Thai Lottery,twice Per Month, Anyone Know About This ?

[dmax]

my wife done some kind of lottery in issan 2 mths ago, she started with 100,000 thb which i reluctantly gave her, she and her friends assured me she couldnt lose 100 k in one swoop, her friend was doing it in kalasin and she told me she allways wins and has only lost once. what they do is get some papers drawn up and get people from various villiages to sell the tickets for them then a drw is done over tv and radio on 1st and 16th of every month,also they have to pay the local police around 1000-2000 thb, first time my wife done it she lost 13,000 thb , she had 4 girls selling tickets for her, ok i said she could try again next time, next time came round and she had 13 girls selling tickets for her and i asked her again since so many people were selling for her that if she lost then she would lose a lot of money, no she says its impossible to lose big money, anyway the draw was played on radio while they all sat around listening, i looked on and hadnt a clue what was happening i just seen my wife handing out alll this money, i went to lie down in bed not wanting to hear the bad news, she came into the bedroom , i asked her what the score was, she told me she lost 120,000 thb in one go.

what i want to know from someone who knows about this lotto is this, could she have been cheated by someone ? i heard from another girl who does it in pattaya that there are some mafia guys who forge or change the papers quickly when the draw is being done but surely this couldnt have happened with my wife as everyone was in the same room together when the numbers were getting called. its hard to explain unless you have seen this lotto being played then you will know what im trying to say.

[coronadian]

Sounds like a typical pyramid scheme fraud to me.

Can't believe people still fall for that.

[Tigs]

This goes on everywhere, some people make a lot of money, but you have to be able to afford to lose. She is paying the police because it is illegal. This is something you do not want to have your name associated with, because if someone gets spiteful and reports YOU for running a lottery then you will be out on your ass, loss of visa priviledges and you won't get back in to Thailand again.

It does sound as if your wife has been cheated. Firstly people are choosing three numbers, the norm is if someone picks their 3 numbers correct they get 600 Bt for every 1 Bt bet. So if you pick 123 and bet 10 Bt and it comes up you win 6000 Bt. But remember this is done so that the lottery organiser (your wife) wins, as the odds of 123 coming up are 1000 to 1, but they only pay 600 to 1, with me so far? The real problem is that your wife is making tickets, why? These can easily be changed or forged. All she has to do is get the girls that collect for her to write down in a paper book the persons name and the number selection and the amount bet. The books and money must all be returned to your wife the evening before the draw (the draw on TV is the legal draw), if the books are not returned, you make everything in that book null and void and leave it for the collector to explain to their 'clients'. Having got the books back, nobody can change the numbers, the money should tally from the collectors and there you have it. The law of probability says that in the medium to long term your wife must make a lot of money. There is a Thai guy lives near me who is making 700 000 baht a month on an illegal lottery, however over the last two months he had a bad streak and his clients had a lucky streak. He lost 6 Million in two months, but normally he makes 8.5-9 million a year - tax free. You have to be able to afford to lose if you want to make big money. Best advice, if you have 100K to spare to give her, it sounds like she doesn't need to run such an enterprise so knock it on the head now.

The propensity for Thais to gamble is unlimited, and once they have the bug they will bet everything. A farang in our town has just learnt that his Thai wife has gambled away 2 million in savings, their house (10 Million), their car and 30 Rai of Chanote land, all gone, sod all left, and he can do nothing about it. All in the period of six weeks whilst he was away in the Mid East working.

Good luck.

[NearestTheTee]

A farang in our town has just learnt that his Thai wife has gambled away 2 million in savings, their house (10 Million), their car and 30 Rai of Chanote land, all gone, sod all left, and he can do nothing about it. All in the period of six weeks whilst he was away in the Mid East working.

And i wonder how much she actually contributed to their savings and 10 Mill house. Probably <deleted> all. So what gives her the god dam_n right to gamble with it? The woman has a serious addiction and needs help.

