Death Threats Against Judges

[animatic]

whatever your preference, one fact remains. Thailand was more stable and better performing with him in power and this can not be disputed.....

This is an apples and oranges argument,

the WHOLE WORLD was more stable and better performing during Thaksins tenue as PM,

and he only benefited from the convergence.

He got lucky because, the '97 crash caused by the team he was on; Chavaliyt et al,

started getting blamed on the Democrats because they made the hard decisions during

hard times to get the ship back on course, similar to todays actions, and then they took

the hit because the repairs cost. When things started getting better Thaksin swooped in

and claimed credit LOUDLY, for a 'regional' return to solvency.

Thaksin can't be blamed for the USA debt implosion, but he can be blamed for PPP

not even looking at it as a coming problem when he controlled them under two PMs.

He was losing his money in the crash, but not directing his own political team,

to do anything about it at home, since getting him unbanned was so much MORE important.

Yeah right things were more stable under Thaksin...

pure good luck and lucky timing, nothing more.

[webfact]

UPDATE

THAKSIN'S FEB 26 D-DAY

Security alert for judges

BANGKOK: -- Security have already been for nine judges hearing the Thaksin asset seizure trial even before the latest round of reports on assassination plot against them hit the headlines, Supreme Court secretary Virat Chinwinitkul said on Monday.

He said that the Office of the Court of Justice checked about the reports with the intelligence agencies but found that they were baseless.

However the office was cautious and informed the nine judges to be watchful and observant. Security officials have been instructed to provide the judges with extra protection.

Virat said he believed the news about the assassination plot was released with intent of intimidating judges to sway their decision on the Bt76-billion asset seizure case. "The judges are not perturbed by the incident,'' he said.

Prime Minister Abhisit had on the weekend instructed authorities to determine whether the remarks by Army specialist Maj-General Khattiya Sawasdipol on the "assassination plot" could be deemed an act of intimidation.

Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said if legal specialists considered the warning by the rogue soldier an intimidation, the government cannot let him off the hook. "We cannot allow any one to intimidate judges who carry out their duty,'' he said.

Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol, known as Seh Daeng, issued a warning last week of possible death threats against judges, members of the national anti-graft commission and former members of now-defunct Assets Examination Committee.

-- The Nation 2010-02-01

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[Samuian]

TiT - just imagine in any "civil country" a high ranking soldier does things Mr.Katthiya is saying and doing publicly and nothing really happens...

I call this the most incredible tolerance I ever came across!

Or is it simple ignorance?

[tonywebster]

Am I being ganged up on

Somchai became PM because he was the leader of the elected party, people generally vote for a candidate knowing that if his party wins then the leader will be PM, just like Brown is the current UK PM, he was leader of the party when the PM stood down. The public can decide if they want him at the next election, do they want the labour party.

As for the whole world being more stable, we are not discussing the whole world and maybe you made the mistake of assuming stability meant economy, it means much more than just the economy, I am talking about Thailand in general and the uncertain political future brought on by the coup, and continued by the failure of the current unelected government to take any control of Thailand and to move it forward. They have enough problems internally without picking squabbles externally.

can any of you honestly say (putting the economy aside) that Thailand has become a better place to live post coup? I know we can try and link the bad things to the economy but that is not the sole cause, the general lawlessness that has prevailed since the coup can not just be put down to the economy, law and order is on its arse in this country (yes I know it was before but in my opinion it was not as bad as now).

as for pure luck and timing, is there any hyperbole that you will not use to bolster your hatred of Thaksin, this is one argument that I don't buy into. in fact it is just a poor attempt at throwing enough mud and hoping some sticks, it is the equivalent of shouting "look over there" and then running away.

No doubt now there is a perception that I am a Thaksin lover for daring to argue in his defence, but lets us clear that one up, I prefer balanced discussion and feel some of you on here would blatantly twist facts if it strengthened your argument in the hope that nobody is reading that can put you straight.

maybe in future before people post they can read what they are about to right and think "mmmm did my own side do this as well?, am I going to make myself look silly when I say this?" some of you make it obvious where your allegiances lay, I even read back some of the threads from the time of the airport takeover and some of you are sickening in the blinkered views you express, luckily not everyone of the forum buys into it but it gets a little tedious when mob mentality takes over

Edited February 1, 2010 by tonywebster

[webfact]

Khattiya surrenders

BANGKOK: --Suspended Army specialist MajGeneral Khattiya Sawasdipol on Monday surrendered to police to face charges of illegally possessing war weapons.

