Any opions on what this fellow has to say? I'd be interested to hear.

http://www.somtow.org/2009/04/grovelling-primer.html

Nice to read some intelligent stuff...any comment by me is probably redundant. Will bookmark that site..thanks

Nice to read some intelligent stuff...any comment by me is probably redundant. Will bookmark that site..thanks

Absolutlley wonderful.This is something that I intuitivley understood from my earliest visits to t'lnd.Now that I live here,I think I grovel quite well for a westerner.

This is indeed an interesting read but I'm not convinced. Grovelling we are told is cyclical, among other reasons because even the Royal family bows before monks. Yet it seems clear that grovelling is also about hierarchy and power. Are these cyclical? I think not.

I generally agree with much of this ' but as one reply said , lets get down to the real truth.

Also, when paying the prices at the Oriental I'd expect someone to grovel to me at the price BUt in reality the waitress in this case is/was paid to grovel to guests, it's part of the job. The staff are just following Hotel policy. It's not because the staff want to, its because its in their job description!

In Thailand, groveling can actually be an effective tool for manipulating others.

Why would you post Les Majesty content on Dec 4th?

Les Majesty? I dont see it? I thought it was just a reasonably well written piece on a topic that many ponder. Certainly not intentionally posted to raise controversy. If it does fall into that category then I apologise. I know one must be careful about these things but I didnt see anthing offensive about it.

Why would you post Les Majesty content on Dec 4th?

If you can't even spell the bloody word I hardly think your opinion on Lèse majesté is worth paying attention to.

While he harps on about grovelling this and that I would call it showing respect and also, in the extreme cases;servitude. East is east, west is west...

While he harps on about grovelling this and that I would call it showing respect and also, in the extreme cases;servitude. East is east, west is west...

Prostration, wai'ing, etc.. is all a form of deference but in a respectful non subservient way. It's the same as a bow or a gesture of acquiescence that most westerners barely understand because most developed western countries (especially english speaking ones) have lost this formality. Back in the early 20th century people in the U.S. used to take off their hats in front of elders or stand up when someone of status walked in the room. This tradition has largely died off except in the military or other extremely formal settings.

Edited December 4, 200916 yr by wintermute