[Tigs]

NTT

Exactly right. She is beyond help now. Everything is spent, and of course the house and land had been put in her name. They had 5-6 years of living the dream and then she goes off the rails in a very short time. Really sad. I think he has little option but to leave and go back to UK.

[gotlost]

I can not believe you fail for this scam. Yes your wife has a problem and needs help.

[Boater]

I can not believe you fail for this scam. Yes your wife has a problem and needs help.

unforuntaly most thai women fall for it

bit surprised she paid upfront, normally you pay 10 - 20 K a month, to win 200 K in a 12 month period, but the person collecting the money always does a runner

[bellste]

This is a typical pyramid operation, and completely illegal. Take the money you have got, and get out of it.

[dmax]

this is not a pyramid scheme !!! i am not or was not involved, i gave my wife the money , she wants to have another dig at it when we go back to los but ive told her i wont put any money up for her. if i knew the whole ins and outs of this lotto then i would maybe give it another go as her friends seem to win regularly. my wife has said whenever too many tickets are sold then if she doesnt want them she has a friend in bangkok ( big money friend ) who will take the tickets via fax therefore the wife wouldnt take a big loss again. i dont want to take that risk, if the local cops are talking a backhander then how could it be illegal ? so begs the question if my wife has a big win the local cops can come take everything and there is <deleted> all i can do about it ? and surely i cannot be blackballed from thailand for nothing i only give the wife the money to operate it so how can the government hold hubby responsible ?

[bellste]

this is not a pyramid scheme !!! i am not or was not involved, i gave my wife the money , she wants to have another dig at it when we go back to los but ive told her i wont put any money up for her. if i knew the whole ins and outs of this lotto then i would maybe give it another go as her friends seem to win regularly. my wife has said whenever too many tickets are sold then if she doesnt want them she has a friend in bangkok ( big money friend ) who will take the tickets via fax therefore the wife wouldnt take a big loss again. i dont want to take that risk, if the local cops are talking a backhander then how could it be illegal ? so begs the question if my wife has a big win the local cops can come take everything and there is <deleted> all i can do about it ? and surely i cannot be blackballed from thailand for nothing i only give the wife the money to operate it so how can the government hold hubby responsible ?

All forms of gambling in Thailand is illegal, except the National Lottery.  Simpel as that. And if you finance her criminal activity, you are just as guilty as her. 

[Carib]

Quote " if the local cops are talking a backhander then how could it be illegal ?".......... Come on, how ignorant can you be.

[TheWalkingMan]

this is not a pyramid scheme !!! i am not or was not involved, i gave my wife the money , she wants to have another dig at it when we go back to los...

Leave the underground lottery alone and I hope you do not have anymore problems. Your plight reminded me of this old cartoon about the gambling bug...

TheWalkingMan

[needforspeed]

Isnt a pyramid scam, but is dangerous and better don't get assosiate with this business.

Key figures in this business are people you dont invite for a cup off coffee on a Sunday morning.

So my advice, try to get her stopped and this is not easy, good luck.

[Heng]

Not a pyramid, just an illegal underground lottery racket. I stupidly run one at that if they are making tickets.

[Alwaysright]

I can not believe you fail for this scam. Yes your wife has a problem and needs help.

Drop any Thai that gambles,NOW.

[haybilly]

Quote " if the local cops are talking a backhander then how could it be illegal ?".......... Come on, how ignorant can you be.

Not to be too judgemental but--jeeez---I must agree; you really don't know much about the BIB here, eh?

[prefabs]

dmax, you recently entertained us all while building your house, very factual and very funny in some parts. Was this the same wife who didn't want to get involved in your arguments with the builders? Who you quoted as eating som tum and if you wanted to fire the builder, do it yourself?

2 points spring to mind.

While you were running all over Isaan getting bargains, she was sitting on her arse dreaming up ways to lose your hard earned cash.

What was the point of you scrimping around when she already had started burning your money?