Khattiya or Seh Daeng was accompanied by Gen Panlop Pinmanee, former deputy chief of the Internal Security Operations Command and a key member of Puea Thai Party. Khattiya said former Chief Judge of the Supreme Court Manit Chitchanklab would act as his lawyer.

A group of red-shirt people gathered in front of the Crime Suppression Division (CSD) on Monday to offer a moral support for Khattiya, who turned himself in to police there.

-- The Nation 2010-02-01

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[Siripon]

TiT - just imagine in any "civil country" a high ranking soldier does things Mr.Katthiya is saying and doing publicly and nothing really happens...

I call this the most incredible tolerance I ever came across!

Or is it simple ignorance?

It may well be neither.

The army let him shoot his mouth off, damaging the red cause and Thaksin further every day.

There's Thaksin trying to portray himself as Gandhi, peaceful civil disobedience etc and here's his lieutenant talking about beating up the army commander when he retires and muttering darkly about plots to kill a judge or two to scare the rest off making a decision on Thaksin's assets case.

Let the world see the sort of men Thaksin associates with, and when the time is right escort him across the border, leaving him in one of the uncleared minefields from the Khmer Rouge war.

[Samuian]

TiT - just imagine in any "civil country" a high ranking soldier does things Mr.Katthiya is saying and doing publicly and nothing really happens...

I call this the most incredible tolerance I ever came across!

Or is it simple ignorance?

It may well be neither.

The army let him shoot his mouth off, damaging the red cause and Thaksin further every day.

There's Thaksin trying to portray himself as Gandhi, peaceful civil disobedience etc and here's his lieutenant talking about beating up the army commander when he retires and muttering darkly about plots to kill a judge or two to scare the rest off making a decision on Thaksin's assets case.

Let the world see the sort of men Thaksin associates with, and when the time is right escort him across the border, leaving him in one of the uncleared minefields from the Khmer Rouge war.

Agreed, surely part of the all over scenario!

And "da man" is really good at it, so are his stuntmen!

[tonywebster]

Khattiya surrenders

BANGKOK: --Suspended Army specialist MajGeneral Khattiya Sawasdipol on Monday surrendered to police to face charges of illegally possessing war weapons.

Khattiya or Seh Daeng was accompanied by Gen Panlop Pinmanee, former deputy chief of the Internal Security Operations Command and a key member of Puea Thai Party. Khattiya said former Chief Judge of the Supreme Court Manit Chitchanklab would act as his lawyer.

A group of red-shirt people gathered in front of the Crime Suppression Division (CSD) on Monday to offer a moral support for Khattiya, who turned himself in to police there.

-- The Nation 2010-02-01

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

not a bad lawyer to have representing you considering all the high people are against him

[LaoPo]

Propaganda still happening.

You're saying....

LaoPo

[hammered]

Khattiya surrenders

BANGKOK: --Suspended Army specialist MajGeneral Khattiya Sawasdipol on Monday surrendered to police to face charges of illegally possessing war weapons.

Khattiya or Seh Daeng was accompanied by Gen Panlop Pinmanee, former deputy chief of the Internal Security Operations Command and a key member of Puea Thai Party. Khattiya said former Chief Judge of the Supreme Court Manit Chitchanklab would act as his lawyer.

A group of red-shirt people gathered in front of the Crime Suppression Division (CSD) on Monday to offer a moral support for Khattiya, who turned himself in to police there.

-- The Nation 2010-02-01

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

not a bad lawyer to have representing you considering all the high people are against him

Manit has long been on the Thaksin side. Dont forget that this is an inter elite struggle and the red side have plenty of elites both new and old themselves

[webfact]

Khattiya reports to police, to file complaint against defence minister, army chief

BANGKOK: -- Feb1 (TNA) - Army Maj-Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol, a prime suspect in the M79 grenade attack on the army headquarters last month, on Monday reported to the Police's Crime Suppression Division to answer charges on illegal possession of military weapons.

Gen Khattiya, better known as ‘Seh Deang’, was accompanied by anti-government Red Shirt United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) activists and its key leaders Arisman Pongruangrong and Suporn Attawong.

The general said he will deny all charges and he is discussing with his legal team to file complaint against Defence Minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwan, army commander Gen Anupong Paochinda and security officials who inspected his house last month as the raid was believed to be unlawful.

The order for Gen Khattiya to report to police for possessing military weapons without permission came after the M79 grenade attack on the office of the army commander in Bangkok January 15.

Metropolitan police raided Gen Khattiya's home at the 4th Cavalry Squadron and found a hand grenade and handgun with ammunition, other weapons and a cache of ammunition in his car.

Another team of police and military raided a military flat at the 3rd Cavalry Squadron nearby and detained a former close aide of Gen. Khattiya after a dozen M79 grenades, other weapons and ammunition were seized.

Suspect Khattiya, earlier suspended from duty for violating military regulations, denied any involvement in the attack. (TNA)

-- TNA 2010-02-01

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[Siripon]

Am I being ganged up on

Somchai became PM because he was the leader of the elected party, people generally vote for a candidate knowing that if his party wins then the leader will be PM, just like Brown is the current UK PM, he was leader of the party when the PM stood down. The public can decide if they want him at the next election, do they want the labour party.

As for the whole world being more stable, we are not discussing the whole world and maybe you made the mistake of assuming stability meant economy, it means much more than just the economy, I am talking about Thailand in general and the uncertain political future brought on by the coup, and continued by the failure of the current unelected government to take any control of Thailand and to move it forward. They have enough problems internally without picking squabbles externally.

can any of you honestly say (putting the economy aside) that Thailand has become a better place to live post coup? I know we can try and link the bad things to the economy but that is not the sole cause, the general lawlessness that has prevailed since the coup can not just be put down to the economy, law and order is on its arse in this country (yes I know it was before but in my opinion it was not as bad as now).

as for pure luck and timing, is there any hyperbole that you will not use to bolster your hatred of Thaksin, this is one argument that I don't buy into. in fact it is just a poor attempt at throwing enough mud and hoping some sticks, it is the equivalent of shouting "look over there" and then running away.

No doubt now there is a perception that I am a Thaksin lover for daring to argue in his defence, but lets us clear that one up, I prefer balanced discussion and feel some of you on here would blatantly twist facts if it strengthened your argument in the hope that nobody is reading that can put you straight.

maybe in future before people post they can read what they are about to right and think "mmmm did my own side do this as well?, am I going to make myself look silly when I say this?" some of you make it obvious where your allegiances lay, I even read back some of the threads from the time of the airport takeover and some of you are sickening in the blinkered views you express, luckily not everyone of the forum buys into it but it gets a little tedious when mob mentality takes over

Many people could have been PM when Samak was forced to step down, including Samak himself. Indeed he went to Parliament expecting to be reelected but Thaksin sent a signal he wanted his malleable and weak brother-in-law elected so that was that. No democracy in Thaksin's parties, just what the man with the money wanted, nobody else was important

Thailand was known as a police state under Thaksin, officers got away with murder as seen in the drugs war, murders of over 15 NGOs were never solved- indeed Thaksin boasted it was now the time for the police to rule.

And of course anyone mildly criticising Thaksin was sued for millions.

Thailand is a much better place today.

[Siripon]

Am I being ganged up on

Somchai became PM because he was the leader of the elected party, people generally vote for a candidate knowing that if his party wins then the leader will be PM, just like Brown is the current UK PM, he was leader of the party when the PM stood down. The public can decide if they want him at the next election, do they want the labour party.

As for the whole world being more stable, we are not discussing the whole world and maybe you made the mistake of assuming stability meant economy, it means much more than just the economy, I am talking about Thailand in general and the uncertain political future brought on by the coup, and continued by the failure of the current unelected government to take any control of Thailand and to move it forward. They have enough problems internally without picking squabbles externally.

can any of you honestly say (putting the economy aside) that Thailand has become a better place to live post coup? I know we can try and link the bad things to the economy but that is not the sole cause, the general lawlessness that has prevailed since the coup can not just be put down to the economy, law and order is on its arse in this country (yes I know it was before but in my opinion it was not as bad as now).

as for pure luck and timing, is there any hyperbole that you will not use to bolster your hatred of Thaksin, this is one argument that I don't buy into. in fact it is just a poor attempt at throwing enough mud and hoping some sticks, it is the equivalent of shouting "look over there" and then running away.