She is a definite keeper

[thunder30101]

Wow what an amazing way to piss away 100k, I think I would be too ashamed to even admit it let alone air it on tv. Wake up my friend before you have nothing.

[prefabs]

dmax, you recently entertained us all while building your house, very factual and very funny in some parts. Was this the same wife who didn't want to get involved in your arguments with the builders? Who you quoted as eating som tum and if you wanted to fire the builder, do it yourself?

2 points spring to mind.

While you were running all over Isaan getting bargains, she was sitting on her arse dreaming up ways to lose your hard earned cash.

What was the point of you scrimping around when she already had started burning your money?

She is a definite keeper

Just one more serious note. Are you definitely sure she is not already in debt over this? Not uncommon for TV members or aquaintances to find out they are hocked up because of card games. Friend of mine moved up North about 4 years ago. He went home for 2 weeks and returned to find that his wife had just been taught to gamble by a family member. Her lessons over 2 weeks had cost him over 100,000 baht. Of course, he had to pay it as she could not bear the loss of face.

[Tod Daniels]

Both of these posters are in error.

bit surprised she paid upfront, normally you pay 10 - 20 K a month, to win 200 K in a 12 month period, but the person collecting the money always does a runner

This is a typical pyramid operation, and completely illegal.

This is NOT a 'share' scheme as "Boater" mistakenly thinks it is, nor is it a pyramid scheme as purported by "bellste" either.

It is the underground 3 number lottery; one that is played on every soi in every village in this country.

It is tied to the real lottery numbers drawn twice a month on t/v but that is where any similarity to the gov't lottery ends. It is used ONLY to pick the winning numbers, nothing more.

It runs exactly as the poster "Tigs" said it does. I know tooo many thais who both sell and play these, often on different Soi’s as they are run by a different group of people.

Money can be made, but as was said, you need to be ready to lose as well.

FWIW I believe your wife is not capable of running such a large operation and perhaps scaled down she might have a chance.

Then again, with it being the underground lottery, it is illegal, but that hasn't stopped the thais on my soi, ever...

[lomatopo]

Firstly people are choosing three numbers, the norm is if someone picks their 3 numbers correct they get 600 Bt for every 1 Bt bet. So if you pick 123 and bet 10 Bt and it comes up you win 6000 Bt. But remember this is done so that the lottery organiser (your wife) wins, as the odds of 123 coming up are 1000 to 1, but they only pay 600 to 1, with me so far? The real problem is that your wife is making tickets, why? These can easily be changed or forged. All she has to do is get the girls that collect for her to write down in a paper book the persons name and the number selection and the amount bet. The books and money must all be returned to your wife the evening before the draw (the draw on TV is the legal draw), if the books are not returned, you make everything in that book null and void and leave it for the collector to explain to their 'clients'. Having got the books back, nobody can change the numbers, the money should tally from the collectors and there you have it. The law of probability says that in the medium to long term your wife must make a lot of money.

This a good explanation. The 3-digit is usually the killer for the lowest level vendor (in this case the OP's wife). You also need to monitor sales and lay-off a percentage of the same number plays. Often a group of people visit with a monk who advises them on a winning number, then a whole group of people play the same number (and variations) which when it hits, causes huge losses. (In my neighborhood the motorcycle union, 103 medallion operators, went on a mandatory annual retreat. There a monk gave them a number which resulted in 3.7 million baht being shared among ~ 25 people via the underground lottery.) In a sense it does work out as a sort of pyramid scheme in that the churn on the lowest level vendors is huge as are the losses as they do not lay off enough bets with those on the next highest level, or monitor betting trends throughout the 2-week window. The fraud perpetrated by the runners (those selling for the lowest level vendor) are also myriad and must be considered and monitored. You also have to consider the 2-digit business, you usually have to sell both. And you have to take bets on both the last 2/3 digits of the six-number draw and the stand-alone 2 & 3-digit draws. It can be very complex to manage successfully, even for someone with a degree in mathematics and an in-depth knowledge of statistics and lottery management.