No doubt now there is a perception that I am a Thaksin lover for daring to argue in his defence, but lets us clear that one up, I prefer balanced discussion and feel some of you on here would blatantly twist facts if it strengthened your argument in the hope that nobody is reading that can put you straight.

maybe in future before people post they can read what they are about to right and think "mmmm did my own side do this as well?, am I going to make myself look silly when I say this?" some of you make it obvious where your allegiances lay, I even read back some of the threads from the time of the airport takeover and some of you are sickening in the blinkered views you express, luckily not everyone of the forum buys into it but it gets a little tedious when mob mentality takes over

Many people could have been PM when Samak was forced to step down, including Samak himself. Indeed he went to Parliament expecting to be reelected but Thaksin sent a signal he wanted his malleable and weak brother-in-law elected so that was that. No democracy in Thaksin's parties, just what the man with the money wanted, nobody else was important

Thailand was known as a police state under Thaksin, officers got away with murder as seen in the drugs war, murders of over 15 NGOs were never solved- indeed Thaksin boasted it was now the time for the police to rule.

And of course anyone mildly criticising Thaksin was sued for millions.

Thailand is a much better place today.

[Samuian]

well, if one assumes that the "high people" now out for the defense of Mr.Katthiya, it's hard to imagine that those are the people who take the orders and pass them on.... as in favor for favor - or what is the name of this game?

It's all out, already!

But now as the "Social democratic party" is out and formed from some red shirts - who are the genuine red shirts or will we soon see a red shirt army in all shades of red - anyone claiming to be the defender of "genuine democracy"?

Edited February 1, 2010 by Samuian

[hammered]

You'd think the police would invite the dude in to expalin what he knows and help in preventing any assasination attempt

[animatic]

General P was his old Army boss back in the day.

So where he suddenly gets legal credentials from I have no clue.

The guy was running special Ops and Gen. K. was a special ops guy.

Old school tie etc.

[boris52]

If the judges do their job properly, they got nothing to worry about.

Unfortunately, the way I see it, their defensiveness and anxiety pretty much speaks for itself.

[way2muchcoffee]

If the judges do their job properly, they got nothing to worry about.

Unfortunately, the way I see it, their defensiveness and anxiety pretty much speaks for itself.

I expect the judges will do exactly what the King indirectly instructed them to do - be just.

Whatever the ruling is, it is guaranteed that some group or other will see injustice in the decision. People will be angry and violence could result.

Edited February 1, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[jackspratt]

Am I being ganged up on

Somchai became PM because he was the leader of the elected party, people generally vote for a candidate knowing that if his party wins then the leader will be PM, just like Brown is the current UK PM, he was leader of the party when the PM stood down. The public can decide if they want him at the next election, do they want the labour party.

I hate to be pedantic, but:

- Somchai became PM because the party he was leader of had enough support from other parties to form a coalition government

- when people voted for the party, Samak was leader - they had no way of knowing Somchai would succeed Samak

- Brown is the current leader of a party which has a majority in its own right in the UK parliament. Neither Samak nor Somchai had that, so apples and oranges.

[tonywebster]

Am I being ganged up on

Somchai became PM because he was the leader of the elected party, people generally vote for a candidate knowing that if his party wins then the leader will be PM, just like Brown is the current UK PM, he was leader of the party when the PM stood down. The public can decide if they want him at the next election, do they want the labour party.

I hate to be pedantic, but:

- Somchai became PM because the party he was leader of had enough support from other parties to form a coalition government

- when people voted for the party, Samak was leader - they had no way of knowing Somchai would succeed Samak

- Brown is the current leader of a party which has a majority in its own right in the UK parliament. Neither Samak nor Somchai had that, so apples and oranges.

so they had enough seats to form a coalition government therefore they were the elected party, they were the largest seat holders with the ability to join with smaller parties to form a coalition, but the point is it was votes that made them the majority holders.

When people voted for labour Blair was the leader and they had no way of knowing Brown would become party leader so I really don't see your point here.