[brianinbangkok]

"A friend of mine once told me"

He had a (now ex) wife who lost 250.000 bath this way and her higher up level vendor lost 1 Million THB when the top level lady just refused to pay out when there was a big win one day.

The then wife took out a bankloan without him knowing it, to be able to make the payout.

Now she had to continue as she needed to make an income to pay the bank.

Then she used her car (that he paid) to get another bigger bankloan because she wanted continue this "business".

You will just find out one day when the bank comes asking for their monthly payments.

Thats how he found out about it.

The lower level ladies that join into this only see a fast profit and do not have the IQ to see how there is also a risk of losing big.

They will get credit based on fact they are married to a walking ATM , you should not give her any more money to "invest" in this kind of business as it just proves she indeed has a walking ATM who will always pay her debts.

This attracts more "fast money making business proposals" to your wife.

You need to get back in control of this gambling/business investments of your wife real quickly and put a stop to it before she bankrupts you.

And unless she has a MBA and a good business plan do not let your Thai wife control money.

I know, I also learned this the hard way.

One more thing the ex of my friend was also from Kalasin.

[brianinbangkok]

With "The lower level ladies" I mean the ladies who join this "business" at the lower levels in the business.

Not commenting on the ladies themselfs

[rgs2001uk]

I can not believe you fail for this scam. Yes your wife has a problem and needs help.

I fear the op may well be the one with the problem.

How deep are his pockets?

How long can he afford to keep funding get rich quick schemes before they bankrupt him?

Sometimes its easier to just admit you got it wrong and walk away, less painful in the end.

I worked alongside a guy whose wife gambled away 2 restaurants.

Heard all the excuses, oh she went to the temple and promised never to do it again, until the next time.

I wonder if the ops wife could tell him the odds of rolling an even number when rolling a dice, or the odds of drawing the seven of clubs from a pack of cards.

[bellste]

dmax, you recently entertained us all while building your house, very factual and very funny in some parts. Was this the same wife who didn't want to get involved in your arguments with the builders? Who you quoted as eating som tum and if you wanted to fire the builder, do it yourself?

2 points spring to mind.

While you were running all over Isaan getting bargains, she was sitting on her arse dreaming up ways to lose your hard earned cash.

What was the point of you scrimping around when she already had started burning your money?

She is a definite keeper

Just one more serious note. Are you definitely sure she is not already in debt over this? Not uncommon for TV members or aquaintances to find out they are hocked up because of card games. Friend of mine moved up North about 4 years ago. He went home for 2 weeks and returned to find that his wife had just been taught to gamble by a family member. Her lessons over 2 weeks had cost him over 100,000 baht. Of course, he had to pay it as she could not bear the loss of face.

I would not have paid a penny. Just let her lose her face. I know one Thai woman, she was married to an American, he worked in the US Navy.

When he was at sea, she gambled away the house, some land she had inherited, an almost new car (which he had paid for, but put in her name.) She also took out all the money from their joint bank account. And after that still owed money to "some people". I think the interest, was about 25% per month.

When he came home from sea, he found out. Well, she said that the car had been stolen etc., but he soon found out that that was not true. He divorced her and left.

She had everything, and gambled it all away on card-playing. Now she works as? Well you know what I mean. She have a problem doing that sort of buisness, because she is not so young any more.

There you can see, what this gambling can do to people. If somebody win, somebody have to lose, and there

are more people that lose, than win. On top of that, it's illegal. But if somebody want to end up as the woman I mentioned above, just get on with it.

Somebody never learn from others mistakes, they have to do them all themselves. Good luck! 

[Briggsy]

When I read threads like this, I am so happy to be single. Some of the amounts of money being bandied out are unreal (in my little world).