[tonywebster]

Khattiya surrenders

BANGKOK: --Suspended Army specialist MajGeneral Khattiya Sawasdipol on Monday surrendered to police to face charges of illegally possessing war weapons.

Khattiya or Seh Daeng was accompanied by Gen Panlop Pinmanee, former deputy chief of the Internal Security Operations Command and a key member of Puea Thai Party. Khattiya said former Chief Judge of the Supreme Court Manit Chitchanklab would act as his lawyer.

A group of red-shirt people gathered in front of the Crime Suppression Division (CSD) on Monday to offer a moral support for Khattiya, who turned himself in to police there.

-- The Nation 2010-02-01

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

not a bad lawyer to have representing you considering all the high people are against him

Manit has long been on the Thaksin side. Dont forget that this is an inter elite struggle and the red side have plenty of elites both new and old themselves

yes i know this but sadly a lot of the posters on here see the reds as only toothless farmers from up north

[animatic]

Am I being ganged up on

Somchai became PM because he was the leader of the elected party, people generally vote for a candidate knowing that if his party wins then the leader will be PM, just like Brown is the current UK PM, he was leader of the party when the PM stood down. The public can decide if they want him at the next election, do they want the labour party.

I hate to be pedantic, but:

- Somchai became PM because the party he was leader of had enough support from other parties to form a coalition government

- when people voted for the party, Samak was leader - they had no way of knowing Somchai would succeed Samak

- Brown is the current leader of a party which has a majority in its own right in the UK parliament. Neither Samak nor Somchai had that, so apples and oranges.

And since Samak was not taken back in as PM,

because Thaksin, the banned power broker, said not to,

it is a highly moral position.

But when Newin, the banned power broker, does the same thing,

but doesn't back Thaksin any more... it is morally questionable.

Of course those 'Other Parties' promised THEIR voters during the election that they would not

throw in with PPP and form a coalition, which they immediately reneged on...

such a high moral position.

And when PPP is dissolved for cheating they did not throw in with PTP,

which they of course never promised to throw in with, ever.

But some like to say that PTP not being able to hold coalition partners

is some moral failing in those partners.... yeah right.

Sorry but the moral position argument calling for elections is so lame

it needs a walker just to stand an be seen in the crowd.

Edited February 2, 2010 by animatic

[rixalex]

yes i know this but sadly a lot of the posters on here see the reds as only toothless farmers from up north

That's a myth perpetuated by the reds themselves. They would have you believe this is a fight of the poor down-trodden against the rich and powerful elite. The poor down-trodden may well be participating in the fight, but their cause is not what is being fought for.

[Homers]

Rogue General Presses Counter Charges against Superiors

A pro-Thaksin Army general has filed treason charges against the Defense Minister and the Army Chief after reporting to police to acknowledge criminal charges against him.

Accompanied by senior Pheu Thai Party member General Pallop Pinmanee, Army Specialist Major-General Kattiya Sawasdipol turned himself in to investigators at the Crime Suppression Division, or CSD, to acknowledge charges of illegal possession of firearms and explosives.

Around 100 pro-Thaksin supporters and members of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship also gathered outside the police headquarters to give him moral support.

Investigators spent about one hour questioning Major-General Kattiya, who denied all charges.

The pro-Thaksin officer will submit testimony in defense of the charges against him in writing.

The general was then released.

He was not required to post any bail, given that he voluntarily answered the police's summon and did not attempt to flee.

Major-General Kattiya also said he believes public prosecutors will eventually drop the charges against him.

According to Major-General Kattiya, the search of his house was conducted illegally.

Apart from acknowledging his charges, Major-General Kattiya pressed treason charges against Defense Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan, Army Chief General Anupong Paochinda and officers participating in the search of his house.

Meanwhile, spokesman of the Metropolitan Police Bureau, Police Major-General Piya Uthayo, revealed security measures have already been put in place at government establishments and residences of important figures.

The statement came in response to Major-General Kattiya's claim that there will be attempts on the lives of court judges responsible for the 76 billion-baht assets seizure case against former premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

He claimed members of the now-defunct Assets Examination Committee and the National Anti-Corruption Commission are also targeted.

Police Major-General Piya said his agency regularly arranges for patrols to maintain security at the houses and offices of key public figures.

-- Tan Network 2010-02-01

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[animatic]

Treason against the armed forces of Thaksinland.

Woowee this guy is really going all out!!

So searching his house is a treasonable offense.

If anything else was treasonable why was this charge only leveled now?

Oh yeah Thaksin thought he would still win and get his money till now.

[Samuian]

yes i know this but sadly a lot of the posters on here see the reds as only toothless farmers from up north..

Ask how much the patient paid for the new set of supposedly "tungsten steel teeth", which haven't been put to the test yet...

the bill might be very steep, as it is a wide known fact that for a couple of Baht one can buy ANY service in this country!

If Katthiya is "innocent" why does he need such heavyweights - it's blown out of proportion as usual, but bares the soignature of someone who is getting more desperate by the day and keeps making it worse!

The Nation is simply back to the "good old golden days" of the Thaksin Era when each and everyone who even dared... was sued and counter sued and sued, and sued till the end of his "breath"...

It doesn't matter if the judges would rule in his complete favor... it still would be wrong, next would be Amnesty for all (his supporters), next, amendment of the constitution at his will...next, next, next, next... he wont stop!

Edited February 2, 2010 by Samuian

[Netfan]

Am I being ganged up on

Somchai became PM because he was the leader of the elected party, people generally vote for a candidate knowing that if his party wins then the leader will be PM, just like Brown is the current UK PM, he was leader of the party when the PM stood down. The public can decide if they want him at the next election, do they want the labour party.

I hate to be pedantic, but:

- Somchai became PM because the party he was leader of had enough support from other parties to form a coalition government

- when people voted for the party, Samak was leader - they had no way of knowing Somchai would succeed Samak

- Brown is the current leader of a party which has a majority in its own right in the UK parliament. Neither Samak nor Somchai had that, so apples and oranges.

so they had enough seats to form a coalition government therefore they were the elected party, they were the largest seat holders with the ability to join with smaller parties to form a coalition, but the point is it was votes that made them the majority holders.

When people voted for labour Blair was the leader and they had no way of knowing Brown would become party leader so I really don't see your point here.

Look - they DID NOT HAVE A MAJORITY of seats- what's so f'ing hard to understand about that? The Dems saw an opportunity and formed a coalition with Thaksin's former allies. They abandoned him - this right after Mrs. T gave them a pep talk. Thakisn couldn't hold his coalition together. He lost. You keep going on about an "elected party". They are all elected parties. It's called parliamentary democracy.

[Artisi]

Look - they DID NOT HAVE A MAJORITY of seats- what's so f'ing hard to understand about that? The Dems saw an opportunity and formed a coalition with Thaksin's former allies. They abandoned him - this right after Mrs. T gave them a pep talk. Thakisn couldn't hold his coalition together. He lost. You keep going on about an "elected party". They are all elected parties. It's called parliamentary democracy.

The problem is some people are so blinded they are a lost cause - why,because they can't,

1) see the truth.

2) don't want to see / know.

3) too stupid to listen you to anything other than their own small minded belief.

Give up trying to rectify their thinking because at the end of the day it doesn't make any difference to the facts.

Edited February 2, 2010 by Artisi

[ivowatson]

Look - they DID NOT HAVE A MAJORITY of seats- what's so f'ing hard to understand about that? The Dems saw an opportunity and formed a coalition with Thaksin's former allies. They abandoned him - this right after Mrs. T gave them a pep talk. Thakisn couldn't hold his coalition together. He lost. You keep going on about an "elected party". They are all elected parties. It's called parliamentary democracy.

The problem is some people are so blinded they are a lost cause - why,because they can't,

1) see the truth.

2) don't want to see / know.

3) too stupid to listen you to anything other than their own small minded belief.

Give up trying to rectify their thinking because at the end of the day it doesn't make any difference to the facts.

Absolutely true. They won't listen and still go on claiming Abbhisit formed an 'illegal' government. I mean, how stupid can you be. In fact it's beyond stupidness. It's the Thaksin way. Just keep repeating and even it's completely wrong and stupid, some will believe it.

So I plead, don't give up rectifying. Continue to expose them.

[animatic]

People led to believe all but their leaders are lying to them never believe outsiders.

Cult mentality 100%