[dmax]

this is not a pyramid scheme !!! i am not or was not involved, i gave my wife the money , she wants to have another dig at it when we go back to los but ive told her i wont put any money up for her. if i knew the whole ins and outs of this lotto then i would maybe give it another go as her friends seem to win regularly. my wife has said whenever too many tickets are sold then if she doesnt want them she has a friend in bangkok ( big money friend ) who will take the tickets via fax therefore the wife wouldnt take a big loss again. i dont want to take that risk, if the local cops are talking a backhander then how could it be illegal ? so begs the question if my wife has a big win the local cops can come take everything and there is <deleted> all i can do about it ? and surely i cannot be blackballed from thailand for nothing i only give the wife the money to operate it so how can the government hold hubby responsible ?

All forms of gambling in Thailand is illegal, except the National Lottery.  Simpel as that. And if you finance her criminal activity, you are just as guilty as her. 

bulls**t, this means i lend my wife ,money which is jointly ours anyway then the cops can take me in for running an illegal lotto ? so why did the cops come twice and get 4 grand off her ?

[dmax]

Both of these posters are in error.

bit surprised she paid upfront, normally you pay 10 - 20 K a month, to win 200 K in a 12 month period, but the person collecting the money always does a runner

This is a typical pyramid operation, and completely illegal.

This is NOT a 'share' scheme as "Boater" mistakenly thinks it is, nor is it a pyramid scheme as purported by "bellste" either.

It is the underground 3 number lottery; one that is played on every soi in every village in this country.

It is tied to the real lottery numbers drawn twice a month on t/v but that is where any similarity to the gov't lottery ends. It is used ONLY to pick the winning numbers, nothing more.

It runs exactly as the poster "Tigs" said it does. I know tooo many thais who both sell and play these, often on different Soi’s as they are run by a different group of people.

Money can be made, but as was said, you need to be ready to lose as well.

FWIW I believe your wife is not capable of running such a large operation and perhaps scaled down she might have a chance.

Then again, with it being the underground lottery, it is illegal, but that hasn't stopped the thais on my soi, ever...

yes i totally agree with you, its illegal but the cops are in on it too, i let my wife go into this because i knew other thai girls were making good money out of it, and off course i was expecting her to take losses but not 113,000 thb in one swoop.

[dmax]

"A friend of mine once told me"

He had a (now ex) wife who lost 250.000 bath this way and her higher up level vendor lost 1 Million THB when the top level lady just refused to pay out when there was a big win one day.

The then wife took out a bankloan without him knowing it, to be able to make the payout.

Now she had to continue as she needed to make an income to pay the bank.

Then she used her car (that he paid) to get another bigger bankloan because she wanted continue this "business".

You will just find out one day when the bank comes asking for their monthly payments.

Thats how he found out about it.

The lower level ladies that join into this only see a fast profit and do not have the IQ to see how there is also a risk of losing big.

They will get credit based on fact they are married to a walking ATM , you should not give her any more money to "invest" in this kind of business as it just proves she indeed has a walking ATM who will always pay her debts.

This attracts more "fast money making business proposals" to your wife.

You need to get back in control of this gambling/business investments of your wife real quickly and put a stop to it before she bankrupts you.

And unless she has a MBA and a good business plan do not let your Thai wife control money.

I know, I also learned this the hard way.

One more thing the ex of my friend was also from Kalasin.

brian ,, i think i will take your advise, cheers

[dmax]

dmax, you recently entertained us all while building your house, very factual and very funny in some parts. Was this the same wife who didn't want to get involved in your arguments with the builders? Who you quoted as eating som tum and if you wanted to fire the builder, do it yourself?

2 points spring to mind.

While you were running all over Isaan getting bargains, she was sitting on her arse dreaming up ways to lose your hard earned cash.

What was the point of you scrimping around when she already had started burning your money?

She is a definite keeper

lets not insult my wife here , theyre not all perfect and neither is yours i would imagine , she wont be doing it again and not with my money anyway, ive taken the advise of people on here so its case closed as far as im concerned.